>> alex jones your book "losing the news" you refer to the first amendment. >> of first amendment was great for this century and has been better has only been bad grades piece of work since the 1930's. firm most of our history of the first amendment protections what we think of as absolut has been very, very uncertain. they are uncertain because in times of great national strives the monday gadget impinge upon and the supreme court determines what the first amendment really says.

before world war i for instance or during world war i it was against a lot in this country to express any opposition to the war broke that is not what people now think of the first amendment guarantee. that is not long ago. it is fair to say the first amendment while it is secure and $0.01 is a hostage to what might happen to this country in the event of a terrorist attack when people get scared they get very skid brake might scare the first thing they get rid of is their right to have an open discussion that are free speech theoretically guarantees. that is something that can to depend on what the supreme court says and also how tariff three adhd -- terrified people are when they're terrified everything can go out the window. >> what changed in the 1930's? >> the man who was a bigot, anti-semites a really

unpleasant man who had a newspaper in minneapolis. he was willing to put himself in this position of calling people terrible names but at the same time exposing corruption. he was sued by the state of minnesota under a state law that said essentially he could not people names and be disagreeable if but people in authority of state government did not want it. it took to the supreme court at that moment to say the constitution overrode the state laws which were everywhere. four instance before the civil war if you live in the southern part of this century, if you express opposition to slavery that is against the law. that does not know people think of the first amendment they think it happened in 1791, the bill of rights but that is not so.

>> host: is that what is happening in the blogosphere people can have their opinions or whenever they consider to be fact posted online for the girl to see? >> absolutely and under the situation now. people in this country no matter their political persuasion realizes the importance of the first amendment guarantee. what i argue if it is so guaranteed especially the new ones of those guarantees depend on the supreme court and what it says it was and what they say they were. for many decades of our history or 2/3, the supreme court did not say what we now assume them to be. >> host: why do you include chapters on gay-rights and civil-rights in your book "losing the news"? >> guest: what i am trying to do in the book "losing the news" is make clear what is

happening to what i call the hour yearend collor, the news that is based on reported fact, it is in jeopardy because of the digital revolution it is in jeopardy because of the economy and what is happening to the newspaper industry because newspapers have provided i would say 85% of that hard core news. if that goes away which it increasingly seems to be, then what will be lost without it? a lot of other things like the tradition in this country of objective journalism and journalism ethics that are the central basis of a kind of journalism that that is based upon and to be held accountable. it is not a newspaper losing a few reporters we are losing what i need to address and that is why i lost a book deal struck the book that could

affect the whole profession of journalism as we understand it. it is the digital future and something that is an unavoidable and wellcome but it is simply that we need to be absolutely certain it will not cut the cost of the american values are certainly like a journalist. >> host: talk about citizen journalists are you a supporter of citizen angeles? >> guest: i am a supporter of psittacine journalism it is not an antidote to what i see as the erosion of professional journalism. are used to go to school board meetings and county council meetings and there were people who were there that were very interested but they also had a strong point* of view. they are typical of was citizen journalism is.

they are deeply interested but i don't think they want to be dependent on their version of events that is why i think professional journalism is important to keep nomad year politics that is the basis of verifiable fact. that is what i believe is the sense of the stage is essential to our democracy in this country. >> host: the editor of a "wall street journal" recently referred to google and yahoo! of the world as a tapeworm. >> guest: absolutely. i agree. google news especially has a wonderful way to get affirmation on any subject you type in the topic and up comes 200 are 300 articles.

those were the most part were published in newspapers. the person who goes to those articles is a customer of google effectively they're not a customer of the newspaper that paid those salaries but i think until reporters and journalists and news organizations find out ways to make good will pay to take their work and selling ads against it. google is making a lot of money and makes most of the money from advertising off of the lab a. next to them is yahoo!. bit of hire reporters are paid journalist and they have no hand in creating bad news. they feed off of it like a tapeworm of feeding off of somebody's of the gut as if they are long for the ride. that is a bad model for the future because it look killed the goose that laid the golden

egg until those news organizations stop creating the news, a boogaloo is will not nablus to aggregate. >> host: sunland is the solution of a generation growing up on free news? >> guest: that is a great new readily find a way to find a commercial model on level or print? we have not figured that out yet. if we don't find a commercial mechanisms to stay in the iron collar news, i am not talking about cross up but stuff that is the essential information that we have our national conversation around. that does not continue to be reported that the local or regional level, i think we'll have a serious problem with

our democracy part of that is the economic ripple but is yet to be solved price certainly hope that it will. there is a reasonable chance that it will. >> host: annual book "losing the news" you give three examples of solving the problem. can you explain them a little more? the alabama newspaper and the newshour proposal you put forward the newshour with jim lehrer? >> guest: this involves the nonprofit world. i welcome the nonprofit solution. i don't think they're necessarily ones that will be the most sustaining. what i say just about the newshour is it you happen to be a billionaire out there who have some money that you want to use to change the world, the way to do most quickly and powerful in my opinion is to wind down the news hour and instead of making it a talking head program give it the money that it needs to become a genuine

high-quality television news gathering operation with the standards that has under jim lehrer. newshour house one hour of prime unused time on every television sat in america every public has that on. if you take the quality the newshour represents and add to that the muscle of a news gathering enterprise on genuine terms than you would transform television news and by doing that he would transform the old news and firemen which would create genuine rival to cnn and fox news and msnbc and focus on high quality television news. that is the most compelling news that there is but it takes a lot of talent and a

lot of people would love to do it to get on the air. if somebody wants to endow the news hour to that end it again on the air and have a profound effect as far as the other model there models in which individuals and either give the organization a foundation or create that around their organization. that is what will be happening in some places. i don't know. but that is not the solution for a long term. the solution for long-term will have to be calmer shaw, one that allows these organizations to make a profit and therefore it paid the journalist that do the work and send their kids to school. >> host: a former "new york times" winner what are you

doing now? >> guest: director of the center for press politics at harvard university and a family newspaper background i am good generation of a family that owned a small newspapers in tennessee and we're still active. my father 94 years old is the publisher two brothers and a brother of my go to work there every day. i really believe with a lot of people when they think about it carefully realize this is important to our country and the national discourse we're in a dangerous place right now and i hope teeeleven the book i have written will make people aware and examine the issues that will be in danger if this goes away like of objective news or ethics in journalism, like the kind of

protections of the first amendment is bolstered by that i think has greatly furthered in the process as an industry in our country. >> you mention your father and quotes him as saying you cannot run a newspaper and have friends at the same time. >> guest: my father is a very wise man. one of the things that he said to me when i was a young man he is a publisher of our newspaper in our town. i think it was a very community minded newspaper but also under my father's leadership the believed it had a responsibility to tell people often what they did not want to hear. my dad said to me, if you are doing your job as a newspaperman, it is very hard to have friends. >> host: he is comfortable with that? >> guest: he is very comfortable. i do think he has friends but

as certain times people are not your friend because they have a goal but for the most part did you do the job consistently and don't play favorites they come around and understand you were doing is for everybody's benefit. my father did not put friendship above what he considered to be the responsibility that our newspaper has part of that is the way to run a newspaper. >> do you think the advocacy of cnn and msnbc and fox news cable shows in the evening and is a good trend to trend toward advocacy and opinion rather than straight journalism? >> i believe there is a place for advocacy, i think advocacy is mine. i don't believe we should only have advocacy or have news as

a disguise. what we need is a core of serious reported news reported by journalists to are held accountable by editors and the public over objectivity to provide the core factual knowledge that allows the people caught on the blogosphere and a cnn and fox news and editorial pages around the water cooler to have a conversation. if you don't have that core of reported news all you have is the hot air. we knew the hot air but without that core is a very dangerous thing. >> we have been having a national conversation about traditional media versus the new media for going on 10 years now what will shake out? >> we're at the beginning of a digital world and we're in this media and by recognizing the world will be digital high one to believe you can have a

digital world at also have print magazines and radio and other things that are not simply on the web. i think it will be its own place, profoundly power fall and all of the other entities will have representation on the web. but i think we can choose we have a web and other things as well but where it is going, but we're just beginning and where it is going is anyone's guess pricing where it is going is something we ought to try to guide instead of letting happen because it is too important or two big that we become a world, a nation in which all we are doing is amusing ourselves on the web. that is not a sustainable democracy. that would be a dangerous thing provide hope that is not going to happen and i think news that is hard core that we are in danger of losing is

critical. >> host: here is the cover of the block the latest from alex jones published by oxford "losing the news" >> the perseus the books group and here at the book expo america of this year public affairs is doing something different susan mine berg is the publisher. what you doing? the group decided to take up a challenge that was to publish

a book in the 48 hours on the show floor which meant from the opening day through thursday through saturday we will have a book party if you would like to stop by and celebrate broke the idea was to showcase a lot of things that are happening in publishing one is the way the electronic files for format and all different technology how much is opening new opportunities in publishing and bookselling? the other was to continue with the collaboration we're doing with other companies watts of companies with new ideas that can be very innovative from the book world when we announced this week that we would ask some to come help and many came to us before we had a chance to call them. do you want to help we have over 20 companies participating in this project to create the book. >> host: you have a whole schedule of the events that you have done with a story

board? of course, the first thing is what is the book? we had to have a good book the way we created it is from outsourcing we started a website a block of the sequel.com and we spent one month inviting people through all kinds of social networking mechanisms and writing people within the industry and all over the world to contribute to the buck. we have contributions from new zealand, japan and has been a fun process the book is equal. it is the first line of an as yet on written a sequel to any book ever written it could be something like call me which is moby dick skied nazi war could be something like they were not the worst of times out of things got a lot worse after that. a tale of three cities by

charles dickens. we created the idea and at 4:00 on thursday restarted the editing process of picking and organizing the sequel minds. we also said we're not sure how the book will come out so we need a few covers that we can look at and pick the best one when we have contributions and comments from people at the show. >> is that one of the first things that you do? >> not when you are talking about a book when you're getting ready to publish the book. that is when you know, what the book is and the cover is an important marketing tool and it is the closing the book wares in public and we never say a book out -- send a book out naked. >> host: why did you this decide on this? when we put these together on the board. >> we got a lot of comments but the thing and love to watch is the very quick this role reaction

because once you start talking about a cover, forget it people did not discuss the cover the have a very quick reaction will pick this book up or pass it by? when we have these four covers appear everyone's i went to this one. we asked people about that they said it is about books and the sequels are from older books and here they are and they'll love the elegance and then there is a little twist of the electronic greeting device right there. some people got it right away some people cannot get it they enjoyed a more because the cover gave a response. this we felt would fade people could not see it as quickly and these two were fined but people really gravitated to the books on the cover. we had he will join us that they cover meeting with the sales director and other booksellers to happen to come by the booth they came and

gave us our comments we send them out on twitter and we got response from people who were following the projects and this was a very heavily unanimous choice. so that is a collaborative process and we decided that would be the cover. >> host: we have a finished copy of the book. there is an introduction by eight the editorial director of public affairs and he is the one talking with bling westpac california berkeley and they came up with the idea together. roker i've edited the book and clive said he would write the introduction he has written several books for us at public affairs and seemed to have the right touch. >> host: let's pick one page and you can explain it. as i lay on dead and dying to

mine there were a lot those on the contributions and a lot of contributions from certain authors. i don't know if i have that to right in front of me but i know if we come over here these people have that information. do have the sheet of the titles? that is what we're looking for write now. >> host: micki, woody working on? >> guest: the digital audio edition ibm way teeing for a final audiophile to come from michigan and i will prove them into the right here in the booth with headphones and then i wall upload them and let all

of the vendors know that audible music is on the drive they can pull down the files and put them on their side and we will have the audio edition. >> host: you have already recorded the audio edition? why in michigan? >> we have a great relationship with the studio he has done good work he is fast and reliable. >> he was willing to do it in one day we got in the manuscript at 11:00 a.m. yesterday and he got the file up by this morning. he read it himself the often does that he is the audio book producer now will be available for anybody who sell or distribute those types of things. >> host: also available on the amazon kendall? it will be available every format includes the sony reader, the amazon kendall and everybody that says we went to offer this book and i believe they can buy the book today.

>> host: how important are that the book to our business? >> they represent growth and a way to continue reading in another form and format. the e-books potential how readers read a book is very significant. i also think in this world everything happens so quickly we sometimes have been able to get books out faster in e-books format we did this last year of public affairs with george soros book on the financial crisis we release it as the e-books at the but it took 56 weeks to get the of physical book but we let readers have as said e-books book first because it was time sensitive. here we're showing of the things we're doing today which

is our second full day of publication that will end at 4:00 today we have a book website created right here at the booth and we created a reading group guy. a great meeting where we have librarians and company reading choices that does reading group rides. >> host: do you do that on a normal basis? >> guest: not all books by significant number and a lot of publishers do is a popular way not for reading books but helping librarians to run readers groups we also had a couple of librarians join us and we had some great ideas for a reading group based on books the sequel but that also polls and a lot of interested reading and ways to talk about books and what people remember and how the matter. teachers said that would be used as a classroom assignment and they put a lot of classics

around it but we did in a very collaborative project as a fun thing for everyone to have at has a role to play in it. the meeting at 1:00 will be very interesting. that is our decision whether and how many to print for the general public. we do have some orders in the book in the system we're talking to other retailers and people are hearing about the book with him. activation behalf to make a decision how many copies to print and how can we best get them out there? our goal is to have them distributed by june 15th which is very aggressive and we are laying down the grounds nearly cannot do it that quickly but we believe that we can. >> host: is there a time be think we will not printed a copy is? >> guest: not a book we have already decided to publish. that doesn't happen. when you talk to e-books in the future use a white away

launch it as the e-books first? that is another publishing model some people are talking about. but print publishers have not gotten their first regret 330 we will have a q&a with all participants over 20 companies for participating in any booksellers that need to come and learn about the project and a 4:00 p.m. we open the champagne. >> host: behind geo mcs micki we want to introduce clive. what was your role in this? >> i am the editor of the book so negative on the front end. we dreamed up the idea with a public affairs officer and with my editorial colleagues, we sat down from 4:00 p.m. and look at all the submissions that came into the website and decided how we was

selects them and arrange them with the buck. we did that on thursday but on friday we saw how they had all run out what the pages look like we moved a lot of material around. we're a little short and a little longer than is what happens when you do pages through a database. budget for 30:00 p.m. yesterday we ended up with 144 pages and we have proofread at least twice. it was a proofreading job from hell because not only are we doing and a convention center with a lot of distraction but a lot of sequels are variations on this emitted is difficult to keep track of you have seen it before but the website is up and running. we had to close contributions for the printed book on thursday just because for the sake of the project we wanted everything to take place within 48 hours we