had not invented plasma but almost invented it because thanks to him it was possible to save millions of lives. ..

this is a story not very well known here in the united states but it is important. >> host: the punchline of your story, that because the story is in "mirrors," there's no such thing as black blood. all blood is red, which is total common sense and of course led to him being dismissed. one of the things that is remarkable about the way you tell these stories is that they have the structure very often of a joe, and there is a lot of humor. so, i picked out one particular, a couple of examples where it think you developed this. one is eco. >> guest: the greek god. >> host: maybe you could read that one for us. >> guest: she was not exactly a goddess, but they nymph.

in earlier times, the name echo new how to speak. and she spoke with such grace that her words seemed always knew, foley spoke in by any mouth. but, the goddess accosted her during one of her frequent fits of jealousy. and echo suffered the worst of all punishments, she was deprived of. own voice. ever since, unable to speak, she can only repeat. nowadays, that curse is--

>> host: said that is one of the many examples. i wanted to read just one, a quote that you pulled out from i don't know where, about st. joseph and contraception. and, just let me read it. >> guest: from the spanish-- >> host: here is how it goes. this is about contraception. >> joseph, you who've had without doing make it so that i do without having. >> guest: it in the spanish, san jose. [speaking in native tongue]

that is it, that is it. >> host: the irony of the joe, it is just great. st. joseph, st. joseph you who had without doing, making it so that i'd do without having. your translator is wonderful, mark freed, the translator is absolutely cannot tell this is a translation, and i did not have a spanish copy of the book so i could not make any of these comparisons, but i am really impressed with the quality of the translation. >> guest: and the other translator i had before-- >> host: he translated this, right? >> guest: "the book of embraces." we had a very special relationship, very, very special.

he had such a close connection with me that, when he was translating memory of fire, he died during the translation of "the book of embraces." when he arrived to do one of the stories, 1,000 stories, which he would not write to. i would not say that, i would not say that, i disagree with this. it was his right of course. he sent me terrible letters come insulting me. how could you say something so false and stupid, such a lie? for instance about charlie chaplin, whom he hated. he was working in hollywood for 14 years, how many years.

this prove the evidence that they were becoming the same person. because otherwise, he would allow me to have my own thoughts, ideas, the phillies, but no we were the same person. >> host: right. >> guest: so when he died a part of me died also. >> host: well, mark freed is done well by you. >> guest: we are becoming in some way-- were becoming some sort of the same person. we work together in this very, very good. >> host: i wanted to talk about a couple of things that you developed, revolution and ideology and then i want to talk a little bit about religion. but, let's start with ideology. you said in an interview that i read, i am strongly influenced

by marxism and i love this, perhaps that belong to the superstitious wing of the marxist movement to the magic link. wifi said problems with the dogmatic parrot's who repeat ideas instead of creating them. aside from marx himself, i don't want to get into the discussion of the works of marx, but who are the marxists that actually have had influence, that you see as your guiding lights? >> guest: no, i read marx himself, and one of the strange people who read the doss capital. when i was very young, i read the bible also, too long books, too long books.

it was not possible to imagine. i was 18, 19 years old. bismark to me forever, like the bible also. these are my two fingerprints, and perhaps i am a mixing of both and later all kinds of experiences i had in different places, who convince me that fight them a pagan, a pagan? a pagan. i am it taken. i am religious bet i am religious because i believe in the sun, the rain and the moon and the courses of nature. andy in history, because most of the histories of history-- don't have, they don't have a happy

and. they have a quite unhappy end. they are destroyed or betrayed, but history herself has no end. when history says, goodbye, history is saying see you late, see you late, see you soon. >> host: so, what is-- about 100 pages is devoted to the 20 a century. the bloody revolutionary 20 a century that marked of course, that is our century mainly, he talked a lot about the let the american-- a good deal about the latin american revolutionaries. you speak very highly, i made the list, lyndon, not stalin, lyndon, hrsa pot of some of the great mexican revolutionary, punch of the yet, another great

mexican rebel particularly against the united states, fidel castro. >> guest: the invasion lasted three days. he didn't know exactly what he was doing but yes. that is why the secretary of war is the secretary of defense here. >> host: and the others, sandeno salvador, a person meddlesome mertz my career degree deal. tupak's tomorrow. i don't know if i have left anybody out but these are the great revolutionaries then you write about in at least several places in "mirrors." >> guest: the main one was a

woman. instead of speaking about her,-- >> host: you quote her. it is to 77. >> guest: this is a book without quotations, but this was an exception, because i have 02 roza the certitude that another world as possible, and she was the profit. we don't have to read this petition, but mainly she was the profit of the great tragedy of the 20 a century, because the great tragedy of the 20th-century was the divorce between justice and freedom. half of the world sacrificed justice and the name of freedom, and the other half of the world sacrificed freedom in the name

of justice. and rosa wanted as socialist revolution. >> host: so this called democratic socialism. >> guest: yes, guess but not in the way some people think about democratic socialists and making up of capitalism-- >> host: with make up, right? when i asked you that question of which marxist you would admired, i have had in mind roza lit timber because that is the person that you quote and i had my place markers here. my question was coming to the let the americans, looking now back at the era of revolution in

latin america, which is pretty much over, at least in our generation, what you think we came out of it with? >> guest: with the certitude. i told you before that history does not end. when history says goodbye, is saying, see you tomorrow. we are now growing new forces, energies there changing reality, so in bolivia, in venezuela, in ecuador, applying common sense, common sense. for instance, korea, the president when he says we are not-- unless it is proved that the foreign debt is real, but most of the foreign debt that have imprisoned our vet american

countries are false debts that never existed. or, are the result of the generosity of the international financial institutions like the international bank and the world bank and so on and the great big bankers that were so generous with the military dictatorships to finance repression. and the question, coming from common sense, is why should people pay for this that bit him or her? and why should people finance the corruption of the politicians who fled away with the money, save in swiss banks. so, we are going to pay, but to pay our real bets, not the other ones, and he was a tax, saying

this is a scandal. he is met. what is this? the world this trembling. a catastrophe is going to happen. the catastrophe did not happen in-- it happened on wall street. >> host: which of the current leaders in latin america do you admire the most? do you think has the most common is moving in the right direction? >> guest: i don't like speaking about leaders. it is a word that i don't like at all. and even the word leadership, leadership-- i like most of obama's speeches, but he talks too much about leaders. we must recover our leadership.

no, no, the police stopped speaking about leadership. lit speak about friendship. that is the way of giving birth to a new relationship between the two americas, north america and latin america. friendship instead of leadership because leadership was the plan you described in your book come is spreading military dictatorships all over in the name of democracy, and the name of i don't know what, in the name of leadership. the northern countries have a right to take the examination of the other countries and say are you democratic or not? are you behaving well or not? like a professor and a people. so, these are words i don't like

it all. >> we are almost ready to wrap up and i wanted to note that, in many ways, "mirrors" is a very dark book in many ways. there is a lot of very terrible things told in this book. religion comes in four enormous criticism. europe comes in for terrible criticism. the united states comes in for a terrible criticism. latin america is in many ways a victim, but i don't, don't think of it as it pessimistic book, and i wanted to ask you as the final statement about your sense of optimism in this is true that you say is still unfolding. >> guest: a source of optimism is the certitude that history does not and, and also the certitude that we may be

contemporaries and compatriots of people born far away from your country, and far away from your time. if you share with them a common love for justice and freedom, like happened with my two masters, who were born in the united states and not in latin america, mark twain and ambrose peers. i remember mark twain was the leader of the anti-imperialists league and he proposed to change the star spangled banner when the united states began the imperial avent through the time of president mckinley, who heard the voice of god saying, you should be summoned from the

danger of the philippines. so, they initiated a long career, we will know and you know perhaps better than i. >> host: thank you very much. eduardo galeano is the author of "mirrors" stories of almost everyone. it is a wonderful book. this one that you can't stop reading. and it has been an honor to talk to you. i have wanted to do this for many years and it is really been great that i have been able to do it. i am john dinges and i am speaking with eduardo galeano, and we will end it there and thank you very much. >> guest: thank you. i absolutely forgot that there was a tv studio. i was having a nice, talking conversation with a friend in a cafe. thank you. >> host: well, good. i enjoyed it.

>> now a political consultant, dick morris, the former adviser to president clinton is the co-author of the book, "catastrophe," which accuses president obama of being too radical and criticizes his policies on the economy, healthcare and national security. mr. morris talked about the book of the book review bookstore in a long island town of huntington, new york. this is just under an hour. [applause] >> thank you. you know, my ego is not such that when i encounter this traffic on the way here, i realized it was for the met yankee game. [laughter] but i am delighted to see everybody here. thank you very much for coming and i apologize for being late.

will come of these are very difficult times. i am very happy that you finally found a bank to co-sponsor this that isn't owned by obama. [laughter] [applause] somehow i don't think aig would sponsor these kinds of events anymore. we are-- it is hard to these filing but do we can't do anything else. this is a very, very difficult time of course in this country, and we are not suffering right now, because of the recession that started under george bush. we are suffering primarily because of the cure for the recession adopted by barack obama. [applause] because, the recession itself began as a normal flow of the

capitalist system and is probably ending by about no. it is in china, it is in other countries throughout the world but it is not here and there reason it is not here is not the disease. it is the consequences of the care. [applause] what obama did when he took office was a pass this massive stimulus spending program, and the stimulus program was never an means to end the recession. the recession was the means to get the stimulus program passed. [applause] because, the stimulus program included eight years of democratic spending dreams, some of which are quite good. broadband computer access, renovating schools, expanding early childhood education, good stuff but over eight years, when the money is coming in, when you

don't have to borrow it, to do it in one week and along with a lot of other garbage in the package that i am sure you know all about like 250,000 bucks for a tattoo removal parlor in los angeles. in san francisco the idea of tattoo removal has not caught on yet. [laughter] but, the idea that this massive spending would somehow lift up the economy is just totally wrong and it was wrong when they did it in japan. for 20 years they have had spinned stedman shaw stimulus spending in japan. when it started in 1990 the ratio of debt to the economy was 25%. now the debt is two and a half times the economy, 250% and over the last 20 years to you know has a gdp lower than it did 20 years ago. it is done absolutely no good and when bush sent out checks in

2008, it did absolutely no good. the reason is very simple, and weeks flanagan "catastrophe." the idea of keynesian economics, that theory has been replaced by the theory of rational expectations, which says we are not stupid. when we get a check in the mail and we are in danger of losing our jobs in danger of losing our houses, we do not run out and buy a flat screen tv's. thank goodness we buy books. [laughter] but, not flat screen televisions or cars, so in the month of april, the total household income in the united states rose from-- rose $120 billion, 50 billion of which was the stimulus money coming back to us, but savings rose by $131 billion, $10 billion more than the household income went

up. what that meant was we did not spend a dime. we put it all paying down our credit cards, catching up on their mortgages, paying down our bills and those of us who were really well off put it into treasury bills and those of us who are realistic put it in the posture picc savings program. we put it under the mattress. [laughter] the safest place. but the point is we did not go out and spend it. and then, obama, however having spent the money now is running a round the world with a tin cup, borrowing over $100 billion a week, a 2 trillion by october 1st and when you are trying to borrow that much money it drives up interest rates. they are not going to lead it to you for nothing. they are going to charge rates and as a result the long term interest rates have doubled since he took office in mortgage rates have gone up by a full point in six weeks.

now i thank you for not doing when they said the work for bill clinton, but i have got to tell you this. this was not the way bill clinton handled a recession. bill clinton eliminated the deficit. barack obama has quadrupled that. build plants and cut mortgage interest rates by three or four points. obama is letting them go up. bill clinton eliminate the deficit by cutting the capital gains tax from 28% to 20 and i'm not crazy. you cut that capital gains, more people sell, more people buy, they are more transactions in the produce more revenue in permitted us to eliminate the budget deficit. i remember sitting there with him with a yellow pad in the oval office and the literally wrote the budget from memory. this guy did not need anything. he knew every one of the lines in the budget and he voted budget.

those of quds ended up being completely meaningless. the only cut that mattered was the capital gains tax. obama's doing the opposite. ezo increasing the deficit that when you go to borrow money for their refinancing of your home, the feds are elbowing a lot of the way for codel the federal reserve board knows that if they let interest rates go as high as they could go with this massive borrowing, that we will be in the great depression, so you know what they are doing? they are printing money. victual kala printing money. they call it buying treasury securities. or buying stocks, but what it is is they are buying stephon putting money that isn't there into the economy. now, imagine that it is as if in your cars, obama came around and said i'm going to give, or the fed came around and said i'm going to give you all a full tank of gas and then they went around shooting gas into your caro