there was eastern european nationalism. the ottoman empire was falling apart it is a wide group of people who were seeking self govern. one of these many groups was the jewish people, and zionism is nothing more than jewish nationalism. . .

>> was palestinian. they used to refer to the jews as palestinians. >> host: the zionist for the advocates for the jewish homeland. >> guest: they saw that and before anyone saw the end. they said the only thing we kid to -- can-do to save the remnants because they saw the past history and recent history, they saw it coming they made a deal with the reich to transfer the jews of nazi germany and other price of europe into

palestine. how you do that? that is impossible because who is running palestine? by the british. under the so-called mini system that meant it was turkish territory before that under the mandate system. there were rules in place. the jewish could not enter palestine without $5,000 cash or 1,000 british pounds. this is called a capitalist immigration certificate. how does it to leave nazi germany where there are currency restrictions where no one can bring reich marcs at the of germany had a they

get out as a refugee? the germans concocted this idea that the german goods would be sold it as german goods were sold, money would be produced. said you in germany would take his household possessions and assets and put them in a special bank. then a second bank was set up called at the annual palestine bank and the palestine. the money would be put into the german banks, the nazi goods would be sold by the zionist organization and especially in palestine. when the goods were sold, they genentech -- generated revenue that when did the anglo palestine bank they've been provided the money to the jews to bypass the currency restriction that

the british imposed if they would come in. in the process the nazis could restore their economy they could break the boycott but at the same time boycott the goods. the infrastructure of jewish palestine was built up. pipes steeled breweries homes cars and buses, all of these things that the germans made. i wonder when i first go to israel why are there so many mercedes-benz? that his rare it starts. >> host: is that what got you interested in the topic? >> guest: no. you actually get to that in a little bit. i wrote the book can explain how it happened. in the process, 25 years ago

i was the first one to talk about the economic consequences of the holocaust. at that time people said why are you talking assets? they are still trying to comprehend the enormity or the scope of the bloodshed of how many people died, how many people gas, how many trains were there? people were not talking about money. it dominates the conversation, i will my property back but in those days it was almost blasphemous, a few decades ahead of its time to discuss the many consequences. but i realized the scope of the bloodshed was linked to the economic impact of the holocaust. in addition i was the first one to use nazi and zionist in the same sentence. it is every where today

especially by the enemies of the jewish state. but at that time it was completely unexpected. that is why the book is extremely controversial that is why the media jumped on it did even though i did my best to convey the information it was quite shocking. we have people hiring psychologists to go on television. >> host: did people assume there was a sense of cooperation that is what was so disturbing? >> they said i was a blaming the jews for their own fate instead of the whole e weber a scheme in turns of. >> in terms of a rescue. in fact, had a problem with my own parents, who were survivors from the trains to treblinka who thought i was revealing something that should not be revealed.

>> host: i do remember the storm of controversy and there were articles coming out. and yet here we are today and it seems as if the jewish community is much more open to it. >> they are open because of course, i have been established in the jewish community, my credentials fight for jewish causes in justice and holocaust manners is now well established. back when i wrote this book originally the zionist organization of america canceled the publication of their american in the american scientist and had a cover story but today the head of the zoa has read the book and endorsed it as a

sensitive. >> host: what took you into this line of research? it was your first book? >> guest: it was my first book and prior to that i was a local investigative reporter and had done some international undercover investigations. are was involved in the undercover operation. the last slave state in the that middle of the indian ocean. when i did that, an agent approached me from william morris if the said we want you to write a book for us whether the top five books he would like to write? i give them ideas i said that the one that is too hot to handle is the transfer agreement. what really motivated me was the skokie march. i was fundamentally now leave. -- and i leave. i was a cloistered typical jewish neighborhood in

fireman's i could not understand how jews could operate against there perceived self-interest. during the skokie march interview the jewish attorney for the nazis and said how can you do this? at that time i was school by a professor who said there are many things we cannot understand. there was something called the transfer agreement and i did not believe it but finally i assembled a team of 20 or 30 historians and holocaust survivors. there was no second generation movement. we went into five or six countries and accumulated all of the information. some of it was not even that in the archives it was under people's desks being protected. i went to the deal back is a two and i assembled it and

put together a book. >> host: it is important. the la habra way this game was structured and then to try to uncover it, at a time before internet access must have been quite extraordinary. maybe you can share the way or the nature of the research that went into it to put together a team to pull the information together to one there was no internet or computers. the manuscript was typed and every time i changed a footnote they had to retype the entire manuscript. it was retype 30 times. i did this in the light -- late '70s and early '80s brick of everything was

assembled by hand and by carbon paper and by photocopied. there were very few xerox places in israel it was hard to make a copy but we assembled the team and we have all of these meetings. be found in the information. most people didn't know what we were looking for. at one point iran into an arc of this in israel who seem to know where all of the files were hidden. i said how do you know, so much about this? he said i was in the transfer agreement. the hebrew word means transfer limited so that was the name of the overall company. it was encouraged and cooperated with by the nazis and day and the zionist work together because they had the intersecting interest.

the nazis wanted the jews out of germany and the zionist wanted them into palestine. the nazis wanted to seize germany's assets and the zionist wanted to save the jewish german assets. the only way they could do it was by the transfer agreement. >> host: and not these were willing to work with the issues? >> guest: dad is right. >> host: but said desire was to exterminated jewish people. was it before that hathor it served a greater interest? >> guest: i understand a than nazi point* misunderstanding eight complex set of situations. actually professor sherman schooled me on the new approach to understanding both the reality and the perception of reality.

and the perception often dictates the real set of facts that occur on the ground and tumbling down the road. synopses saw working with the zionist as the most expedient way to stop the boycott and to get the jews out of germany. where were they going to go? palestine. there is another train of thought. the nazis believed in ethnic primacy. they believed that the germans had the primacy in europe and the jews needed to go to palestine "where they belonged" end quote. you have the fantastical

idea of the others publicly endorsing jewish immigration to palestine. the nazis struggling with the jewish star on one side and a swastika on the other wall jewish organizations were shut down the zionists were allowed to maintain their operation and were allowed to grow. but you must understand with the zionist published this newspaper, people were looking over every line in the office. people don't understand the nature of the invasive nazi regime. it is easy to say they could have fought back and in many levels they did. but the zionist was the realistic. the cold hard realist. >> host: within the context of the jewish community and the response.

there is a lot of misunderstanding were jews passive for resisting? you alluded a little while ago to the nature of the and tied nazi boycott. if you could share about the backlash and what could jewish community in response to the early rise to power. >> you need to look at this says to titanic forces. the boycott to cripple the reich and the transfer effort to save the jews. >> host: they seem to be parallel competing tracks. >> guest: no. they are on a collision course because they cannot coexist. the boycott movement did what had to be done. the jews condemned the nazis and they had million man marches.

there was a boycott in every city led by the american jewish congress. a famous name in jewish history there were organized ams >> but czechoslovakia's, england, f rance with germans good and services. there was opposition within the american jewish community. it is very easy for those people today and falsely believe but we both know that the jewish community back in the '30's was anything but monolithic. it is a very complex story but the committee was comprised or the leadership in this country where made the run by what was known as the german jews.

>> host: they did not want to rock the boat. >> guest: not only that they let all the vigorous protest. >> they fought back whenever the jews were persecuted. whether not the regime a question would take retaliation revenge that was never an issue. they had to stand up for a jewish rates. all over the planet. in this case the issues of our retaliated against was not some russian guy called sasha, this would now be the uncle, their cousin, their daughter. >> host: they were afraid there'd be a backlash against the jews in germany and they thought they should

back off 21 let's get names. the american jewish committee had anti-zionist in those days. not know of course. and also a german jewish in the major composition. these guys want to work quietly behind the scenes to petition government officials and wanted nothing to do with any vigorous protest against nazi germany. contrast that with the other organization not the committees were the least but the democratic jewish people with the american and jewish congress. it is like labor and management. it is the population against the ec and the population said we will protest this. what is the weapon the

average issue had to fight hitler? the money in their pockets. that is it. and not to use it for the nazi goods but at the same time whether we talking about? the height of the depression. if you boycott the german pharmaceuticals in china and other goods and services for the czechoslovakia, french, amer ican, a lot of people will join the labor unions. catholics were outraged by what was being done in germany. protestants. this was interracial and nonsectarian. it was led by the jews but they were very careful to be all-inclusive. >> host: keep in mind if the fed nativist movement and the jewish community was no where as near well organized or as willing to take the position they are today advocating on behalf

of the fellow jews because of everything you mentioned. in some way did it see into the jewish power? >> guest: that was the power of the boycott. you never measure it nickels or dimes. you measure in terms of the fear. how afraid are you of the boycott? >> host: were they? >> guest: the nazis believed in the jewish boycotts and believed in international jewish conspiracy which control the money and the market's. adolf hitler personally lined up his hero, at henry ford, and what brought henry ford down? a jewish boy caught run by the american jewish committee-- community and the congress against the ford motor company and this

was fifth with the in the minds of the nazi survey believe to end the boycott almost as much as the boycotters believe in the boycott. if anyone comes to you with statistics. they don't know what they're talking about. it is economic fear. >> host: how did the transfer agreement play into that backdrop? >> guest: without the backdrop the nazis would have no necessity to work with the transfer agreement so the boycott succeeded. >> host: they came and go around it. >> guest: that's right by subverting the boycott they could do the transfer agreement. the transfer agreement succeeded because it did bring good use out of germany into palestine and created a jewish state and had that not occurred occurred, nobody doubted what would happen the fate of those choose.

>> host: were there other areas of cooperation between the nazis and palestine's? >> guest: yes. none of this is simple. it is complex that is why i spent five years putting it together. jewish palestine was half agrarian if not mostly at that time in the 1930's. they did not own much of the land which they did buy with transfer agreement money. not a big infrastructure but they have farms. the biggest product was oranges. that was the biggest product of jewish palestine, the economic wherewithal. who was the number one customer from jewish palestine? nazi germany. now jewish palestine, which of course, was abruptly surprised on january 30th with a takeover by adolf

hitler. it now looks at the number one customer which is the third reich. if those oranges are not purchase there cannot be economic vitality for jewish palestine and there was a constant threat by the third at reich that we will not buy jewish georges from the palace but but fascist oranges from spain. the valencia. this is one of the undercurrents it is easy to see this in black and white my challenge and a four history to see what establishes the murky picture. >> host: but obviously just touching on what you said so far. it is not simple there is a lot of moving and shifting and maneuvering in terms of international merchandise so

can you share what were the dynamics and what were the assets? >> it starts off with it starts off with a good jew in germany taking his money and putting it into a blocked account. reich marcs were hard to identify. there were different marcs and there for values but across all of the fictitious and we'll systems there were about 5,000 reich marcs equal to the amount. the jew would put the money into a blocked account. that would be fundamentally a trustee account. and that would be run by a the bank in germany. than they would sell goods and pipes and taxis and palestine in lebanon and turkey.

they have all different types of commercial distribution for german goods. when the money was made available, it was deposited into a second bank. the name of the bank was the anglo palestine bank. that renamed itself after the state of israel was established and it is also a bank -- bank luni. the anglo palestine bank would clear through the international clearing house through the german trust fund and that would issue the foreign currency of 1,000 british pounds a capitalist certificate would be given to the german shoe and that german jew would then come across and in many times come across with a replica of his own home. carpet, building materials

materials, cars, a musical instruments and suddenly there was a massive german jewish infrastructure and economic infusion into jewish palestine. >> host: ask a simple question. was this then a situation whereby the jewish community was somehow contributing to the nazi effort to help finance what it is they want to do? >> yes. >> host: that must me one of the causes for such explosive reaction to your book. >> guest: yes. it is said deal with a devil. not that angels. the deal with the people who want to kill you. every time they rescued age you, they paid into the nazi economy.

and it is worse than that. there were many dynamics i never even wrote about but the jews were compelled to rescue jews in this fashion. >> host: a terrible choice. >> guest: but it was thrust upon good use, upon the zionist but you do not blame the hostage with a gun at their forehead. >> host: did the zionist can front door we have to do this and this is what we need to do? i assume i know the answer. they went on their own. >> they did not care about the jewish committee. in fact, zionism was controlled out of london until this time. by the time the transfer agreement came to the four, the access point*

zionist movement transferred to jerusalems of the people on the ground for making decisions and they were not just taking anyone on a first-come first-served basis they were building the state of israel. consequently they took the people who had a chance of surviving in the jewish palestine. not just anyone. >> host: when we say the zionist it is so beaters but any particular the years that we know of who were involved in advocating for this? >> yes. the entire jewish agency we are talking about another great, not black and white fabric. the jewish community was divided between the two different blocks. resigned as community was also not monolithic. it was called at that time the labor party.

anybody who has been to israel has been down the street of laws a row and he was the chief engineer of that agreement. and he was murdered for it on the beach of tel aviv at the location where the hilton and now stands. right there was no help and at that time and he was killed presumably by the followers of the dissident scientist faction. and that was led by a group associated with the revisionist. they call themselves the revisionist and the term at that time meant we have a new idea for a zionism. these were the fighting

zionist who said we want to fight hitler we do not want to have a deal with him. consequently the jewish community is torn apart and subverting the boycott. the zionist committee was fighting and had contentious votes in tearing their hearts out saying how do we could deal with the not these? right now it is common to say the nazis were not thinking of extermination. i am going into the record my first view of the word for my use of the word of the extermination in nazi literature goes back 1933. that is because that is the word they used in world war war cxxvi terminate the armenians was extermination. consequently because the

design is completely expected everything that happened because it was a complete lapse of jewish history of the worthlessness of jewish life on the hands of murderers they saw many die in eastern europe and other parts of the road to seven fast toward we're talking about the controversy of the book. on a personal level exposing with this in dealing with it and writing about it obviously must have been, i don't know ad hominem attacks or whatever, what was it like when the book first came out in that context? >> guest: this was my first book. i was in my 20s when i started it and came down 1984. i was the editor of a city magazine but i had never been exposed on the international stage. the book was published

worldwide. people were shocked, surprised, confused there was a town hall meeting set up in chicago to discuss this. it was supposed to be in a little gcc social room. by 1:00 so many people had made a reservation they had moved to a large synagogue then they moved it to a football stadium i had 1100 people waiting to hear me talk about this it was rough they said muammar qaddafi was financing me. i had picket lines and said my parents were from kuwait but of course, they are polish survivors. they hired psychologists to

psychoanalyze you could of course, the historical test of time. >> host: were you surprised did you anticipate it would have that kind of a reaction? >> guest: i anticipated because that was my reaction. i hated the project. >> host: but you like the book? >> guest: i wrote the book. it had to be written and i wrote it. >> host: a story you thought had to be told. >> guest: yes. i was on a quest. it was trial by fire before my first book in a prepared me well for other books. >> host: were you surprised with your research, when you started did it reveal what you ultimately learned about the whole set up? the entire book covers the minute by minute developments in the three countries accounting for the time zone shift and jewish

palestine, germany and the united states. we have diplomatic going back and forth and it only covers the first eight months of 1933. that is very intense. been accomplished what i wanted to do which is understand what had happened. >> host: of my question is for you surprised by the conclusion or as you started to get into it? >> guest: i did not want to find the conclusion that i had. it was pretty wide and it isn't like that with a lot of my books. never believe how far it will go and i take it to the end of the fact new-line. >> host: i remember you telling me at the ibm book and you stood at the museum staring at the ibm computer and wondering why is that there?

you have to process and think about it. what is the worst moment or the most gratifying moment as well? >> guest: the worst moment. what is the worst moment? the worst moment was probably when i had a guy. there were people attending one of my lectures, the undertaker and he said to my parents we want to bury your son's book. the best moment is when i won the carl sandburg award for the best book of the year and i became a celebrity in the jewish media and from there i had a syndicated column and 50 jewish newspapers all with

the transfer agreement. i did not even know there was a jewish media or at that time jewish newspapers in every city and the jewish newspapers plaster this all over and gave it a great deal of credence and gave me on trade to pursue my wider mission of exposing in justice against the jews against the holocaust prefecture morality and to the other things that i have done. >> host: at launch your career you became a columnist and jewish and newspapers and elsewhere to when i was syndicated throughout the world. in fact, louis farrakhan granted made the first interview for a jewish journalist because he had read the transfer agreement. based on that bookie actually made a statement often quoted that jews have a better religion, they made

a deal with the nazis. >> host: is that what he is referring to? >> guest: i know because the jewish author wrote it. there are a lot of antagonism to use the information to invalidate the jewish state. and use this information falsely to claim the holocaust did not exist. but the same people would use the bible or autobiographies or biographies or anything that they had. they are frustrated by the fact that i brought out the truth which is the jews, the zionist rescue the jews. there were transfer agreements and other countries. the potentiality of rescuing millions of jews. millions could have been rescued but ask yourself whether not if the nazis

would have been stopped by people running up and down the street with placards. of whether it took something more. the zionist were the only realistic of the time and by the way there was no country. there was no major corporation there was no major organization that did not have firebrand relations move to commercial and diplomatic with the nazis at that time. >> host: your website listed the different books you have talked about whether oil addiction or holocaust so this is not one that you usually talk about. >> guest: right. 300 events per year i talk about ibm, holocaust, oil addiction, the nazi nexus but all these books but i do not talk about 11. >> host: it almost seems

to me, i do not want to psychoanalyze but that you have a love-hate relationship with it. >> guest: i do. i always tell people read this book last. i have eight or nine books. in fact, i told a review were from the "miami herald", if you review this book, you will hate it. it is a not comfortable book to read but less comfortable to write but the holocaust is not comfortable. the truth is never comfortable. >> host: in the back of the book as well as when you signed it, you ask the question was it men or was a genius? >> guest: to shed any light on that? >> all a genius is based on madness. it was both. >> host: it is a brilliant work and important.

i want to turn things over to mitchell he will share with us some questions that the scholars have submitted and we will take it from there. >> it is hard to know where to start. but marching gilbert as you know, who is winston churchill's biographer and author of a forthcoming book of the 1400 year history wrote what do you think would be the impact of the israeli ability to observe the holocaust survivors in the '40's had the chance for agreement not occurred? >> the main value is 1.7 billion dollars equivalency in today's money that was transferred that was not trinkets but fundamentally infrastructure. when did use came over

during the hitler point* and after the fall of the third reich they came over and huge waves. where were they going to live? where were the roads going to be? had the transfer agreement never occurred in the 1930's, there never would have been the infrastructure too rapidly absorb all of these issues. fed not see program was not continued as you well know after world war ii by the arabs. they expelled approximately 1 million jews from the arab bullion's after the fall of the third reich. these people were not put into refugee camps they were quickly and sorg the name of

the immigration ministry in israel is called the ministry of absorption and a resort to these people. the answer is that the state of israel had not been aided with this important impetus during the depression years, it would have been, i think difficult to absorber hundreds of thousands of jews who came during the years to follow. this impact was anticipated. >> we have another question from the professor from california the executive director from scholars for peace in the middle east. there were other transfer agreements such as romania and hungary and czechoslovakia why didn't those succeed? >> if this is true. there was a chance for agreement in italy and

czechoslovakia and romania. the each have their own financing schemes. as the financing situation became more dire in europe then it went back to austria or europe we will then set up more transfer agreements to set up good use because you must remember there is a very important statement and i will quote a phrase that you know, . the world is divided into two places. those places where jews cannot live and those places where the jews cannot go. most people think that evian is just water but the evian is conference is what to do with hundreds of thousands of refugees were the door was shut and palestine was

the only door open. they were not allowed into most nations of the world. the transfer agreements have the possibility to transfer hundreds of thousands of jews from romania most hungarian jews were wiped out in transports and organized by one of the members of the board of directors of ibm. imagine if these jews came by the boatload literally into jewish palestine. what happened? of the war. economics stopped and international trade became ill legal and the zionist were not able to continue transferring the money is out into an effective and meaningful fashion. the war caught up with the transfer agreement before it

could catch up with the genocide. >> host: the author of many books on ethics and most recently the life worth living corbett -- says i recall when i told you about the transfer agreement you found it hard to believe that it happened been no left your research do you still find it hard to believe that it happened? >> guest: i did not believe that it happened because i was not smart enough for wise enough. irate was barely out of chicago. this skokie march where my parents lived, if i was presented with this information now, i would believe it in an instant press cry never would believe i am had a 12 year

pact, a widespread commercial coalition with the third reich to identify the juice and create the basis of the auschwitz stock to. i would never believe the rockefeller foundation would have financed a program that sent to joseph mangling into boschwitz. i believe these now because of the trial by fire i had when they did the transfer agreement. >> host: a second question a revisionist zionist was controlled by the jewish agency would there have been a transfer of premature german reparations to the state of israel and what might have been the political outcomes in the early history? >> i am often asked him constantly asked the what if question on the transfer agreement. what of the boycott succeeded or had never been

there? here's what i think i can answer. it is very dangerous. believes if the revisionists have control the transfer agreements at the time then i doubt very strongly there would have been a transfer agreement with the not these. what is important to explain is the delicate of the revisionist movement. they had good relations with the fascist italian regime because they believe in a very strict organization. they believe in that. but i do not believe based upon the immense reaction of the revisionist they would have ever allowed the zionist organization or movement to cut bed deal with them not seized. they did fight them.

and from that you can extrapolate on your own the economic consequences. where there have been reparations to israel? woes were actually calculated in 1938. by gold man. i had access to his unprocessed papers in the jewish archives in 19308. 1938 before the war broke out years before i shreds was established the zionists were already anticipating the worst. why? because they were realist when hitler said we will destroy the jews they paid attention and they went out and did mathematical calculations. i have the report from goldman and i have never mentioned it until this moment on what the

anticipated destruction coming economic would be if hitler succeeded in hitler almost succeeded. he succeeded 99% in many countries and he was stopped, but just barely. >> host: in 1938 that was also the year coming up on the 71st anniversary. >> guest: and you wrote a distinguished book on that. >> guest: one of the thing siphon london my book was even after seeing what went on the u.s. government was not willing to actively rescue jews. what did you find in your book for research about the u.s. government position back 1033 from the time of this agreement? >> guest: i think the doors began closing for the jews very quickly after the

first months of 1933. there were refugees every we're talking about south africa and australia, it was very common for the jews in germany to escape to austria in 1938. they went from austria to czechoslovakia and the germans followed them there then they went to france and the germans to go for france in a bifurcated fashion. when it was said the world is divided into places where the jews are not allowed to be, and not allowed to go, that was the reality. that was the dire challenge of the zionist. there is an important dichotomy. will be make enough to

restore jewish civil-rights or to rescue jews for national rights? either you take a dollar to keep aid to where he is and help them get through the starvation and post or you take a dollar and transfer. this is real politics. remember, even in the relief package is given to the german jews to get through starvation come with those also went into the german economy. this is too complex to be black and white and too complex, and almost for me. it took about five years to figure out. >> host: one expert on middle east affairs asks what do you think would be impacter the lack of it on the israeli economy if there had never been a transfer

agreement? >> guest: there are many institutions today, it infrastructure companies that i have taken for granted, they occurred due to the investment that came over with the transfer of assets. it is common for some people to say the transfer agreement did not rescue people, it rescued many. that is not true. it rescue people. it is true that was me to doubt and cadence with the purchase and distribution of nazi goods. but the fact of the matter is you have to buy these goods to rescue the people. what is interesting, when the jews were in the concentration camps, they did not say i am a german. or polish i am a zionist. i would wish to live. the zionist endorsed that. the jews have a right to live they saved the

improvements with a gun to the head. that has never been removed from the temple even though it is gone one or 2 inches away. the a gun is still cocked. if i can put in times this station times in today we have the iranians trained to do and 12 minutes what hitler could not do in 12 years. they understood there has to be a strong jewish state so they have the same national aspirations other groups do. >> a student in jerusalem and asks why did so many others failed to write about the transfer agreement? >> they did not want to. the transfer agreement was understood there were several treatises in german and in hebrew in academic circles. it is not like today where

somebody is a master's thesis and 70 people have access when i went to the leo beck institute in new york and i looked at the user guide and i said the files are supposed to be in this folder. where are they? they're arnet -- not in this file or cap'n it. >> he said they are under my desk and gave them to me. of the book tried to do what many historians did not seek to do which is to be all encompassing of a narrow topic. instead of a very slender matter. i had to work not in one or two archives, but 20 or 30 and i had to put all of this together. this was the invention of the edwin black approach to holocaust documentation.

never looked at one place, but 20, and put it together in a giant puzzle. the short answer why? they did not want to. by the way, i did not want to. >> host: i can see why given the uncovered devil subject. james matthews is a reader who wrote to could the world wide boycott topple the hitler regime if not topple by the zionist if endorsed by the zionist? >> guest: another what if question that it is impossible and inappropriate to answer but i will try. the boycott was not capable of toppling good german regime because remember, we're talking about a regime people who

quote statistics do not know what they are talking about. this was an illegal, a corrupt economy that stole other people's money as their own economic wherewithal. when they stop stealing from their citizens and from neighboring economies. it would only make the hitler regime more desperate but what the boycott could have done is possibly in the early stage, have an impact on some of the policies. we see it did happen to drop the boycott there is no chance for agreement. the only reason the nazis felt compelled to negotiate with their enemies was because the boycott was a weapon the nazis in their mythical confucian actually feared. >> on the subject of a boycott was it just a boycott of jews or bigger than that? >> guest: way bigger than that.

it was never called a jewish boy caught. there were catholics involved. some of the greatest figures in the new york archdiocese were involved, the polish, labor unions, the protestant community was involved, the organizer of the boycott against the nazis were careful to scope this not just as a jewish tragedy but one which was threatening the world. the do know what they say? the jews first and everybody else second. that is the way they did it that was extremely credible but when the jewish organizations backed off because of the transfer agreement, it was left to a bunch of unsupported random people who for years walked up and down the streets with protest signs and is still

carried the torch. i am glad they did. both were necessary. we needed to promote the hitler regime and save the jews. i am not unhappy that both occurred. >> host: fresno california computer programmer asks a related question granted what you're saying about the importance of the boycott did the zionist cooperate too soon and 42 little? >> people need to understand the minute to minute life in then not see dominated germany. if there was a scientist who pushed too hard on the german negotiator he could be killed or sent to a concentration camp. there was a limit to how far the zionist could play their own cards and the best card

that they had come with the best with the people over there who we cannot control, the american jewish organizations are protesting by the hundreds of thousands and bankrupting your companies which were falling by the wayside, and we have the ability to circumvent that. from the nazis point* of view, they were dividing the jewish community as well as surveying all of the other interest. no. they did not do too little too soon but did as much as they could as soon as they could but didn't in a different set of modalities. >> the the zionist think that jewish palestine would be safe or did they sure