during the bush administration. at 9:00. henry tarel at george washington university discusses different and the obama's family vacation with ken walsh and previous presidents vacations all ahead on "washington journal". . .

host: want to talk about who getsjñ on these watch lists on airplanes. we want to find out your opinions and your thoughts. you can also send an e-mail at journal@cspan.org. here is the headline in the newspaper. yesterday's airplane landed at the detroit metro airport after a nigerian men allegedly tried

to ignite explosives. the suspects leg was burned and he was subdued by passengers and already it is being discussed by members of the administration as well as members of congress. this is the lead story in the detroit free press, nigerian man is accused of trying to blow airliner. -- blow up an airliner. they have identified the suspect. he is a 23-year-old nigerian national. it was unclear friday why he allegedly wanted to attack the flight already from amsterdam. passengers subdued him as he allegedly tried to detonate a --

an explosive device that failed. it was unclear how the man identified by federal officials managed to get the explosive on the plane. it was a plane carrying 270 passengers that departed from amsterdam with passengers who originated in nigeria. a senior administration officials said the government did not yet know whether the man had the capacity to take down the plane. the article goes on to say that a federal counterterrorism official who asked not to be identified said that the suspect was apparently in a government law enforcement intelligence data base but it is not clear what extremist groups or individuals he might be linked to.

ubt "the washington post," the suspect's name appears to be included in the government's record of terrorism suspects. he has told federal investigators that he has ties to al qaeda and traveled to yemen to collect the incendiary device and instructions on how to use it. we want to find out from you your thoughts on whether the process needs to be re-evaluated and changed. east lansing, mich., an airline for democrats. you can see the airport. tell us your thoughts. caller: i think they should

definitely strengthen who gets on the plan and make it tougher. host: tell us about what happened yesterday. how did you first find out about it and what were your thoughts when you first found out about it? caller: i was watching c-span, actually, and i saw it on the ticker tape at the bottom. my cousin works of that airport. he called me at home. i just feel that they keep talking about racial profiling, that they are profiling the muslims and stuff. i'm sorry, i am not prejudiced at all but i think they need to make -- they need to strengthen this stuff. i think we are being lulled into a false sense of security. i hope nothing happens in a few

more days if they kidnap a plane and run it into the empire state building or something and then we will all be crying the blues thinking we have to tighten up more. host: what kind of worked as her cousin to at the airport? what kind of security measures does he see and what does he tell you? caller: he is a baggage handler. she tells the it is so much more strict you can virtually do hardly anything now. that is as it should. a want to get off the phone. i want to wish you and all the good folks at cspan a good upcoming 2010 and god bless, ok? host: next up is our independent line from indiana. caller: we should definitely

keep in touch with potential domestic terrorists. we have people with movements against the president like the tea party movements and whatnot. we have to watch the ranks of people like that. you have a situation where people can sneak into the white house. i find that the issue that you control -- that you can show up at the white house and say that you forgot your invitation and get in. we have to make sure we keep an eye on that because there is a lot of going on because of this last election. this is the first black president. we need to make sure domestically that we don't hurt ourselves from within. host: you talk about beefing up security domestically but this young man came in from overseas. what do we do there? caller: as far as an incident

like that, you deal with an isolated incident with policies. we don't need to find out what country he was born in and go occupy the country like iraq and iran. nevertheless, there is a way to deal with that. there is no reason to rattle your saber around the world and invade a country. when the pirates took over that ship, we took the mat with sniper shots instead of invading a country. we have the right idea to deal with things and you deal with them individually. host: our democrat line, you are next. caller: what we just take all of our freedoms away so we can feel safe again? the iranians and pakistan is an of danny's do not u.s. as

terrorists even though we are sending armed drones and killing civilians. host: what do you mean by fake terror alerts? caller: i think it's all fake. we're killing people all over the world. host: you would say to the people on that flight yesterday that it was a fake terror alert? caller: it was a law enforcement issue. i don't feel like it was a terrorist attack. host: what is the difference between a terrorist attack and a violation of law enforcement? caller: a terrorist attack is when you send clothes into other countries and bomb them and you declare war on them. that is a terrorist attack, to me. host: we will move on to indianapolis, on our line for democrats. caller: i agree, we need to pay attention.

we need to have a watch list but we need to watch everyone inside the country and outside the country because there are homegrown terrorists, there are terrorists from other countries, and we need to be watching these people as much as weekend. it is a tricky thing to watch in such a way because we could be doing racial profiling. people could be falsely accused of many things and put in prison because of things that they did not do. i think people are walking around and they are really too afraid and they should not be afraid because it just really stifles the ability for people to go on and do the normal things in their lives. black people have been victims of racism for a long time but we have to continue to move forward in our lives and do what

we need to do. all americans should do that regardless of forever the threat comes from host: i want to redo a twitter message. k#ñhe says to start with middle eastern and bearded suspect. how could we beef up security without going over the line and turning it into racial profiling? caller: in my opinion, black men are being racially profiled many times. it is the way people are being treated. you may pull them over and stop them and you want to -- the police may want to inspect and check them out the early but it is the abused and a disrespect that police give black people when they pull them over.

yes, you do have to watch them. yes, you want to do that but if they do pullover somebody like that, treat them with respect, check them out, and then you can -- law enforcement can be more respected if they go that route and people will be more apt to accept what is going on instead of the police being so abusive. treat the people as terrorists before they know for sure if they are terrorists, people are innocent until proven guilty. host: president obama was notified of the incident yesterday and discussed it with security officials. the white house said it was -- he was monitoring the situation and has received regular updates from his vacation spot in hawaii.

we will continue this discussion not only through this telephone segment but also at 7:45 eastern, we will talk with clark kent irvin, the former inspector general with, and security during the former bush administration and we will get his thoughts on what happened with the flight flying into detroit yesterday. lander, wyoming, you are next. >> this is wyoming. caller: i used to work for homeland security with tea s.a. and the airports. -- with tsa and airports. some of your callers said we should beat up internal security and secure ourselves in the

united states instead of sending many of our troops to other countries to fight the battle offshore. i was a vietnam veteran. i see both sides of it. host: specifically, what kind of work to do for tsa? caller: i was a screener at the gate in utah, a screening bags with x-ray. host: without breaking confidentiality, what kind of things do they tell you to look for that might tip you off that something bad will happen? caller: i cannot really say. i cite a piece of paper say i cannot divulge the things i learned on how we are supposed to profile people and see people as they come through.

you looked inside the bag with x-ray and you could tell that normal things in a bag or a suitcase just do not belong. you can tell there is something different. host: is there something that says if this person is wearing x or has x in their bag, that person is to be pulled over and questioned in depth? caller: that's true. the best advice given us was that if you have a feeling that there is something wrong or something different, you better say something. normally, human intuition is that if you see something irregular or out of place, it is. if it sounds too good to be true, it is. in many cases, you have that feeling.

my main point in calling is that i think if we spent the vast amount of money we are spending into overseas and put that into a greater security that we have now in the united states, we would be much better off than going over to another country and occupying it and trying to show them or give them something they don't really want. many of those countries don't want to be democratized are they don't want capitalism. they want to have what they want. i understand the need help -- they need help but to occupy the country -- it is like what rome did during the roman empire. they expended themselves so greatly that they actually fell as an empire. host: is there any sort of program within tsa that works with screeners overseas to help

them identify the things they should be looking for poor people flying into the united states? caller: there was a worldwide coalition and then 9/11 happened naturally after that, the home and security -- the online security -- there were upper level people and i was on the lower level so i don't know everything what happened there. i do know that many of the guidelines and the things that we did here in the united states were sent to the administration's of other countries to take to their security people. the people who were in charge of security were given those guidelines so they could make it more universal. my question is, has that been --

we have not had any clarity within what home when security has been doing overseas, no clarity or bring it out into the open exactly how well the program has worked. host: thank you very much for your time. we want to take a look at this twitter message who writes," i thought we were going to train thousands of people to become air marshals. this sounds like a good opportunity for employment." our line for independence in detroit, go ahead. caller: i believe the real issue that we are overlooking in this, how can they get on the planet depends security? i believe that this is designed

to target a new group of individuals. we will use a different section of profiling instead of just saying that the muslims coming into america. now it is the nigerians. this is all designed to be a smokescreen. once i heard was detroit, i knew the media would take advantage of this. we have national security. they had an article not long ago hear about detroit. detroit is constantly getting badgered. that is my comment. one guy who had a feeling for

security. that is a profiling, to preveno. if you have suspicions, you pull people over. this is designed. host: officials describe the device as incendiary rather than explosive, pending tests by forensic experts at the fbi. incendiary devices usually deliver less impact than explosive devices. the remains of the device are being sent to an fbi expos of ladd in quantico for analysis. -- explosive lab in quantico for analysis. back to the phones -- orlando, fla., an airline for democrats. -- on our line for democrats.

should we real bed -- reevaluate our watch list? caller: my problem is that i cannot understand how he got anything that was explosive, incendiary or whatever on the plane. i travel a lot. last month by came from jamaica and they confiscated a repellent. host: do you think they took that as a result of some kind of profiling? caller: there is a list of stuff you cannot take on airplanes. repellent? host: did they tell you what they're concerned about? caller:no, it was on a list.

jamaica has mosquitos and you need repellent. host: i understand we will move on. turn down your television or radio, ok? caller: i have been on the waiting list for a while. i was going to talk about the man that called before may. e. he was saying about the guy that was on the plane was trying to blowball plane up. -- blow the whole airplane up. all this stuff about race, i am white and i have been bid up by

black cops. it goes both ways. you know how this? host: thank you for your call. the associated press has been updating us. they write that one law- enforcement official says the man claimed to have been instructed by al qaeda to detonate the plane over u.s. soil. other law-enforcement officials cautioned about such claims could not be verified immediately. they said that the man may have been acting independently, inspired but not specifically trained or ordered by terrorist -- terror groups. belle grove, california, an airline for republicans. caller: thank you for having me and i respect your program. host: is it time to reexamine the formula for watch lists? caller: i believe there is. i think they need to do that right away and i think they have to have a meeting like the copenhagen meeting and talk

about the same thing about how important security is. i was flabbergasted when i heard this and my friends in california didn't believe me when i told them it happened. we are into the holidays and when you talk about security in the military, we used to have dogs. i think they should have more dogs at the airport. to it -- if it is a new type of explosive that is not out there but you know people are carrying something all the time. i think the watch list to be updated and we have to be more aware of what is going on. it is a good you have this program on. people should look at cspan like you are. good luck to you and happy new year to you all. host: what kind of details would you want to put on this watch list so that people do not think

it is becoming some sort of a profiling list? can you do that? can you watch for specifics without saying that you are profiling? caller: when i was in the military, we look for certain things in people, too. i was in the vietnam war at least look for people that were looking kind of shaky and nervous and like that. you could spot somebody coming. i think we need to concentrate on those murders people -- those nervous people. i think we will have a lot of blue-eyed terrorists. that is what is coming next host: more from the article in "the new york times." president barack obama was kept informed throughout the day as he was on vacation at a

secluded hawaiian beach house. he was given several follow-up briefings on paper. the white house counter- terrorism chief convened an interagency meeting and discuss what steps should be taken for a second apartment, security officials said the transportation safety administration used layers of security measures at the nation's airports and that it would be tighteneing them as a result of the incident in detroit. colorado, on our live for democrats, welcome. caller: i kind of feel like a lot of details were left out. i heard the had a firecracker and he was burned. the first thing i heard was that he was from nigeria and had ties to al qaeda.

i kind of feel like we get hit with the drama right away. as far as someone security goes, i feel like they have the wrong focus. everything about terrorism or that we label terrorism, we want to make this big net that will cover everybody so we do not miss one mouse in the corner. that is not the focus at all. if they say they knew about this guy, why was he not more labeled and identified and why was he not on a watch list. ? it makes me think about the corruption in our system. i have heard we have had a senator on the no-fly less. ist. all they do is attack people. host: how would you go about

changing the terrorist list? caller: being open and being honest and being direct is important. the war is based on lies. host: you mean the government be more open and honest? caller: of course. if you are on velez then there is trouble, you need to be able to -- if you're on the list, abate said a new about that guide so why were they not on alert for them? it seems like these things are opportunities to make spite rules -- spy rules and make competition-free zones within our border and our patriot act

is supposed to expire december 31. it will get renewed. this will help push that through. host: how old are you? caller: i am 52-years old and our constitution is the law of the land. our senators look to the new laws to evaluate them for their constitutionality. host: thank you for your call produce and younger than 52. our line for independence out of maine. caller: i am disappointed in cspan for helping to drum up the big terrorist scare. anybody that claims they are working with al qaeda, it should be clear they are working for the telecommunications -- the network operations that pulled up 9/11.

it is kind of unfortunate that what we should put on the watch list are people like is a big new kozinski, dick cheney, the list goes on and on. how about the people who were working for the turkish government and other suppliespi. host: what you think the gentleman you listed wanted to harm to the united states? caller: 9/11 was pulled off in order to organize support for an invasion of iraq and afghanistan which is based on complete lies. al qaeda has been a useful tool ever since they were founded in afghanistan for use against the russians. for you to pretend that you don't know that is embarrassing.

you really should stop playing this game that terrorism is not stage. host: chesapeake, va., on our line for democrats prin. caller: i read this story rmkearlier. as a security professional, technical, i came back from the middle east. it is interesting to see some of the procedures that were put in place. there were a number of things and i listened to different colors. we've gotten to the point where we distrust her government. our government has made mistakes and there are some things that have gone a certain way but it didn't. host: you say you are a security professional, what does that mean? caller: i am of the technical

side. i do work in the u.s. embassies and consulates, technical and non-technical. there are things that happened and for this gentleman to get through, that means that they have upgraded their ability to flaunt our technology to detect certain incendiary and explosive devices. this says there is a progression in their knowledge base. i am listening to everyone said what they're saying but they are not paying attention to the details. a lay person will not know that. host: as a professional, how much does it concern you that the suspect was not on the tsa n0-fly list?

>> because of where i have been and where had i have been all my life, doing the work that i have done, when i come into the country, i am always stop and ask detailed questions. at first, it was a bother but i started understanding the process that is the scary thing that i, and american, who is going overseas and doing service things for my government, i would be stopped in at the details. host: you think the people flying into the united states ought to be asked more questions at the point where they are flying from? caller: yes. many times when we talk about racial profiling, this is not racial profiling. it is said tuesday -- it is sad to say, we have problems with al

qaeda and they are moslems so it is not racial profiling, it is religious profile agreed maybe we need to do that more. it is a sad thing. host: our line for independence in southfield, michigan. caller: what is the criteria for the no-fly list? there was a family flying out of washington and a son was 5 years old and he made the no-fly list. should we beat up security but if we do who is to say who makes the list and who does not? host: what are your thoughts on that? caller: it would be hard for me to say of one or another person should or shouldn't make the list.

the five year-old nadel list so that was a mistake. let's see people coming from another country should make the list. who sets the criteria? how do you decide who makes the list. when i first heard about it, people could have lost their lives and how did this person get past security? now i look at it as to how we decide for this person's intent? how does this person make celeste. the list? everything that is going on is designed to make a new world government. this is a smokescreen the media is promoting a terror, terror, terror.

people are panicking. eventually, -- host: federal officials said there would be heightened security for domestic and international flights at airports across the country but the intensified levels would be likely layered from location to location depending on alerts, a security concerns, and other factors. let's remind you that in about 10 minutes, we will talk with clark kent irvin, the former inspector general for alleged security under the george bush administration and he will discuss issues surrounding homeland security, including this light that can from amsterdam yesterday and landed in detroit. nashville, tenn., on our line republicans, go ahead caller: caller: we need to address our

terrorism issues in the united states. if we don't, we will and of with the laudable block of buildings, airplanes, buses. look from the world what they are doing i have worked at the national airport and secured the security -- and installed security systems. i found the measures they are taking are not enough. host: which airport do to work at? caller: the international airport. i cannot comment on the security systems i work on but these folks can get inside buildings up to 200 feet. i think they need to implement security measures at the front door to keep these guys out. whether you are moslem, african- american, white, they need to make district on everybody. i appreciate you having me on.

host: decatur, alabama, on our life for independence, go ahead caller: the guy who called in about the blue-eyed terrorists. i did three years in an alabama prison on marijuana and they are eight camps. -- hate camps. if you want to find your terrorists, go to prisons. host:aoz you think we should put prisoners on the no-fly list? caller: not so much that the dollar through people in prison and treat them like they are terrorists. i am 65 years old and i don't own a gun or anything else. they are creating nothing but hate. -7hwe need to change our prison system and probably de- criminalize marijuana.

host: the director of the national institutes of health is our guest. we want to show you a little bit of his interview and you consider the entire interview tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m., eastern. >> those lines have no restrictions in terms of what applications can be applauded for it on december 4, my advisory committee, which looks over stem cell lines to see whether they measure up to the guidelines issued back in july and stimulated by the obama executive order, looked at these 27 lines and looked carefully at those who were donating the ambrose. the consent form says the stem cell lines are will be used to study the endoderm with an idea

of studying how the pancreas develops and how this might be used for diabetes. my advisory committee did not feel comfortable ignoring the language and recommended to me that these lines be approved but that they be restricted to circumstances that would fit that consent. after considering the recommendation, i had to agree and hence the reason for the stipulation. reasonable people don't always come to the same conclusion because these lines have been irreversibly stripped of all identifiers. some could argue that the consent no longer applies. that is not how my committee felt because i think this is such a visible area. there are some of justifiable at the concerns, i felt, as did my advisers, this of this was a circumstance where we should honor the terms of the original consent host: you can see the entire interview tomorrow at

10:00 a.m. at 6:00 p.m. on c- span. it is available right now online as a podcast at c- span.org. back to the telephones -- all long haul, on our line for independents. caller: i hope we do not go overboard with all this stuff. it is important to remain vigilant but if people start getting freaked and we start spending money on upgrades, i don't see where that will -- the israelis live with terrorist attacks every day. they move along with their lives. is now part of the psyche -- it is no part of the psyche and you must realize it will be there and there is not a whole lot you

can do about it. host: you can go to an airport in the united states and within an hour of your flight, you can still make it. if you are not in line in israel to get on that flight four or five hours before, you must get on the plane. caller: that would kind of suck, wouldn't it? i don't know what the answer is but i don't think we need to go off the deep end. i don't think the american people need to be completely freaked out about it. we're getting recovery and i could see people freaking out and stopping whatever recovery we have going on host: passengers can expect to see heightened screening, more bomb- sniffing dogs at some airports

and more screening but there will also be on specified, less- visible processes as well. the fbi and homeland security departments issued an intelligence about on november 20 about the threat picture for the holiday season. at the time, officials said they had no specific information about attack plans by al qaeda or other terrorist groups. our line for republicans in miami, go ahead caller: good morning. i like you and i think you are my favorite host. host: what are your thoughts about the terrorist watch list? caller: you mention to them doing a layered approach to surveillance. i don't like that term because that means they will use several

means of surveillance. like a gis system. that is profiling to the maximum. i think there is propaganda going on with the tsa. baekeland this guy was on the list but he was not picked up because he was -- they claim this guy was on the list but he was not picked out. internationally, we don't know what is going on? to me, that is propaganda going on. what do you think? host: let me get you respond to this twitter message -- you're talking about the tsa list like it is magic. have you make a list of what is in people's minds or hearts? caller: they can't but what they can do is -- with his lawyer thing is they have terrorist

letters. it could be your physical profile. it could be your emotional profile. it could be a psychological profile. they have all these different characteristics they bring together at one. and a lead they make -- and use the matrix system where if you had all the dots and a lineup, they will trigger you. host: our last call for this segment comes from ottawa, ill.. caller: the way i see it -- if this government cared anything about protecting us from terrorism, they would close the borders and put the army down there. 6xthey would bring all of our troops if we create terrorism then we will have terrorism here. that is all our government cuts -- does is call terrorism. that will look for peace or anything.

-- they don't look for peace or anything. they absolutely don't care anything about this country or the people edit but they like to put on a big front. host: your thought is that changing the watch list procedure will not stop this? caller: do what? host: your thought about changing the watch list is not going to necessarily reduce the terrorist threat to the united states? caller: the people in the government need to be on the watchless because they are destroying the country. host: we will leave it there. we'll take a short break and we'll continue our discussion on this flight from amsterdam to detroit as well as other issues surrounding homeland security with clark kent irvin, former inspector general and homeland security.

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monday at 8:00 on c-span. get your own copy on dvd. it is part of the american icon collection. it is a three-disc set. it is one of the many items available at c-span.org/store. "washington journal" continues -- host:h tell us what have you ben told about this situation regarding the delta a northwest flight the canada detroit yesterday? guest: we are still learning details but this seems to be a very serious terror attempt. that is what the white house is calling it. this probably happened at the worst possible time, the holiday time when people are troubling about the country. certainly, people should see heightened security measures at airports around the country as a result of this incident yesterday. host: as a former inspector at

all my security, give us a sense of what is going on behind the scenes. i know you cannot be specifically but given what you know of what goes and the government, what are they thinking about now? what do they want to put out? how will it keep the american people calm? guest: one thing is there is an investigation into what happened yesterday. there are two critical questions -- one question is, how is it that this person who apparently was at least on some kind of terror watch list, how is it he got aboard an aircraft? you may recall three years ago, there were a number of flights around this time of year that were diverted in mid-flight from europe to the united states wants it was learned by all my security that somebody on the flight had a name that matched a name on the watch list are based on what we heard yesterday, this

particular fellow's name was on a watch list. how did he get here? the second question is -- how did he get this incendiary device which was a mixture of powder and chemicals * -- airport security? did he get it on in nigeria? he should have been treated after them. those are the two critical questions. there are heightened security measures in place. we had a statement from secretary of pollock, last night. -- napolitano last night. the bomb-sniffing dogs and behavior condition officers. they look for indications of terrorism. host: the threat level is not going up. the threat level is a orange which is high but it is not

going up. what are your thoughts as to what's going through the obama administration? guest: they are looking at whether the color-coded to alert system should be revised. the threat level will not be raised for it right now, it is @ aren't which is the next highest level for the next highest level is red. it has been at this level since 2006. it is understandable that the level is not raised because there can be decreases and increases in certain procedures. you will see increased security measures which are appropriate. host: is the color-coded threat level more for the government so that everybody their nose how to proceed? is it more for the public so the

public knows what the government is doing? guest: that as part of the problem. it is unclear who is intended for. it is intended for both government and the average citizen. it is unclear, i would argue and to argu dfiid argue how useful . the main focus of the government should be what measures should be taken when these threats increase. there should be gradations among federal government and state and local governments. if something happens and york, does that mean it affects people in nebraska or kansas? there would need to be calibrations and the system and does with the interagency process is considering now. host: we are talking homeland

security. we have our guest for the next 40 minutes and if you want to get involved, the numbers are on your screen out of houston, texas, our line for republicans, go ahead. caller: good morning. i am a republican and i believe that you have to have an extensive security system. it seemed like it is too convenient and things keep happening in the world today to further take our freedoms. are you familiar with false swag terrorism?

obama said that if the epa is going to enforce the carbon emissions, that has to go hand- in-hand with terrorism. hguest: one of the problems that government officials face is a number of conspiracy theorists. they believe that the threat of terrorism is not real. that hobbles the government in its efforts to convince americans they should not live in fear but at the same time, they should take these threats -- seriously. there's a sense of complacency cents 9/11. there have been a number of homegrown plots. generally speaking, there has

not been a successful terror attack, which is a good thing. because those plots of an episode, they have not been bunched together, it has led to a sense on the part of the public that the threat of terrorism is going away if there is one good thing about these plots, it is 2 _ for the average citizen that they should take these warnings from the government seriously. terrorism is a clear and present danger to the united states. host: you wrote an item for "the washington post"and you said it is more difficult for terrorists outside the united states to launch another attack by hijacking in airplane paor other things. you go on to say that the bad this is that the department of these targets has increased the appeal of shopping malls, sports

arenas, hotels, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, movie theaters, and other soft targets that remain relatively unprotected against terrorist attack. does this mean that in the future we will, in order to save, we will see more metal detectors at malls and grocery stores and restaurants? guest: it could mean that. it is unlikely on less there is a terror attack on one of these soft target. i wrote about the paradox of the soft target for the harder we make things, the more attractive it is for terrorists to go after shopping malls and restaurants and such. that said shopping centers are central to the american psyche.

we americans are very reluctant to institute these kinds of draconian measures in the absence of a terror attack. i hope we never have an attack on this front but we know that if there is one tomorrow, we will see these kinds of measures. host: our line for democrats from memphis, tennessee, go ahead. caller: i think security should be on the airlines. i don't think the united states would have the protocol to go to another country and do a proper inspection. that is what happens in these situations. the united states -- when you go to the airports in the united states, they do a great job as far as security. this gentleman was in another country and he came to the united states. i think the airlines will have to step up their protocol as far as inspections.

i think it to be left up to the airlines. i think they have more to lose than anybody if a terror attack happens. i think the onus should be on the airlines. we will either have to do that or we will have to stop letting people from other countries come to the united states. i of the united states wants to do that so they will have to start doing something as far as the airlines stepping up their security. guest: i disagree with that notion. people tend to forget that before 9/11, aviation security was the responsibility their lives. the screen as we have before 9/11 were airport contract employees. the reason for the creation of the tsa and the federalization of the work force, they work for the government now and how much security, it is because airlines are businesses. business is always put profit

ahead of the gelles print -- put profit ahead of anything else. there is less incentive for put in place these rather caused a security measures, given the economy. does the got responsibility of government and it should a parent -- it is the responsibility of government and it should be. they are taking over from the airlines checking passengers against watch less. the notion is that the government has not made all of its watch lists available to airlines for fear of compromise. airlines are inconsistent in how they use the terps watch list. -- the tower watch list. -- the terror watch list. it is the government's responsibility and they are doing it now.