the second part. >> guest: yes okay. >> after words and several other c-span programs are available for download as podcasts. more with eduardo galeano and john dinges in a moment to. >> this summer booktv is asking what are you reading? >> i'm marsha blackburn and rep. to the seventh congressional district. this summer i am going to really do a lot of reading and i am looking for a two reading liberty and tyranny, or tear in the end of liberty. i think that that sounds like it and fantastic one.

what i also want to read it is one second after which is about the electromagnetic pulse and that is something being on energy and commerce and protecting the grids, something that is important to us. the accidental guerrilla is also one of that is on the list that i plan to read this summer. so that is one a book each month and i'll probably and some others to that as i go through the year. >> if you want to see more program information and other bidding less go to our website at booktv.org. >> after words with eduardo galeano and john dinges continues. >> host: i'm john dinges and i am talking with eduardo galeano and we are talking about his

book "mirrors". he is particularly important in on america because he has captured a long history of repression and exploitation, immigration and and conquests and done this in a number of books and that wasn't enough just to talk about america. he is now taking on the history of the world with this new book "mirrors". and i want to as we've broke we were talking about your way of putting these stories together. one of the people that i guess it was an interview that i read in which you were talking about your way of writing and you use the word -- feeling thinking.

>> guest: is a language, feeling thinking language they're expressing the mind and the heart. >> host: so how do you collect your stories so that you actually have those been gnats of 30 or 40 lines? >> guest: well, trying to unite the is is to the worst part of the mind and heart. and the horrors and the marble so why because i would be just a writer and a riding in about repression and death and the terrible light of some many people who are living on this planet like living in hell, then that i would be taking a reality

because it includes another side and fortunate enough. each day we have evidence is that reality is not only the dark side we may look at and there is also shadow. >> host: what are your sources? >> guest: reality like for instance i recently arrived. the states. when i was coming the day before and i was walking as usual, i am a walker, and my companion, my comment, my friend -- my dog, morgan -- u.s. supposed to be a dog and died. so it was very sad. and this was the dark side of

reality. but five days before arriving here i was feeling that everything was terrible. i crossed a little girl that was coming perhaps two years old and she was alone walking and jumping and enjoying life while i was walking with all my sadness, morning morgan appear in and then i realized that she was stopping and then walking again and stopping and she stopped each time to as a hearing bird singing in the

trees. and then i looked at her with more attention. issue a stop here at the birds and so when she applauded the birds my a dinner party is still alive and still able to celebrate life. in i it woke up and the same happened with the sources of mirrors and all the other books i have written like open dana and other books. and if you allow me i will read just one text to tell you clearly, one of these 600

stories is to live. it is called the origin of duty. first i read the story and later i tell you how it was. there they all painted on the walls and ceilings, horses, eagles, men and women, these figures are ageless. they were born thousands upon thousands of years ago, but they are born and do every time someone looks at them. in how could our ancestors of long ago, how could a bird to fought wildly east with his bare hands create images so filled

with praise. how did he manage to draw those flying lines that to break free of the stone and take to the earth? how could he or was a she wore was a sheet? well, this question that was it she came from a conversation that i have in the museum of popular art in santa play. with the sioux lerner and john brunner, we were the three visiting the museum at the and we were talking about so-called a prehistoric art and this question arose. why not, perhaps it were a

woman, perhaps that is a known artist that was a woman. in and that is why i thought this is a good story that it deserves to be written. and later on i went on writing, writing a story 10, 12, 15 times the same story and cutting and cutting. the moment in which i think i feel that the words in their exist. or they try to be better than silence. >> host: the story affected me a lot because i have always been fascinated by the cave paintings and to me what struck me most that made me think was, of course, the beauty, but i was thinking of the intellectual capacity because of and we think

piven is a man as primitive as in his brain were not as good as our brain, that he wasn't as smart as we are and i was thinking approximately 40,000 years ago, right, then these people were doing these works of art to with the brilliant powers of creativity. there privily -- they're probably no different than any powers of creativity that we have today. >> guest: but perhaps they were women. >> host: of course. >> guest: and this is not a possibility open in any of the books about prehistoric art that i have read and i have read a lot of books. they are always thinking of these artists, they were artists, indeed, as men but perhaps they were women. >> host: i wanted to know that your book "mirrors" is probably one of the most, i will use the word feminist books i have ever

read. the overwhelming number of portraits of women are favorable and admiring, adoring. men come in for much more criticism in your book. >> guest: yes perhaps but we are half of humanity, we are not all of humanity, just half of it so it is time to recover some of the important women. >> host: maybe 40,000 years ago before it was written down and before the men rode down in history, women had that kind of equality and were trying the cave drawings. >> guest: y not? of the book tries to recover, to create this recovery of of the memory of the spies, the invisible, the scorn. for instance, blacks, not only women but blacks.

for me is very important that the fact the united states and black or half black president. very important. in means there and lot of stories about to blacks not only in the united states, even in a one of the first stories here began asking if adam-and-eve for blacks because all the experts: the impact that we all came from africa. in we are all african immigrants because the human beings began in africa so perhaps adam-and-eve were blacks. in. >> host: most likely. >> guest: and there are some stories that were for me very relevant. especially because they happen 15 minutes ago. obama is now the president and these are stories that are very recent. for instance in 1942 the

transitions of black blood when the united states was entering the second world war. and at that time the director of of the red cross was a very impressed scientists we had not invented but almost invented because they see him it was possible to say it millions of lives in the second world war. and so he was the director of this part of the red cross and he said i will not obey the stupak order because black blood

does not exist. there is not such a thing like a black blood and he was, of course, resigned. he resigned, but he was expelled. use a scientist and a very important and he was black. he was black himself so he knew perfectly well what he was speaking about and this is a story not very known in u.s. but is important. >> host: in the punch line of your story because the story is in "mirrors", there is no such thing as black blood, all blood is red appear in a which is total common sense and, of course, led to his being dismast. one of the things that is remarkable about the way you tell the story is is that they have the structure very often a

joke and there is a lot of humor so i picked out one particular, a couple examples where i thank you developed in this. one ise in, he stared down the owners who were trying to collude, and he got -- he nabbed them. he got $280 million back from them and said you guys cannot get together, as many businesses do, wink, wink, nod, nod, and say, we're not going to pay this kind of money. had he failed at that, the players -- first of all, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he d. secondly, the players would be nowhere near as rich. that was a huge moment. because remember, the owners are going, collusion, what collusion? we just don't want to hire that guy for that kind of money. and without a salary cap, that was the only way that they could keep a lid on it. and he succeeded in not only stripping that away, but keeping the salary cap out of this sport, and that's why baseball players not only are as rich as they are, but are still getting dab many are

getting paid when they're not playing years after the fact. >> and the salary cap may be just around the corner, so timing -- >> but not for fehr. >> bad timing with the steroids, probably good timing with the salary cap. up next -- a funny thing happened as manny ramirez was finishing his 50-game ban. he showed up in a minor league uniform.

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>> manny ramirez will return to the lienup for the dodgers this friday. after a brief layover in albuquerque. fans turned out in record numbers and sold out all the manny dreadlock wigs at $25, literally, a head. bryan, do you think manny will be receiving a hero's welcome when he visits the rest of the country? >> look, this is going to be one of those situations where we always follow the ultimate fan rule. we don't care if you're an idiot, we don't care if you're a cheater, just as long as you're our cheater. he will end up getting the hero's welcome in los angeles, and he will be ridiculed wherever he goes. it will be different, though, it won't be as mean-spirited with him as it was with -- except maybe in boston -- it won't be as mean-spirited, because manny still is this cartoon character, lovable guy that people don't know where weather -- you don't hate manny.

you just go, why did you do that? >> we'll get him in the world series, don't you worry. no, you're absolutely right. he'll be welcomed tremendously in l.a. by the way, it's fruitless for people around the country to boo manny, because he'll be oblivious. that's manny. it's an astonishing circumstance that he is allowed to do this, that the agreement allows someone under suspension for 50 games to start this "rehab" assignment prior to the expiration of the suspension. what kind of common sense is that? what kind of suspension is that? it should start after. the clock should start running when the 50 games are over. in our did you to albuquerque on friday for as long as it takes. you take your batting practice against the high school team or lasorda or koufax or whoever they want to trot out there now . but the idea that he can prepare to come back is outrageous! >> well, it's being presented now to the casual fan as like he's coming back from an injury. like he's going down to rehab assignment in the minor leagues, coming back from an

injury, and that's, again, donald fehr, the brilliance of how they negotiate this had thing to make it look like it's not a crime at all. the new way of handling steroids -- we talked about it a lot on this program, but i am more and more convinced that around real america, you know, not people sitting in front of the can have cameras, they just don't care anymore. i mean, it's just been wiped out. and it's been slowly wiped out by these kinds of things that just makes it look like it's not that serious a deal. and the new word -- you use an s.a.t. word, obfuscate, ok? make it blurry. alex rodriguez, well, yeah, he took steroids, but it wasn't that years ago. obfuscate. manny ramirez, yeah, he did, but wasn't it a women's hormone? just kind of blur the facts about it. i think you were referring to barry bonds in terms of him not getting that same kind of reception. the reason that barry bonds got it because we knew all that details, clear, cream, injections, the rear end, all the rest, the muscles and everything. so the more you make this kind of vague, the less serious people seem to take it. if you're in the minor league

swinging as if you're coming back from a groin pull, people forget it was actually serious. >> and this is why it is important, because all the sudden we have moved away from pointing the finger at bud selig and now we're saying, it's all donald fehr. no, no, no, no, no. up don't get off that easy, bud selig, because you got beaten like a drum at the negotiating table on all these issues, and the thing that frightens me is that i don't really think you realize you were getting beaten by a drum. you kind of pecked up want paper one morning and went, whoa, look at that, manny -- you can still vote for manny in the all-star game? the guy is on a 50-game suspension, and over a million people are voting for him. he's lucky that manny's not going to be one of the top three, because if that did happen, he would do -- you get the same look we got when they ran out of players at the last all-star game. >> by the way, if manny thinks this is all about him, by the way, he says in the response to him coming back, "they love me wherever i go in america." when we return -- our "parting

shots" will take a look at one of the biggest upsets in sports, not quite the miracle on ice, but something

[captioning made possible by espn, inc.] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> time for our "parting shots." bob leads off. >> a quarter century ago, the portland trail blazers made the granddaddy of all draft mistakes, picking second in the 1984 draft, they made the selection of star-crossed kentucky center sam bowie, whose legs remain a fossil. thus the chicago bulls lucked into a guy named jordan. now, that should have covered the trail blazers in the "oops" department for the next two centuries. two years ago, picking first, they selected ohio state center greg oden. thus did the seattle

supersonics, now the oklahoma city thunder, fall into kevin durant, an extremely scorer. is history repeating itself? oden missed all of the 2007-2008 season and was only able to play 61 games last year, degree which he averaged six points and five rebounds. we can't say he'll fail, but he doesn't z appear to be very fragile. and let's not forget the great tease that bill walton turned out for the city of portland. well, at least they got their only championship out of him before he left town. bowie was a nice guy, and oden is off the charts friendly and accessible. he's everything you want off the court. keeping him on the court will be the ongoing problem. >> my admiration for jim brown is both an athletic icon, and more importantly, a catalyst for change, second to none. but i really wish he would stop brow-beating michael jordan and tiger woods. brown wants them to be just like him, but that's not who they are. but that doesn't mean all they're doing is sitting around counting their money.

tiger's foundation does more than simply teach urban kids how to golf. among many things, it funds grants for urban educational programs. and as for jordan, as a front-office executive, he has hired black coaches, promoted black g.m.'s and scouts, and as a businessman, he's accumulated the sort of wealth that now puts him in that rarest position of all -- an opportunity to buy a major stake in the nba's charlotte bobcats. and on a personal note, m.j., the athlete, was rather selective with who he gave exclusive media access. it was ahmad rashad, mike wilbon, and occasionally even me, and that was no accident. i love you, jim, and i just wish you would be so proud that you protested so that michael and tiger wouldn't have to. >> did you ever know a guy who seemed destined to live and die as a high school football coach? ed thomas was, by all reports, that guy. 37 years in high school ball, a stadium in a small iowa school named for him, a former players

who speak lovingly of what he taught him. thomas one state titles and even put four players into the nfl. all from a school with an enrollment of around 250. last year when a tornado wiped out much of his town, including his house, there was ed thomas leading efforts to rebuild the football field in time for the season. despite his gift, thomas was never interested in the next level. some guy, like i say, are just meant to live and die as high school coaches. but not the way thomas died last week. shot by a former player in the weight room in front of several current players. who knows the killer's motivation? maybe time will tell. but the shock to the town of parkersburg, iowa, is immeasurable, almost as immeasurable as how much ed thomas meant to it. >> the united states' upset of top-ranked spain in the fifa confederations cup semifinal might seem just a pleasant surprise at first. after all, spain hadn't lost in three years. but in reality, the u.s. has

already done something no other american men's soccer team has ever done -- reached the finals of a fifa-sanctioned event. today on espn, they can upset mighty brazil to win the gold. now, i'm not about to compare this to the 1980 u.s. hockey team, but we're talking a major upset in the making. brazil is in its fourth confederations final and looking for a record third title. last week i spoke with espn's soccer analyst and former national team member, alexi lalas, about the team's world cup chances, kind of shrugged his shoulders as if to say, hit or miss. he added, "it depends who they play." now, that restriction doesn't seem to apply. it's amazing how a great story in sports can make us forget we might not be a huge fan. i'll be watching this afternoon. please join us again next sunday for another edition of "the sports reporters." we're on each sunday morning at 9:30 a.m. eastern time right here on espn. and on sirius satellite radio, channel 121 at 9:30.