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 welcome back to camden yards. down 4-0, 6-2, but the orioles lost to the angels, 17-8. seven home runs given up. met up with amber.

>> it's just a frustrating day, give up single after single and give up the game, it's unfortunate. >> what does this do for the team? to battle a team like the angels and go deep and then to lose a tough one like this in a long, hot game. >> it's a momentum breaker, we score late in the game and tie it up, but couldn't get it done. we have to put it behind us and go out on the road trip on a good note tomorrow. >> welcome back. david hernandez against santana. they wrap up the series tomorrow evening in camden yards. hernandez looking for the fifth win already. >> he is. he's been pitching well of late. santana has been struggling, he's looking for his sixth. >> he pitched a good game with the angels on the west coast.

>> he did. he threw it up in the zone, the right way. very good outing for him against the hometown. >> sum it up today, the frustration. >> it's a long, hard day for the orioles to go back in the locker room and look at each other. you don't want to go to anything, to brian's bash afterwards. you feel awful. but keep your heads up and come back tomorrow. >> the orioles lost today. they lost two out of three to the angels, but they can get a split tomorrow. the game starts at 7:00. the pregame coverage at 6:30. the angels beat the orioles 17- 8. for rick dempsey, i'm tom davis. thank you for watching msam.

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yesterday was ridiculous. it was unnecessary. i had a lot of fun. it was a hard race. i wanted to win bad. congratulations to 88. he did his job. we ended up second. i let it go at that. in a lot of ways i feel sorry for kyle that, you know, he lives that a ng, you know, about stuff, something so small. you know, i hope he can get past it. i don't have any hard feelings. i'm ready to just go race. that's the way i approached today. i told him and i have always told him this, for many incidents we've had in the past. i'm gonna race you the way you race me. i'm gonna handle you and treat you the same way you treat me. that applies to any driver out there. it applied today. kyle and i started racing. he raced me clean and hard, i was gonna treat him with the same amount of respect. if he didn't want to do that, i was gonna treat him the same way he treated me. today was a different race. it was a new day. i just want to focus on my life

and my race. i could care less about what happened yesterday. life's too short to worry about stuff like that. >> brian, when you were here friday, i think you talked about not gambling to give up a lot of points, just earn a few. must have been shocked when you guys made this call. >> he didn't talk to me about that. >> so i guess we got a lot more to discuss on our relationship here. still learning. ryan, why not just go for the top five or top ten? >> it was going to be hard to have a top five or top ten with fuel. there's other guys that were gonna make it. we weren't the only ones that tried to do that. people -- i don't even know who did make it. 24 made it, right? whole made it? 88. the 5.

5, they were even shorter. there's a lot of people trying to do the same thing we were doing. great race teams. and so using that experience from the last race, that really -- couple of those races leading up, we use that. that's part of, you know, working together longer and understanding the risk/reward. if this scenario happened the first race, we would have pitted. we wouldn't have done that. but because we've learned each other a little more, we understand the risk tolerances and maybe what our options are, it opened up the option to take advantage of that. it's just part of really running together. i know it sounds silly, you got to have that chemistry or whatever. but you gotta have that. you gotta have that. what we did before, how it happened.

it's really a combination of everybody pulling together to make that call. >> for brian, you've won a race before, but does winning a race and getting the first win for an organization that helped from the ground up, does it feel any different? and all, does this make the season successful or do you need to make the chase to consider this season a success? >> i mean, winning a race in this sport, with the level of competition, is always pretty special. you know, i mean, you know, i can even see it in jimmie johnson's eyes after a win, or jeff gordon's eyes after a win, and they've won so many. i don't think it ever gets old. but to win a race for an organization, their first win. to win a race as an organization where you're one of the first employees. you were one of the first people there, and to see it grow from

the bottom up and from the ground, it gives it a little something extra. it definitely does. to go through the pains that we went through. it seems like yesterday we were loading up and going home from races that i never dreamed we would. races i never qualified top five from. we missed them as a team. as a group. that was tough. that was painful. one of the hardest years of my racing career. probably the hardest year. to take that same group of to take that same group of and, you know, red bull and then to put it in victory lane, absolutely there's something extra to that. there's something on top of how good it feels to win. for sure. what was the second part of your question? oh, yeah. yeah.

right now, i'd probably say i feel pretty good about the season. if we miss the chase, i'm gonna be pretty upset. does that answer your question? i don't know if that answers your question or not. right now i'm pretty happy and i definitely consider us a success. we sat on six poles and we won a race. hopefully, we're gonna win more. hopefully, we'll be in the chase. but if we miss the chase, i'm going to be disappointed. but then where we came from and what we've acome plirbd so far, i have a hard time to say the season was a failure, no matter what happens from here forth. >> brian, when was the last time you won a race, it was probably from mb 2. for jay, your owners come with the mentality of formula one owners, where if you sit on a pole, you should be winning races. how did you explain to them, no, there's 43 cars in the field, you know there's more than just ferrari and williams up at the

top? how did you get through to them that, be patient, it will come? yeah, how did you do that? >> all the trips to austria, that helps. obviously there's been -- they're new to the sport, just like the team is. the team's 2 1/2 years old. they've been in the sport for 2 1/2 years. in 2007 when they came in as a competitor of this team, you watched everything they did. it was like, wow, this is the coolest organization. and what this company can mold this team into down the road. so, red bull has made a phenomenal effort toward the sport. yes, they do have a different philosophy, a different understanding. they're passionate about what they do. obviously, they're becoming very passionate about what we do because they're beginning to understand how it works, yes. so it's -- there is the educational process that's been going on and on going. it will continue to go on.

>> it was -- kansas, right? joe nemecheck. >> chase race i think. >> it was. >> we'll go upstairs. wolfbegan's got a question. [ inaudible question ] >> no. we even haven't been back to the truck. i'm sure his reaction will be good. >> 12:43 there? we'll wake him up. call him. >> dustin? >> i had one for ryan and all one for brian. ryan, with what brian talked

about earlier, how it's tough to make points on two, three, four guys, did you kind of go into this race with the mind set that you would need to make a gamble based on this is is typically a fuel mileage race. or were you preparing yourself? or did it have to be spur of the moment? >> it changes throughout the race, depending on where you're running. if you're running 30th you have to make different things happen. and if you're run 15gth, you -- if you're running 15th you opt for tires and fuel. probably gonna be in the same situation you're in and then you're guaranteed to finish there. the situation we're in, we pitted, we got two tires there. fuel. put us on the edge. lot of calculations. couple extra laps of caution. strategy. can't set it, you know, prior to the race. it's got to flow. you just try to get point force situation you're in.

you can't try to go for the win running 30th and come up with nothing there, either, do you know what i mean? risk and reward. we had an opportunity to score some points. not only just score some points. win the race. that's what i was thinking. the same thing maybe get some fuel and finish like fourth, fifth right there. i was really thinking, opportunity to win the race. we need to have opportunity. we had other cars, times this year when we've probably performed better on the race track and not been able to, you know, other things happen. we were better car in charlotte and some guys win the race in the rain. you know? we have had that opportunity. we've had better cars and not finishes that we like. just to capitalize on both ends. >> there you go. total coverage of the post-race news conference.

brian vickers wins for the second time in his career. first time for toyota at one of the biggest tracks on the circuit. heading west to minneapolis. half hour southwest of there. ye yang is about red do i surprise the sporting world. tiger woods has never blown a fourth round lead at a major, let alone a two-streak lead. yang sits one stroke ahead of tiger woods. let's take a look at both their score cards. both on 16 on the green. tiger had a rough front nine with a pair of bogeys. got one on the back nine plus the two birds. whereas, yang has been as consistent as can be. one birdie, one bogey on the front nine. all pars until that eagle which you will see on the highlights coming up in minutes here on espnews. 37-year-old from south korea. did win earlier this year on tour. would be one of the great stories of the sporting season

if he can hold off tiger woods after overcoming the world's number one. baiblg red sox and rangers in a rubber game. winner leaves with a wild card lead in the american league. bottom second, ian kinsler. second game back after the dl stint with a strained left ham string. 25th homer of the season. ties the game early. 2-1 texas. kinsler with a man in scoring position. that man is josh hamilton. he's scoring. kinsler two for three. top of the ninth. plenty of baseball to be played. kinsler the hero joining

alphonso soriano as the only second base man ever with a 25 homer/20 steal season. this week the rangers host the twins and visit tampa. boston visits toronto and hosts the yankees. espn will probably cover that series. jays and race. tampa four games out of the wild card spot going in. bottom eighth tied at one. bases loaded. 99 problems. that pitch ain't one. hit me. six homers this season. rays win it 5-2. staying very much alive in this wild card race. this week tampa staying home, hosting the orioles and then the rangers. national league wild card situation. giants enter today one game behind colorado for that final playoff spot. bottom ninth tied at two. jeremy hatfield turns it up to daniel murphy. murphy's first game-ending hit.

mets win it 3-2. san francisco this week one more game at the mets. then the giants visit cincinnati and colorado. so late in the week between the giants and rockies. mets skipper jerry man well said david wright might miss the rest of the season. wright placed on the 15 day disabled list today with post concussion symptoms after taking that fastball to the head yesterday. here's what the mets skipper had to say today. >> i know it's a difficult thing for david, but david is a guy that, he's a team guy. and obviously a huge, huge, huge part of this organization. of this team. and if the experts say that that's the way to go, i have no problem with that. i have no problem with that at all. not at all. that's what is supposed to make those decisions.

not us. very amateurist. one of the many things i'm amateur at. you know, i mean, that's okay, to protect him. whatever is fine. again, i know david would be again, i know david would be tomorrow, wanting to fight through it, do whatever he could to get back out there. at the end of the day, he understands, understands team policy. we have to move on. >> san francisco loses. colorado with a double-header today in florida. after the rainout yesterday. again, colorado winning a game up on the giants. bottom seventh, dan uggla. bad time for cook to give up a season high seven earned runs. second loss in his last 13 starts. hard to fault the guy. but with this loss, kol ra to blows the chance to make up some grounds on san francisco.

when we return, we'll check in phillies, who are involved in the sunday night baseball game on espn. we'll have a live report coming up.

steve bunin back on espnews. pga championship is about to wind down. they're on the final hole. y.e. yang -- who? y.e. yang, 37 years old from south korea. one win earlier this season. has overtaken tiger woods. if he can hold on, he will win the pga championship. it will be one of the stories in the world in golf. you will see the post round news conferences live on espn. conferences live on espn. eastern, 7 central rubber game between the braves and phillies in atlanta. great pitching matchup. happ with the best road era in the majors. overall sixth in the national league. vazquez eighth in era.

both under 3.00. peter pasqueralli joins us now. talked to ghis both club houses. what are the braves hitters saying they want to do against happ. >> i think they need to be aggressive. he's somebody who gets ahead of hitters quickly. he's somebody who, when he gets ahead, can use his good changeup. he's been tough to hit all year. my thinking is from what the braves hitters seem to say, i think they're gonna try to be aggressive at him, try to jump on them quickly. >> how about the phillies? what do they want to do against vazquez? >> phillies are usually a very patient hitting club. they don't change what they do for who's pitching against them. they have such a good confident professional club that i don't think they really change their -- the way they do things for a particular pitcher. vazquez is pitching as well as anyone in the national league 7-0 in his last eight starts. so they know they have their work cut out for them. excellent matchup between two

teams in the middle of a pennant race. that's what you want this time of year. >> brad lij taking a ton of heat in philadelphia. blew his eighth save of this season yesterday, most in the big leagues. how is he reacting? >> well, you know, i think he seems fine. but you never know. a closer's job is such a tough one. if you remember, brad lidge went through a couple years of struggles in houston. in fact, he was taken out of the job in houston after he ran into trouble. gave up that home run to ail ber pujols in the playoffs. the phillies have to hope this is something they can weather. they don't have a lot of in house alternatives. he is the guy they have to turn to in the ninth inning. they have to hope he can bounce back and get through this tough stretch. what he's going through now under lines how unbelievable last year was. he went 49 for 49 in saves which is really unheard of. so it really shows how hard that job really is. >> first pitch in about an hour on espn.

peter pascarelli, we appreciate your time on espnews. >> great. thank you, steve. let's talk as. one swing of the bat from the eight hitter. mark ellis, throw back. as win. chicago takes a hit in the al central bid to overtake detroit. yankees/marers and the beautiful pacific northwest. seattle putting up a touchdown lead on the yankees. ichiro two hits. johijima two hits with a homer. chamberlin got rocked in seattle. in arizona, ethier a three run homer in the first. randy wolf a pitcher with a two run homer, his first in five years. all dodgers in arizona, as l.a. avoids being swept for the first

time this season. stay current. that's the way it is. mark messier coming back to the rangers in their front office. john carney signing with the new orleans saints. derrick brooks working out for the raiders. for the latest on all those stories, go to espn koom. coming up on our next show with mike yam and hopefully one other anchor, the pga championship. it is almost over. doesn't look good for tiger woods. mariners prevent a sweep. got to stick around. a new world record. a new world record. i'm steve forty

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next on espnews, the most dominant force in golf, dominant through three days, looks to put a bow on the pga. the world's fastest man dominates like no other human has before. bolts into the history books at the world championships. yankees dominated like no other team since the all-star break. today a chance to open up their largest lead in three years. and he's dominated racing for three years and counting. jimmie johnson chases victory at michigan for the chase four weeks away.

welcoming you inside the espnews room. kevin connors and mike yam keeping you current. we are learning one thing. you do not want to be in the final day of a major paired with y.e. yang. >> yang came in two strokes behind actually all tide with paddy harrington who is no longer in the conversation of winning the pga championship. surprising thing may be tiger woods also not going win this thing. yang on top of the leader board at 7 under. the the biggest shot of the day for yang came on 14. it was an eagle. maybe the most surprising thing, tiger woods at 6 under. a stroke behind tp only other time woods has ever lost a tournament after holding the lead after three rounds, got to go back to 19d 96. both guys on the 18th hole. tiger at this point needs a miracle in order to win the pga

championship. doesn't look like he's going to be able to get it. y.e. yang your leader. keep in mind as soon as this thing is over, you want to be right here with us on espnews. we'll get the reaction from tiger woods, not to mention more analysis. we'll show you what exactly took place in the final round of the pga championship. last two sprint cup races have been post pond until the next day by rain. clear skies at 2 eastern. and today's race. but lap five. look at the windshield of joey logano. nothing coming down. then it starts pouring. red flag comes out. three laps later. forcing the cars to pit. brian vicar, what happened? >> all of a sudden we went down turn one and the bottom just fell out of the sky. they threw the caution. then it got even worse the next lap. now it's sunny again. who knows what's gonna happen?

>> maybe a job as a meteorologist would be nice. just don't know. don't have to be right. kind of cool, this morning there was a 0% chance of rain on the weather channel. and here we are. >> all right, jimmie johnson versus mark martin. first half of the race. two drivers battle for the lead. johnson and martin on lap 24. lap 95, this time martin passing johnson on the inside. takes the lead right back. three laps later. leaders on pit road. johnson's pit crew does a great job changing tires. johnson and martin exit. you can see johnson beating him by inches to the line. and j.j. retakes the lead. lap 21. view from kurt busch's car. david reagan gets loose, spins right into busch. both cars spin off the track. busch's car severely damaged. went to the garage for repairs. see his crew would put on an entirely new front end of the car.

47 laps to go on the restart. several drivers battling for the lead. dale earnhardt jr. ends up taking the lead on the outside. he is your new race leader. 44 laps to go. 12 car getting sandwiched in between two other cars. ends up spinning out. no other cars hit stremme. 39 laps to go on the restart. johnson passes vickers again at the restart. and again he retakes the lead. johnson has never won at michigan. three laps to go. johnson was leading but he runs out of gas. critical decision on the pits. johnson made the wrong decision. and eventually the driver who would capitalize would be brian vickers. won the nationwide race on saturday.

he goes on to take the checkered flag here in the carfax 400. first win on the sprint cup circuit this season. celebrating. brian vickers is the winner of the carfax 400. it's his first win in 87 races. first sprint cup series win for the red bull racing team. jeff gordon finishes in second place in both michigan races this year. vickers making a big move, 13th overall in the standings. it was the fastest man on planet. you do not want to miss an electrifying performance by a man named bolt. and y.e. yang is your winne

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and it is over. the pga championship. your winner, y.e. yang. second career pga tour victory for him. his first career major win. all becomes the first asian to win a men's major. tiger, it's his first loss while holding a lead in the final round of a major. he is now 14-1. an unbelievable finish for a guy that really no one thought was going to lose. thought it was going to be tiger woosd. we will hear from tiger. we'll hear his news conference. we will show you how this all played out, the final round of the pga championship. in top gun, maverick said, i feel the need, the need for speed. i didn't do it right. but because we can't go back to but because we can't go back to released, the best we can offer is a race that features a world champion and the previous and current world record holders in the 100 meters. tyson gay sufficient faerd groin

injury. would love nothing more to wipe a smile off bolt, who has twoid his competition. there is mr. bolt. and tyson gay. the american looking to unseat bolt. once again dealing with a groin injury. bolt in lane number four. he is taller and faster than everyone else. gay in lane number five. bolt just blowing everyone out of the water here. crosses the finish line in a world record time of 9.5 breaking his own record. gay beats a personal best of 9.71. probably thinking how do i top this? just like beijing trx bolt just pulling away from everyone el. his record at the olympics 9.69. once again has a new world record in the men's 100 meter final at the world track and field championship that took place in berlin. bolt won the olympic gold in beijing last year. gay set the american record. he finishes second. former world record holder

powell goes third. you've seen bolt's record breaking performance today and his olympic performance at beijing last summer. shows you how drastically times have dropped over the past 25 years. more than .02 have been dplopd that span. where as in the previous 14 years before 1983, no one could best jim heis time set in 1968. baseball now. dodgers pitchers was released from a phoenix hospital, less than 12 hours after taking a line drive off the head. happened in the sixth inning of the loss to the d backs. kuroda was diagnosed with a concussion but rejoined the team this afternoon. hes a been cleared to fly back home with the club. following today's series finale. arizona gunning for the three game sweep. dodgers lead down to 4 1/2 to start the day. top four. it's the pitcher.

randy wolf. first home run since 2004. comes off the pitch. dodgers took a 5-0 lead. they would win it by a final of 9-3. l.a. had lost six of eight and gone 8-14 in their previous 22 games. but they get off the snide. win snaps a three game skid. russ ki ryal's first homer with the d backs. david wright was put on the dl yesterday. mets manager jerry man well was asked if bright could miss the rest of the season. he respond, it's a possibility. he was released from the hospital today diagnosed with a concussion. mets without wright, playing the giants at citi field. game tied at two. daniel murphy. flyball to right side. jeff francore will come around to score. fourth walk off win for the

season for new york and their first since may 29th. new york has now won 10 of 1 against the giants. 6 of their last 7 against hall. kas still lo hit his first home run of the season. hasn't homered in 333 this year. that's the most in the bigs without a home run. san francisco has lost five of seven. rockies/marlins game one of the double dip. colorado two up on florida. bottom seven. right back up the box. looking to score. marlins go on to win game one 10-3. johnson left game one in the first inning with a strained right happen string. he is listed as day to day. and ramirez bangs out his seventh consecutive multihit game. aaron cook seven earned over just 2 1/3 innings. marlins chances to pull even atop the wil card with a game in game two. we'll update that score coming

up. we will keep you updated on the progress of mark sanchez. news out of jets camp today. plus the latest on michael vick. his second day of practice with the eagles. why it vemabled day one. plus we remind you that once tiger woods steps to the podium, news nuds has you covered. we will bring you tiger's thoughts here on espnews following his loss in the championship round of the pga. y.e. yang is your 2009 pga champion. i'm racing cross country in this small sidecar,

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that is all perception. we started a war on the perception that there were weapons of mass destruction. we did not find any weapons of mass destruction. i'm here to tell you there are weapons of mass destruction called television. it's one of the most powerful things ever created by man and if you don't understand the power of it it can have a tremendous effect on your life, your community and culture. now it's not going away. i'm not here to say -- you can't tell a young person to turn the tv off. what we need to do is begin to give these young people some reality, some understanding of what it takes to be a man or woman. give them the understanding of what it took for this family, your family to survive some of the things you have gone through

and when you look back as i was listening to tim talk about his life thinking there are so many parallels, i too sabrue of in a very strange and unusual life born and raised norfolk virginia segregation, with most my life until i graduated from college and what we then called colored town. one of the students of mass resistance voted when i was about 12-years-old to be the one most likely to end up in prison. and not a bad kid in terms of the reality, but the perception. my purse with perception is i wanted to be known as a tough kid wasn't really tough, scared to death most of my days and i had gotten into some trouble, actually broke into a school, interesting to break into and didn't want to be there. couldn't get me to go there on time. [laughter] but the first chance i got a broken to one. i couldn't imagine what i was

looking for. but i got caught. and the word got back to my father who by the way i didn't know was my father until 9-years-old. i didn't live with him, mike live with my grandmother. my father came to me and said young man, i understood you want to be a good mom. i'm going to give you two options. you can come live with me and go to school or i will kill you. [laughter] i said let's see, school or deaf, i will take school for 20, alex. and it turned my life around. like most people in the book, somewhere along the line, some old, maybe a man in some cases, a man in my life came at the right time, did a little correction, just a little information, a little resistance, a little cold hard truth and put me on the proper

path. that's all it takes. sometimes we get bogged down in life and think it takes so much to change the life of a young person. sometimes all it takes is a day. sometimes only it takes an hour. one day i was on my way to join the air force and i was going down church street and i -- we talk about angels. this is one of my angels. a guy pulled over and said young man, i am trying to get to virginia beach, can you tell me how to get there? i said good on five blocks and mccullough of virginia beach boulevard and go down 20 minutes about 18 miles straight south -- i said look the recruitment center, i'm going down the street i will ride with you and tell you where to turn. i jumped in the car and he had on a jacket that said florida a&m and i said where are you from he said i am a teacher in

the summers i come out and work as a waiter and either atlantic city or virginia beach to make extra money. sometimes i make as much money in the summer as i do eight in the entire year as a teacher. i'm looking for this club, they are hiring. by the time i rode with him six blocks he said what are you going to do? i said i'm going to join the air force. he said white, you just got out of high school. i said i didn't do well in high school. i'm not well with navy, i don't like the uniform, the bell bottom pants don't work for me. laughter coastline joining the air force. so literally and three blocks he said with a minute, do you have money? i said no. >> he said you can't go to the surface without pocket change. i will give you $20 if you show me how to get to virginia beach. i said okay. 20 bucks. as we ride down, he tells me about school. total stranger. we get down, go to the club,

they are not hiring but tell about an older gentleman, can't think of the, cavalier hotel. this older gentleman says well, there is a place, with a private place they are probably higher in. we get there and the guy says i'm only hiring one. i said i don't want a job i'm going to the air force. the guy looks at me and says look, you need a job, i think i'm going to atlantic city and he leaves me and i take the job and i support myself for three years and send myself through college because i made some i had to do something with it, why not go to college? one person, one day in my life changed my life. it isn't always the big story. it's always something you're praying for. it could be a small thing. some young people are very

impressionable and i hope this book reaches many of them but it is going to take you not only getting the book but reading the book and approaching these people letting them know that sometimes it can be just as simple as improving one's character. thank you. [applause] >> our second to last speaker tonight is a classmate of my fathers as add morals beth mentioned, paul galanti and he spent several years in the infamous hanly hilton in vietnam. so in my editor's note i began with a normal introduction but i found a story that i fought did such a splendid job of telling who paul galanti is and what kind of man he is and i and with

that with someone else's words rather than mine. to truly appreciate commander paul galanti and what he has to say you have to somehow come to appreciate the magnitude would he endured during the years he lived as a prisoner of war in vietnam. i had done enough research to know for example he and his fellow pows were routinely subjected to torture sessions that had been designed to inflict excruciating physical and mental damage. i also knew the sessions lasted days or hours. i asked him once because i couldn't imagine how he managed to let the relentless suffering destroy him. i was prepared for any answer except the one i got. it was a pain in the neck he pulled me matter of factly, and eight pissed me off. but he went on we all knew the best that could happen -- worst that could happen is they did

kill you than you were lucky, you got to go home. the only thing paul f. committed to finding a challenge was isolation which he described as pretty rauf so you can only imagine how horrific that must have been. and he wasn't being glib with his answers, far from it in fact the courage and fortitude with which he spoke that day staggered me. i felt as i got the essay the boat schoolboys. captain strachan was shot down january, 67 almost seven months after commander paul galanti had been taken prisoner. he was beaten, tortured and placed in isolation in the same prison where commander paul galanti was held. each day several prisoners in the isolation room were assigned the duty of collecting and washing the dishes and buckets used to serve the ones daily meal. this was the only human contact

captain statin had the first few days and his isolation cell. in his essay he describes what happened next. it is guys would do the dishes, buckets and armpits taking their sweet time making a hell of a racket. but wait a minute, they were not talking to each other, they were talking to the rest of us as if they were talking to each other. if you read me cough once for yes, twice for know. are you airforce? mazie? buck off. 05? cough cough. 04? cough. another lt. cmdr. do you one who won the army and navy game cough cough. adel commander at that. jim stockdale and raviv rice are the ranking officers. there will start communicate tall cost when they get around to torturing you hold out as long as you can, bounce back and

make them to put all over again. don't despair when they break you. they have broken all the fuss. pray. cough. my name is paul galanti. during the universal danger signal as i later found out, paul galanti was hauled out of the cell and tortured and i did not see him again for three years. i am honored to introduce to you one of the greatest men i know, my friend, commander paul galanti. [applause] >> yes, one thing about being on the same stage is he and replete made it easier to stand higher than somebody in the class of

the naval academy. [laughter] wholley, a lot has happened since we talked on this book, but today is especially significant, monday morning, 6:27, thomas james our first grand slam was born and when he learns how to read your book will be the first thing that he reads. [applause] he lives up here three-quarters of a mile. so we are not that far apart, three blocks apart. unfortunately the one that i introduce all the time as my better 75% is probably the reason i am here in richmond because she became quite a heroine when i was overseas. am i bitter 75%, fell less -- pyllis gilanti. [applause] i don't have anything to talk about. my marine friends described my

experiences as being a p.o.w. and said galanti, you are the luckiest so beat. you were in the navy 20 years and only had to make one cruce. [laughter] most of that was overseas shorty. laughter come so everything's relative. i grew up in sort of young forest gump. every place we went something was happening. some big news even and we were there. as a kid we lived in japan, my dad was a law officer. we lived in japan during the korean war so i got to watch all these things as an 11 year old with stars in his eyes looking at jet airplanes comparatively new. i got to meet all of the air force bases, jim chaparral and debbie cernansky because we went to the same hotel they did and it was an interesting way to

grow up. i knew what i wanted to do when i was a little kid in fourth grade at fort leavenworth kansas just before i went over there and saw captain chuck yeager flying the secret shooting star at an air show and i knew what i wanted to do and i got there -- current chief of naval operations and a slew of other people and when things got rough in hanoi my mind what flash back to those days where i was learning by military transit stuff from the brits and we had the privilege that will sergeants that told everything were the naval academy where even if you couldn't do something you did it any way. if you are told to do something you did it, period. i am sitting here next to tim.

-- the u.k. are because my favorite rick daschle ever and will send you, sir, i really liked -- [laughter] but of loni anderson -- [laughter] when i came home from vietnam the vietnam was awful. people were for their -- i learned this -- the good news -- [laughter] the good news about being in homily was i missed the whole antiwar stuff, the country blowing up and going crazy and they would tell us about it but we didn't believe them, the north vietnamese blood and the loved every bit of it and would read about these bad things happening but we were probably the last idealists in the entire world. we didn't know until three years after it happened and we found out about that just somebody

hanly handle the propaganda radio was talking about neil armstrong and visiting solfeggio icon has no need to tell with the motor is like. they can see it for themselves on the b-52 tracks. i said one of our guys must have gone to the moon. total isolation for six months, eight months, 3,042 days, get it was a great experience because i got to meet some of the neatest, finest men i had ever known in my life and i came back and found out isn't cool to be a donner any more. everyone is getting preferential treatment and when kelly and i started talking about this book is sort of live up as, equal or what, everybody has special treatment. [laughter] that is what comes from being on italian. i can't help it. [laughter] anyway.

let me put my hands in my pockets. i think this book is the most timely thing i've ever seen and i hope it goes well. i hope some of mom of st. christopher's gets a copy for every young man in the school and i hope some of the school board's let them read it because in every single one of the stories we are all a little bit different. something came now that made it cool to be because they made us put a crash helmet on on that with little tricks and so we wouldn't hurt our head like they do now and these car seats, give me a break. there is such a thing and see robie effect. it was kind of fun to jump in the car and go like the dickens. [laughter] but now you've got to be very careful, don't want anyone to get hurt and stuff and thanks to all of those trial lawyers -- governor wilder, ruth because

that sort of thing, there is no risk any more. the risk-taking has gone away. everything has to be failsafe and the thing that got me going was dreaming about flying fight airplanes when i talked or watched them fly, the blue ann jones and thunderbirds and yet now they talk about how safe it is. they come back bragging on cruisers. we didn't have an accident the entire cruise. they have computers flying airplanes now and staff. we both the with a for which i like to discuss the last airplane where the pilot was smarter than the airplane. [laughter] i'm going to talk about my classmate, last year at his funeral there were seven marines and me. marines but they are not really.

ripley was one of the biggest heroes i had ever known. i think of what he did, the reason he had to take so many trips to blow that up as our classmate -- so this bridge was built like the george washington bridge and he was under that getting shot out by tanks and troops, wounded three times, finally got 400 pounds and twisted off pepperidge if he hadn't done that i would still be in hanoi because the north vietnamese would have gone down and crashed south vietnam in 72 with no peace agreement and i would be over there so that his wife replete, one of my favorite guy is was a stalwart. snuffy smith, profiles in courage when he went south with the bosnia, scott o'grady had been shot down in an f-16 air force pilot. anyway, he came down and the

middle of bosnia and cnn started telling the world where he was showing maps of this year he is and on the ground running trying to invade and the bad guys watch cnn like everybody else trying to pick this guy up. snuffy is that admiral and carrier. the marines are ready to go with rescue the word from washington so we want to go at night, it's safer to go at night. no word from washington. on his own, snuffy launched the force to get this guy. two of the chopper's got on the way back. [laughter] to of the chopper's got hit on the way back if one of them had gone down snuffy would have gotten home by the neck until dead yet he had the courage to do that because at washington they are sitting there looking at each other and forming a big -- doing a staff study on that

benefit analysis and should we -- we might make somebody mad and so anyway, that was not a smile of snuffy in his wisdom punched the button and the marines got o'grady out otherwise they would have captured and killed him. my heroes. three things i learned from my experience on hanoi and i think they are in the book, too that will experience, 2,432 days i talked french, learned spanish and german and a little bit of russian and i learned a lot of stuff, i taught a lot of stuff and can mount a much better person than the lieutenant who went into that place. lieutenant commander "a better i came out and was a totally different guy and i had been very positive ever since but the three things i learned from solitary confinement and beatings and just --

[laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] i learned i wasn't as tough as i thought i was. we were all smart but we were pretty tough at the naval academy and i used to think -- there's no way i went through the survival school and was a piece of cake and i didn't like that either but i got through. it was no big deal. this could be a piece of cake. i found out i wasn't really as tough as i thought i was and i needed help. i needed people i could turn to and use for examples. the other thing was no matter how bad i thought i had in some of those times were all full there was always somebody else that had it worse and i think about what they were going through and all of a sudden my personal plight didn't seem so bad and finally the last thing and it's on my signature on the

e-mail and a lot of doors is the thing i remind myself every morning there is no such thing as a bad day when you have a door knob on the inside of the door. [applause] >> well, our last speaker certainly needs no introduction but i am going to give him one anyway. from all outward appearances, doug wilder's start in life was impossibly difficult. the grandson of slaves, he grew up poor and in the segregated south. yet, his name will be recorded in every history textbook from this generation forward. why? because doug wilder is the first african-american in the history

of the country to be elected governor of a state and not just any state, but his home state of virginia, the former capital of the confederacy. he could experience any measure of success in the face of so much injustice and hardship is all in spy ring and he would rise above to become governor of virginia is nothing short of miraculous. however, as he will tell you in his essay, he was raised with certain intangible that made it more possible even for him to succeed at whatever he chose to do. doug wilder is a force of nature as charming in person as he is demanding. his unparalleled success through his political and professional career is due in no small part to his take no prisoners style. he is alternately portrayed as the quintessential southern and gentleman or the fierce politician.

however, in that time i have spent with him, i have found him to be neither of these extremes. i meant governor wilder for the first time i went to his office to ask him if he would consider writing a essay for this book. i began my pitch by talking about him, his life,, his career and all of the experiences he had overcome and accomplished. he brushed that aside with a smile. he wasn't interested in talking about himself. instead, as he mulled over i request he began telling stories about his mother and father's and the ways they had softened the jacket quarter for he and his siblings so it never threatened to consume their lives. he reminisced about the older black man in his neighborhood where he grew up who, having no real opportunity to go to school themselves instilled in him a profound understanding of the importance of education.

they offered themselves up as living examples of opportunity lost and forged a deep appreciation for the power of a strong wind. at one point toward the end of the meeting he stood up from his desk and walked stack of papers neatly arranged on the stand and brought them over for me to see. they were the letters he received from the children across virginia and he seemed to remember the names and faces of each one he had met and was obviously moved and invigorated by the memory. i am part of the older generation now, he says in his essay. and we are charged with the task of successfully installing in your generation and understanding and an appreciation of speechifies that have been overcome and what it takes to overcome them. i like to think that this line came from those final moments

when he looked at the letters from the children reflected for a moment at the innumerable awards and honors that blanketed his ball and then turned and told me to add his name to my list. i am honored to introduce virginia history making governor, the honorable doug wilder. [applause] >> thank you very much. paul, i start off like you did. [laughter] i came late because i wanted everyone to say everything they had to say before i got here. [laughter] truth of the matter i was prowling over lost on st. catherine's campus for about 15 minutes. when you have to drive yourself these days. [laughter]

it is hard to get around. i wouldn't miss this for anything. my good friend, chief justice was sitting here as you know and in the essay he speaks of a word that really impressed me. he spoke of civility and he described how it was such a great part of george washington's life and how it was something he carried with him through every aspect even when he was in civilian life. and i think it's something that should be a part of that fred for the society today. and there have been so many instances in the development as a nation has team lead eloquently describes people that have come together that a nation

has endured so much and you are right, i do feel i was lucky to have been born when i was born and people say what do you think you could do now with the advantages that are out there for kids. i said look what thomas jefferson could have done if he had a computer. you don't talk about what could have been. you talk about what is. and when i see that i'm lucky i'm lucky because of what you described with society, the community. everybody was concerned with that community. everyone was concerned with the plight of the children, plight of the neighborhood, plight of the schools, everything. it wasn't a question of this

group or this other thought that and to the extent i was lucky enough wood to have parents that valued education really valued it they made it very clear that was the only way unless you got smart you state, and dom people run absolutely nothing. and i never really wanted to do too much other than to be as good as i could be with whatever it is lighted. when i was fortunate enough to have the barbershop as my forearm, and i would use eight, the shoeshine parlor across the street, or even the pool hall delaware i ultimately had my first floor office over top of it, 31st street and churchill will. those people and places

encourage all of us to stay in school, to be certain to participate in government i was charged with the responsibility back in the early parts of the 50's and 60's when voter registration was to be the key there was a yellow book they would put out and he would hang that book up in the barber shops and you know the barber shop is the house for everybody. everybody has got to have their say. you see that show on television, the barbershop. the philosophers of the world are better than the wino's on the corner stop because they will step up, they know everything. so the guys in the barbershop would say if his name is not in that book that osnos because we will shut him up and i would be the first to run to that book, about 16, his name is not here, then shut up. don't you speak about anything that you know.

if you know something you should be registered, you should vote. i don't care if it is a tax, pay it. and when you consider that on too many occasions today our society across the board, not unnecessarily class, has said to the youngsters that they don't have to be the best. they settle for that mediocrity just want to get by. you and i know we have some high school students graduating today from college. what i say, high school students credit rating from college which means the college degree they get in some places are not worth the high school degrees or diplomas that we got. they didn't know what calculus was. you speak to kids about algebra today or proper pronunciation

today and they think that you are as some would say talking white. that nonsense that swept through some portions of the nation some few years ago when they were speaking about ivan axson -- ebonics. they would ask me and debate about ebonics, this language you had to speak. what do you have to say about it? when they start speaking it on wall street, let me know. [laughter] that's the time to do it. our kids need to be challenged. you are right, tim, they are coming from all over the world but when they are coming they are coming with two and three disciplines. they are coming with degrees, two or 3 degrees and coming

ready to work to the extent they are going to have a drop of society. i am fortunate. we have lost the civility. in the other instance we have too many young people waiting for someone to tell them when it's time for them to move, waiting. and they will say i am going to -- what are you going to do? well, i don't know? what are you doing now? well, you know. i have had youngsters come to me that ask for the recommendations for scholarships for various places and one school when i was in the state senate the senators consider to military school in virginia military institute each senator could send kids there for free.

i had youngsters come there and he had excellent paper work in front of him on grades. i didn't have it at the time, it was in an envelope. i said what are you here for? well, you know, i hear you can make a recommendation for me. i said i can't hear you. [laughter] well, you know, i was told i want to go to school of their -- [inaudible] i said is your name such and such. you are this person here? yes. you have got a' all the way through. how did that happen? is this you? [laughter] yes, that's me. and it was like a metamorphosis. he started being there a real person that he was. i said then why did you talk that way to me when you first came in? he said well, you know, people accuse you of being accused or trying to put on or trying to be smarter than they are.

i said then that is what you want to be. you want to be smarter than the next person, you want to be the next you can be, you want to live up to the highest possibility of your attainment. now your parents might not have the education in many instances that they could have had. and that is where we need to start. not just with the kids. we have got to start with the parents. we can't allow the parents to believe someone is going to raise their children. we can't allow the full force to believe they can be the father at the time those kids are able to play a sport. that's my son. but was he your son when he needed help and support? and needed someone to guide him or her? we need to have these parents able to say to these kids know, you were going to do one or two things, either get a job or you

are going to go to school and help yourself there, too. and there has to be a cutoff of time. we have the build in, tim, it was built in your home i know most of you, it was built in in my home because my father said i don't have money to waste. and i will tell you what, all my efforts, ten altogether, eight siblings, not going to be able to send all of you to college. not going to be about to send any of you to college but i'm going to guarantee all of you high school. i only had one home my entire life, 28 and p street. my father built that house, paid for that house. his father who was a slave built his house across the street. now if those two men could have these big families and build their own homes and have it so

we knew the comfort of the family we didn't have to worry whether renting was going to come from or who our neighbors were going to be and we understood we had to go to school because my father said if you don't do that you can't stay here. i told my mother why was going to run away from home. she said boy, you can't do that. i said i am, let everybody know it. so she did tell my father. she told him. he said ali understand you want to run away from home? i said yeah, did my mother tell you that? yep. he said tell me where you want to go and i will carry you. [laughter] we don't do that today. we want them to be our bodies, our pals.

my granddaughters and grandsons were asking -- my daughter asked me what did she want me to call them. but do they want -- what do you want them to call you? a lot of people like to be called -- i said i am their grandfather, call me brandt dad. that is the shortest i'm going to make it. the need to know there is a figure in their lives they respect because family is all you have and finally i would say that there isn't anything you can't do to these youngsters. you make up your mind when you want to do, you can do it. you can do we in this country and i am not talking as a result what happened in the last four, five, six, ten or 20 years. that is always what i was taught. always talked notwithstanding how things may be today you worked for the better day because you could cut it and that is why i always would say

that a little poem i usually say to kids is i am persistent until i succeed because i was not delivered into this world in defeat nor does defeat run through my blood or the blood of my ancestors. i am not some sheep waited to be prodded by the distant shepard. i don't want to know the sheep because the slaughterhouse of failure is not my destiny and i will persist until i succeed however they do with persist until they succeed. thank you. [applause] >> next we are going to open up for questions and answers. i know i have some questions people have sent but if you have a question for one of the minn

or me you would like to ask you can step up to the microphone and asked them your questions and if we thought we had trouble with microphones before, get ready. we are all going to have to speak up because this is the only projecting microphone. those are actually for c-span. so theatrical voices, gentlemen. and if you please state your name and the question is for. >> my name is steve sat work and my question is for mr. tim reid. most interested in your view of media, the power of media and culture is undeniable but we almost always seem to talk about and look at the media as a negative influence and is there some suggestions you might have on how to filter the media so that it is positive or are there people out there doing positive things in the media that maybe we are missing?

>> yes, there are people doing positive things however i think the issues about the media of rest on ourselves. i think most of us not only don't understand the media, but we are afraid of the media. the media is just that. it is not a living breathing thing. we haven't been able to put a transistor and and yet so it is just a thing. it is what i consider a negative word in history books but a word i think is neither negative four positive and that is propaganda. when someone revolts and takes over town what is the first thing the takeover, radio station, news station to take over the propaganda. we have to understand as communities and if we don't control or have some say so within our communities about the information coming into the communities to the young people we will lose control of the communities because the media is

that powerful. to tell a young person to tell off the television or don't go on the computer, you cannot guard them 24/7. they are going to go on there. so we have to teach our young people the responsibility of the media. the responsibility. i and in show business against censorship and censoring the feet r word, be word, whatever it is because you teach the power of words. if a person knows the powerful word they will have better respect for the word. to tell young person not to say the word they will find another word, they will come up with another meaning that if you teach the power of the work, teach people the power of media and they will have more respect and hopefully begin to put responsibility into the media. what is lacking in the media today is responsibility. we are not holding the media responsible as a community. you have to hold it responsible and how do you do that?

you stop. you call your local station and say i don't want this garbage coming in my neighborhood or if you are going to have that garbage you have to give something to balance that off so you have to be more responsible in your communities and why now we are not being responsible as consumers of media. the more responsible what happens to just about anything in lives but the most powerful things that comes in our house and that is the media. >> felt johnson and i have a question for tim seibles. did any of your friends get to a hard time when you quit football for poetry? >> not really. i think for the most part -- i've been to school in texas, grew up in philadelphia. my friends from philadelphia by the time i started -- i was only

home christmas and a little while in the summertime once i got to college so i think some of them might have been disappointed that i didn't become as we all fantasize about because i was one of the few that went to college and actually played a little college ball so i think some of the hopes of the neighborhood were resting on me so when i didn't become a pro i don't think anyone -- i didn't get a hard time but maybe you get someone looking at you out of the corner of the i like what happened but what really hassled but the dudes i played with in college, that was different because those guys, you know, we were football players for a little while together and just kind of thought what happened man? did you go soft? [laughter] what is with this poetry thing? [laughter] but as i said, the name of my essay in the book is how hard headed and that is one of the things that saved me.

once i made up my mind, you know, to do it, i was going to be a poet and i was still a pretty big guy, no one was right push me around anyway, right? but yeah those guys might have been a little more rauf. the dudes who played the college level especially -- some of those guys did become pro, like athletes. some of them i've read about in sports illustrated before i got there so some of these guys were -- like that was their life, sports. i was lucky i had this other thing. my mother, i didn't get to mention this and we could probably write several essays about our lives. my mother had been in high school english teacher so one of the things i was going to know if i was going to be breathing in that house was how to read and write so i had that as a skilled so there was a path i could take away from sports that probably most of the guys who were the friends on the team that wasn't an option they had.

they were all going to suddenly become writers. they didn't have the level of ability but language i did. at the time i didn't think of myself as a profoundly talented guy but in retrospect they realized i did know things about words a lot of guys who were jocks, quote on quote didn't. .. . >> one of the experiences in our

military history. listens to you tonight i don't hear any bitterness about your experience. i hear a very positive description of what must have been a tremendously tragic time. as a military officer, i would want to know how is it that you managed to come away with such a difficult experience without the bitterness? >> everything is relative. i kept thinking all my friends, the names on the wall, we have a lot of friends on there from the academy that were killed during war and training accident. it goes with the turf. most of us expected something bad to happened, which would be getting killed, we're trained for it, we went to survivor school. but weren't really prepared for the length of it. one thing they couldn't stimulate was we never knew when

it was going to be over. it was christmas '72 when i was sitting in the cell. i was sitting there trying to think christmas '65, '66, '67, '68, '69, '70. i've been a home for a long time. the commander called me up. according to you do you know what your wifes activities are? i said no, i get no mail. he said maybe that's why you don't get no mail. i don't know what he was doing. governor wilder is also a brown star. there aren't many of them of think i was the only one that ever commented on it.

and in the korean war, to be in the army is okay. >> other than admiral smith, you've described him as a hero. are there any people today that you feel are heros? and if you want tell us why? >> i'm sitting next to one of them. venus fly trap. [laughter] >> by the way, he's a friend of ours. he was the first mate, second maytag repairment, also station manager. >> that's right. >> i've got a lot of heros. i don't get hung up on turkeys. maybe that's one reason. there are a lot of novel people here that doing their best and a whole lot better than anyone

thought they were going to do. and they are heros to me. the ones that are trying hard and making it -- a lot of young people i know were given everything to a silver spoon. they frankly blew it. it's a classic second or third generation businesses that were built up from scratch. the second generation sort of let it to go pot. just a lot of them. as i told first president bush, he said if you want to sent me here, here's what we have to do. if you don't want to do that, we don't want to go. bush said he wanted to pick up that radio and get right inside the ears of the squad leader. he wanted to pick the phone up, but he didn't. once they punched the button, gulf war was over in three weeks.

anyways, we have a whole bunch of -- he's one of mine for what he did. that's a bunch of other stuff. besides, anybody -- any admiral named stuffy has to be a neat guy. >> name calling. thank you. >> yes, my name is shawn kelly. i'd like to thank all of you for saying yes to do this book. i think it's a really great book. i appreciate everything that i've read. it's really incredible. it'll be mandatory reading for my sons. but military and the teaching profession and entertainment community activist, thank you very much for that. my question is for admiral smith. can you give any advice for how

we can call young men to certification, and i don't mean military but service to our country and communities and service in general to really boost their betterment and our country's betterment? >> when we were talking about the media earlier and telling the media i don't want you to hear. what i really was thinking about at that point was the responsibilities of family and parents have to cause young people to think your themselves about important things. we sometimes tend to think -- you mentioned it, we tend to not give the kind of guidance and direction that is required. we tend to accept mediocrity. we don't cause our young people to really understand what's important. i truly believe the young men and women with whom i serves,

and you know exactly right, there are wonderful people out there today. i've got a couple of sons-in-law and a daughter in the service. i looked at them and i know that something caused them to come. there's no common thread otherwise they understand what the united states is all about. most of them come in a a sense of responsibility that this ain't free. and it's a good place to learn things. i really believe it's part of a growing up process. but it's all starts at home with the teaching the people young men and women to think for themselves. >> hello, my made is reed good, i'm a graduate of st. christopher school. i thank you all for coming and getting involved in the topic that we talk a lot about being an all-male school.

having a father figure and a family has got to be a major influence in building betterment. and i would ask any of you that -- we at the beginning of a new era with our new president barack obama that -- are we out of time now where a lot of people that didn't think they could get anywhere in this world for whatever reason now may think that they can and that there's time for excuses maybe over with now that anybody can do anything. and will that allow for or turn so many people that had been inresponsible and had children and left them for other people to raise, will they now say maybe i can be something and i need to be involved in my children's life and to raise

them? could this be a beginning of a new era? >> of course there's a perception of reality. there's a perception that make people sag. but the other perception, and i think obama, particularly a black man in the white house, you know, of course he is a european and african-american heritage and his skin is brown, that certainly will change some of the dynamics. but of course you still have a lot of other difficults. and people faced those things advanced. you still have racism in active force in this culture still. i think on the thought of slipping into -- i do think that it's still there. you're going to have issues of poverty, and you still have

issues of self-esteem that make it hard for people to believe that they could inhabit the white house. yes, i certainly think obama's presence there that the perception that here is a man who 50 years ago couldn't have sat on -- gone to a lot of hotels or sat in a movie theater who is now president of the country. and perhaps men of color and poor white kids if you want to stretch it about what is possible in these circumstances. >> i think one of the most important things said during the election -- past election, was said by obama but he didn't write it. it was written by alice walker. we are the ones we have been waiting for. i don't know of all the die willing, that particular phrase as stuck with me. as i travel around the country and listen to what's going on

and through the media, i don't think that we realize, i mean, putting -- saying obama is there, yes, it's a positive imagine. but that's one man. and i think we set ourselves up for failure if we rely on that imagine as the sole tipping point to our future. i don't think he is the tipping point, i think he is the glorious part of our presence and in terms of his few and his ability to governor. i think we are the ones responsible for our future. when i say we, it's is simple thing. when you look back you get a different view sitting in a military facility talking to a young americans. the difference in sitting in streets originally talking to some guy is different. it's a different perspective. what i'm finding i'm concerned about, we americans, we've

become very negative whining people. everywhere i go i hear people talk about, you want to talk about something negative. i can say one word and everyone will agree it's a negative. you say post office and everyone in the room goes that's right. do you know that we have the best postal system in the world. do you know you can most park and a little box in any corner and in a matter of week to two weeks it will there. try to do that in italy or any country in the world. how many of you travel? do you go to italy and you want to send a most card back, you all beat them home. people ask, i thought you were in italy. but you hear a politician, they say the we have the best postal system in the world. people wouldn't say that. perception, it's not good

politics. you hear them saying too much government. maybe don't run for office, you'll be one less government. he spends $10 million to get in government and says too much government. why didn't you think about that, we could have used that to build schools or put books in the library. the perception that we have all these things wrong. there's a lot of things better than we give them the reality for in this country that we need to start looking at. you are a young person to have some feeling about its future, you better stop telling him that he has no future, that the world is going to hell in a hand basket. start telling people, things are better than we thought. if you don't start giving them positive information, you don't stop calling out negative things, they are going to turn

on. you trained that young main. be careful what you name your kids and what you tell them. when i was a kid, they were always asked the question, what are you doing to be when you grow up? i don't care what it was. i'm going to be a cowboy. well, be a good one. it was that what are you doing to be? what's your future? kids today, nobody cares what a kids going to be. i just hope he stays out of prison. i think it's us. i think we have to be more responsible and we better start speaking positive reality into our children. i would care if they are black, white, rich, or poor, the poorest can become the best and the best can become the poorest. if you don't start thinking positive, it's going to affect them. >> i later -- lady came in with

two grand nephews. one boy this high and the other one a little higher. she said i wanted them to meet you. she heard about you. they say we've read about you. and in our fourth grade books and in history. and them one of them said, well, haven't you been dead? [laughter] >> and then, and then she said to them tell him what you're going to do. one looked at me and said i'm going to be the president of the united states. and the other said i'm going to be the governor of virginia. and so its the image that's out there. the opportunity for them to see. it's absolutely right. it's not just for the kids, it's

for the world to see. i happen to have been in saudi arabia the day or two after the election. even then spirits were so uplifted. surely after that i was in another country. spirits uplifted as well. people all over are watching. but when those kids start saying to their parents what they are going to be, that puts the parents to say yes, you can. what's your job to be to help them get there. you're point is well taken. it's a moment and a window of opportunity that we need to take advantage of. >> in many communities of color, racism was perhaps kind of a quiet conspiracy.

everyone knows that obama could not have been elected without white and colored communities. i think that changes the dynamic of how some young people imagine the culture of america. >> we have about two minutes. we will have time for one last question. >> i address my question to each of you. my question is more about our culture and women in our culture. and how as women have changed and they have changed their society, probably many of you know, in college today women are the scholars. more than 50% of our doctors and lawyers are women. and i think that has changed the dynamics. of course you are all of a certain age where you have traditional roles. it was very clear cut you were to be the provider and the wife was going to stay at home. and we had different roles. i think today it's harder for men to carve out what their role

is supposed to be. what are they supposed to be? and how, i wondered if you could speak to that in terms of where you see the next generation fulfilling that role and how they find their way into becoming the men they want to be as their culture has changed so much. i know it's a big question. >> just a -- >> think of your daughters and grand tower daughters. >> this is for the guy that should have been the first black president. there's no portrayal of white males in any kind of favorable sense. if there's a white guy, he's the clown. he's the fat guy and heros. i'm not sure where this is coming from. i don't know -- our boys that they can do anything they want to do. they have to work for it and do

whatever. i don't know. role models, i can go into demographics and i've had a lot of naval academy when they had the first women in four classes of them. they were treated horribly. they still are. it's awful. so say, i was the most popular guy, i gave the same women away twice at two different weddings. i have all sons and no daughters. but she -- i gave her away. she was a navy captain. but it's a different career pattern. and they do 24/7. it's a -- when i went into the military, it's a navy wanted you to have a wife, they would issue you one. and now the young female, single parent, they can't do 24/7 because they have kids to take

care of. the largest single item in military construction was day care centers for unmarried. give me a break, that's not real smart. it causes a major problem. but apparently what the population wants. unlike other countries we do what the public says to do. >> for being challenged, somebody who is a little bit less accepted. he was talking about women who didn't have the stamina. i looked him scare in the eye and said when's the last time you did an iron man? what's the last time you ran a half marathon on saturday and full marathon on sunday? when's the last time you were not very far from people who want to kill you? my daughter has done those. she's in the navy.

get out of my face. what we really need to understand, i mead made this comment in a panel, you may remember it. it was about women in combat. and the big argument was about if women should be in combat. hey, that's the wrong question. nobody in his right mind wants to be in combat. what they want is the same opportunity to serve in positions of leadership. in order to do that they have to serve in the same positions. and that's how it all started. >> if any of you have ever had the pleasure of going to israel and seeing the israeli female soldiers, i don't think you'd ask the question can a woman fight. i have no issues about the woman in the military. i would like to see more woman get more involved in government. i think we have a life on the balance. i think we need more feminism

power in government in particular. i think the world would be different. i'd like to see more women and more men step back in politics and business and to get more of a balance. i think we men have screwed things up a little bit and we are assumed. but we're still in charge. so we're going to do what we got to do. we'd like to see more women join and get more involved. what i say to my granddaughters and my daughters, i leave the gender side. i think basically be prepared to take charge, be prepared to lead. your life as an independent life, you don't have to follow your traditions of the mother or grandmother, you can lead your own. but be prepared. but keep your womanhood. don't try to become a man in terms of your thinking in terms of your philosophy. because that is the power that's

needed in that position. and that what i say to that. >> with regard to whether the rules for boys are not clearly defined, i don't know i've heard people say that. i like being a man. and i love women. and i want women to do well. i don't feel that there's because women have professional status, suddenly i don't know who i am. i know who i am. what i'd like to think the better man which in each case we're trying to encourage kids of whatever to do as much as they can and we'll be fine companions. i mean if i'm 6'3", 240, i'm not going to expect my wife to lift all the logs. should she do it?

i know what she can do and i know what i can do. those issues seem like common sense. if we permit each other to realize our full potential, we'll be good companions. it's really just that to me. >> we're going to tie it up. thank you for some answers, and thank you for that question. i'm going to take 30 seconds. i'm going to give you a 30 second message of what's something that i learned having interviewed these men that i want to pass on to you. that is this:if you decide you have some desire to be a better man, you have to start with that decision, if you decide that. that i have good news and bad news for you. the bad news, if you want to call it that, is that to be a good man is going to be acquire more courage, more persistence,

more sacrifice, and more self-control than you can even imagine right now. this is not an easy road. if it were easy, everyone would do it. i'm encourage you to make that choice, and i courage you to strive for it. i can promise you if you do and persist and you're courageous and know self-control and understand sacrifice, you will find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with these gentleman and the gentleman in this book. these are the men who's company you will keep. but you have to choose. you must choose. and i hope you choose wisely. so i thank my esteemed panel for their time, and i thank you all so much for coming taking time out of a beautiful summer evening to be here. these gentleman and i are going to do directly behind here to

the athletic building where they will sign books. the books are available for $25, cash, check, or charge. so i'm going to head them over there. i hope some of you will join us. thank you again, so much. [applause] >> kelly johnson is an attorney welcome writer, and mother who has written for magazines. the imperfect mom, candid

confessions of real women. for more information visit brandylanepublishers.com. >> radio talk show host brian jennings on alternatives to sensorship. he's interviewed on afterwards. >> this summer book tv is asking what you are reading? >> two books i recently finishes were the biography on benjamin franklin and partying the waters. they are different books. i need to find some time for the

"team of rivals." they also have a new book out "more than just race." those are two books. i have young children, and i'm sure we'll also be reading harry potter. >> to see more summer reading list and other program information visit our web site at booktv.org.