poke fun at, some of the banker to you. you didn't appear to like a lot of what you found. i understand you were picking out the things you didn't like but like myself you've lived here a number of years. why the hell do you stay in washington if you find it so uncomfortable? >> guest: i don't find that uncomfortable at all. this is a politically driven town. i was born inside the beltway across the potomac river it used to be part of the city of washington on to virginia went its way and i don't think there's that much negativity in the book at all i try to put a human face on these lawmakers we hear about every day. the eight years a good job of the book takes up eight years of the clinton administration because i started the column in '92 when bill clinton came in office as it happens that is the eight years and you have to admit it was a stormy eight years and i picked out more of the humorous stories that transpired during the clinton white house and the book ends on

9/11 and how that impacted me and my family and everybody else in america because that was right up to the time i finished writing the book. so i think anybody that reads inside the beltway i see that you have a paperback copy, it's on paperback now, will find a lot of humor is true tales that have been told inside washington that they will not have read anywhere else and just like "weed man" i picked out the finest stories like with the stored marijuana in the basements of churches and got more room on the island with 40,000 pounds of wheat and build a house out of the bales and i try to bring some humor to the beat which is what i've done. >> host: john, thank you very much. i've enjoyed this discussion and urge the few words to take a fresh look at marijuana smuggling and read "weed man." >> guest: thank you. i appreciate that very much. ..

>> the soviet army and task forces in 1991 since published in russia in his book the icebreaker and in this book he

argues a widely accepted theory regarding the origins of world war ii were erroneous. in his new book, it "the chief culprit" stalin's grand design to start world war ii" dr. suvorov furthers his ideas imprisons them with the intention previous from june 1941. it is our pleasure to have viktor here. >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your invitation. i am extremely proud to be here today. this subject we will discuss today is the start of the second world war. when i say and it "the chief culprit" i immediately feel some tension inside of the room because people say come on, the chief culprit is

dollar and. you mean hitler is not the chief culprit? i am understand what is political correctness year in the united states of america i live in israel, germany and poland and i am still alive. it is okay. i would like to explain one small thing because communist propaganda, hitler is a bad guy. everybody agrees with that. adolf hitler is a bad guy. he is a bad guy. he is a very bad guy. yes. but stalling by teeing against hitler. yes. it just takes 2 + 2.

adolf hitler bad guy and a solid fighting against the bad guys so staal when is a good guy. yes. and i say no. if one kills the other that does not mean it is good. and one alligator killing another alligator does not impacted the good one. because hitler is a bad guy, but does not mean staal one was a good guy. for me adolf hitler is a murderer, a criminal, and a criminal but because he is a criminal that does not need comrade stalin is not. what does comrade stalin,

[inaudible] is in his profession it is a bank robbery actually. later, conrad stalin the russian people have a different perception. from a russian concentration camp the way they look at him. if somebody discovered then people were murdered immediately. but before execution they could make a picture and keep it in the archive.

so let me just looking to 8%, adolph hitler and stalin because there is a lot of similarity. stolid deal with the socialism and adolf hitler dell was socialism but they say my socialism is right and the other is wrong and adolph hitler says no. mine is right and he is wrong. soldiers in the soviet union [inaudible] in the concentration camp exactly the same thing

one-party and all others in the concentration camp. so comrade stalin he always used a tough military uniform. he is a good communist. and adolf hitler they both like the military uniform. i always look what is the difference between hitler and stalin? hitler does not have a beer been a very famous mustache and comrade stalin has no beard but a famous mustache but it is the different it is the shape. look at that. [laughter]

actually the two big influence, the one great idea from the revolution from the other side, it is a kind of political. >> [inaudible] is. >> yes. [laughter] they think about the revelations. stolid always did as well because he understand, russia it is a star.

-- start. later we will get germany. it is the center. it is the homeland of marks. it has to be the evolution in germany. in november 1918 and the attempt to start second world war was november 1918. the red army made the first attempt to capture a country and come forward for germany. the second attempt, 1920 they

come from poland and the intention to come to germany to start to the revolution at least a revolution in germany it is russia and germany, it will begin a revolution. so after that it stops again. they tried 1923. it is a very strange thing. the main holiday in russia seven adhd -- seventh and eighth of november but injured a eighth and ninth of november. seven and eight other november and russia and 80 and nine of november why? because in 1923 it was an attempt to create a german

revolution and communist revolution and adolf hitler by teeing for that -- of fighting four that. hitler thought maybe just coming out from international communism from social capitalism -- socialism what is wrong with the electronics? thank you. this is the official coach of arm of the union soviet socialist republic. up through 1991 it was here in the russian embassy you could see such a thing.

can you see any kind of border with the soviet union? there is no border at all it is a symbol of communism over the globe. if adolf hitler made a swastika over the globe everybody would protest but four other people they think the hammer and sickle over the world, why not? after the attempt to create the evolution in germany, what to do next? there was a good idea why not to have a revolution? so if there is any revolutionary movement in any country in bulgaria, and so on

and so one. you say why not to create the industrial base in the soviet union? stop involving the movement it will create a very powerful red army and somehow it will start a second world war it will invoke the revolution. so after first world war it was a marvelous situation when nobody can start second world war germany completely they have no right to have a big army this submarines aviation and so on and so one so it cannot stop the second world war. so absolutely a defensive strategy and france with a loss of preparation they do

not start the second world war. they are thinking about how to keep the colonial empire. so we do not need anything or any changes in europe. the policy of insulation in the united states of america. so in this situation the soviet union will say it is wonderful for the surge -- soldiers if nobody canvas start second world war that is a great deal. -- great idea. but germans, i do like to train your commanders? they say yes. but it is a legal. stalin says it don't worry. you have to train your townspeople.

so germans come i do like to train your air force people in russia? they say it is very dangerous. stalin says i have the neff planes in russia and so it is a place where lufthansa was created actually. then it build the chemical facilities when you talk about the use of poison gas against people, it is the role of the soviet union. to say yes, but we have no right to. no problem. or leningrad? it had years submarines in leningrad. do you like to design and

build military aircraft? the germans say yes. there is a place in moscow where they were built in moscow and i said the interest of comrade stalin why is he doing that? what is the reason to build up their german military might? why? against two? against himself definitely. against all of europe. so starting with adolf hitler he called him icebreaker. icebreaker of the revolution. stalin had a loss -- a lot of enemies. and as they find good man comment nikolai said yes, why

not? they said destroy all of stalin and me. -- enemy. he is the bad guy and a good guy. stalin understands if he builds the german might up, up, up, the army itself will never start the war. so it has to be some later some very bad guy who is called adolf hitler was completed in two russian and was a person it was comrade stalin is so it was translated

and stalin like it very much. so in my new book i give the evidence. it was the situation and come a germans, were very, very popular but so popular but social democrat member to social democrat and communist altogether were more powerful. in 1932 adolf hitler is to a beriberi in trouble. very in trouble. so his movement comes up, up, up and now comes down.

there in very deep trouble, nobody and iffy lose the next election is a finished for the not the party he could have president or suicide or is the bout of the country. and only a miracle can help but it never happened. subtlety 10 fell to adolf hitler. number one, you have to fight against the social democrats it is the main enemy of our movement. against communist, number three biding for the democrat who is number two, and then he took power. hitler is in power and comrade

stalin and adolf hitler. you unite germany a and capture and go to just as the balky a. you like dancing. you like to build and motivate in germany to russia because [inaudible] and stalin says why? here is have been bone for you and half of a bone for me. why not?

this guy is very, very important what had he been through? he was with comrade stalin and in order of his presence here. in 1929, published a very important book. and a person that cannot

always be in complete readiness it is like a man cannot hold permanently to pistols in his hand because you have to produce something we have to eat and so on with all of the pistols are here. exactly the same way in a country cannot be in a permanent readiness for ever. it is a military pregnancy, the kind of situation with these to come too far. if you stand mobilization it cannot the part to prevent it is a full mobilization if you stop that, it will heal itself. you cannot split the two things. before 1939 in the soviet

union, do not take all young people into the army. you and you and you. he will be in the army are not. and we accept only one-third of the people who have to be in the army. a very strange thing, it was 21 years old. why? it is today. we personally, some time ago i was officer and sometimes you can do anything that you wind. you can see it as a an exception 20, 21 years old and

it is very difficult to change here. you know, you and some money maybe he has his family it is very difficult. i always when i was an officer and the training division, i think why? why? before 1939, it is such a strange age. 21 years old? for a people it is very inconvenient for me, for everybody, it does not matter if it is inconvenient for you or not. why conrad stalin in the day system what is his reason? the last existence of that system.

stalin abandoned it and created a new one. first of september, 1959, it was to produce new legislation 80 years old what has happened is a very special thing everybody who is 18 years old please come to the army. if you are 19 years old, please come to our me, 20 years old , now. yes. 21 yes. 22 but before you have never been in the army. guest. 23, 27, come on. so now no warning. stalin increases his army between 1 million into more than 5 million like that.

it was a very interesting thing. he cannot keep such an army in the peacetime. so economically you have to feed all of them you not only have to produce weapons for all of them, you take people up of the economy. before they produced something now they produce nothing so you cannot keep them in the army. the program was two years if stalin introduced such a system first of september, 1959, he knew in its the two years the first of september, 1941, all of them have to go home and he would have nothing after word pro.

so between what it means one day you press a button and you use the enormous energy now but afterwards it is on reserve. what happened? stalin and hit land -- zettler divide poland. it is a very, very dangerous for the soviet union. 1941 germany attacks russia. it is a very strange historical fact because before that there was no common border between russia and germany, howe germany cannot attack russia if there is no common border? stalin created one. why? look.

it is a signature of stalin. suddenly he stops 58-centimeter. of course, in america you don't know the 58 cm. [laughter] what is it? it shows his command with unbelievable excitement? why he is so excited? number one, because it is illegal. e been he is a date image

year. he is officials who is comrade stalin. he is now president for prime minister he is general secretary. that is all. he is a leader and so on beneficially he is nobody actually. so the signature meant nothing but there is a more important reason for shut -- such and excitement. what is it? the common border is a very big danger for it stalin. but he is excited. the key is the alligator in this to and if he is the alligator i would like to have some type of fire i hate him i do not want to be in the same

room with him and if stalin is a worry about adolf hitler he can say you take half of poland and i have a half of poland's but let's leave between us some kind of small paul went so you cannot attack me by surprise and i cannot detect you by surprise but stalin says half for you and half for me. and there is one more. one more document. it is actually so the union attacking finland. this is the agreement between the two. it is the president signatures.

poland is divided. a russian commander, i germans, poland is divided a a soviet commander here, a nazi commander here, they saluted each other they like each other very much. but it is a very strange thing. they divide poland comment a sign the agreement and a 1939. i am extremely sorry i

say, adolf hitler, i do it. do it. and i will do it. so poland is on the first of september and i say i am sorry. i am not ready. so hitler attacks poland and stalin signs the agreement with him if stalin is a decent man he says i am not ready let's attack and one week or two weeks or three weeks or in one month, next year, i am not ready. but he says let's attack in one week. first of september hitler attacks and stalin says sorry, i am not ready. please go out and ask any small boy or girl who started the second world war? is adolf hitler but please

remember there was no hitler it was comrade stalin. 1959 they the clare war by hitler cannot fight is ever had such a mission to fight against him. so the united states of america lost his war. he was finished. here is a marvelous picture.

flowers for him. half of poland for you and half of poland for me. i am a good guy. isn't this clever? [speaking russian] i find in my new book exactly what they said with a german west side and let them create all of their crimes. later, a lot of years after that the conrad says he shall bear you. -- bair you. if it is the same guy. so hitler started to fight

against the west but there is no strategic reserve. he has no oil [inaudible] when you watch the film you see the battle with britain the german aircraft, and then there is oil comrade stalin helped. if he said no oil for you, it would be no second world war but comrade stalin was there. adolf hitler later attacked

stall when -- stalin so he is a bad guy. but in 1939 people looked at the situation in a different way they look very friendly. it is the same thing. it is a general, and look at his hand. [laughter] this is the same thing. yes? now i return to my previous point* and he is great friends with comrade stalin. he just killed all of stalin's

enemies. it was the same with adolf hitler. this is the central idea, icebreaker who started the second world war? i never say stalin i say hitler started but stalin helped him. so what is the situation in 1941? in 1941, in the summer, it was absolutely wonderful strategic situation when adolf hitler destroyed the government, he destroyed all the armies, he ploy two millions of people into concentration camps, all of europe praying for

liberation but it hiller is against great britain and east adolf hitler attacks great britain seven all-german air force would again and all armies would be against great britain and all resources and behind it is this soldier who is waiting. now somebody say he was not ready for the war at all. it is a very strange thing. he finished four in berlin and smb said he is not ready. yes he was. adolf hitler committed suicide you think he was ready?

actually it is very small. america said you need help? you gotta. we will always help you. so if you look good adolph hitler and say he is ready for a war and look at stalin u.s. diplomatically messed up everything. it is absolutely wonderful. you see the russian liberator they cannot do it. thank you very much to america. thank you for your help. it is in the book and you help him. and when you speak about

this, only one in the country, only one, it is the russia soviet union, hitler passed across 41,000, look west. you see it under the aircraft. yes. look at the degression technology just to put across the border. yes it is a picture, yes it is a photograph, but in it defensive war, you do not need airborne troops when you have 1 million trained parish shooters. somebody says it is do pretty prepare them if you prepare

yourself for defensive four, this was designed for a motor race in america. stalin ast america. the tanks were specially designed. it was such a powerful machine. and the germans capture them. it is the best of all it is

called energy 54 who we abandoned lost the -- lots of them. russia is so advanced, edgy 34 in that course it is the best of course. it is the future. the so advanced technology when the germans came they had no one single tank. the russians had them with great abandon because then a defense of a move, germany has no one single target, and nobody has no single tanked only russia got them.

look at that. when the first term and capture them they abandoned because their need for a defensive war. it is planned to attack. when they send messages to berlin on june 191941 the general rights in his diary, this is a 610 to done with 48-kilogram shells. the german technology. it is abundant because we doubt made such a monster but it is for something else.

look at them. russian armor. you have some sheils i guess the tank but it cannot be penetrated. you can see the shots over here. but it is abandoned. it is the beautiful beautiful gun. germans like them very much. this was abandoned by their red army but used by german of course. german anti-aircraft gun

nothing is better than this. it is a hand the 22 mm, it is absolutely marvelous. let's the web been captured berlin it is a weapon for the fortifications and so when they came back with such a weapon they have to abandon it. what happened here? you put some say and inside and one shall just blows of. the impression airfields and

the aircraft russia has 20,000 but some of the fields were 2800 meters near the burden -- border sojourn and does not need to use them against the russian aircraft they do not use artillery when this type versus russian aircraft. it is the american army but i show you what happens in 1941 and you concentrate the army for a duck making us more vulnerable for an attack. you can see them but they lowered their ammunition but

it would be a disaster. actually what happened in 1941 with the russian border, it was unbelievable concentration of russian army on the border. and one german. win adolph hitler came, stalin cannot move. seven army tour the german -- german border. if they just stopped how do take them out? make them all disabled?

this is a program they say sure. it is so nice. win germans a attack, 25,000 railway wagons paul of ammunition. why? what is the reason? to keep in the bottoms and into the war. there is a wonderful picture made the fourth of july and 1941 of the army. look at face. the guy is an element he is a skeleton. he is a skeleton as well be he is in a helmet.

this is a skeleton as well. yes? the award just started it is 1941. maybe you say, look at the face. my mom was a doctor she was at the institute medical before the war and sent to the far east but it was only army or concentration camp. so just before the war they take all the people and give them the weapon and send them. i say mom, a stock. she said i can't i said before. before. now in my book i give evidence, a full division, a 15,000 people these are

skeletons the first reggy it makes a great army. so some of them do not even have a uniform. this is a prisoner. it was the offensive war and stalin attacks, i find actually somebody asks him, what is the reason for such an army? it is not very good and he explains a few have a fire, [speaking russian]

spaking that they would do the job. >> sewed to rent a army's attack hundred and they are successful. under the sick and the strategic echelon from the blog they will be good soldiers. they have a web been buppies imagine -- they have a weapon. please imagine 2,000 people out of the russian prison they give them a rifle and put them all of the border. the georgia border let's say. what is the intention? why? so before the attack stalin move 1 million prisoners -- prisoners with weapons to the border. did you ever see a hollywood

film and the germans on their horses? then germany attack russia with only 3,000 tanked? that is all. but 750,000 horses? it is a blitzkrieg we're ready for the blitzkrieg. it is a very heavy country we have to split into. so it is broken down the first part of a gun and the second part of a gun and has a more hollywood and german appeal,

to be accepted with the tanks and immerses. please pay attention it is not a very good picture but if you look in my book you can see his body it is shiny. so he has the opportunity to capture a good russian to use the russian technology. look at some of the german aircraft they always except the i.d.'s russian aircraft is obsolete or so rare and it is the communist propaganda.

what is this? look. some of the good german aircraft, so one caliber of the gun with the german tank, up from 1941 it is the caliber of a gun. the german self. gun in 1941. said it is a blitzkrieg with 75 men. it is a powerful gun. now the germans and russia, after the war say who

destroyed us? it is a russian road so evade the store does. it was not the red army. it was a rose. let's imagine that i say to you, there is mounting evidence that i am a good boy, of course, i can climb if it is small soldier. it is what the germans say. if you attack russia, did you ever think it is a big country if it is a big countrywide you attack the big country? find small luxembourg and attack that.

before you attack russia hitler house to send one super spy. and send a telegram russia is a big country. sometimes what is the road? that is the big question. why adolf hitler attack and i ask the question and i do not give the answer. so i am ready to answer your questions now if you have any [applause] excuse me, i did not expect applause from the audience. thank you very much for this. >> first of all, i am just

curious in terms of your personal intellectual evolution, you did not start out your career presumably be leaving critical things either about the soviet union are necessary about stalin regime war role and the second world war so can you describe the gradual process with the events that led you to change your mind? in terms of your historical analyses, there are many things i would like to raising greater detail but your characterization of the interwar period, i mean obviously something changed very dramatically in 1939 with that signing of the hitler

pact but if you look as soviet newspapers throughout the late twenties and early thirties, you see all kinds of cartoons, articles, warning about the dangers of fascism characterizing not the germany -- not the germany where they are imprisoned with alarmist rhetoric more than you would see in the united states where hitler and mussolini were seen as greets leaders. there is a popular front and a spanish civil war, the soviet union is allied to france and the leftist regime and spain. >> [inaudible] >> letter proceed with the question. >> i am not an apologist for stalin but it seems pour

history to say that the soviet union was not deeply committed to fight fascism in the 1930's and arguably 1939 was the exception to previous policies and something stalin was forced into seeking negotiations with great britain. . .

so, one year he was in the army. you have to be officer. he say i don't like. so one here of preparation and a in june of 1941 without any warning with exams in russia 70,000 young become officers. 14th of june, 1941 it was [inaudible] the situation when i show you is

it stopped so it was his story. he had been there. after he e-verified he had been wounded four times after the war against japan and after his military service in the far east. i join in the red army. is a very tough education, very tough, seven years. after i high school in 1968i become so i become lieutenant and immediately they sent me to the border of czechoslovakia so immediately i became the company commander because of and as you know now mobilization is

military pregnancy and it was a very exciting time and we don't know. we are waiting and waiting. if we don't know and we like because in the forest you see very bad conditions. let's do something. and our soldiers in have very bad boots. i don't know how to translate but somebody knows. some artificial material. and when the red army -- they have a good boat, east germany red army. so and poland and so on. and in the soviet union it doesn't matter.

they are right into our decision [inaudible] they called it [inaudible] big glory arrived. how many people take them. yes you have 200, take them, take them. the battalion commander it was -- we don't know but today we have our last evening. we have a good one drink. officer here and there is an old

man and suddenly we speak about we have new boots. fantastic. so exciting and that old man says some just like in the 1941. he says what? yes, summer of 41 now and my book i did some documents when hitler attacked when we capture up to 2 million new boots in the russian border so stalin prepare. i start to think some parallel between 1941 and 1968. when we can to czechoslovakia, my first trip i have marvelous story to 55. green light. red light. that doesn't matter. ladies and gentlemen, you don't

understand what is the liberator and it is the first time, you see, so when i start i was a very tough communist, believe me. very tough. i think we have a best army and best economy. you see this, yes, so first woman in space, first man in space so great some american they are in great people and give liberty for czechoslovakia and they don't accept it and for me it was a very strange thing because white, come on, i give you leaders, you take it. american imperialists so get your own propaganda, but

liberty. but they said no way and i was lucky because some of my friends were in the 20th guard from east germany. so we had been in prague and many people and so on so on. but we came from soviet territory and a small village so young people keep out what and say do you like drink? of course we are soldiers we have a drink and so on. after a few who drinks we say what are you doing and why the country. and for me at that time it was not understandable chaim present so 10,000 generational, yes and

psychology is very simple. if income czechoslovakia, you see, from america you can to but from the soviet union came to one czechoslovakia, you see, so all roof are red, all the streets are clean. we just came here what. so my basic philosophy is our living standard and they have much higher, so the logic is let's put our living standard at their level. but we are doing the opposite thing. we put them down. it's wrong. if in that time i have any opportunity, just what to do,

maybe escapes, but i was very guilty. i feel myself as not a leader and i was very sorry about my friends who don't understand. it's a nice country. lots of drink, yes, why not and if i see an opportunity to peacekeeping but border was blocked by airborne troops. so you can not a peacekeeping but after i returned to soviet union and in the soviet union i was in the 66 decision they produced 20,000 corporal's a year. is handywork production but not very good quality. and after two years of my service there are three guys

asking me what is good job for you? are you ready? isaf yes of course. they say but you don't know what's the job. and i say yes, sir. but why? i said come on, if it is a bad job so you will never ask me, you see, i like it or not like it if it is the chinese border you say come on, if you ask my opinion so it is good job. i say look, preparation, five years. i have now ten years of military education from 11 to 21, so five more years. you agree? i said of course. why? because i say. it is serious preparation. if it is 50 minutes preparation is not very serious. five years i accept sali of the four years of preparation and after i become officer and i am

not historian and i just produce all of that because my job to make an honest, my job to look small evidence like what is meaning of what. it means that, you see. so my job was to take lots of thousands of small pieces all together and just say what we will do so my job to find, to prevent new attacks against soviet union and all i, because i was a good boy, you see, i tried to prevent the second german attacks i think the 22nd of june, 1941 is the greatest disaster in history. they lost millions of people. it's never happened in all history and i like to prevent

it. so, i start to think what exactly happened and suddenly i realized it was such a strange thing going on in russia so everything was a german doing for example this strategy they say comrades, if any like to attack us we do airfields to the border. why? because, you see, enemy army come forward and aircraft have to support them. if air ford far away aircraft cannot support. so if in a prepared to attack us just on the border. you understand that? i say yes i understand. next lecture about military history we say, ads stalin so stupid and he scamander so stupid we put all care for --

all air force on border. next lecture they explain if the enemy tries to attack us, we put lots of ammunition just on the border because army comes forward and it's very difficult to supply, yes? so all of them, the ammunition has to be here. next letcher you see military history and explained soviet general so stupid you see so we put 25 ammunition just on the border. isn't it stupidity? and everybody says yes it stupid so i am not discovered anything at all so everything, i never used top-secret documents. it's just enough to look russian propaganda, everything gets

open. i just read memoirs and so on and so on, so when i was abroad it was one moment i am extremely sorry you forgive me if i give a whole lecture answering just one question. >> the second question is -- >> it will be second. first of all can i finish the? if not enough time, you see, so you invite me once more, you see, and i answered second question. so the 13th of july, 1977i was a spotty in geneva, so geneva center of espionage so i was successful because for ross if you are three years abroad it is something because obvious, you see. if you not producing enough

information we just say why they keep you in geneva? come home. you have to produce information but if you produce too much information they say you are very active, come on out. you are a clown, you are dancing. so i was good enough to be three years in geneva so i was good. and as an ex action they give me your number four. as a special exception they give me your number five. but before that, 14th of july, 1977i have been in brazil and what is, just the airport and my job to be in that airport now. [inaudible] >> -- it might get lost.

>> [inaudible] >> on july 13th, 1977i was suddenly summoned by my boss who told me go to brazil because there is a bigger airport. the airport was all surrounded by the police who were carrying machine guns and there were dogs and all kind of equipment. it was a serious business >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: we were waiting and suddenly a plan our lives. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i moved and it says [inaudible] >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: of the pilots come out from the plane and it is obvious they are military because the fresh new crispy civil uniform. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: the opened the door, this huge door on the back of the plan. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: and i see that the plan is empty. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: first i was surprised, but then i looked more carefully and realized the whole stuff, below is just sitting on the floor. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: because it was very heavy. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: it was gold. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: it was gold payment for american green. in other words, the russian president was not allowed to produce the green on his own and russia although russian is a very rich country, instead, instead the dream was imported from the united states and the gold, the russian gold was two americans. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: you guys are going to grow the next harvest next year but our goal is gone. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: then i pushed the pilots and asked them who do you guys understand what you are doing here? you are between your motherland. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: we keep our people in the substandard conditions of life and our old we get to americans, and we procrastinate this process by buying american greenup. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: and i ask myself with a minute what about myself? what am i doing here? im vitre my motherland as well here. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: and the next year in 1978, on a defected. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: and when the russians told me you should go and apologize for your treason and then he might get a part because he still is sentenced to death by the officials the system. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: i say no, you guys should ask for an apology. you guys to kill my fellow citizens. it's not me, it's you guys who betrayed russia. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: we want to go back to russia and be facing any court and accept any sentence with one caveat. first, let them -- what's make a sentence on all these kgb people and the people who destroyed russia and then i am willing to pay my price as well. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: there was a second question, unfortunately i took such a long time to answer the first question i am not going to be able to answer any more questions, but i already answered specifically these things we mentioned in the question. >> [inaudible] -- your experience and analytics and research and different strategies, do you think that russia can create more wisely than during their recent years its strategy to try to return ukraine to the area of its influence because for the las nine years what we have been observing they are trying what to do whatever to make it green and independent because even ethnic russia russian-speaking the result of support the result

of the second question are you going to write your next book about modern politics rather than history? >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: thank you very much for the question. the problem is my mother is russian, my dad is ukrainian so every time when people ask me who are you actually, russian, ukrainian? to answer this question is like to answer the question who do you love more, your mom or your dad? >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i am quite a cynical person. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: this way i see the world through a very simple prism. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i don't believe in her birth of an empire. empire death is for good. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: russian has a proverb is a person is an idiot that this for quite a long time. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i can go on and on and on but i hope i answered the question. second questioned? >> [speaking in russian]

[speaking in russian] >> translator: hold on a second, let's translate that. no, the answer to the second question i am not going to write anything about current policy -- current politics because when i detected the first thing i wanted to do was write a quick article about the idea of stalin to attack hitler first. i thought -- i thought three pages would be enough to put out this whole information then i realized know, three pages are not enough, i need to write something else and then more seven [speaking in russian]

>> translator: basically when i realized i have explained everything there is a beautiful lady who asks me something else and says there is a discrepancy so i need to explain this discrepancy i ended up writing 18 books and probably it is going to take another 30 to finish. >> [speaking in russian] [speaking in russian] >> translator: so far i didn't even touch the issue of the year 1942. i didn't even touch the problems of the 1941, july, september and so on. so far i managed with all of those ridings i managed to cover up the period from august, 1939

to june 22nd, 1941. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: roman historian once compared history to the mediterranean -- [inaudible] >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i started with small stuff i tried to write in a short article and then i went

deeper and deeper into this issue and right now i have a biggest collection of manuscripts on the world war ii. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i have 17 cubic meters of letters written by the world war ii russian veterans who read my book. >> [speaking in russian] [laughter] >> translator: there is actually a new historical school in russia. there are about a dozen of

historians who started doing investigation on the issue which i opened and there are very serious professional historian books on this topic where many people went far beyond what i tried to explain. there are also many books against me. unfortunately in those books written my critics never say that i was wrong although they try to explain i am a bad guy but i never said i am a good guy. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: right now the flood of letters stopped because in most of world war ii russian letters slide out and those that wanted to write me wrote him right away. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: one letter is written by a simple soldier. he lost his leg in 1941 and death saved his life because very few of those who 1941 only because he was wounded and his leg was cut off. he then continued fighting. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: he said everything is true the problem is i knew everything but could never ever put it in the big picture and explained everything. i wish i could have a chance to

meet you and cry on your shoulder. >> in the back. the gentleman in the back. >> i wondered what your impressions are regarding by the soviet government. >> [speaking in russian] the return to the second question. yes, stalin had lots of the ways how to handle situations. he has to say to adolf hitler polls don't like you, they don't like me but if you attack them they will be the ally and i will support them. for three years i keep you busy in spain so i sent to spain

1,000 of my military adviser. i sent to spain half a million. you see i send lots, lots of everything. actually inside of my book but let me answer now. you have to explain to adolf hitler. look, if you attack poland and poland would collapse after that polish people will accept any help and i will send to poland 1 million of russian volunteers or 2 million or 10 million russian volunteers. you have no resources because you have no resources you have only one option, but without if you just attacked poland and i will wheel, i will not give you

my materials so i will send 1 million volunteers and maybe britain and france and declare for you so please think about it. it was a tragic situation in 1939. stalin and cited the delegation of great britain and france to russia and said to them look, i need the corridor in poland and and my book i explained what is the meaning of corridor if say i need corridors what kind of course. stalin likes to send to poland 5,000 aircraft. they say you need to build airfields. it's not only corridors. if you put two, three, 5 million people inside poland you have to take under control politian

railways and so on. so when stalin is thinking about corridors so he is thinking about the occupation of poland and i ask the question why you need corridors? it was such a simple situation. france and britain say they are ready to fight against germany if germany attacks poland. stalin don't need to fight at all. he is behind poland. russia is the second echelon let poland fight, you see, and after that russia will fight so stalin says no i like to be in the first echelon. give me that. definitely for poland it was not acceptable tall and stalin says not acceptable at all so i will -- it is a very strange approach so let me to protect you or i will kill.

it is exactly what stalin says on a will protect you or i will destroy you. why not to use way to keep out of that conflict and if germany attacks poland so to be paid just like stalin behave in spain to send the russian volunteers and fight how they behave in vietnam so american and the imam we send our equipment, our volunteers and so on and so on. we just do exactly the same. in august of 1939, they say for japan if you attack mongolia we will attract mongolia like our own territory and we protect it. we never worry about japanese military mind. it is dangerous for us.

keep out, but poland in the same time we say have for you, half for me so i think it was quite stalin, yes. >> but did roosevelt think he would gain by helping stalin with his war? >> what did president roosevelt think he would gain by helping stalin prepare? >> i got that. please, believe me that question you don't need to ask small russian spy. there is enough who know the answer for that question better than me once i had been in poland and always there is a situation suddenly there is a young man and he starts to ask a

question and he asked a question for one minute, two minutes, five minutes, and he is speaking more and more and more and i just don't know what to do because i don't know what he is speaking about and he is speaking about some polish problem. he says i don't know what it is and he is speaking and speaking and people started laughing so there is a television camera in the room and i say what to do, what to do and suddenly when he finished high no answer. you always claim there is they came to poland. you always say it's bad, yeah. you need one more russian who will give you a question how to live. you are clever enough to resolve your own problem if it is an answer for your question, yes?

so, please. there is lots of people who know american politics, american history much better than me. i am not an expert in american history and i don't like to pretend i know. i have only simple piece of history, 22nd of june, 1941. >> foster, yes. >> in the latest russian book you mentioned that there a former declaration of war. it was in the know to he gave to the soviet ambassador at 4 o'clock in the morning on the 22nd of june 1941.

where can we get the text of this diplomatic not declaring war matt? >> [speaking in russian] let me introduce you to the lady who i know only by her voice when i was a russian spy -- the voice of america where she was -- >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i already have a crush on her at that time. thank you for the question. >> translator: i have this text and i will send it to you. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: >> [speaking in russian] [speaking in russian] >> translator: the reason i never publishes the historians started to work on the bridge i opened and everybody else follows already published even in one of his books and that's why. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i believe it is a historian who already published in his book to

document. >> where does the extermination of many of the officer corps in the soviet union at that time, how does that fit in with your -- >> [inaudible] 1937? >> and its leading up there. >> 1938, sorry. >> [speaking in russian] the answer for that question is that book it actually is a small fee since -- thesis.

[speaking in russian] >> translator: the main culprit is actually a compilation of many books i have written plus additional material and and russian i had a special book specifically dedicated to this topic which is called purification. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i will try to answer it in a different way. in april 1940 when france was occupied french newspaper wrote -- no mention newspaper published an article which said what can germans to and the

answer was nothing. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: the answer, the explanation was very simple. we agree to this debate could defensive marginal line which is on breakable -- unbreakable. but there is one more important factor. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: we have great marshals, the guys who won world war i. they know how to fight and how to win. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: look at germans. >> [speaking in russian] they were just captains in world war i

>> [speaking in russian] >> translator: and because germany lost world war when it got all the pictures from this a sacred cows of the military. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: every single general fights, prepares himself to fight not the future for preparing to fight the past war. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: we visited israel recently and i discovered a system after each victory they do not execute their generals but they remove them. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: and they promote new generation of

younger officers very critical view of the provision and look for new ways to fight. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: what kind of commander he was. the only victory was he defeated, he defeated them by concentration camps, poison gas where he was taking hostages when he was pushing entire villages into swampy areas. that was his only military victory. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: actually had another victory when the sailors were defeated when there was an uprising he was -- he ordered to push the prisoners under the ice. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: the only time he faced professional army was 1920 poland. >> [speaking in russian] one >> translator: right now historians say he would definitely be good enough to defeat him german. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: >> [speaking in russian] he had never been battalion commander, never been regimental

commander, he had never been brigade commander, never in commissioner, never been corps commander. he was deputy company commander. he had four months of world war after he surrendered he had been captured the first world war he was in the prisoners camp so the officers have a right to go outside if i will not a skate. >> the officers who have taken prisoners of war, they would allow to leave the premises of the place they were kept if they send a pledge they will not and so every day they would allow to come back. they would come back every day. >> [speaking in russian]

>> translator: 1918 there was only one single russian officer who signed his pledge. that is when a russian officers were never allowed to leave the premises of the camp they were kept. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: he immediately appointed him commander of the army. that was a great strategist. >> [speaking in russian] >> translator: i have an entire book and there is enough information on each so-called great strategist by stalin and so on.

back here. >> i am a former -- >> [inaudible] >> thank you. i am a former soviet citizen and fellow defector. >> welcome to the glove, sir. >> currently i'm naturalized american citizen, but in my former life was in russian studies at a number of american universities and i also have a book entitled soviet defectors, the k.g.b. wanted list published by the mover institution in 1985 and it is still available now on the internet you can google under my russian name. to confide that book but i mention that because in the book on page one with 41 half a page

to the speaker. i'm happy. i welcome him. finally we have a chance to see each other and i want especially to commend the institute for inviting him. i congratulate for that. there is one caveat. you should have done it at least 25 years ago. [laughter] >> i am not responsible for that. >> let me say also because again the contention of my book and it is not about any other defector, there were hundreds, it was a book about the phenomenon and my major contention in the book was cia for american society and did not know how to use defectors. the abused them.

they cheated them as traitors, that means they followed the soviet line and treated the defectors. they use perhaps ask them out of their hardware and the ways the tanks work, etc. etc. and of course made them feel bad be trading secrets, but virtually the society as a whole never uses software. the mind of the defectors the use that before earlier and paid more attention and in my book i might pay attention to this guy and was writing the book at that time already did not pay attention sufficiently but had we used their mind and insight and i am not saying whether he is right or not about this particular issue but generally speaking it is an enormous insight not available here that could become only from the inside of the soviet union so had they used those insights i think the disintegration of the system could have happened

earlier considerably earlier and less painful especially for the russian people. >> thank you very much. last question right here. >> it says somewhere that the one person stalin never trusted was hitler. was stalin simply being naive or did he think here is somebody who is like me now so i can trust him or was he simply being rational because it was totally crazy for it were to invade russia because as you said there was a russian winter, it was a big country so on, the defeat was inevitable. was stalin being rational or not eve and somehow it rationally trust? >> thank you very much. it is a wonderful question you see so i expect such a question only i don't know who you ask. thank you. number one, i just take simple

mathematics. in 1939 and september in the army it was 82 field army in the far east it was a first army and second army far east. the 22nd of june, 1941 russia has 29 armies, 25 of them in the german border. you are my enemy. i have no army against you. i side with you you are my dear friend. i kiss you and prepare big acts against you. 25 or mes and i show you, you see. 25,000 ammunition. i trust you so much. it is for you, my friend. >> he thought he would invade germany, not germany would

invade russia. >> yes, he was preparing to invade germany and particularly to invade romania because part of germany, not and germany, not at all, the part of germany and romania, is a place where we'll so it was oil from russia and from romania so stalin support and hitler have enough, enough, now. so and my book i show out of all the army number nine it was the most powerful army at all and in the romanian border. it was a second strategic echelon inside second strategic echelon most powerful was 16 and 16 was in romanian border so when hitler attacked he had not very strong against him but strong guest was against romanian border. so when you say stalin trust or

not trust stalin was logical. he just understand. he asked, you see in the intelligence it is some very clever guys and he asks them. actually both it was a lieutenant general and stalin killed all his predecessor there is a long list in my book he killed that, that, and then 1941, the 22nd of june, chief of russian military intelligence i think my god, if stalin killed all of his predecessor in that time it was no such disaster at all so stalin makes him marshall soviet union. they say why is it? because he was right. stalin asked him hitler some kind of indication.

really he isn't ready or not. of course not. there is 10,000 kiloliters, 6,000 pounds so if hitler captured 1,000 kilometers of month, it's not possible. so, how many months, he prepared the creek. come on. if he captured and killed 1 million russian soldiers every month so we have five and a half now in the critical situation of 1941 in the first week we just increased the army in 54 million. so if you killed a month 1 million russian soldiers it is ten months and it was a

marvelous indication germany prepared attack are not prepared attack and education was very simple. do we have a ship scheme -- sheepskin coat? how we can fight in russia without good clothes so somebody says but hitler like to destroy russia it's madness. in three months, but okay. let's imagine durham and destroy soviet union and three months, but after that you have to have so russian intelligence say it is a suicide and of hitler will attack us he cannot fight. so germany cannot fight another front particularly if with russia and bismarck say so germany cannot wait even in one of front of that front is russia

and hit for attack. >> i thought i read somewhere stalin executed military officers who told him hitler was preparing to attack. >> i would like to thank you for a very entertaining and engaging talking i would like to thank you for attending and i look forward to see you in the future. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> speed suvorov was a military intelligence officer who defected in 1978. he's the author and numerous books including aquarium the making of a top soviet spy. for more information, visit the

publisher's web site at usni.org/navalinstitutepress.

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