i thought maybe, on the other hand we have got such a rush of adrenaline going through your veins, because the webvan cell lymphatic about this is the greatest story you have never covered, that you were so emphatic about it in you are so anxious to share your story with everybody, so here you are to tell at this evening. ..

>> one may be the most important election of my lifetime and i said that because of a lot of factors that this economy was bad and getting worse, of the war was on popular george bush presidency went up to the highest point* ever recorded a 90% approval by dr. 9/11 then syncing of the way down like nixon before he resigned and in the sense of anxiety of the country of the future of politics was not working and then in a nervous time for the country and that was the background for the country

that we embark on it turned out to be the story of a lifetime. it was the most remarkable thing to cover, watch, try to understand the characters were remarkable and we will get into that the exurbs in the interview, when the president spoke as president-elect we asked when you talk about the selection hallowed you tell the story he said it is a great novel. it is really quite extraordinary to hear the president of the characters of how they were, i cannot imagine a president in my lifetime thinking in those historical terms so it is a great time. we will go back and forth talking about the things we try to cover, lessons learned and then we will open it up to

questions from you. thank you again for coming [applause] >> i went too also went to extend my thanks it is nice to see a group of people, friends, old friends, neighbors and in new people we do not know but we know the war political junkies. i just have to preface this book is a labor of love if you cover politics the way we do to write a book or write a book it was away a privilege we felt as though this would be one of the great experiences of our life to do this book and it was. haynes called nablus yuri 2007

d.c. me and 2007. he said i want to talk about something i said let's talk at the mayflower and we did not talk any further so i said to my wife haynes called and he wants to have breakfast and she said if it is about a book, i just say yes. [laughter] so we sat down to breakfast and he sketched out the idea of a book he had about the 2008 campaign and i said it is interesting where you are talking about because i am about two-thirds of the way through for a proposal which is almost ideal begin concept we were talking about we knew it would be important with a great cast of characters but we have no idea what we were in for with the twists and turns and a drama and everything that we lived and took a hold of.

in may 1st segments i'll want to talk a little about president obama then briefly about the contest between obama and now secretary clinton we think we are familiar with barack obama he has been in our lives a lot since the remarkable speech since the boston convention in 2000 or what we will find is a deeper understanding of barack obama, strings and weaknesses, a type of character that he is, some of what he went through and and as you die just less has what he is going through write now. one thing that is important to always remember with barack obama at it in addition to ambition nobody runs for president if you were in the senate for only 12 minutes. [laughter] if you don't have ambition be

he is very competitive one of the bus stories came from robert gibbs about when obama's a book "the audacity of hope" was published in 2006 which helped to create the build-up for his candidacy. obama wanted this to be a big best-seller so the book was about to come out and some of his staff said the book will do well be used to understand it is coming out literally the same time as the first piece of nonfiction by john grisham. said do not get your hopes up too far you have serious competition. he said on a understand. when it debuted and first hit "the new york times" best-seller list gibbs called him and said this is terrific you are at #2 and obama's said that is great know i want to be number one. and that is the

competitiveness he took into this race for pro plano john mccain as a gambling man but so was barack obama to get into this race as a novice candidates. when we talk to him about what. him into the race he said he had a very good point* in his life, well known, successful books, doing things in the senate he knew with the democrats taking over in 2006 he could begin to do legislating but he said i thought there may be something, i was in a position that i should see what is out there that circumstances have been created that made it possible and i thought maybe i should try i gave myself maybe a 25 or 30% chance of winning the presidency then he said which for a gambling man is not bad odds. one of the other interesting things is the advice he got

from his of pfizer's during that period in 2006 in particular david axelrod which wrote a memo that we could get ahold of and put in the book which it is a remarkably prescient and well is about the state of the country it was axelrod's view that the climate was ideal for a candidate like barack obama debt -- to run for president after the country had been through the war, unlike the popularity of president bush the country was looking for real and big change and in axelrod formulation voters will be seeking a replacement and you are perfectly situated to become that. mcclinton has some important strength and assets are you are better positioned to take advantage of the public mood.

he also said that many have counseled you to wait, you're too young, a two new you should get seasoning and think about running four or eight years from now but history is replete with candidates who have waited too long rather than examples of people who ran too soon and said this is your moment. obviously he was a cheerleader but there is another piece that we found particularly revealing because it went to the question of his weaknesses in experience is not going to be that crippling. of the more important thing is if you can show strength senator clinton has strength. no question. there are parts of her character that may cause our problems people may not trustor but she has strength the campaign can be a proving ground for strength and you'd have to demonstrate to the course of the campaign he had with voters were looking for

in a time of war. then he said in a very pointed and critical way comment the disarming and missions of weakness in your book dreams for my father will become fodder for unflattering irritating increase than he alluded to the questions that obama should expect. how many times did you use cocaine and marijuana? who did you buy a from? did you sell drugs? have you broken any other laws? it is more an unpleasant inconvenience you have to put up with something you have never dealt with on a sustained basis, a criticism that after triggering the reaction i do not know if you are muhammed ali or floyd patterson when you take a punch to care too much what is written and said about you, you do not relish combat when it becomes personal and nasty when alan keyes attack

you, you flinch. we remember obama as a candidate who inspired great passion, devotion among his followers, use the internet to raise half a billion literally from small donors but what we don't remember so much as how difficult his early days as a candidate we're. we look back and think he was almost on a predestined pass but his first months on the campaign were very difficult he went out to las vegas and performed very badly and clinton was brilliant and he knew when and he realized the size of the gap between her level and his and he was exhausted. the pressure he was under being away from his family, he was irritable, unhappy, and 1.when gibbs flew from chicago to washington to get on a flight was to s.p.a. to the

campaign was worried he was too discouraged and in the dumps and they had a very candid conversation and gibbs said you just need to find something you feel positive about then he said i am unhappy with a message, the advice that all of these smart people give me that you think it is that easy i am out here every day. he did nothing fed campaign was working well that he was not doing what he thought and gibson said i did something positive he said there is nothing positive right now. sitting next to them was a young personal assistant he is a big strapping young guy he is working his blackberry and listening and he looks up and says boss of it is any consolation i am having a blast. [laughter] and barack obama looked at him

and said richie, it is not any consolation of. [laughter] but he does have resilience and patience and the ability to learn from his mistakes and his competitive drive makes him a person and he wants to succeed even in difficult times. so as to look forward and watch him go through what he is now going through remember during the campaign not every day was terrific he had-- that were the eighth successive days that or not he learned and figure how to win the battle we obviously don't know if he will win the battle he is facing right now but as you read through this but think about what you are seeing in realtime and how that compares to what he did during the campaign. let me briefly because we do not want to spend all of this time talking, the campaign between obama and clinton was the most remarkable period in political history that we

witnessed. and rather than recount it in any detail i want to go through as redoing the book what churchill called the terrible what if of history. what if something happened? what if the iowa caucus was not the first event? throughout 2007 senator clinton was cruising in the national poll doing well and performing well in debates compared to obama and buy all measures to she was the inevitable nominee an barack obama was struggling but yet in iowa it was a totally different story. hillary clinton always struggled and iowa her husband never campaigned there when he ran in 1992 there were irrelevant because harkin was running and i had no network she began with a iowa skeptical of her, they did not feel they knew per, iowa was

always the most troubling state for the campaign had the race started and new hampshire we may have a different outcome that is where the clintons became the comeback kid is what revived her after iowa in this campaign if that was reversed we may see a different outcome. if obama won the south carolina primary by only nine points rather than 29 points we may have a different race. south carolina was a supercharged battle that involved bill clinton, the issue of race became injected into the campaign that people felt was destructive at the time. nobody in the clinton high command wanted to compete hard in south carolina they knew they had to debate the basically wanted senator clinton to spend no time there and make it clear she did not regard that as crucial. bill clinton insisted that

they compete there and insisted he spend time there it was his view would not without some merit that he had a connection in the african-american community and he could help her in ways that nobody else could and he insisted they compete to that made south carolina at a crucial battle in the race and win barack obama one by 29 points and astounding victory which nobody anticipated somebody in the obama campaign said i think we will win by about 18 points that person said you are crazy. claiborne by 29 and gave them an enormous crews heading into super tuesday which for the obama campaign was the most difficult day on the of calendar. what if the florida primary had counted? and not delegitimize by the dnc? immediately after the election

said in florida had been a real primary hillary clinton might be the nominee and might well be president at that point* but the rules were the roles in the obama campaign understood that and willing to take those roles and they figured out how to play those much more effectively banned the clinton campaign florida is one example, the caucuses are the other when it mattered most the obamacare of paine operated very skillfully and the clinton campaign did not dance later the clinton campaign became better but by then it was too late. i will turn it over to haynes [applause] >> i went to talk about what we learned watching this historic campaign. he alluded to obama's personality. what you saw in the public was

a confident and strong no worries about where he was going and in fact, he went through deep times of frustration and that is a whole character per we did not know. number two, there were things that happened in this campaign particularly between hillary and bill clinton and ted kennedy there were extraordinary, a contentious, like a shakespearean story, they really were the elements that play back and forth for gore will talk about when ted kennedy finally endorsed obama's, there haven't been, the clintons will talk about how their passionate to get his endorsement they called and realized he could not endorse at a certain point* but when it was time they've put on the pressure

and of all, also did but the calls became the ted kennedy and bill clinton but also hillary are part of a novel itself. they are angry, talked about race, contentious, not to buy land, but it wasn't hot stuff and they went back and forth over days before oersted decided he would endorse obama. and he did so because not because he did not like hillary but he had decided long before, the more he watched obama he said he reminds me of jack and bobby. he is speaking to a new generation, bringing something i have not seen, the family was reacting to this so this angry contention took place and that endorsement, obama

will say it now that it was the catapults at that point* that he also sealed at that point* the african-american approached parker it is an interesting factor in this campaign began we went to a lot of focus groups that were remarkably interesting one of the very first in 2007 was a group of voters that were democrats and there were three african-american women in that focus groups that all said they were four hillary clinton. and as the conversation went on one of the women said i was not going to say this but really my first choice is barack obama of that he cannot win so i am for him three. -- hillary and other candidates thought that way. what kennedy's endorsement did was solidify the

african-american vote to in the south killer in line and in the country and it was an enormous change. the aftermath and bitterness is a healed now. who knows? because of to understand what was really said to each other, it was not pleasant to say the least. win the nomination and finally came on, by that point* you have hillary and obama and that is part of the great novel. she starts out as the would been a candidate, rising above the growth, then the more she begins to lose, the better she got she was a fantastic kennedy at the end she lost 11 straight and obama's told us in the final interview that

she was a terrific candidate, connecting, looser and she was humorous and she connected with voters across the board so has she started out that way, who knows? so it was fascinating to watch the arc of this going forward. john mccain. we do not want to ignore john mccain because i wanted to credit them, i should say doing this with me was the way the book became successful. dan balz was magnificent and it could not be done without him. but said john mccain story that day and said he is a shakespearean figure. he is strapped in a shakespearean drama. his whole black -- background that made him this figure is

his experience as a pow in vietnam with torture, cannot raise his arms over his head, a genuine, and then george bush crushed him in 2000 bush question and to south carolina and 80 years later he is running again for the presidency and he is defending the war policies of the george bush and he could not break loose out of that. he was trapped. i will not get into sarah palin. you can ask questions about that. [laughter] that is another story that kept coming. maybe we can wrap up and take questions. do you want to say a couple more things? >> let's just go to questions. >> there are so many people

here. >> you are all standing but one more thing, we tried to draw the end of this book what the lessons we thought the election told us. not just as reporters are journalist or writers but americans. there were obviously many and they will be lasting but the obvious thing is a race. what the selection said. why the election was more than an endurance test it was a test of american people and their institutions, a first less than most obviously was raised. in 1619 when a battered dutch privateer came up did james river to deposit the first african-american slaves on the continent race relations have affected the character of the united states more than any other factor. black slaves laid the

cornerstones for the white house and capitol it was a market the stood on the side in washington where the national archives today at this very moment how does the declaration of independence and the bill of rights became discrimination bloodshed that plagued the nation throughout the history with drought its democratic principles of the quality. this is the point* we will take away whatever happens with obama presidency, his election as the first african-american will always be a proud chapter in the american story. what comes next is another aspect but that was history in the making. think we should all be proud of that. thank you [applause] >> as i observed the

democratic primary in 2008, one of the major factors that i saw that was a stumbling block for hillary was hurt vote on the iraq war. how much of that was a factor in helping obama in his campaign? >> she never got out from under that. she was trapped. and she could not break free. one of the fascinating aspects of hillary clinton and the war was the resolution to go into iraq with george bush, one of the things her people felt strongly because she is a woman they wanted to show she was strong and could be a commander in chief and be in charge like the boys and she

had to show strength so she could not step back and she was trapped in that aspect. >> could you e elaborate a little on this question which i think so many of us found interesting were the charges that he had no experience and i have all of the experience. and what role that played positive or negative? as background to that, i served in one uniform or another from under eisenhower through clinton. i was involved in the elections and it always seemed to be in a way that i looked at my leader and most of the people around me, it was not a question of experience but of

judgment and the choices you make for your position. would you talk about that question number. >> every good question and is central particularly the democratic primary battle. as i said the obama campaign believed ultimately the issue of experience versus an experience would not be crucial. not that he did not have to deal with it. in the early stages of the democratic race he spent time talking about what he had done as a state senator he kept referring to that record they were doing constant focus groups it had no residents and made no impact and finally they jettison. they realized the issue was not experience and experience but the capacity to lead and what was important for him not to say i have passed this many bills are spend as much time working on this issue but to

say i have the qualities of leadership that we need at this particular point* in history and when he began to do that he was able to do that it was an important turning point* was the jefferson jackson dinner and i will all candidates or their and iowa obama give a much better speech and in galvanized it focused on what it needed at this point* in history and without ever mentioning senator clinton white he was fit and she was not it was a sharp contrast without naming her. they had to face and this became important in the general election is he ready to be commander in chief because if you run against john mccain obviously everybody for most people believe he was and when obama was getting ready to enter the race he did a the interview

with "the chicago tribune" and they said if you become the nominee and mccain is the nominee how will the race we framed? he said collor hiro vs. slot nosed kid. [laughter] he knew what he had to do. a macleishes have to convince people we are capable over the summer and during the first day he was able to do that. >> . >> 18 hillary clinton made president obama at a much better candidates. can you talk about why you think he selected her for secretary of state? and how you think they're working together and how will this play out and her future

political career. >> i have no idea about the future but history is being made and the decision was made it is not entirely clear but she was not going to be the vice president. there is a wonderful phrase obama's people said you cannot have two of the dogs on the same ticket. [laughter] did not mean they did not respect hillary and she was very loyal and worked hard for obama cross-country. she did everything she could to demonstrate that. and i think it personally, my own view was a great choice. and she has been in an important position of doing the work that i think she is having the experience for. >> the definition of luck is

when opportunity meets preparation and the election ended wind wall street imploded and obama looked thoughtful and john mccain sounded thoughtless but my real question for you it is germane at the present time about healthcare. mrs. obama received upwards of $103,300,000 as a director of university in chicago medical center and very little has been said the post has never hesitated to savage anything or everybody right now with health care the issue is access to affordable insurance but what mrs. obama accomplished her successes or failures or what worked or did not and that is extremely important at the present time. >> the post did some work on

that during the campaign itself. and i suspect it was a piece that very few people remember because there was such a flood of coverage. we have not looked at it since. that is a fair point* but we did look added during the campaign perhaps it is worth revisiting although it is hard to know what role she is playing in the development of the fight. >> university in chicago medical center was supposed to happen spiriting people away who could not pay their bills. >> thank you. >> in the riding of the book where you overtly are subliminally influenced by the classic book the making of the the president 1966. >> haynes had a great line he said will make this teddy white without the romance. [laughter] no question he was an

influence and teenine new him well but his political reporting influenced all of us. we did not set of to be the teddy white of 2008. >> our love him but we did not try to do the same sort of thing. redoing a narrative of the history we have a different view. he did a great book on this election for sure. >> so it is up to be to ask the sarah palin question? [laughter] negative understand of the fighter pilot it is not working this way we have to shake up but didn't reflect badly that she could have a become president and she does not know a lot? >> you never know at the moment when you make a decision like that how it will worked out. it was a risky and a well

discussed risk within the campaign the haste with which they pictor has been talked about it is a more complicated story the book does that link it is more complicated how much they have looked at her but no question they did not spend any realtime sizing her up directly until the early than 94 senator mccain it chose herbert from there is a great line from the man in charge of the vetting process he spoke to her the night before she went to see mccain and he gave mccain a report the next morning that sarah palin was making her way up to meet with the senator and he said she did very well in the interview they learned at that point* said daughter was pregnant they decided that was not relevant, they would ignore that she knocked some of the questions out of the parking and he had some tricky

questions with nuclear weapons and she did very well and better than some of the other candidates and as well as others i think she has great capacity. would she be ready on day one? and no. but later i don't think most people who get into that position are ready on day one. there may be a few. mccain takes this and and says bottom-line? he says high-risk, reward and mccain said you should not have told me that i have been taking risks all my life. away they went. there is a controversy right after the convention but in the first two weeks, for mccain they thought it was the best thing that happened they energize the base and it turned around the poles and raising money, drawing crowds that mccain had never drawn but then the confluence of the

economic collapse and the kb currie contribute and those to seal the fate. the collapse was far more significant which decided the election but no question that what happened to sarah palin have a huge impact on her since then and going forward. >> i just want to add one thing one of the great miscalculations made they were desperate. the mccain people thought they would lose and they had to do something. they have seen him the reason voters may be going away from obama's they thought that was part of the equation but women did not take that kind lead to supporting palin's. also they affected her -- and that did hurt but not for the possibility to be the president of the united states. i think the whole campaign changed direction with the

celebrity ads with obama. mccain got away from his own message which was his life story and got people interested in obamacare? am i right about that? >> i am not sure i would agree. the celebrity ads way summer diversion and a campaign that long you need occasional diversion said do not mean a lot but the mccain people realize what they were doing. their view is he had come back from that foreign trip which was an extraordinary 10 day trip, he was soaring and they looked at him and steve schmidt said a candidate, a good candidate may get 25 or 30,000 feet in terms how well they're doing or being treated with the press. clan san at the best was 25

and barack obama is the 50,000 and we had to do something we could not bring him down so we had to do was to elevate him up so he was out of the atmosphere and a sink of his own weight so they can up with the idea of the celebrity ads. voters did not think much of those ads, but the obama people were rocks. they were started -- stung with the idea he was be called a celebrity they said we better not play on this but it turned out to the month of august the mccain campaign had the momentum, obama had pulled been and were doing smaller events as axelrod said come only when small we forgot what made obama's, soboba and we took the bait but the mccain campaign knew that was a diversion because going

into the convention they were scared he could put the campaign away before the election they needed something bigger which was what led to sarah palin. >> thank you for being here. had senator mccain made the less risky choice having chosen for his running mate mitt romney or someone else, do believe that would have made a difference that history was such it was irrelevant or the choice that did him in? >> my feeling is no. mccain was doomed when the economy taint and how he handled it. not just sarah palin. don't forget he was ahead in the mid september. it is hard to realize. then that the economy goes into the tank then the

president is more and we will face something greater than the depression the stimulus package john mccain and to rubs his campaign i'm coming back to washington to solve everything and nothing happens then he says i will cancel the presidential debate and i don't think he ever recovered from that. >> i agree i don't think any other choice making people said to one another we can run the greatest campaign possible if we pick a conventional choice we will still lose. the conditions despite the rise of mccain after the convention were very much stacked against him a bush approval below 30% and 80% of the country says we're off on the wrong track, a consumer confidence at the all-time low. almost no way you can win under those circumstances. >> i would like to talk about

the selection of joe biden. i like him. he has some quirks but at the time i was pulling for richard singh did the obama people know about richardson's background? >> yes. they knew about him very well. says he really was not a factor. biden was a conventional save choice. he gave what obama needed foreign policy background, capitol hill, respected for get if he makes mistakes but he was respected and appeal to white collar voters in blue-collar voters it made perfect sense it was not going to be hillary then he was the perfect choice. >> the mention of bill

richardson makes it irresistible for me to read one passage. he is a great character. he is a politician who has all sorts of energy and smokes big cigars and ease to much mexican third. he talks about his endorsement of obama and how much she came to like him and he called it his casual elegance but he would get calls from obama to endorse him an obama would leave messages on my phone and say, bill, this is barack, obama. [laughter] and he would always paws like that. we can make history together, come and join and we will make history. then he said money he was on the bus with obama and

somebody brought out some fruit and he said obama's said where is the silverware? [laughter] so they bring him this summer he gets up late and he starts cutting the orange then he takes it and offers it to me and i thought to myself just grab of the orange. [laughter] >> who is the last person in line? how many people? three? those are the last three questions. >> i was sorry we had to choose between obama and hillary i thought they were both extraordinary candidates. but sarah palin could have been no kate where obama and clan tin during the campaign and clinton found her persona but palin's did not seem to

grow. she did not seem to gain from the experience. >> the payment interview with katie couric was devastating and at that point* she was doing so well and had turned on the republican base and eight appealing figure but frankly they were devastating and that came at the same time when the economy when it down. i think at that point* it was over. >> i have one quick observation. when sarah palin went to arizona to talk to john mccain, she had nobody around her who had her best interest in mind. she is a very ambitious person as we have recognized. and a person with natural political talents. the question is was that the right thing for her to do to take the offer?

has she had wiser people around here they may have said you should think carter. this may not be the right moment to jump into something for which you are not prepared. i think what we have seen since the election is she has continued not to get particularly good advice from the people around her and a period after the campaign has hurt her as much during the campaign. >> of the question about obama's agenda how he will pass it and i would like to draw upon the election last year. i went to dozens of the rallies for the two candidates and nearly every single one there were clean coal representatives at every single one. they were giving out perot clean coal hats and distributing paraphernalia and forced their message on both candidates they got no comment

to say he supports clean coal allying with mccain and they took over the agenda and the same thing with the insurance industry they sent out operatives the term is astroturf and they coopted a lot of the messages. that was big. that helped both industries not again attacked now we go into 2009 obama is trying to pass a historic claim energy reform and health insurance reform we see it happening again with insurance companies and coal interests and oil interests are sending operatives to town halls and ambushing people or congressmen. how do think president obama should react to the paid operatives amassing what seems to be public opposition to his agenda win if they are paid by industry? >> i will not give the president and vice but to say

he faces some of the most incredible challenges any president ever since franklin roosevelt bird is not about the lobbyist he has to persuade the people, stay with me and see if we can make a difference. forget about all of the other stuff. we will see. we do not know the answer. >> last question. >> in the last campaign appears to be the most global campaign that we have seen in recent history. and one way don't you think president obama has succeeded in utterly altering the view of america and people's minds that he has brought credibility to american democracy which probably did not exist before? >> a very interesting question because it goes back literally to the period when barack

obama started thinking seriously about running which is late summer 2006 he took a trip to africa and on that trip he came back with a belief, a feeling that the election of and african american, him in particular, would have an instant affect how the world saw the country. even if there was not an important change of policy which she was still advocating, that act alone would say something about america that would make the world look differently and that has been the case. if you look at a recent study that looks at the approval ratings of obama it is unbelievable. there is that potential for him out there. i think the problem or challenge for him is it is one

thing to begin to make the old bridge to talk about a different kind of america or engagement with the world under president bush but as you get into the individual issues whether it is how you deal with the middle east, or what you do about iran or how you manage the war in afghanistan will have much more effect in the long run and then simply the and good will. he starts the grand enterprise with a lot of assets but as you look around the world the challenges are enormous and he will need that good will and figure out a way to leverage it in order to be successful with that we think you have been a great audience and thank you for coming. [applause]

>> book expo america at the yale university press with the director of yale university

press. what is coming out this fall? >> a number of great books starting with the making of americans one of the best-selling books called cultural literacy and he knows very much about what role education has in defining what it is to be american and this book is a capstone of his career which is of many best sellers to talk about the centrality of information and knowledge and what it means to have a shared corpus of knowledge and how important it is too our national identity and the way education seems to be splintered so it has a lot of argument and advocacy and ways to look forward two what the new ministry shipping can do about it. >> elephants on the edge what elephants teach us about

humanity? >> it is marvelous. what has she does she has been on 20/20 and "60 minutes" and what she tries to do is understand how human behavior effects the global population of animals and it is a touching subjects of those who have read the other books on these kinds of issues will respond to this book and especially on those creatures you cannot argue for themselves like elephants. she talks about elephants have been nervous breakdowns. the inner emotion all life of animals and how our on apathy towards understanding how they behave teaches us what it is to be human. it is an interesting turnaround in our efforts we begin to understand ourselves.

>> to biographies coming out by charles dickens and andy warhol. >> everybody thinks we have learned everything we need to know about charles dickens but there has not been a biography and over 20 years this is the first cradle to grave biography in a couple of decades. there is new information, a new research and dickens has pre-christmas sales as well. >> andy warhol? who is the author? >> a very distinguished historian and art critic and writes a column for the nation and this is a wonderful biography of a posthumous legacy that andy warhol left behind. they think it is more interesting to think of anti-war halt than to look at his art and this talks about

what and you were called did to the meeting of the american icon how he has become one of our most significant and icons. it is done largely through working with a iconographic subjects whether the campbell's soup can or liz taylor. and this looks at how he refines of what it is to be iconic. >> the director of yale university press, what decisions to make on a day to day basis? >> it is easier to say what i don't. i run all departments up to me operation, added tours, a financially, marketing, starti ng with the books we have a staff of 14 editors the press is only as good as the books it publishes those of the most important decisions remake we're the largest university

press in the country and the only one with a significant london-based as well. >> you celebrated here 100th anniversary last year due have history? >> is started the left door of a lawyer who graduated from and worked on lower fifth avenue and over the decades it became more and more famous and with the humanities and art history in the sixties it was appropriated in to the university of itself so we are a department. in the '70s there is a big london office that was built up the square and is still there today we do 400 books per year mostly in humanities and social science. >> the director of yale university press. thank you.

>> congressmen barton what is on your summer reading list? >> you think that the library of congress i have a lesson that i take with me home to texas by what i really do is go to a used book store in waco texas and they have a table with 20 old paperback books for $1 and i go and come through those and get 20 of

the biggest factor is fiction and nonfiction paper bucks days paperbacks that they have sometimes to get tom clancy's sometimes you get a mystery, historical, i just finished reading a book called for tax which is a hypothetical fictional book of a uprising in south africa based south africa and i am reading right now a political novel by an author named al injury who did in prising this is called about another of it is a hypothetical about a campaign the 1960's with racial unrest and the anti-war party and tearing the country apart. but i also