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how could he-- or was it chique? or was it she? well, this was-- came from a conversation i had in santa fe at the museum, and marvelous museum of popular art they had their, with the three visiting at the museum, and at the end we were talking about the so-called story cart. this question a rose. why? why not? perhaps they were winning. perhaps that is a known. the artist were women, and that is why i thought, this is a good story that deserves to be written. later on i went on writing the

story, redington, 12, 15 times, the same story and cutting and cutting until the moment in which i think i feel, i feel, think that. they tried to be better than silence. >> host: debt story affected me a lot, because i have always been fascinated by the cave paintings and to me, what struck me the most that made me think was of course the beauty, but i was thinking of the intellectual capacity because often we think of primitive man as primitive, as if his brain were not as good as our brain, that he was not as smart as we are, and i was thinking approximately 40,000 years ago that these people were doing these works of art with

the brilliant powers of creativity that are really probably no different than any powers of creativity that we have today. >> guest: perhaps they were women. >> host: of course. >> guest: this is not a possibility in any of the book about prehistoric art that i have read and i have read a lot of books. they are always thinking of this, ardis, they were artists indeed, men, but perhaps they were women. >> host: i wanted to note that your book "mirrors" is probably one of the most, i will use the word feminist books i have ever read. the overwhelming number of portraits of women are favorable, admiring, adoring. men in come in for much more criticism in your book. >> guest: perhaps, but we are

half of humanity. we are not all of humanity, just half of it so it is time to recover so many important-- >> host: maybe 40,000 years ago before it was written down, that for the men rode down the history, women had that kind of equality and were drawing. >> guest: it is perfectly possible. the book tries to recall or to rediscover the memory of the despised, the in visceral, this thorned. for instance not only women, blacks. the united states now have a black, or have black president, very poor in. in the book there are a lot of stories about blacks, not only in the united states, but even

in one of the first stories here, i began asking if-- where blacks because all of the experts conspiring on the fact that we all came from africa. we are all african immigrants come up because the human being began existing there in africa, so perhaps they were blacks. and, i tell in the book some stories that were for me really relevant, especially because they happened just ten minutes ago. obama is not the president and the stories are very recent. for instance, in 1942, the-- prohibited the transfusions of black blood. when the united states was entering in the second world war, and at that time, the

director of the red cross in this area of blood transfusions was a very important scientists, who had not invented the plasma, but almost invented it, because thanks to him it was possible to save millis of lives in the second world war. and so, it was a director of this part of the red cross, and he said, i will not obey these stupid orders because black blood does not exist. there is no such thing like a blood black. and, he was of course resigned. he resigned, but he was

expelled. he was a scientist, very important and he was black. he was like himself, so he knew perfectly well what he was speaking about. and, this is a story not very known here in the united states, but it is important. >> host: and the punchline of your story becse the story is in "mirrors," that there is no such thing as black blood. all blood is red. , which is total common sense and of course led to his being dismissed. one of the things that is remarkable about the way you tell these stories is that they have the structure very often of a joe, anthere's a lot of humor. so, i picked out when paicular, a couple of examples where think you developed this. one isco. >> guest: the greek god.

>> host: maybe you could read that one for us. >> guest: she was not exactly a goddess, but a nymph, but partly olymp. in earlier times, the name addco nuha to speak. and she spoke with such grace that her words seemed always knew, never before spoken by any mouth. but, the goddess, iraq, accosted heduring one of her frequent spells of jealousy. and echo suffered the worst of all punishment. she was deprived of her own voice. ever since, unable to speak, she

can only repeat. that curse is-- >> host: so, that is one of the many examples. i wanted to be just one, a quote that you pulled out from i don't know where, about st. joseph and contraception. and, just let me read it. >> guest: from spain. it is an old spanish bess. >> host: here is how it goes. this is about contraception. sane joseph, you who had without doing make it so that i'd do without having. >> guest: in the spanish, san jose--

[speaking in native tongue] that is it, that is it. >> host: the irony of the joke is great. >> guest: how is it in english? >> guest: sing joseph, you go ahead without doing, make it so that i do without having. your translator is wonderful, mark freed, is a absolutely, he cannot tell thiss a translation, and i did not have a spanish copy of the book so i could make any of these comparisons, but i ameally impressed with the quality of the translations. >> guest: and the other passagthat i had before mark, we had-- >> host: he translated this, right?

>> gst: open veins and "the book of embraces." we had a very special relationship, very, very special. seek, he had such a close connection with me that, when he was translang, think hkept the three volumes, and he died during the translation of "the book of eraces." and, when he was writing to one the 1,000 stories, whiche would not wri, and i wld n say that, i vouldot say that. i disagreeith this. it was his right of course. sent me terrible letters, insulting me. how could you say something so falsand stupid, such a lie?

for instance about charlie chaplin, whom he hed. he was working in hollywood for 40 yea, how many years? this was the proof, the evidence at we were becoming the same person. because oerwi, he would allow me thave my own thoughts, ideas, the opinions, but no we were the same person. >> host: >> guest: when he died, a part of me died also. >> host: well, mark freed has done well by you >> guest: we are becoming some sort of the same person. when we work together on this very, very goodook. >> host: i wanted to talk about a couple of fnt that you developed, revolution and ideology and then i want to talk

little bit abouteligion. but, let start with ideology. you said in an interview that i read, i am strongly influenced by marxism and i love this, perhaps the belong to the supetitious wing of the marxist movement to the magic wing. wifi said problems with the dogmatic parrot's hari pete ideas instead of creating them. aside from marx himself, i don't want toet into the discussion of the works of marx, but who are the marxes that actually have had influence that you see as your guiding light? >> guest: no, i read marx himself, so i am one of the strange people who read it. one i was very young, i read the

bible also, too long books, too long books, and in italian that-- it was not possible to imagine such a thing. i was 18, 19 years old in a group standing, and we were doing that. this marked me forever, like the bible also. these are my two fingerprints, and perhaps i am a mixing of both, and all kinds of experiences i have had in different places, who convince me that i am a pagan-- eight pagan? i am a pagan. i am religious bud i am religious because i believe in the sun and the brain and the moon and the courses of nature.

most of the histories of history , they don't have a happy end. they have a quite unhappy end. they are destroyed or betrayed or, but history herself does not and, it has no end. when history says goodbye, history is saying, see you late, see you late, see you soon. >> host: so, about 100 pages is devoted to the 20 a century. the bloody revolutionary 20 a century that marked of course, our century mainly. you talk a lot about the latin-american come a good deal about the lack american revolutionaries. you speak very highly and i made

the list, who then in, not stalin, sabato, the great mexican revolutionary and pancho villa, another great rebel look particularly across the united states. fidel castro. >> guest: the invasion lasted three days i think. he did not know exactly what he was doing. that is why the secretary of war was called here, the secretary of defense. [inaudible] >> host: and the others, sandeno selva dor, a person that also marked my career a great deal. i don't know if i have let anybody else but these are the

great revolutionaries that you write about in at least several places in "mirrors." >> guest: the main one was a woman. instead of speaking about-- >> host: you quote her. >> guest: it is the longest quotation in the book, because this is a book about quotations. this was an exception, because i owed the certitude that another world is possible, and she was the profit. we don't need to read this petition that mainly she was the profit of the great tragedy of the 20th-century, because the great tragedy of the 20th-century was the divorce

between justice and freedom. half of the world sacrificed justice in the name of freedom, and the other half of the world sacrificed freedom in the name of justice. and rosa wanted a socialist revolution. >> host: and so it is called democratic socialism? >> guest: yes, but not in the way some people speak about democratic socialism as making up of capitalism-- >> host: wit make up. when i asked you that question, of which marxist you admired, i had in mind rosa, because that is the person that you quote and i have my place markers here.

my question was to the latin americans, looking now back at that era of revolution in latin america, which is pretty much over, at least in our generation, what do you think we came out of it with? >> guest: with the certitude, i told you before, that history does not and. when history says goodbye, it is saying see you tomorrow, so and let america, now growing new forces coming energies better changing reality, so in bolivia, in venezuela, in ecuador, a plain common sense, a common sense. for instance, the president says we are not going to pay-- foreign debt and lessig is

approved that the foreign debt is real, because most of the foreign debt has imprison their latin american countries. they never existed, or they are the result of the generosity of the international institutions like the international world bank and so on, and the great big bankers. they were so generous with their military dictatorships to finance repression, and the question coming from them is, why should people pay for the stick that bit him or her, and why should people finance the corruption of the politicians who fled away with the money,

saving swiss banks? we are going to pay, but to pay a real debt, not the other ones, and he was attacked, saying this is a scandal. he is mad. what is this? the world is trembling. a catastrophe is going to happen. the cass tester fee did not happen-- >> host: which of the current leaders in latin america do you admire the most, do you think has, is moving in the right direction? >> guest: i don't like speaking about leaders. it is a world that they don't like it all. even the world leadership,

leadership, i like most of obama's speech is, but he talks too much about leadership. we must recall that our leadership-- please, stop speaking about. let's speak about friendship. that is a way of giving birth to a new relationship. friendship instead of leadership, because leadership was the plan you describe in your book. it is spreading military dictatorships all over in the name of democracy, in the name of i don't know what, in the name of leadership. you are right that the northern countries of the world have to take examination to the southern countries and say, are you democratic or not? are you bathing well or not?

like a professor and a pupil. so, these are words i don't like at all. >> host: we are almost ready to wrap up and i wanted to note that in many ways, "mirrors" is a very dark book in many ways. there is a lot of very terrible things told in this book. religion comes in four enormous criticism. europe comes in for terrible criticism. the united states comes in for terrible criticism. let america is in many ways a victim. but i don't, i don't think of it at the pessimistic book and i wanted to ask you as the final statement about your sense of optimism in this history that you say is still unfolding.

>> guest: a source of optimism, is the certitude that history does not and, and also the certitude that we may be contemporaries and compatriots of people born far away from your country, and far away from your time. if you share with them a common love for justice and freedom, like happened with my to-- who were born in the united states and not in latin america, a mark twain and ambrose-- and i remember mark twain was a leader of the anti-imperialists to leak and he proposed to change the stars with the schools when the united states began the imperial

events in the time of president mckinley, who heard the voice of god saying you should stay silent from the danger of-- so they initiated a long career we will know and you know perhaps better than i. >> host: thank you very much, eduardo galeano, the author of "mirrors," stories of almost everyone. it is a wonderful book. it is one that you can't stop breeding, and it has been an honor to talk to you. i have wanted to do this for many years and it has been great that i have been able to do it. and, i am john dinges and i'm speaking with eduardo galeano, and we will end it there and thank you very much. >> guest: thank you. i forgot, absolutely forgot that i was in a tv studio. i was having a nice, talking

conversation with a friend in a cafe. thank you. thank you. >> host: i enjoyed it.

>> now political consultant dick morris, the former adviser to president clinton is the co-author of the book, "catastrophe," which accuses president obama of being too radical and criticizes his policies on the economy, healthcare and national security. mr. morris talked about the bucket the book review bookstore in a long island town of huntington, new york. this is just under an hour. [applause] >> thank you.

you know, my ego is not such that when i encountered this traffic on the way here, i realized it was for the met yankee game. [laughter] but, i am delighted to see everybody here. thank you very much for coming and i apologize for being late. thank you. well, these are very difficult times. i am very happy that you finally found a bank to co-sponsor this that is not owned by obama. [laughter] somehow i don't think aig would sponsor these kinds of the events anymore. we are, this is odd to be smiling but we can't do anything else. this is a very difficult time of course in this country. and, we are not suffering right now, because of the recession that started