something you would wear? >> it is, thidid wear it last year, wasn't it? >> well, the in the a-10 semifinals against xavier, you said you would give me the tie. i've worn it proudly. appreciate that. >> well, it looks good on you, steve. >> when you look at this year's team, arguablely the best start in 20 years, how important is it to be a part of this temple tradition? >> well, they mean a lot to me, they gave me a chance four year also go, just as the university of pennsylvania did 20 years ago, and i appreciate both of those programs.

coach john cheney has made me feel great. john cheney, and also someone you worked with, speed by morris. they're going to enter the big five hall of fame this week. >> that is a big part of philadelphia college, the fabric of philadelphia college basketball, and both those guys did great work for many, many years, and speedy is not only a great work at la salle, but in the high school setting as well, so his body of work has been phenomenal. i got a chance to coach with him for three years. coach aid against john chain. y for 17 years. they both kicked my butt pretty good pretty regularly, but i'm lucky to have brother of these guys in my counsel still. >> you've done a great job at. and here of developing leaders. everybody knows about ryan brook yours senior who is the leading scorer in this team, but guzman is a senior also, and a leader, but he's going to walk on friday to get his degree in three and a half

years. you have to be very happy about that. >> very proud of what he has done, and actually ryan brooks is one course away. he has one course to finish as well. so both of those guys have done great work on and off the court, and it really makes you proud as a parent, i'm sure their parents are very happy for them, but really as the surrogate parent as a basketball coach, i'm proud of what they have accomplished. >> you've talked about on and off the court. you're a teacher. you taught courses at wharton, and at temple. the name of the course is locker room to boardroom. high should a parent let their student or their child take this course? >> i appreciate that. actually it's a management theory and practice course. we just kind of nicknamed it locker room to the boardroom. i had nothing to do with that. and i do it in conjunction with a woman by the name of lynn anderson who does all of the work, and i take all of the credit, but we have some honor students in that class, and they're way brighter than me, and they challenge me every

day, and i hope that i can give them some worldly knowledge about what real life is about, yeah, you know can learn some things in the books, but on the street is another way of learning. >> coach, really appreciate it. thanks so much. >> my pleasure, steve. >> back to you, matt. >> matt: all right, thank you, steve. fran dunphy, 72-46 at temple. he has taken them to two ncaa tournaments, 2008 and 2009. temple on top 32-28. highlights andoyed; families searching for loved ones; parents trying to feed their children. but we can all do something. we can help the american red cross as it delivers the food, water, and medicine that can save lives. donate $10 by texting "haiti" to 9-0-9-9-9. visit redcross.org or call 1-800-red-cross. thanks for your help.

. >> matt: welll the big key here is the three-point field goals. 7 of 19 temple shot in the

first half. >> got to get the ball inside a little bit more. that's really been the tale of the tape. >> it was the ryan brooks show in the first half. he was outstanding. four of 7 from three-point range. >> get good looks passed from the inside out. the guy who is going to get it done is grown. he has 13 of 28 point. they really have to get the ball inside to the bell fellow for both teams. >> matt: derrio green was outstanding. 13 points, and spears was greet. the two of them need to be terrific in the second half for charlotte to come away with the, we. >> steve: i think defense is going to be key if the second half. >> matt: there we're ready to go with the start of the second half, as both teams are back on the court. temple on the way to their

third straight 20-win season. 17-3. charlotte 14-5 entering this game. in charlotte wins tonight, they would have a share of first place in the a-10. if temple wins they would have sole position as they would be the only undefeated team in the conference. >> steve: let's see if temple get this fall to eric and allen. that's what they're going to do, get it inside. >> matt: inside to eric, be that shot won't go, braswell, as he pulls it down, and fouled before the shot, and that's on, his third 37 and that's not good, this early in the half. temple,y don't want to see their big man sit on the bench. >> steve: a good move by braswell getting to the basket. if three, pointer by green that

missed. he was feeling net the first half, derrio green 13 points,way off on that last shot, but, boy lavoy allen can't get today go. good move inside by guzman. need is allen. >> steve: fran dunphy knows how to coach this game. every touch so far has been -- >> matt: sweet move by spears. and it's a four-point game. here >> matt: temple picked 6th in preseason polls. is that surprising that they were picked 8th and what they're doing now in. >> steve: it was surprising. think it was surprising that

rhode island was picked 8th, bit you never know. this tells you how good this is top to bottom. look at the game. really struggled, had some injuries early, but any one of these teams could win this league and win the conference tournament. >> matt: great pass by derrio green to braswell, who finishes for two. >> matt: and that's where green is really effective. we know he can shoot the outside jump shot, but he is quick off the dribble. braswell's first field gel of the game. inside to eric, rejected by braswell. charlotte can run. harris pulls it back. spears with a stutter step, right hand floater, won't go. rebounded by temple. allen pushes it to brooks.

>> matt: there's a key for getting open. shots. nobody steps up in the black jerry to take a charge, and an to get another assist in the lane. fouls now mounting for temple. another foul on lavoy allen. have two of the big men in there in foul trouble.

guzman the three. that's good. luis guzman, back to a 7-point temple lead. >> steve: seniors have taken over this game for temple. guzman and brooks. nice job of spotting up and hitting the three. randall finding guzman as that defense collapsed. foul called on charlotte. >> steve: you know, charlotte

is doing a nice job of getting the ball inside. spears is so big and strong, but when you're this big and strong, you have to go to the basket. you can't fade away. >> matt: good strong move by fernandez, but couldn't get the shot to fall. inside too spears. spears off the glass, good move. >> steve: he went in with it and used his body control, and really took a beating on that. a foul is called on charlotte. we're going to take a break. spears, a nice strong move to

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. >> matt: spears is a force down low, isn't he. >> steve: well, he he is, but now you'll see over here man on man coverage here, no help here. out see here where braswell moves away, nobody helps out down low. they're really play aing tentatively on the interior. that's why spears has to go sold today the basket and not fade away. nice move on that last play. >> so just take advantage of the fact that temple is in foul

trouble knowing he's not going to get that pretty much inside? >> exactly. and fernandez has two fouls, two, but there's nobody big inside right now that can defend against spears. >> matt: fernandez had it chipped away, but a foul called on braswell. that's his second foul of the game. the teams third foul. >> matt: fernandez only played 12 minutes in that first half. he sat out pretty much the last 8 minutes of the game, the first half. he's getting a little rusty. i'll tell you what, guzman is not rusty. early on it was brooks knocking down that jump shot, and now it's guzman. he's 3 of 4 from the outside. >> he has nine points in the

game. swinging around. driving, to braswell. >> steve: now you have williams as the bigger kid guarding spears, and they push him out to the perimeter. >> matt: that's not his shot. two of 13 from three-point range spears is on the season. >> steve: before the break, randall was guarding spears, after the break, it'swise. it'swilliams. little bigger body. 123450 strong >> matt: strong to the basket, but he's fouled by wilderness, his second of the game. >> steve: brooks, after his first early 12 points knocking it down and getting this team

go ting has been a little quiet. that time good dribble penetration trying to get into the lane. allen is now on the bench with two fouls, alone with michael eric. >> in for charlotte is jones. dewhurst taking a seat as wilderness and spears will get a short rest, i'm sure will be back on the floor very soon. rebound by dewhurst who just checked in. and strong to the hoop is derrio green, off the glass! >> steve: you see right here, nice inside hand change by green to get around fernandez.

fernandez caught on his heels. and once again, foul trouble plaguing the temple owls, but we've said that all game long. fran does's squad just hangs in there. next man in. >> matt: derrio green completes the three-point play. turnover, the other way. and now a foul as scootie

randall lost control. right now temple still trying to get the ball inside. but charlotte is a lot bigger done low. fernandez on the bench. braswell will go to the line for two shots. >> steve: this second half i've been impressed by the way that charlotte is really going at allen, going at randall and williams, and going at eric.

averaging just under a double double. fernandez still cannot find the basket. >> steve: temple has to respond right now, and not that way. >> braswell off the dribble. nice job by guzman. and originally they said charlotte ball.

after some persuasion by guzman, they said it will be owls ball. guzman for three. oh, he's been good from long range tonight. >> that's so impressive tomy.

he makes a turnover the play before, drops his head, comes back down the other way. that's senior leadership for you, stepping up and shooting the three. that shot won't go. >> steve: these going to call fernandez, getting his 5th foul. >> matt: temple with a 6-point lead. 11:35 to go.

this area right here, long rebounds come off of three- point jump shots. you see the long shot, long rebound, but then you'll see right here. in the middle, he missed it. see, fernandez was grabbing on dewhurst's jersey, and they got him for the foul. that's four fouls on fernandez. >> matt: braswell going strong to the basket off the glass.

now a 4-point temple lead. temple has never won in this building. >> matt: that was a beautiful dish from the big fella. an easy two. jones, long jumper is good. that's a it would-pointer. he can spot up and hit that shot. they're not afraid to design plays for him. >> steve: they've done that before. , especially at the end of the game, end of the half.

this is when i think you miss a guy like fernandez. brings his team, two. >> matt: jones now with six points, the miss. scootie randall a chance to tie for temple.

jones, that's a three. way off. >> matt: jones is a guy that last season was scoring more points. this year the scoring is down, but the rebounds are up, the blocks are up. he's being more adepress initial the defensive game. >> matt: guzman went to his left, ball came back around him, out of bounds. harris rushes the ball up the court.

spears back in the game. >> matt: the three off the glass won't go. >> steve: that's two errant shots when you have a chance to take the game, and now you give temple a couple of shots, they're going to take advantage. this is a seasoned temple team. >> matt: inside for brook, be a turn around jumper, good. >> steve: you can't give tez a chance. they're a solid team. you give them a chance, they're going to put you away. >> matt: three-pointer for green, good! charlotte back within one!

derrio green clutch. he's got 19 points! >> steve: you've got to love the heart of derrio green. >> matt: rebounded by spears. now a chance for charlotte to take the lead. >> steve: if they take the lead, this place will erupt. they've been waiting for the lead all evening. temple has not relinquished it. >> matt: this student section hasn't sat down the whole game. even at halftime they were stand aing up. derrio green has been fantastic in this game. he has 19, and he's been lethal

bobby lutz in his 12th year

at charlotte. two-time conference usa champion. led charlotte to post season 8 times. last season they were 11-20, the worst in his tenure in charlotte, but this season things have been a lot different. 14-5, and charlotte one game out of first place.

charlotte takes the lead. for the first time tonight, charlotte is on top! >> steve: man, he has ice water in his veins. the lead are of this team really just stepping up his game when it counts. jo who is this guy! phil jones, a beautiful touch! take another look at this!

phil jones 8 points, he averages just under 5. >> steve: going to be a foul on allen, and that is a big development. allen cannot get involved in the game right now. his fourth foul with six minutes left. a turnover by juan harris.

fans give him a big effort. here comes charlotte the other way with braswell. and the finish by braswell ! >> steve: you talk about great hands, that was a pass at braswell's ankles. >> matt: braswell doing it on both ends.

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. >> matt: charlotte leading the number 15th's ranks temple owls

with 5:25 remaining here in the second half. now launches the three. that's short, gets it to roll. there is a look hat the standings. if they win this game, they would improve to 5-1. temple would have their first loss in conference play, and there would be a three-way tie

between temple, charlotte, and xavier for first place in the a- 10. >> steve: anybody can win this league. >> matt: braswell's first is good. charlotte, the 13-0 this year, and they when they have a lead with 5 minutes left to go in the second half. >> steve: temple has not been penetrating in the lane.

share lot has really picked up the pace defensively in the second half. inside, off the fingers. good defense by charlotte. nice move by braswell with the block. gets a piece of it was williams.

7-1 on their home floor. good pass to braswell! harris had nowhere to go, and fed braswell. charlotte with a 7-point lead! the team has not sat down this entire game, and they are just absolutely floored with what they're seeing tonight. great play by harris. >> steve: he got bottled up by williams, but he's able to

throw the ball to braswell, and it's important to note how soft braswell's hands are. he has played so well the second half, ayong with phil jones. both doing a yeoman's job in the paint. >> matt: sure loss hat a chance to knock off number 15, traese abat ye up

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welcome back to hallton arena, where charlotte has a five-point lead over the temple owls. last season temple, they won the championship. how did they do that?

in the a-10 versus duquesne. temple won. the championship, went to the ncaa tournament, they defeated duquesne 6-64. a terrific season last year for temple. off to another hot start tonight, but in danger of loser here. allen could not complete the three-point play. and now a foul on guzman. guzman's second of the game. and temple will go to the line.

it's a 1-1. harris will shoot the 1-1. harris with his first point of the evening. harris is a guy that averages 7 or 9 points per game. 8.9. terrific assist man. cap pass the ball really well. has four assists in the game. charlotte has 10 more points from the line in temple. you talk about a guy like harris. he is unselfish. he doesn't care about anything other than the w. last year michael "gare"ty was going to lead. he talked him into staying. said i give up my starting position, but he has been very big this evening. >> matt: charlotte's lead up to 7. guzman driving, nice move, ball goes in and out, rebound scootie randall.

that's blocked inside! loose ball on the floor and it's a jump ball, possession arrow to temple. >> steve: you don't think this game means something to these two teams? bodies flying. temple doesn't want to use in the a-10, charlotte looking at the upset. great college basketball game. >> matt: charlotte as a team has blocked six shots tonight. >> steve: i thing jones has stepped up both ends of the court. complements braswell so well on the low block. >> matt: inbounds to brooks. three, got it! his first bucket of the game. >> steve: you could see it in his eyes. this guy is so call, cool, and collected, but you have to give credit to ryan brooks. he was looking at him the whole

time. big jumper by the temple owls. >> matt: a time-out as the lead is now cut to 4. >> steve: well, you see right here, you'll see brooks is over, he's going to bring the ball back over here, and nobody is -- okay, roll that. nice pick over there. by randall. he's looking here, ball fake, and stepping in, and beautiful rotation. that was set up by brooks. he was looking the other way, but was also eyeing fernandez. good ball fake getting fernandez open. >> matt: and fernandez can shoot the three coming into this game.

46 percent. take a look at this. 10th history all time temple. 6th in wins. 1728 victories for this temple owls ball club. that's a lot of wins. >> steve: they struggled a couple of years, but they've been back to back ncaa participants, they're all the national scene once again. fran dunphy is a great coach. >> matt: and it's the first time they've been ranked sense 2001. a big three by derrio green! >> steve: derrio green is a sick player. that's unbelievable! he was moving and fading away! >> matt: 24 points for green. randall trying to answer! he can't! she sharpshooter for temple misses. the foul called, and charlotte will go to the line! >> steve: very quick shot by temple, and now fernandez is going to have to get back in the game. but you watch green. watch him fade. he is fading back and to the left, but able to knock it

down. they always say if you can square your shoulders, you can hit the jumper. >> matt: derrio grown 24 points, 8 of 14 from the field. >> steve: he has also done a great job of getting to the basket and opening it up. when you have a good drive move to the basket, other people always open. he's dope a nice niece job of expanding this defense of temple. >> matt: charlotte's lead is now 8, courtesy of charles as to. time winding down on temple. they throw it away. allen says my fault to juan fernandez. >> steve: that's where fernandez was the last time, when allen got the ball, a lot of times you slice down and get

closer to the wing. that's what happens when. you sit on the bench for a long period of time. right nowallen and fernandez not on the same page. >> matt: a time-out as this place has just erupted. charlotte has an 8-point lied with 1:35 left to go. charlotte looking for their 15th win on the season, their 8th win at home, and looking to improve to 5-1 in a-10 play. if they pick up the win tonight, they'll be in a three- way tie with xavier and temple for first place. two guys that have led the way tonight, fill jones and chris braswell. braswell, i think that braswell has the softest hands.

he's able to pick up that errant pass and lay it in. obviously he is an offensive threat, but really i think charlotte is in this game, winning this game with their defense here in the second half. >> steve: phil jones with 8 points, braswell with 13. charlotte 3, time-outs remaining. temple with just one. as we take a look at phil joan's numbers, well above his season average. he's been a big factor of this 49er team. he's on the bench now.

>> matt: harris will go to the lean shooting two. asking moments ago for more crowd noise. >> steve: he is one of the better free throw shooters on this team, and actually charlotte leads the a-10 in free throw percentage, so a tough team to foul if you're trailing late in the game.

>> steve: there's no reason for jones to do anything but stand there. keep jumping. you don't need to jump. guzman make this first. >> you want to keep this clock running. you don't want to give them a three-point play. you have to keep the block moving. >> matt: and the second one rims out. and a foul. braswell will go tow in line. a 76% shooter. charlotte has a nine-point lead. >> steve: you would rather foul a freshman than a senior, but anybody for charlotte that you foul right now is going to be shooting probably 73 to 75%

right now, braswell, who shoots 76% has been a monster here in the second half. >> temple has really been aggressive here in the second half, and that has been the tale of the tape right there. first half was three-point shooting by temple. second half is the aggressiveness by charlotte, getting to the second half, getting fouls. >> matt: brooks for three. got it. brooks now with 20, and a time- out taken, as charlotte's lead is now down to 8. >> steve: that was just a

lapse of focus on charlotte's part. you know, brooks wide open behind the arc. hands on his hips, nobody anywhere near him, and able to spot up. that's that shooting practice for ryan brooks. >> steve: couldn't draw it up any better if you're temple. three time-outs remaining, not that they'll need him here with 1:01 to go, but foul should be on guzman, and going to the line for two is harris.

>> steve: that's a great call by guzman. now under a minute away from beating a top 15 team in temple. rebound, guzman can't get it to

fall. and a foul called. and that's phil jones. partially because those

a huge upset here as the charlotte 49ers and defeated the 15th ranked temple owls, in large part due to derrio green. he was sensational, the sophomore. >> steve: 26 points.

and it's going to be interesting to see whether or not any of the professors here are going to have 8:00 classes tomorrow here in charlotte. >> matt: i won'ter how many -- wonder how many students will make those classes tomorrow. charlotte defights temple, and now has a share of first place in the a-10 conference. for steve wolf and our entire college crew, i'm matt rosen. for the late nest atlantic 10 scores, log on to atlantic10.com. so lon this is a special presentation of the "the best damn sports show period." sometimes things hin ts. things we just don't expect. things that make you stop, take

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providing incentives for energy efficiency and clean energy are the right thing to do for our future because the nation that leads the clean energy economy will be the nation that leads the global economy and america must be that nation. [applause] [applause] third, we need to export more of our goods. [applause] because the more products the make and sell to other countries, the more jobs we support right here in america. [applause] so, tonight we set a new gold. we will double our experts over the next five years on increase that will support 2 million jobs

in america. [applause] [applause] to help meet this school, we are launching a national export initiative that will help farmers and small businesses increase their exports. and reform export controls consistent with national security. [applause] we have to seek new markets aggressively just as our competitors are. at america's sits on the sidelines while other nations signed trade deals we will lose the chance to create jobs on our shores. [applause]

[applause] but, realizing thoseefits also means enforcing those agreements so our trading partners play by the rules. [applause] and that is why we will continue to shape the doha trade agreement that opens global markets and why we will strengthen our trade relations in china and south korea, panama and colombia. [applause] fourth, we need to invest in the skills and education of our people. now, this year-- [applause] this year we have broken through the stalemate between left and right by launching a national competition to improve our

schools. the idea here is simple, instead of rewarding failure, we only reward success. instead of funding the status quo, we only invest in reform. reform that raises student achievement, inspire students to excel in math and science and turns around the failing schools that still the future of too many young americans from rural communities to the inner-city. in the 21st century, the best antipoverty program around is a world-class education. [applause] [applause] in this country the success of our children cannot depend more on where they live than on their potential. when we renewed the elementary and secondary education act we will work with congress to

expand these reforms to all 50 states. still, in this economy, a high-school diploma no longer guarantees a good job. that is why i urge the senate to follow the house and pass a bill that will revitalize our community colleges which are a career pathway to the children of so many working families. [applause] to make college more affordable, this bill will finally end the unwarranted taxpayer subsidies that go to banks for student loans. instead, let's take that money and give families a 10,000-dollar tax credit for four years of college and increase pell grant. [applause]

and let's tell another 1 million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only 10% of their income on student loans and all of their debt will be forgiven after 20 years and forgiven after ten years if they choose a career in public service because in the united states of america, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college. [applause] and by the way it is time for colleges and universities to get serious about cutting their own costs because they too have a responsibility to help solve this problem. now, the price of college tuition is just one of the burdens facing the middle class. that is why last year i asked vice president biden to chair a task force on middle-class families. that is why we are nearly doubling the child-care tax credit and making easier to save

for retirement by giving access to every worker, a retirement account expanding the tax credit for those who start a nest egg. that is why we are working to lift the value of the family's single largest investment, their home. the steps we took last year to shore up the housing market have allowed millions of americans to take out new loans, saved an average of $1,500 on mortgage payments. this year we will step up refinancing so that homeowners can move in a more affordable mortgages. [applause] and, it is precisely to relieve the burden on middle-class families that we still need health insurance reform. [applause] [applause]

now, let's clear a few things up. i didn't choose to tackle this issue to get some legislative victory under my belt. and by now, it should be fairly obvious that they didn't take on health care because it was good politics. [laughter] i took on health care because the stories i have heard from americans with preexisting conditions whose lives depend on getting coverage. patients to have been denied coverage, families even those with insurance, who are just one illness away from financial ruin. after nearly a century of

trying, democratic administrations, republican administrations, we are closer than ever to bring in more security to the lives of so many americans. the approach we have taken would protect every american from the worst practices of the insurance industry. it would give small businesses and uninsured americans a chance to choose an affordable health care plan in a competitive market. it would require every insurance plan to cover preventive care and by the way i want to a knowledge our first lady, michelle obama who this year is creating a national movement to tackle the epidemic of childhood obesity and make us healthy. thank you. [applause] [applause]

she gets embarrassed. [laughter] our approach would preserve the right of americans who have insurance to keep their doctor and their plan. it would reduce costs and premiums for millions of families and businesses and according to the congressional budget office, the independent organization that both parties have cited as the official scorekeeper for congress, our approach would bring down the deficit by as much as $1 trillion over the next two decade [applause] [applause] still, this is a complex issue and the longer it was debated the more skeptical people became. i take my share of the blame for not explaining it more clearly to the american people and i

know that with all the lobbying and horse trading, the process left most americans wondering what is in it for me? but i also know this problem is not going away. by the time i'm finished speaking tonight, more americans will have lost their health insurance. millions will lose it this year. our deficit will grow. premiums will go up. patients will be denied the care they need. small business owners will continue to drop coverage altogether. i will not walk away from these americans in neither should the people in this chamber. [applause] [applause] so, as temperatures cool, i want

everyone to take another look at the plan we have proposed. there is a reason why many doctors, nurses and health care experts who know our system best consider this approach a vast improvement over the status quo. but, if anyone from either party has a better approach that will bring down premiums, bring down the deficit, cover the uninsured, and strengthen medicare for seniors and stop insurance company abuses, let me know. [applause] let me know. let me know. [applause] i am eager to see it. here is what i ask congress though. don't walk away from reform. not now. not when we are so close. let us find a way

together and finish the job for the american people. [applause] let's get it done. let's get it done. now, even as health care reform would reduce our deficit, it is not enough to dig us out of a massive fiscal hole in which we find ourselves. it is a challenge that makes all the others that much harder to solve. and come up one that is then subject to a lot of political posturing. so, let me start the discussion of government spending by setting the record straight. at the beginning of the last decade, the year 2000, america had a budget surplus of over $200 billion. by the time i took office, we

had a one-year deficit of over $1 trillion projected deficits of $8 trillion over the next decade. most of this was the result of not paying for two wars, to tax cuts and an expensive prescription drug program. on top of that, the effects of the recession put a 3 trillion-dollar hole in our budget. all this was before i walked in the door. [applause] [applause] now, just stating the facts. now, if we had taken office in ordinary times, i would have liked nothing more than to start bringing down the deficit.

but we took office amid a crisis and our efforts to prevent a second the pression have added another $1 trillion to our national debt. that too is a fact. i am absolutely convinced that was the right thing to do. but, families across the country are tightening their belts and making tough decisions. the federal government should do the same. [applause] [applause] so, tonight i am proposing specific steps to pay for the trillion dollars that it took to rescue the economy last year. starting in 2011, we are prepared to freeze government spending for three years. [applause] spending related tr national

security, medicare, medicaid and social security will not be affected. but all other discretionary government programs will. like any cash strapped family, we will work with than a budget to invest in what we need and sacrifice what we don't. and if i have to enforce this discipline by phaedo, i will. [applause] [applause] we will continue to go through the budget line by line, page by page to eliminate programs that we can't afford in don't work. we have already identified $20 billion in savings for next year. to help working families, we will extend our middle class tax cuts but at a time of record

deficits, we will not continue tax cuts for oil companies, for investment fund managers and for those making over $250,000 a year. we just can't afford it. [applause] now, even after paying for what we spent on my watch, we will still face the massive deficit we had when i took office. more importantly the cost of medicare, medicaid and social security will continue to skyrocket. that is why i have called for a bipartisan fiscal commission, modeled on the proposal by republican judd gregg and democrat richard conrad. this can be one of those washington gimmicks that lets us pretend we solve the problem. the commission will have to provide a specific set of solutions by a certain deadline. now, yesterday the senate blocked a bill that would have created this commission.

so i will issue an executive order that will allow us to go forward because i refuse to pass this problem on to another generation of americans. [applause] [applause] and, when the vote comes tomorrow the senate should restore they pay-as-you-go law that was a big reason for why we had record surpluses in the 1990's. [applause] now, i know that some of my own party will argue that we can't address the deficit or freeze government spending when so many are still hurting. and i agree. which is why this freeze won't take effect until next year when the economy is stronger.

that is how budgeting works. [applause] but, i understand, understand if we don't take meaningful steps to bring in our debt, it could damage our markets and increase the cost of borrowing and jeopardize the recovery all of which would have an even worse effect on our job growth and family income is. from some on the right, i expect we will hear a different argument. if we just make your investments in our people come extend tax cuts including those for the wealthier americans, eliminate more regulation, maintain the status quo on health care are deficits will go away. the problem is that is what we did for eight years. [applause] [applause]

that is what helped us into this crisis. what helped lead to these deficits. we can't do it again. rather than fight the same tired battles that have dominated washington for decades, it is time to try something new. let's invest in our people without leaving them a mountain of debt. let's meet our responsibility to the citizens who sent us here. let's try common sense. a novel concept. to do that, we have to recognize that we face more than a deficit of dollars right now. we face a deficit of trust. deep and corrosive doubts about how washington works that have been growing for years. to close that credibility gap we have to take action on both ends of pennsylvania avenue, to end the outsized influence of

lobbyists, to do our work openly come to give our people the government they deserve. [applause] [applause] that is what i came to washington to do. that is why for the first time in history, my administration posts on our white house visitors on line. that is why we have excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs or seats on federal boards and commissions. but we can't stop there. it is time to require lobbyists to disclose each contact they make on behalf of a client with my administration or with congress. it is time to put strict limits on the contributions lobbyists give to candidates for federal office. with all due deference to the separation of powers, last week

the supreme court reversed a century law that i believe will open the floodgates for special interest. including foreign corporations, to spend without limit in our election. [applause] i don't think american elections should be bankrolled by america's most powerful interest, or worse by foreign entities. they should be decided by the american people, and i would urge democrats and republicans to pass a bill that helps correct some of these problems. i am also calling on congress to continue down the path of earmark reform. [applause] democrats and republicans. [applause]

democrats and republicans. you have trimmed some of this spending. you have embraced some meaningful change but restoring the public trust demands more. for example some members of congress post some earmark requests on line. tonight i am calling on congress to publish all earmark requests on a single web site before there is a vote, so that the american people can see how their money is being spent. [applause] of course, none of these reforms will even happen if we don't also reform how we work with one another. no, i am not naïve. i never thought that the mere fact of my election would usher in peace and harmony and some

post-partisan era. i knew both parties that fed the editions that deeply entrenched and on some issues there are simply philosophical differences that will always cause us to part ways. these disagreements about the role of government, about our national priorities and our national security have been taking place for over 200 years. they are the very essence of our democracy. but, what frustrates the american people is a washington where every day is election day. we can't wage a perpetual campaign were the only goal is to see who can get the most embarrassing headlines about the other side. a belief that if you lose, i win. neither party should delay or obstruct every single bill just because they can. the confirmation of--

[applause] i am speaking to both parties now. the confirmation of well qualified public servants should not be held hostage to the pet projects or grudges of a few individual senators. [applause] washington may think that saying anything about the other side, no matter how false, no matter how malicious is just part of the game. but it is precisely such politics that stop either party from helping the american people. worse yet, worse yet it is selling for their division among our citizens for the distrust in our government. so no, i will not give up on trying to change the tone of our politics. i know it is an election year

and after last week it is clear that campaign fever has come earlier than usual. but, we still need to govern. the democrats, i would remind you we still have the largest majority in decades in the people expect us to solve problems, not run for the hills. [applause] [applause] and if the republican leadership is going to insist that 60 votes in the senate are required to do any business at all, a super majority then the responsibility to govern is now yours as well. just saying no to everything may be a good short-term politics but it is not leadership. [applause] we were sent here to serve our citizens, not our ambitions.

[applause] so let's show the american people we can do it together. this week, this week i will be addressing a meeting of the house republicans. i would like to begin monthly meetings with both democratic and republican leadership. i know you can't wait. [laughter] throughout our history, no issue has united this country more than our security. sadly some of the unity we felt after 9/11 has dissipated. we can argue all we want about who is to blame for this but i'm not interested in relitigating the past. i know that all of us love this

country. all of us are committed to its success. so let's put aside the schoolyard taunts about who is tough. that is what-- between protecting our people and the polling our values. leslie behind the fear and division and do what it takes to defend our nation and for jim more hopeful future for america and for the world. [applause] [applause] ar. since the day i took office we've renewed our focus on the terrorists who threatened our nation, week of made substantial investments in our homeland security and disrupted plots that threatened to take american lives. we are filling unacceptable gaps revealed by the failed christmas attack with better airline

security and switcher action on our intelligence. we prohibited torture and strengthened partners from the pacific to south asia to the arabian peninsula. and in the last year hundreds of al qaeda fighters and affiliate it's, including many senior leaders, have been captured or killed. far more than in 2008. and in afghanistan we're increasing our troops and training afghan security forces so they can begin to take the we are increasing our troops and training elfgin security forces so they can begin to take the lead in july 2011 and our troops can begin to come home. [applause] we will reward good governance, worked to reduce corruption and support the rights of all afghans, men and women alike. [applause]

we are joined by allies and partners who increased their own cut men's and who will come tomorrow in london to reaffirm our common purpose. there will be difficult days ahead but i am absolutely confident we will succeed. as we take the fight to al qaeda, we are responsibly leaving iraq to its people. as a candidate, i promised that i would end this war and that is what i am doing as president. we will have all of our combat troops out of iraq by the end of this august. we will support -- [applause] we will support the iraqi government -- we will support the iraqi government as they hold elections and will continue to partner with the iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. but make no mistake, this war is ending, and all of our troops

are coming home. [applause] tonight all of our men and women in uniform and iraq and afghanistan and around the world -- they have to know that they have our respect, our gratitude, our full support. and just as they must have the resources they need in the war, we all have the responsibility to support them when they come home during the [applause] [applause]

that's why we made it the largest increase in investments for veterans in decades. [applause] last year -- that's why we are building a 21st century the va what to support military families. [applause] [applause] even as we prosecute two wars we are confronting the greatest danger to the american people, the threat of nuclear weapons. i have embraced the vision of john f. kennedy and ronald

reagan through a strategy that reverses the spread of these weapons and seeks a parole without them. to reduce our stockpiles and launches, while ensuring our deterrent, the united states and russia are completing negotiations on the farthest reach an arms control treaty in nearly two decades. [applause] and apr's nuclear security summit, we will bring 44 nations together here in washington, d.c. behind a clear goal, securing all vulnerable nuclear material around the world and forgers so they never fall into the hands of terrorists. [applause] of these diplomatic efforts that also strengthened our hand in dealing with those nations that insist on violating international agreements in

pursuit of nuclear weapons. that's why north korea now faces increased isolation and stronger sanctions, sanctions that are being vigorously enforced. that's why the international community is more united and the islamic republic of iran is more isolated. and as iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations there should be no doubt they, too, will face growing consequences. that is a promise. [applause] that's the leadership we are providing, engagement that enhances the common security and prosperity of all people. we are working through the g20 to sustain a lasting global recovery. we are working with muslim communities around the world to promote education and innovation. we have gone from a bystander to a leader in the fight against climate change. we are helping developing

countries to feed themselves and continuing the fight against hiv/aids. and we are launching a new initiative that will give the capacity to respond faster and more effectively to bioterrorism or an infectious disease. a plan that will counter threats at home and strengthen public health abroad. as we have for over 60 years, america takes these actions because our destiny is connected to those beyond the shores. but we also do it because it is right. that's why as we meet here tonight, over 10,000 americans are working with many nations to help the people of haiti recover and rebuild. [applause]

that's why we stand with the girl who yearns to go to school and afghanistan. why we support the human rights of the women marching through the streets of iran. why we advocate for the young man denied a job by corruption and danny guinea because we must stand on the side of human freedom and dignity. always. [applause] abroad america's greatest source of strength has always been our ideas. the same is true at home. we find unity in our incredible diversity. drawing on the promise enshrined in our constitution. the notion that we are all created equal, that no matter

who you are what you look like, if you abide by the law, you should be protected by it. if you adhere to our common values, you should be treated no different than anyone else. we must continually renews this promise. my administration have a civil rights division that is once again prosecuting civil rights violations and in employment discrimination. we finally strengthened -- [applause] we finally strengthened our laws to protect against crimes driven by heat. [applause] this year, this year i will work with congress and our military to finally repealed all that denies gay americans to serve the country they loved because of who they are. [applause] it's the right thing to do. [applause]

we are going to crack down on violations of equal pay laws so that women get equal pay for an equal day of work. [applause] and we should continue the work ix immigration system, to secure our borders and enforce our laws and ensure everyone who plays by the rules can contribute to our economy and enrich our nations. [applause] in the end, it's our ideals, our values that built america. the values that allowed us to forge a nation made up of

immigrants from every corner of the globe, values the drive our citizens still. every day americans meet their responsibilities to their families and their employers. the time and again, they lend a hand to their neighbors and give back to their country. they take pride in their labor and generous spirit. these are not republican values or space values that they are living by. business values or labor values. they are american values. unfortunately, too many of our citizens have lost faith that our biggest institutions, our corporations, our media, and yes, our government still reflect these same values. each of these institutions are full of honorable men and women doing important work that helps our country prosper.

but each time a ceo three words himself for failure or a banker puts the rest of us at risk for his own selfish game, people's doubts grow. each time lobbyists game the system or politicians tear each other down instead of lifting this country up, we'd lose faith. the more tv pundits reduce serious debates to silly arguments, big issues and to sound bites, our citizens turn away. no wonder there's so much cynicism out there. no wonder there is so much disappointment. i campaigned on the promise of change. change we can believe in, the slogan went. and right now i know there are many americans who are not sure if they still believe we can change. or that i can deliver.

but remember this: i never suggested the change would be easy or that i could do it alone. democracy in a nation of 300 million people can be noisy and messy and complicated, and when he tried to do big things and make big changes and stirrers passionate controversy. that's just how it is. those of us in public office can respond to this reality by playing it safe and avoid telling hard truths and pointing fingers. we can do what's necessary to keep the poll numbers high and get through the next election instead of doing what is best for the next generation. but i also notice: if people have made the decision 50 years ago or 100 years ago or 200 years ago, we wouldn't be here

tonight. the only reason we are here is because generations of americans were not afraid to do what was hard to read to do what was needed even when success was on certain to lead to do what it took to keep the dream of this nation of life for their children and their grandchildren our administration has had political setbacks this year, and some of them were deserved. but i wake up every day knowing that they are nothing compared to the setbacks that families all across this country have faced this year. and what keeps me going, what keeps me fighting is that despite all the setbacks, the spirit of determination and

optimism, the fundamental decency that has always been at the core of the american people, that lives on. it lives on in the struggling small-business owner who wrote to me of his company, none of us, he said, are willing to consider even slightly that we might fail. it lives on in the woman who said that even though she and her neighbors have felt the pain of recession we are strong, we are resilient, we are american. it lives on in the eight year old boy in louisiana, who just sent me his allowance and asked if i would give it to the people of haiti. and it lives on in all of the americans who've dropped everything to go someplace they've never been and pull people they've never known from

the rubble prompting a chance of usa, usa when another life was saved. the spirit that has sustained this nation for more than two centuries lives on in you, its people. we have finished a difficult year. we have come through a difficult decade. but a new year has come. a new decade stretches before us. we don't quite. i don't quit. let's seize this moment to start a new, to carry the dreamed forward and to strengthen our union wants more. thank you. god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. [applause]

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>> -- here in washington, d.c. and we are life in the statuary hall which is maybe 20 yards from the house of representatives where president obama just spoke and is just leaving the chamber. this evening from that whole we are going to be talking with members of congress, getting their reaction to what the president had to say this evening. and we are starting off this evening with republican mike castle of delaware who is also the senate candidate, he is a congressman that is running for senate from the state of delaware. congressman castle, overall what were your impressions of the president's speech? what did you specifically agree with? >> first of all, i thought it was a solid speech. secondly, i think he delivers the speech as well as anybody i've ever seen deliver a speech and that is always a tremendous

asset for him. i happen to agree with parts of it. i happen to agree with what he sought to do for education. certainly some of his statements about some of the security of the country, the military security of our country dealing with iraq, iran, issues such as that, all i agree with what he is saying with a freeze on discretionary spending at the government level but he doesn't seem to have a methodology to make it stick. he claims using the veto may be able to do that. i hope he means that, because i truly believe we need to deal with that issue even more than we have. i wasn't surprised, but it was sort of interesting to note that he didn't spend very long on health care. he said we needed to move forward. he didn't necessarily see we need to move forward on a specific bill or another to move forward on health care. that is as far as i went on that issue. unfortunately the track record last year wasn't particularly

strong, particularly in the area of health care, and i thought his beginning and which he indicated that the stimulus bill and a variety of other things helped actually save jobs in america was a little bit light in terms of factual back up. so that worried me -- >> there were two issues, one the republicans stood up and clapped on, one they did not. nuclear power and gays in the military. >> nuclear power is something which i watched the stand on that and a lot of democrats stood, too, which surprised me because i think it is an issue mostly carried by republicans. but we have had a real transfer into this country the last three or four years which people are now supporting nuclear power. they realize we have a lot of problems in terms of power as far as the future is concerned we are going to have to go to nuclear power and that's an important issue. and as interesting to see the number of people that stood for that issue. on the gays in the military,

that's a very complex subject, and obviously if we could result in some way or another we should. it's something i certainly would consider one way or another. you know, the don't tell policy is one which may be passed at this point so we need to continue to look at that piebald know if anyone has had a firm proposal that people can really embrace and say this is the right answer. that still remains to be seen. >> kuhl is the senate campaign going? >> my campaign is going fine. i always thought i was going to run against jul and's son, boe. now the democrats are looking for other candidates and i sure they will find a good candidate, simply there's a lot of good officeholders and democrats in delaware. but it should be a good race and i have my fingers crossed. i will keep raising money and knocking on every door i can and try to get elected the next year.

>> congressman mike castle of delaware. thank you. we are here in statuary hall talking with members of congress this evening getting their reaction to the president's speech.

so we can sell the challenges we face which are significant. >> do you think the president was correct in calling out republicans to help with the leadership issues? >> i think the whole notion of an eric antone that comes across over and over and over is probably more destructive to the process then not. what we need to be doing is working together. that is what the american people want. they don't care what that the solutions come from the republican side of the democrat side, they want solutions and the problems we have seen is that the solution still match the challenges. the american people have recognized the solution is this administration and the leadership it congress have put forward are not the solutions that they want to embrace. what i was hoping would here tonight is a recognition of that fact by the president. in fact what i think what we heard was a doubling down on the policies he has promoted, the national energy tax, the health care bill the american people

belmond, a more stimulus that does not stimulate anything other than larger government, more bailouts. that is when he promoted this evening and i don't think that is what the american people want. >> tell us about the republican study committee and speak to the issue of federal spending. >> the republican study commission is the largest caucus in the house of representatives, 116 strong selva the fight conservatives and smaller government lower taxes and greater individual liberty. in terms of spending, we strongly support a significant decrease in federal government spending and a real decrease, not a freeze at a level which is what the president has supported. we believe you want to get what we call it penny on the dollar. you are to be able to decrease in the-- spending one send out of every dollar a year over the next ten years. nondefense discretionary spending. juan send out of every dollar every year for the next ten years. that in fact of the one i wrote

to balancing the budget. >> congressman tom price said of the republican study committee and a resident of georgia, thanks for being with us at statuary hall in now on the other side of the aisle is a freshman member, paul tonko a democrat from new york, the state of new york. overall how did the president do? >> i think he did tremendously well. it was a very straightforward this discussion has he put together an agenda blueprint for future. i was impressed by his talk about growing the economy. after two years before his it administration losing 7 million jobs, we have got to swing upward. we have stopped the bleeding of the recession and now our task is to build a new economy. i think his emphasis on small business, on manufacturing, bolstering manufacturing, dealing with an innovation as a concept, and with the clean energy economy are all good

underpinnings of support that allow us to grow a strong foundation that will produce jobs that are not yet on the radar screen. i think that is a very important so i thought it was a good challenge to us to take the dollars recovered from wall street with penalties put on them for you know, for the recession that we have had, using those dollars that are recapture to provide the 30 billion-dollar plan for growth in the economy with small business assistance. >> is there attend-- tension between the white house and house democrats? >> i don't think that there is tension. i think they are a lot of issues we have worked on, a jobs package. i think jobs are premiere and the discussion. there may be differences on how to accomplish that but i think they are thoughtful and the dialogue is meaningful and productive. the same is true in health care. as the president has pointed out so often one in every $6 of our economy is related to the health

care industry. our businesses are saddled with the nord knit cost. if they try to provide health care, many of drop that because we have had an escalating price tags so we need to fix that system because of the many jobs it produces and defines and certainly because of the growing price tag on health care. for those who were injured, we are at risk because the projection is $1,800 per year for family plan into the future. something is that to be done. it is unsustainable and it is unsustainable for the business community along with families and households. so, i think there are things that can be done. the dialogue between the democrats in the house and the president our productive. we have a strong plan that we outlined, did a jobs package and our health care package and energy package all of which take is to a new air of an economy bolstered by a clean energy rates. i agree with the president, we have precious little time to

waste. their countries that are investing a number of dollars, a great bit of dollars into their clean energy economy. we need to see this with the same passion and resolve that we have reviewed the global race to land a person on the moon. >> does that include new nuclear power? >> i think the president is speaking to all sorts of green energy. he is looking at nuclear as part of the mix because we need to address carbon emission. and i think when we go forward we need a diverse mix. he is pushing very hard renewables. he is using energy efficiency. i see that as our fuel of choice. i believe glenny to go forward and see that as a way to reduce them because we have some of the most consumption and all the world. and we can do better and we can create jobs. simply by retrofitting our businesses and our homes to a more sound energy environment. that produces a great investment in our economy. for every billion dollars

invested in energy efficiency, we are growing 8,000 jobs. so that is a good grid by which to follow and conduct ourselves into the future with a stronger energy economy. >> congressman tonko, thank you for being on c-span and we continue live from statuary hall about 20 yards durso from the house of representatives. in fact is used to be the old house of representatives chamber until 1835, when they built the new one and i hope i got the right congressman. you can see here in the crowd a lot of media, a lot of members of congress talking to all the different media outlets, some local some national and we will be like as we talk with members of congress all evening and now we are joined by another republican, this one from nebraska. mr. terry to things in a speech you agreed with? >> i appreciate as a fiscal conservative that he actually talked about jobs, job creation in the private sector, helping

small businesses. he talked about the budget freeze. those are all-- and earmark reform. those are all things as a fiscal conservative i appreciate analogist what to see more than words. i want to see action on those but i will be hopeful. on ayn g he is right on. we need to tap all of our energy resources and become independent, so those are two things that i appreciated him sing to my. >> and on the opposite call on? >> i thought there were few things in that speech. first of all i did not like this golding. there were some shots and there didn't think were necessary at a time when we really do need to come together. it did sound like kean wants to dig his heels and on health care. i think there can be bipartisan reform on health care, elimination of the free existing exclusions, bringing down the overall costs, but it sounded like you want to dig his heels in and i was disappointed to hear that.

>> you have a senator in nebraska who seems to be under a little bit of political fire because of his vote on health care. do you agree with that? would you like to comment on that? >> senator nelson is a friend of mine but he has been taking a lot of heat at home-- >> do you agree with that he? psi duper go to be blunt, i thought, i fought hard against the bill. i thought it was a bad piece of legislation and didn't really go to the heart of reducing costs and getting more people included under health care. it went the wrong direction that most nebraskans wanted and that is why ben is running commercials, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of campaign commercials to try to rehabilitate himself with nebraska voters as the one the president comes to the house republican retreat on friday in baltimore that you have a chance to estimate question, what will that be? the fee is really sincere about

working with the other side. he mentioned that again with health care but yet i have their requests in for months to talk about what i thought were reasonable reforms that the people would appreciate, that republicans could support. i am still waiting for that. i heard an invitation again tonight. i will put in another request to go on top of the several other requests, so if he really wants to work with us, he actually has to talk to us once in awhile. and that is the message and want to get him when he meets with us on friday. >> lee terry, republican from western nebraska? >> omaha metropolitan area. >> and vechten clyburn night the number of the old treasury secretary hank paulson will be in conversation with warren buffett that the omaha chamber of commerce and c-span will be covering it as well as booktv. it mighttteneng. we appreciate that and we are still lead the statuary hall and earlier we talked with mike

castle who is a republican senate candidate from delaware, and now from illinois and we are going to put him right on the x, the republican senate candidate from illinois, mark ker. did the president give you anything to use in your senate campaign tonight? >> there were some pluses and minuses i wrote down, the pluses and minuses part of the plus side, earmark reform, no foreign campaign contributions and the discretionary spending freeze. on the minus is it looks like we have a trillion dollar deficit as far as the eye can see, no reset on the health care bipartisanship and his spending restraint only covered .5% of the federal budget. >> i see bank taxes, stimulus bill then second stimulus. >> that is right he is also calling for new bank taxes but that will cause a credit crunch again small business. he says the stimulus worked. i think we all agreed that most of the stimulus bill bennett

called for a second stimulus spending bill. i think that is a very problematic given the deficit we already face. >> when it comes to spending, how would you like to see spending dealt with? >> i think we should not only restrain spending, we should cut it. there are a number of federal programs we should terminate. when you are facing trillion dollar deficits as far as i can see things like a failed sugar program, bridges to know where, most congressional earmark should end. also the president said 95% of americans got a tax cut. i think a lot of americans would think, if 95% of americans already got a tax cut why am i not part of that group and they are wondering where their tax cut was. >> what are you hearing in illinois about the president? >> the president still remains slightly popular. i think he has a 55-56 approval rating but overwhelmingly the people of illinois want to see a

check and balance on this congress. and underneath every issue in illinois is corruption, focusing on the, criminal trial of governor rod blagojevich. >> that will be happening during the campaign. >> that will be happening this june as scheduled then be will see a number of key figures brought out in that trial, sordid the underpinning of the chicago machine expose. >> wincher primary code? >> the primary for illinois next tuesday. >> let's say you when that. will you be using former governor blagojevich as a campaign weapon? >> i think the issue of corruption is underneath everything in illinois. recently i completed my second preserve tour of duty in afghanistan. i met with the afghan agriculture minister and he said you all seem like a normal active duty officer commander. i said that is right, i may reserve is. he said what you do in civilian life? i said i am a congressman in

illinois. he said in afghanistan we know corruption but not like that. >> you are in the reserves for the president called for a lifting of the ban on in the military. >> i don't think we should change the policy. but my focus on military policy is he back the surge in afghanistan and that is a good thing. i think we are winding up the mission in iraq. that is a good thing and i was touched by the first lady and the second lady, mrs. obama andr focus on military families which i think is warranted. >> marker, republican of illinois, thanks for your time this evening. still live from statuary hall for the coming up next is another democrat. this is judy chu chu is a democrat from california and she is joining us now first of all congresswoman tell us about your district. >> my district is in california in san gabriela valley. >> how newer youtube congress? >> i was elected in july.

>> this is your verse state of the union your first chance to see it. give us your overall impression. >> i was impressed by president obama's speech. the need to focus on the economy and provide solutions and i think he did just that. he brought home the way that people are experiencing this crisis andy provided solutions in terms of focusing on jobs in terms of getting more credit to the american people and curbing the excesses of wall street. >> what are you hearing from people in your district about washington and specifically about the congress? >> i think that people are frustrated. i think they are mystified by why things have not been moving forward, and i think that the president put all of this into context. he said that sometimes we do reach these kinds of stalemates but that we need to move forward

and in fact to put all the work of the past year into context and urged us to move forward. i thought it was the unifying kind of message. >> and, how popular is the president in your district? >> in my district he is very very popular. he was elected in my district with a wide margin. >> do you think there is conflict between the white house and congressional democrats? >> i believe that their differences in opinion, and i do think however, with today's speech, that there is more unity than ever and in fact i was so encouraged to hear him say that the senate should pass several of the bills that the house passed, including on the climate change, on the student financial aid and wall street reform. >> judy chu one of the newest members of congress if not the news.

i think your second third third malin saniora become the third newest member of congress, a democrat from california. thank you for being on c-span. coming up next is a republican from indiana and his name is mike pence. he is in the leadership and as a member of the republican leadership, congressman pence, what would you say to president obama when he called up the republicans for their share of not taking on leadership? i did not phrase that very well that you know what i meant. >> i am someone to come in my first few years in congress, fought against a lot of runaway federal spending under republican control. so, you know the president makes a fair point that republicans doubled the national debt in the eight years of the bush administration but what they tend to neglect is they passed a budget last year that will triple the national debt in the next ten years and that is not accounting for the massive expansion of government their health care reform and the

cap-and-trade legislation, so i know the president said he did not want to relitigate the past. that is fine. there were failings in the past but the answer is not to take runaway federal spending in the past and put it on steroids which is what democrats have been doing at the present for all intensive purposes tonight sounded like he was reviewing its commitments to expand. what we hope tonight for a course change in what we heard tonight from the president was we are doing a government takeover of health care, going to do an energy tax and all new forms of spending and some day down the road in 2011 and beyond we are going to get serious about fiscal discipline. that had to be a disappointment to millions of americans. >> you are elected they believe and i am going to get this wrong, in 1994. >> a few years after that. >> a few years after that, okay. deasy another 1994, in 2010? >> i believe the american people

have had it with washington dc. they are tired of the baring, spending, the bailouts in takeovers and i think what you saw in new jersey and virginia and you saw a week ago in massachusetts is evidence of the american people aren't going to take their country back. they want to put men and women into office and they are going to be serious about fiscal discipline and reform, a series about job creation and respect they common sense and common values of the american people. hi and lofty speeches with lots of rhetoric are fine. the american people want action to get spending under control and get this economy moving again, and make sure the state of our union is stronger than ever in the 24 suntree. >> finally the president called out radio talk-show hosts and their former radio talk show hosts, a frequent guest on sean hannity and rush limbaugh. what did you think about that line? >> look, i was disappointed in

many aspects of the president's remarks. i was disappointed he called up the supreme court of the united states while they were sitting in the front row in the people's house. look, later in his speech he made the better point. freedom is a messy business. the freedom of speech allowing c-span cameras into negotiations on capitol hill can be, can create difficulties for a leading government but it is still the right thing to do. the freedom of speech on the airwaves of america is still ride for america. that is where founders enshrined the freedom of the press and freedom of speech in the first amendment. but i really think it was a lost opportunity tonight for the president. he had a chance to hit the reset button, to start over with the american people to say i got the message. we are going to focus on getting spending under control and getting the economy moving again and abandon this pathway of the

government's and instead we heard them redouble his commitment to the government today while pledging to reduce government tomorrow. >> mike pence represents the district in central, northern eastern and again from fort wayne done to columbus. >> i had my son at his first day of the union address. >> this is your son. michael, which you go to school? >> union ton high school in arlington. >> were you going to college? >> hopefully perdue university. >> why did the perdue? >> because of the engineering. >> what you want to be when you grow up so to speak besides a congressman? >> hopefully a naval aviator. >> are you doing it on the program? >> i applied, yes. >> good luck to you. thanks for coming out. lester didn't you have your daughter with you? >> i had my daughter. >> thanks congressman. in a neighboring state is the senator from ohio and that a sherrod brown.

we are going to put you on x. senator we appreciate your coming by and talking with us here on c-span. the president was just in your home state. t.d. go with him and did he say anything tonight that would resonate with the people of laredo? >> it was my home county, spent 62 years that president harry truman was in the county. it was an exciting moment but more and partly than that, he spoke, he went to see some small manufacturing companies. ninos manufacturing is how you work your way out of the recession. you need to make sure these small companies which you referred to tonight in the state in o'leary ohio could get financing and get credit. many of these companies have the capacity to manufacture more and they have the customers that are ready to buy. they just need capital so they can begin the production and that is the only way to get the economy moving. >> what tonight did he say that

would help ohio? >> i think the most important thing he said was first over all the focus on jobs and everything is all about jobs but more precisely, specifically he talked about taking $30 billion of t.a.r.p. money to the banks who have paid back and put that in regional and community banks so they can begin to loosen credit and begin to loan in these companies. that will help the transitioning from a company in cincinnati, a steel company in cincinnati that used to make steel drums from oil and gas fields and now they are making steel for wind turbine components. those are the kinds of things that that fund can do to provide credit to help small and medium-sized businesses from toledo to a family to mansfield begin the kind of job creation that will pull us out of this recession. >> the president called on senate republicans to share in responsibility if they are going to make 60 votes the benchmark

for passing anything in the senate. >> we are the only democracy in the world i think that requires a supermajority to get anything done. my three years in the senate, order of republicans have used the filibuster i believe more than the last 25 years in american history, and we can't come in the can't govern if they are just going to say no and block one thing after another after another. so i want them to work with us. we can do this but they can't just say no and block every initiative. they also can't insist on governing the way they used to. the fact that republicans insist on tax cuts for the rich, not paying for anything in more deregulation is what got us into this mess. the these lost jobs, these huge deficits in this implosion on wall street are solutions we have tried in the person said obviously bidded where can we have to try new things. we need the republicans to work with us. >> is health care dead? >> health care is absolutely not

dead. and ohio 390 ohioans from ashtabula to boston, 390 lose their health insurance every single day. the cost for people with insurance is going to double, premiums, co-payments and deductibles. we have got to address it. test it b done comprehensibly. we will move forward on it and do it in the next few weeks. >> sherrod brown as a freshman senator from ohio who spent several years in the house of representatives prior. he is with us here on c-span2 as we continue to interview members of congress here in statuary hall. hi congressman. i am peter slen. nice to meet you. another democrat from ohio is now joining us and this is john

from ohio. congressman, first of all tell us about your district. >> my district has suffered disproportionately to the rest of the country. we have seen manufacturing jobs leave but we have resilience people. ready to get the required skills to the people. canton no hi was the center. we have a lot of pride in our heritage. >> what did the president say that you can bring home? >> the president said this singular focus is on jobs, putting americans back to work, focusing on that makes a strong. in 1950 over half the jobs in the country were manufacturing and today is one out of ten and that is why this emphasis on promoting economic renaissance by investing in green energy is going to help the rebirth for ohio i believe. today since we have made the stimulus investments we have seen rolls royce in international company moved to ohio to begin their fuel cell research from singapore to the united states and start in ohio.

this is the type of excess wicking game with the right investment. >> the president also talked about nuclear power. which kind of came out of the blue and nobody expected that one. what was your reaction? the ohio has a nuclear facility and we need to make sure we have all resources on the table to make us energy independent. we need to quit sending the billion dollars every day overseas. it hurts our national security. this will create jobs in america that you can't outsource. you can't outsourcing when turman that has a thousand parton 200 tons of steel. you can't outsource the wind farm or solar panel or solar array. these things americans will bring back-- >> the publishing of all earmarks. >> we already do it. i make no bones about making sure we have transparency and making sure that people understand what i am fighting for here in washington, to bring back those dollars to put people back to work. >> is that an important part of

your job? >> it is. the constitution the article i says congress decides how we spend our money. i'm not going to have my voting card to a bureaucrat to does now understand the challenges and needs to have in my district. so i run every two years. i will stand up and defend every investment i bring back to my district. >> congressman boccieri, thank you for joining us. at familiar face to c-span viewers is the lady in red, the congresswoman from houston, texas, representative sheila jackson-lee mac joins us on the x. i have got to start with this. what time did you get there today so you got a seat on the aisle? pieno, there is a great interest in the state of the union and really, it is about making sure that you were there doing your job and responding to your constituents who want to know if you are doing your job so they made it kind of easy for us today. i had several hearings and

meetings and i was able to interact and make sure i was there to hear the president of the united states in his for state of the union and it was an exciting speech. >> how often it you had the chance to talk to the president? >> we have had several meetings. we work together on issues dealing with health care reform. we work together on issues dealing with the whole question of immigration reform, looking at it as a possibility. we spent time on looking at a national security issues, so this speech to the nation however captured all of the work we are all interested in and captured the spirit of this president on leading us into this second term. >> the president's call for a freeze on some forms of spending and he called for more nuclear power plants. yourpo