of the job profile on it is horrible. you have a lot of jobs to build it and afterwards a few people twiddling obs. it's a lot more jobs, installing solar panels and that kind of thing. the other thing you've got to be concerned about is fantasy fuels', like clean coal. have you guys heard about this? corrine coal? yeah, somebody said evin barack

obama. saying this stuff about clean coal. [laughter] even he makes mistakes? [laughter] wait until next week for that. we've got to deal with that don't we? because there is no such thing as clean coal. clean coal represents a tremendous breakthrough in the marketing of coal. [laughter] wait just doesn't -- personal breakthrough in the burning of coal. you know, that's the problem with clean coal. i actually told the campaign if we are going to stick with the screen coal stuff i have another suggestion. we could fix every energy problem with kleine coal, or we could have unicorns pull our cars. [laughter] or we could light our homes with

the light from little little fe. equally fictitious and falls it just doesn't poll else will. but there is no clean coal. they said, you know, actually i investigate this stuff and not just online. [laughter] people come up to me all the time i found something on line. i say no, no, please. it always has something to do with 9/11. it may be right that just don't tell me you got it on line. so i investigate this stuff and they say don't worry. we have geological sequestration. i was like woo! [laughter] don't do that. what is that? [laughter] so i had to do a lot of research to figure up what is this a geological sequestration.

sounds painful. [laughter] but it turns out that it is a technical term for big holes in the ground. [laughter] i don't know why you didn't say that in the first place. dig holes in the ground! and we have to tackle the carbon format or coal through cal fire power plants and shove it into holes in the ground. a geological sequestration and somebody's going to sit on that whole and hope it doesn't come back out. if it does it will cook the planet. [laughter] you've got to sit there, you know, for several million years if it comes out you're in trouble. so i said this seems to be not the best idea. and then it turns out you read the fine print on these things, it turns out there's not that many big holes in the ground. oh. turns out there's not that many bicol's, with the geological formations necessary to store that much carbon underground

doesn't exist. nowhere in india which is mostly volcanic rock which means 1.2, 1.3 billion people who were building coal-fired power plants have no place to store it, so minimally we've got to have another solution. then i got excited -- i will give you -- i got excited about the other way to deal with queen coal and get the carbon. they have these algae, little pact minn algae that are going to keep the carbon and i was like a library negative first we didn't have a plausible solution. [laughter] but now we have the pac man algae solution and i said this is great. how does that work? he said it's very easy. all you need are several acres and acres of open land i'm liking each royte? where are we supposed to get this? don't be too pessimistic.

all you need is multiple acres of open land, megatons of water, and then the temperature has to stay within five or 6 degrees and then the algae are happy to eat the carbon. what if it gets cold? they die. [laughter] what it gets hot? then they bloom and die. [laughter] i said so where does this clean coal solution work? on my chalkboard. i said this is not going to work! [laughter] there is no clean coal and no unicorns. [laughter] now we are going to have to find. we are calling to have to educate the american people. let me tell you something. we have a country that is why it awake now. and paying attention. the are being bombarded with the nonsense. they don't believe in unicorns but the the arnóbio and bombarding the there is coal on

boarding them. this is what we'd seen in this country. look at the learning curve. nobody believes in corn-based test at all anymore. a year and a half ago that was of replace solution. everybody knows that's a boondoggle now. corn is filled, of fuel. in a world full of people hungry let's not burn food. there's going to be stranded assets, it's going to be a fight but people understand the trust this process that we are in. we are a part of a pro-democracy movement. we are part of a emerging green growth consensus. there's going to be greenwashing and hucksters and lies and we will push back. we will learn together and we will come to the right answer. yes? >> there is one other method to sequester carbon and it's in the bottom of the ocean. it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? i can't say this as comedic way as you, but the people are not considering geological sequestration at all anymore. they think it's ridiculous --

[inaudible] but then the bottom of the ocean they are just trying to sort of these people and green peas about harming habitats on the bottom of the sea since it becomes more acidic if you try to put it there and since it is such high pressure that it's going to stay down there for long enough that takes about 1,000 years for it to come back up. but by then we hope that we will have transitioned to lower emissions scenario. but because of harming the habitats for now, people are still trying to research it more to please everyone. >> that's good. he's pointing out that there are -- there is going to be a huge expenditure on this side. people are quick to spend a whole lot of money trying to figure out how to do clean coal. i think coal fits into our energy portfolio in the following week. it fits in the ground where it

is right now. i think we should leave it there and i think we should use our technology to find a better way. having said that, on an all over science. all for research and people trying to figure this thing now. i think that the bottom of the ocean floor solution is also going to prove to be a very, very difficult to sort out. you've got to have coal-fired power plants in the middle of the country and have a long tunnel or tube to try to get -- any way we can talk about this a long time. door concerned about big nuclear, big coal and other big forces and you should be concerned. but until now it has been you by yourself, right? against all these people. and now you are a part of a pro-democracy movement. they didn't destroy the forces, the defeated them at the ballot box and i confident we are going to continue to grow. >> people in seattle in the 1980's shutdown five nuclear

power plants, and it was the biggest default on investment that had never happened, but we did it and kept seattle out of it. >> so we have a legacy to build on. let's take two more questions, is that right? i've got to go with my friend right here. >> thank you. >> and then we will get you. you will be the last question. i'm pointing at you. go ahead. >> i want to know where you say about t. boone pickens plan. [laughter] >> tiemann begins! >> i have trouble trusting him. [laughter] >> why, did you hear what he said? [laughter] she said what do we think that t. boone pickens? she's edna have trouble trusting him. [laughter] just i mean, you know, t. boone pickens -- here's the good thing about t. boone pickens. he says we cannot natural and per our way out. t. boone pickens, note revolutionary leftist. [laughter]

right? lightning texas oilman who funded the swift voted tax on john kerry. he says we can't drill and per our way out. he is right on that and then he says to other things. one is right and what is wrong. he's 100% right on the wind potential for this country. and those of you who are concerned about birds and bats, we are not -- we figured out the light speed of oscillation to protect the birds. we haven't figured out regarding backs but there is a smart way to do wind, and so, he is right about that. he is half white and half wrong. he is wrong about natural-gas. i think his judgment might be skewed by the fact that he owns all of it. [laughter] but i don't think that we can afford to try to do a double fault here. he says we should retrofit all of our engines and everything to run on the natural gas and then figure out how to the plug and

hybrid spigot i just think that's a lot of capital. we don't have a lot. i would rather try to drive as quickly as we can. i'm a radical one this i will let me to think we need to go as quickly as we can always from liquid fuels. i think we need to be talking about electric cars and plug into a clean energy grid. because that's hard to pull off but if you can pull that off, smart digitized agreed with smart cars and smart homes with appliances that talk to each other and conserve as much energy as they can without yelling at your kids to turn off the lights and that stuff we can't have the fate of the world depending on your third grader to cut out the lights. [laughter] there are these things called chips, you know, and they can actually do a lie detection. tom friedman has written and beautifully about this in hot, flat, and crowded. i think if we have a smart grid with smart cars and smart homes, what we can do is leapfrog the sort of bird a little bit less

dirty stage and go directly to a clean energy revolution and would create more jobs and i think you get a better answer, and you save detroit. so, i tell you what as a fellow southerner i couldn't be more proud of t. boone pickens. it takes a lot of courage for him to stand up to his party the way he has. it takes a lot courage for him to actually rely on facts and not on aetiology in a party that i think sometimes has lost its way with regards to that and i think that he's good for this party and i think he's good for this country i just don't agree on the natural gas. last question. >> okay, so this is an engaged group. i'm sure everyone is already taking their backs to the groceries and recycling and composting. but after listening to you on the retial and reading tom friedman, hot, flat, and crowded i figure we have to do a lot more. so i am a marketer trying to mobilize, trying to figure out a way to mobilize people to get

engaged, to actually go and be more active, to help legislators and at the administration know that we need to make these kind changes that you've been talking about. >> good. >> would you agree that is what all we should be doing, is this all we should be doing is trying to let our legislators know that this is important and that they need to make these major changes to the policy, or do you suggest anything else that we all could do? >> i did not pay her. [laughter] i don't know her i promise. thank you. [laughter] we have to do two things. it's hard enough to get america to do one thing. [laughter] we have to do two things. we have to change our light bulbs and we have to change our laws. the next stage in the development of a green economy means that we are no longer thinking about the grain economy from the point of view of our

individual consumer choices. every individual act, that's important, that remains a pillar. our individual act and choices in the marketplace. but we also have to start thinking collective action in the political will to get to shift the subsidies away from the problem makers to the problem solvers. the problem solvers and the economy still get the bulk of the benefit from the government. the problem makers get the bulk of the benefits. the problem solvers could very little. laws can change that. markets work according to the rule. but i am all for markets that they work according to rule and right now the rules are wacky. if you are -- if you want to do things that are dirty, the polluting and wasteful way, you could be more dependent on the market somebody tried to do the clean and greenway and the rules will favor u.s. for the person trying to do things the right way. we've got to change those rules. you have made great progress

here in your state. you passed a climate solutions and green jobs act, which combines the energy solutions with the social and economic solutions. you were the first in the country to do that. what did you say? >> it's got to be funded. >> i'm sorry actual colleagues it's got to be funded. so it's passed on paper but the budget hasn't come through. i believe $10 million is authorized to go into training people to do these jobs. the other thing i've got to say as i move to the close is that we have had for too long even those of us who understood that it wasn't just about the individual choice is the collective choices in government we often thought if we just got it down on paper the victory would be one. i have this horrible news to report to do. senators don't install solar

panels. legislators don't whether ice buildings. people have to be trained to do that work. we have community colleges, vocational schools, public high schools, tribal colleges, historically black colleges and universities that do not have the appropriate curriculum, the funding to train people to get in the front of the line for these clean and green jobs that are coming. instead they are still training people to stand in the back of the line for the jobs leaving the country any way. and that's something we can fix. that's something we have the opportunity to fix in seattle. we also have a proposal in the city to get your utility company to begin funding home with a recession in a different way and letting people pay that back on the bill so we can put people to work here in seattle that is a live proposal. and so there are plenty of opportunities to move forward. we have great organizations like climate solutions and others

that are trying to make some of these streams a reality at the local level. and i will say in closing i love president-elect barack obama. barack obama is a world-class leader. and he is long overdue. but barack obama did not create your movement. she did not create this movement. this pro-democracy movement with roots going back to the age of nuclear struggles, with roots going back to the struggles here in seattle against the wto say in ten years ago going this way was going to be that for the country and bad for the world, going back to 1911 and fighting for peace when the country was being pushed towards the war. going back to the pain of katrina and standing up for the right of people, this pro-democracy movement has been growing and building and developing and it got to the point that barack obama was able

to see that there was something the posters were missing. the conditions were missing. they were missing you. and he stepped forward. but barack obama did not create this movement. this movement created the opportunity for barack obama. and the best thing that we can do is to keep on moving. keep on fighting. nexium o more green, more inclusive, a better begin than it is right now for the right way forward. and if we do that work, of light and well, we will not only be inspired by barack obama, we will inspire the best in him to deliver on the great promises. thank you, seattle, very much. [applause]

our special presentation of book tv continues "after words" featuring joe scarborough, host of msnbc morning show on his thoughts of the bush administration in his book, "the last best hope: restoring conservatism and america's promise." this is an hour. >> host: >> coming up next book tv presents "after words" an hour-long interview program where we invite a guest host to interview the author of the book. this book from expo america joe

scarborough on his book, "the last best hope: restoring conservatism and america's promise." the former republican congressman and current host of msnbc's morning show, presents his thoughts on the bush administration, the current state of the republican party and the obama presidency. joe scarborough discusses his book with peggy noonan called columnist for the "wall street journal." >> host: joe scarborough, anchor of the morning cable news show "morning joe" on msnbc with you cohost. you are a former congressman. you represented florida's first district. >> guest: first district. >> host: in the house from 1995 to 2001. you were elected in 1994, and member of that famous class that one republican control of the house for the first time. and i think in two generations. >> guest: it was a very long

time. >> host: 40, 50 years. before that you were a practicing attorney and i think a schoolteacher former host of scarborough country. you have a radio show monday through friday, 10:00 to noon on i think w. adc in new york. you have a new book called "the last best hope" published by crown books. i think it's your second book. >> guest: it is. >> host: all right, joe, how do you anchor a cable news show from seven to nine, retial show from ten to noon. the pratt they require, make appearances, help charities, see your family, be a friend and white ebook? [laughter] how do you do that? do you get up at 3 a.m.? >> guest: actually i tell everybody i get up at 3 a.m. but since my executive producer is listening, he knows that one day last week he called me and woke me up at 5:45 a.m..

>> host: to go on the air -- >> guest: at six. and his exact words were are you coming in today? and i said yeah, what time is it? he goes it's 5:45. i say i think i will be there. so i jumped and ran and got there. i got there on time actually. that's the great thing about new york at 5:50 in the morning. you can get anywhere in five minutes. but calling you know -- >> host: so you can get in quickly. >> guest: the great thing is with blackberrys i'm reading it all day. >> host: you're reading it in the car on the way there. >> guest: for instance, if you say something somewhere -- there's a great peggy noonan quote mechem, chris, myself, barnacle, we will all have e-mail without to each other five minutes after it goes on the wires. and the reason why is it's not work. it's just we love it.

>> host: so the nature of prep for a show has changed. you're not doing two hours of pratt, you're doing prep 24 hours a day with blackberrys, twitter -- >> guest: whenever we call it. and also, i will wake up in the middle of the night and this might seem hartel to some people, but if you love this stuff it's exciting. and i will roll over, pick up the blackberry and seat is anything happening? one of the people that came in at midnight, what are they digging around on? i will look for two minutes, put it down and go back to sleep but when i wake up i'm still -- it's just all sort of brewing. "morning joe" is borrowing 24 hours a day, so we are ready to go when it's the top of the show. >> host: let's start with facts and to your life. where were you born, educated and raised? >> guest: i was born in atlanta, georgia. actually, a suburb of ballan

tuck, dorval, which now is in the middle of the city but back then was on the outskirts. my dad worked for lockheed martin. we thought perfectly normal for people to have paintings of c5a in their living room. we would go to sunday school with tie tacks and it was either missiles, planes for apollo rocket ships. seriously. i need to ask my dad what he was thinking. >> host: some private schools or prep school? why were you wearing a tie? >> guest: know, when we go to church, sunday school on sundays. but it really was the wonder years. it was middle america. it was the suburbs. we lived around. we lived in meridian when he got transferred from lockheed to mississippi. then we move to upstate new york for five or six years. also loved upstate new york and then we settled down in florida, pensacola florida where my mom

side of the family was from. went to public schools for most of my -- most of my schooling. one of my best experiences was 1969, being the first class of an integrated school. my parents didn't send us to private schools. we're a lot of the white flight had gone. of course 69 was the first year that mississippi schools were integrated but it was a great experience. because my mom said she didn't want me to go to kindergarten. she kept me up, so my first grade it was 50% white, 50% black and a public school that had been the african-american school the year before so it was a great experience. i finally went to private school and high school, pensacola have catholic high school. i loved the nuns and they loved

me back. they let me get away with things others wouldn't get away with. it was a great experience to it and then identity and ever city of alabama undergrad. and then university of florida law school. >> host: all right. phil bredesen, and exceed of producer i think the executive producer at msnbc, once told me that you came to him after you left congress, and you said to him of television news get me in the game. he said you were like a hockey player. you wanted to get on the ice. get me in the game. i don't know why i always remembered that, but i do. why did he want to get into the game, and what is the game? >> guest: i wanted -- i had seen what happened with fox news, which i fought really was something that some executives should have figured out 20 years ago if half the country's conservative and have the country's liberal than you should have a network that conservatives can turn on

without screening every three minutes they're biased, they're biased. so i had a lot of people after i got all of congress are you going to fox? and that didn't make sense. i wanted to go to msnbc and balance it out, and as you know working at msnbc through figures there are a lot of frustrations. but it really is my view of msnbc and broadcasting as the same view i have for politics, where i want to expand it out. i don't like going against the grain if everybody is left of center. there should be somebody right of center explanting the view. and the thing i figured out at msnbc is the fact that you can sit in a room of people who all went to the same colleges, not just msnbc, all the networks, all the networks. everybody went to the same colleges, they had the same world views, their kids went to the same private schools, they all voted for the same

candidate. and they would sit there and talk, and you're sitting in the back just looking at discovering my god and then somebody would say something so over the top you just start laughing. what i noticed is it only took one person in the room laughing for everybody else to actively stop and look and say what are we missing? and when i noticed that msnbc, forget the prime time. i mean, they are focused just like fox is focus on their own work and i understand that. that there are opinion page but what i found through the rest of today is people are genuinely -- these people want to be fair. they want to approach news fairly. same thing with msnbc news. so it's been exciting being a part of the process. >> host: and bringing your own perspective you think? >> guest: bringing not only my own perspective but in a lot of cases the perspective of a vast chunk of america whose perspective sometimes don't get into the newsrooms in manhattan. and getting actively getting

e-mails from news executives during the past campaign saying hey, i1 you to know that news story that ran last night, without me planning about it, we think it was biased, too, and we are constantly working to get more -- i hear that actually from all network executives and a lot of, a lot of newspapers, too. so it's nice being a strange man in a strange land. ..