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>> bob: we're back at georgia tech and of course the yellow jackets have always had a great history of point guards, but i'll tell you this, wake forest takes a back seat to no one when it comes to great point guards. and this is the latest one that's made his mark in professional basketball. he's of course jeff teague, who came out of indianapolis, tobacco road to play for the demon deacons and has a chance with the hawks on an off night to watch his team play here. jeff, thanks for coming by. great to see you. >> i'm glad to be able to come out and support my team. contact with the guys and you earlier today. mine. deacons.

ish has been playing well and i hope he continues his great success. >> larry: what kind of alterations did you have to make in your game from the college game up to the pro level? >> playing with more pace. you've got to be a lot -- you've got to do things a lot faster in the nba. you have a great player every night coming off the bench. you have to guard the best player. so when i get in i just try to do what i can do. thing, acc. great game. competition. come here to fatgeorgia tech and you go to cliepa. you've got to be ready. >> of course you're an elder statesman now. what did you tell the guys that you can tell these guys about enjoying this experience. >> it's a team. you're always going to be with these devise every day. they're like your best friends for the rest of your life so cherish every moment in college and have a great time. are down by

six. you didn't have any luck in this building either. >> no, but hopefully we can pull it out in the second half. >> jeff, thanks a lot. it was a joy to watch you play last year. i know you're trying to build up that persona to play in the nba. >> thank you, thank you, i appreciate it. >> bob: jeff teague, the form are wake forest demon deacon joining us here at halftime. we will continue with more of our coverage of acc college hoops. the man who replaced jeff at the point at wake forest, there's smith with that great drive in the first half. more coverage coming up right after this.

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>> bob: our first half summary, the deacs started six of seven, but cooled off to shoot 32% in that first half. georgia tech controlled the paint and wake forest finds themselves down by six points as we get set for the start of this second half. bob rathbun and larry conley with you. larry, the question before the house from the wake forest perspective is what can they do to turn this thing around? >> larry: the one thing they have got to be able to do is shoot the ball a lot better. they're only 32% in that first half and they were only one of seven from beyond the three-point line. they're not a three-point shooting team, but they have got to do a better job of getting the ball inside. i've got to credit georgia tech's defense. paul hewitt said to me yesterday, he said, look, i am very satisfied with our defense. it's our offense that's let us down in the games that we've lost. >> bob: one guy they have turned that defense on is smith. he didn't have a very good first half. >> larry: shumpert and bell did

a good job of keeping him away from the basket. he got in there but the shots were difficult. >> bob: one of five shooting for ish and three turnovers, which is a little atypical for the play he's been playing. >> larry: his assist to turnover ratio is about two to one. he doesn't turn the ball over very often. think he'll play a lot better in this second half. dino gaudio has to make some adjustments to get the ball a little more inside. aminu had a good first half. >> bob: as you check out the leaders, this wake forest averages 77 points a game and are sitting on 29 at half. can they afford to rev it up? >> larry: absolutely. they have got to airport up. go baseline to baseline. this is the way they like to play. georgia tech has really not utilized that press they have used all season and i think it's still because of smith out there. press him. they have got the lead and why would they change. >> bob: mcfarland the high

screen. ish comes around. nearly had it stolen by udofia. aminu on the drive. and georgia tech basketball. shumpert looks, goes cross court to bell. >> larry: bob, it was a relatively error-free first half. only five turnovers for wake forest and six for georgia tech. that was well played. >> bob: gani lawal fighting for position underneath picks up his second foul. not only a personal, but a turnover. down six. that pressure. now paul hewitt is going to use it in the second half and he almost got a steal from it.

>> bob: derrick favors getting a the shot clock at 28 as l.d. williams gets ready to put it in. >> larry: a change in strategy by paul hewitt to come out and court pressure. al-farouq. >> larry: you know, when you're guarding him, it's pick your poison. you go out and guard him, he'll go around you. he can put it on the deck, runs the floor so well. he makes a 15 to 18-foot shot >> bob: mcfarland in the back of his mind is thinking, boy, i hope i've got some help on the

three. challenged, blocked, pulled down by cfarland. deacons come three on two. nearly stolen. ish puts it up and in. how about that little floater. shot, how about the avoidance of the player control foul. >> bob: 35-33. >> larry: you can't keep a good ish down. >> bob: favors. d'andre bell got fouled. this one on l.d. williams, number three. >> larry: let's take a look at the point guard for wake forest.

ish smith right here. see how he spreads his legs? he just stops, comes straight down without going forward. that is great body control. >> bob: ish four points, two assists. d'andre bell will head to the free-throw line for the yellow jackets. left-hander from los angeles, averaging just under six a game. terrific on the ball defender. he hits them both. those are the first georgia tech points of the second half. >> larry: georgia tech is going to stay in this full-court pressure. >> bob: l.d. williams, loose ball, scrum is on and a foul on wake, and if it's on williams, that's four. >> larry: how about the work by shumpert that time. you know, i think twice in a row

this three-quarter court pressure caught wake forest a little flat-footed. they almost had a steal in the previous possession and this time they come up with a foul off of the steal. good double team, good trap, good work in there by shumpert. >> bob: but now the deacons lose 17:23 left. yadkinville, north carolina, forced to sit fouled on the follow. >> larry: you know, bob, we talk so much about rebounding in this game, which is very good for both these teams. gani lawal with a terrific offensive rebound right there, and he did it over the best

>> bob: it was. al-farouq's second. gani bids for his ninth point. he's three for three from the line tonight. he has turned it around big-time against the deacs. he had a huge game against wake in this building a year ago. 25 points and 10 rebounds. 40-33 jackets. >> larry: they need to be careful not to get trapped in that corner. look at that move. >> bob: couldn't get the roll. lawal rebounds. out to shumpert. open is udofia for three. here's the running game, deacs as ari stewart took it up. shumpert's second.

>> larry: that looked like the charge of the light brigade there. four wake forest players georgia tech's players. look at them, all right there at the middle of the court. ish smith gets it over to stewart to allow him to pick up he gets the free throw. >> bob: ari stewart making a homecoming tonight from wheeler high school in marietta, georgia. now the officials are going to get together. there's something that they want to look at. stewart a chance going to the

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we talked about gani lawal and al-farouq aminu at the top. >> larry: let's look at the two bigs. watch aminu nail the three-point shot, put it on the floor, take it to the rim. again, great diverse flame. gani lawal has been all over that rim tonight. three offensive rebounds so far

in the game, getting most of his stuff done on the inside. gani lawal having a really good game, and something they need from him consistently every night that they play. >> bob: of course aminu's brother, holiday, played here at georgia tech. families intertwined. >> larry: both of these clubs area. why not. a wealth of talent. jackets just one of stoeceven t start the second half. >> larry: i think favors got a piece of that one. >> bob: if so, that would be block number five for the freshman. but missed the shot. lawal, no. and it's going to be out of bounds, staying georgia tech

basketball. oliver that return. >> larry: watch derrick favors down inside. mcfarland trying to make a move down the lane and, huh-uh, we won't have anything like that in here. >> bob: how about the defensive work tonight by derrick favors. he has five of georgia tech's seven blocks. shumpert now slams it off mq count. >> larry: he has to be careful now. >> bob: i've seen guys bounce them off of another guy's head. now peacock. 15:20 remaining. a low possession game.

third. >> larry: it's an interesting matchup, aminu and peacock. aminu maybe an inch, maybe half an inch taller than peacock. peacock maybe a little deceptive. very, very quick with here. reach. turnover jackets. 40-35 as we approach the 15:00 mark. nine turns now for georgia tech, six for the deacs. >> larry: mcfarland with a screen up top to smith. aminu for three. >> bob: mcfarland can't wrestle it away from bell. a three. a beautiful crossover had smith on his heels. shumpert is playing very well

tonight. improved his shooting a little bit. he has been really struggling with his outside shot. for c.j. harris, ari stewart three, no. georgia tech looking to take a shumpert delivers. >> larry: shumpert pushing the floor. open. by himself. >> bob: here's mcfarland as the defender lawal went for the steal and didn't get it. >> larry: lawal and peacock ran into each other. it's tough enough trying to guard the other guy and not your own buddy. >> bob: 45-37. lawal in double figures with 11. >> larry: how about that pass by

peacock. >> bob: again a ten-point spread. nice pass and mcfarland hammered on his way to the hole. let's go back and take a look at the play. >> larry: iman shumpert with the basketball. smith falls back, he backs up, takes the three and nails it. watch him once again. nobody open, he just stops and pops right at the elbow. good catch here by lawal after peacock dropped it down to him inside. peacock is a very, very good passer for a guy who is 6'8". >> bob: mcfarland misses the first of two. there's four subs, two a side come in. clark and weaver in for the deacs. second free throw for mcfarland. a 60% foul shooter. missed them both, and peacock

claims the rebound. >> larry: it's been a problem for both these teams this year. they have missed a lot of free throws. they rank in the bottom third of the league. >> bob: oliver, catch and shoot three. boy, what a stroke. >> larry: bob, they have got it rolling right now. shumpert got covered up and he just dropped the ball off to oliver and the tech fans are up. >> bob: gaudio will take a time-out with 12:06 to play in the second half and georgia tech on a 10-2 spurt, leads it by 13.

>> georgia tech up 50-37. i want to show you what it looks like when the offense is working in unison. watch as peacock sets the screen and oliver pops out for the three-point shot. shumpert with an excellent pass right here to get him the basketball. watch how it works in unison. oliver comes around, he's got it there, shumpert makes the move into the lane and oliver is wide open. that's the way you work it.

shumpert doing a nice job in this second half, bob. >> bob: and since l.d. williams went to the bench with his fourth foul, georgia tech has outscored wake forest 13-4. 50-37 the score. and these are crucial minutes for the demon deacons. clark in the corner. opposite side. here is aminu, in and out. loose ball to weaver, and he was nice pass. led him to the goal, just turned and banked it in. >> larry: d'andre bell with nice

timing on that pass. you've got to put it in the right position for the guy to catch. >> bob: tech has scored on five possessions. mcfarland, rejected by oliver. running. d'andre. it looks likeñ% the lane. a time-out comes at 11:52 in the second half with georgia tech leading 52-37. check the pass, favors shows the hand, gets the perfect pass and puts it down. ] 7 halcalo man the ♪ [ ma lf torie f all hamm ] gonnt liutte f and like. ♪ f floa a bly. stke a nnat l buty

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>> bob: georgia tech leading wake forest 52-37. and let's take a look at our to

the all-time leading freshman scorer in conference history. my guess was kenny anderson. here of georgia tech fame. the freshmen tonight, you see what they have done, as bell lines up the free throw. >> larry: you know, that would require a lot of thinking. going back through the great freshmen players and scorers that they have had in this league. >> bob: georgia tech knocking down their free throws tonight as well. jackets now 10 of 15 at the stripe. far cry from the last two games when they were 50%. >> larry: half-court trap. >> bob: charge. four on aminu. and i mean nothing is going for

>> larry: i would think that they would get aminu out of there, but it kind of looks like a move. >> bob: oliver, bounced out, deacs get a turnover. okay, fans, we've given you a couple of minutes to think about it. since freshmen have become eligible, the all-time leading scorer. the answer is, and we do not know. kenny anderson! it. right! >> larry: very nice, very nice. >> bob: and mark price, number

two, how about that. the jackets one and two. how about that. are you proud of me? >> larry: i am. i am indeed. everybody sitting at home thinks we set this home. really. out answer. everybody else is standing around with their palms to the know. >> bob: udofia, now gary clark in transition. deacons trying to make a move here. ish smith who's been silent now nails a three. 54-40. one thing georgia tech does not want to do is start to relax against a wake forest team that is 14-4. they're not about to go away. zach peacock on the wing to udofia.

peacock, that's a two, and l.d. williams rebounds. oh, udofia puts it in! time-out georgia tech. how about mfon udofia. >> larry: i tell you, you talk about a great pilferer right here. >> bob: it's our geico acc play of the game tonight. >> larry: udofia just stuck around. williams said where did you come from? >> bob: what a play. and just when you thought wake forest was going to get a little spark, put a run together, udofia sticks in clean. terrific play by the freshman.

ish smith. we talked about a low possession it in. now the deacons really do have to speed this game up. >> larry: they have got the right personnel in there to do it right now. let ish smith control the basketball. >> bob: they have got to create turnovers, create havoc, get on the glass. and ish smith with a steal. deacons are running. we've on georgia tech. >> larry: boy, would smith like to have that one back again. right here. to drop the pass off -- >> bob: there's the push-off right there. i guess, larry, he saw oliver out of the corner of his eye and

changed that shot just at the last instant. >> larry: you know how important of not just the ability to deliver the pass, you've got to be able first. >> bob: l.d. misses the first of two. >> larry: you make the decision to the basket or make the pass. that time he decided to take the ball up. lead as l. dnchd., a 70% foul shooter this year, comes back for his ninth point. tech lead is 14. into the paint, puts it in.

isolation move on woods that time. he turned and looked him in the eye. look at this, good post position. receives the pass, turns, faces, makes the move across the lane it in with the left hand. larry, he travels on that play. >> larry: absolutely. improved. >> larry: and he's gotten woods, front of him there. when he turned and look, he had the baseline or he had it across the lane. he took the lane and it was a good decision. 59-43. smith hits the hardwood and the foul is coming up on georgia shumpert, number three. six team fouls on the jackets.

fires, misses, and the rebound to nothing but net. favors. >> larry: the old adage about when things are going well, they really go well. that's what's going for tech right now. >> bob: a miss and the rebound jackets with the turn. here's smith motoring, spinning and a foul. shumpert has got his fourth. georgia tech is sitting on an 18-point lead. >> larry: bob, they have done it in so many different base. they have done it with their rebounding and they have done it with passing. they have gotten the ball to the open man. even on their breaks when they flaring out. i was watching favors on that made field goal he had right

there. he had a couple of options, a wide-open jump shot or a couple of guys on the wing to pass to. tech has got it rolling right now. that's ten points. mcfarland and c.j. harris come in. udofia is back. shumpert sits with four feels. you heard our interview with jeff teague at halftime and talked about the great wake guards. he's right up there with him. dustin gray, chris paul, of course, teague. we go back to the mugsy bogs days. >> larry: chris paul is one of my favorite guards of all time. i just thought he was remarkable. >> bob: deflected and taken away. ish smith with a steal. deacons in transition.

have really taken over the wake forest end of the basket on rebounding. >> bob: we had talked before the game, larry, about all the bigs that wake forest has. there's another steal by ish smith but he stepped out of bounds. and all of the size wake forest can throw at you because they have so many tall guys coming off that bench. but favors and lawal have stepped up big-time. >> larry: off the top of my head i'm thinking about the teams in the acc that really have bigs. north carolina obviously does. florida state obviously does. wake does and georgia tech. i didn't think tech had played very well in the two florida state games that they had played with their frontcourt. tonight has been a different story against another good frontcourt in wake forest. >> bob: lawal and favors have 17 boards combined.

shot clock at ten. glen rice jr. off balance, hits it. >> larry: that was not the prettiest shot i've ever seen. >> bob: looked like he was falling out of a tree. >> larry: his legs were going in about eight different directions. >> bob: 63-44, ish smith, up and in off the glass. that move kind of reminded me of devon downy the other night. that was some move right there by ish. 63-46. bell, bank. >> larry: was that a pretty move? i mean that was all bell, by himself. >> bob: 11 points for d'andre, count the bucket. and a foul comes at 6:44. time-out in atlanta. georgia tech 65, wake forest 46. hould ing co ly su

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>> bob: if you're just joining us tonight, our game summary has georgia tech in front. the jackets have played outstanding basketball shooting 53% and limiting wake forest floor. here's smith wiggled free for a few baskets here in this last couple of minutes, but overall the georgia tech defense has been right up there ready to challenge and they played the deacons as well as anybody has played them all year. tony woodsh 65-48. lob, favors. >> larry: just the way you draw it up. put your big guy on the baseline, let him run to the rim

and throw it up there just above the rim. >> bob: nice pass by rice. and georgia tech leads it by 19. for three. >> larry: bob, i've just got to believe he is going to be a terrific player. >> bob: here's smith down on the it, and the loose ball to wake forest. the bounce to l.d. williams for it's our wendy's fast break play once again watch georgia tech maneuvering with the basketball by rice and the finish down inside. make sure you've got the right ou finish

l.d. williams, nice pass and the tony woods. >> larry: a little breakdown on tech's defense that time. they let them get inside. you've got to watch out for smith, quick with those hands. >> bob: it looks like the smith brothers, like there's two of 67-53. and that pass beyond the reach of favors. 5:41 remaining. the deacons haven't given up in this game by any means, but, to get something good going. threes fall off. they need something to sustain this sort of enthusiasm here as they try to get back in. going to be three free throws coming for c.j. harris. >> larry: that's just what wake forest wants, to be able to score points without any time going off of that clock. >> bob: fourth on udofia. >> larry: the clock is not in favor of wake forest right now and they have got to be able to

score some points. they have got to score them in a hurry. playing going to be tough for them to do it. that's a good ball fake right there. nice job by harris to get him up in the air. >> bob: the deacs send their best free-throw shooter to the 85%. 90% in acc games. two more coming. he has kind of a flat free throw, doesn't he? 85%. he gets all three. that cuts it to 11. mcfarland back in. keep in mind the deacs have aminu with four fouls and l.d. williams with four fouls, both in the game. aminu on the pass in. now it's shumpert.

midfloor to bell. why not? three tonight. the jackets. shumpert, blocked from behind by on three. it's a three-pointer that pops good. >> larry: he should get one as that ball went into the net. >> bob: and a whistle. harris trying to fight through the screen, picks up his third. >> larry: how about the work by brian oliver right here in the corner. six threes in tallahassee this

week and he's come back and had against wake forest. he is our sixth man on the game on motel 6 sixth man. as you mentioned in tallahassee, he was six of 13 against the seminoles. outside the arc. >> larry: you know, earlier in the year i had a conversation with paul hewitt about this young man. when you recruited him, what did you think you were getting? he said i knew what i was getting. i was getting a shooter. i needed a guy to come in and really shoot the perimeter shot. we didn't have anybody that could do that. you know what, he's got him and he is certainly in character right now. >> bob: mo miller comes in and oliver heads out.

72-56 georgia tech. if the jackets go on to close out the win, it will mark six consecutive wins over wake forest in this building. lawal the rebound.ó8 >> larry: jackets trying to run a little bit of clock right now. i think a wise decision on their part. >> bob: shumpert, taken away. now a loose ball. and tech gets it back. shot clock at three. two, from mid-floor, miller, no. >> larry: i've got to ask a question. did wake forest have possession? >> bob: that's what the officials are thinking.

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this is one of two games in the acc tonight. our acc standings so far, what a huge win this would be for the yellow jackets, as they would give wake a third loss and tighten things up in the middle of the pack. the other game is in charlottesville and they've got a nail biter going on as virginia now leads virginia tech 62-61. 1:30 to go in that one. >> larry: great instate rivalry. you used to live up there, you witnessed a lot of those. >> bob: oh, yes, i did. missing. christmas time, the old richmond times dispatch. here's mo miller.

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director of the nfl players association by day and a coach for his 10-year-old son allen and his baseball team in silver vince, maryland, by night. >> tag -- in silver springs, maryland, by night. >> tag him! >> reporter: the intensity and passion you see here is smith's day job as union smith named the successor to the late and edge legendary gene upshaw in march, the man everyone calls dean has not slowed down. >> i've been on the job six months. i've probably been on the road three and a half, four months solid. >> reporter: he was seen as an outsider to get the job with former players as the front runners. his background as a trial lawyer was far from the experience of an nfl player. >> i definitely think that's a positive that he was an outsider, you know, guy coming in, he doesn't have all the connections or, you know, any preconceived notions of what was happening before and, you know, can he come in and kind of look at things clearly.

>> i'm very confident. i'm confident, that you know, he can get things done, whatever that may be. he's presented himself in such a way and i think he's broken it down to the players in such a way that we can understand it. >> reporter: as much as he's an outsider d. is a d.c. insider having grown up a stone's throw from fedex field. >> you come out of the room in d.c. and get smacked and then you're injected with burgundy and gold. >> reporter: on his resume counsel to then deputy attorney general eric holder and he also served on president obama's transition team. >> business worldwide in some way, shape or form always touches washington. it's one heck of a sports town. so yeah, those are things that are inextricably tied to who i am. does it affect what i do? probably. but hopefully affects it for the better. >> reporter: with the possible lockout on the horizon demorris smith has made it a priority to visit each team to help them understand the process. >> this was in one of the file

drawers in our office and it slowly but surely i'm going through every drawer, every cabinet. >> reporter: why? >> a great deal of our history on what we have done internally to be a stronger union is there. the one thing i'm blessed about is gene was an incredible note taker. here on the back he'd clearly written out in longhand a speech that i don't know whether he gave or was going to give, but the most interesting part at the bottom is you see it in quotes, the nfl has always been willing to take a short loss for a long term gain. >> reporter: in the midst of negotiations or perhaps because of them d. and the union have made national headlines on a regular basis. >> as executive director, my no. 1 priority is to protect those who play and have played this game. to me it is probably a little bit of a combination of half negotiation, half trial lawyer. i mean both of those things are things that are in my dna for

some way, shape or form. i think about my grandfather in the pulpit. there's probably a little bit of that, too. as a result, i'm really not afraid of my question. i want guys to be actively involved. truth be told, i probably lean on them in a very hard way, but this is their union. it's not my union. it's their union. >> reporter: always in the line of fire demorris smith is used to the heat. >> i thought that was a -- 17-year-old ben benji wilson was a rising star, a young basketball phenom with a definite nba future. in fact, in 1984 wilson was the no. 1 ranked high school basketball player in the nation. he'd been described as a magic johnson with a jump shot and kevin garnett with a better handle of the ball and a better perimeter game. luke stuckmeyer of comcast sportsnet chicago shows us

wilson's wizardry on the court. >> reporter: chicago may be a football town and baseball crazy in summertime, but at its core in the city basketball is a way of life. we're not just talking about the m.j. glory days. we're talking about the kids who built their games here like isiah thomas on the west side and more recently dwayne wade and derrick rose on the south side, but 25 years ago somebody else owned these courts in chicago, a skinny silky kid with a smile named benji. >> and center for the wolverines a junior, 6' 7, no. 25 ben wilson. >> if you haven't seen him, you're in for a treat, 20 a game. >> i would go and i want to be successful and i do what it takes to be successful and that is when i go home i study and do my work and go to class. >> kind of corny stuff. >> well, it works.

>> reporter: everything seemed to work for benjamin wilson, but especially basketball. >> wilson two. >> reporter: born and raised on the city's south side, he was the middle of five brothers and it wasn't long before that orange rock was the fiber of his life. >> looked like bruce lee with two basketballs. he approached the basketball hoops. just unbelievable what he could do with that ball three fingers pawning the ball like this. >> reporter: and with ben and his ball around the wilson's neighbors were always up early. >> the neighbors used to be furious about being woke up in the morning because he was always dribbling the basketball and one of the next-door neighbors mr. robertson said benji was the alarm clock to get him up and go to work in the morning. >> reporter: by 16 wilson could still play like a point guard but now he soared like an eagle

with his new 7' 3 wingspan. >> bankston drops it down to wilson for a turnaround. >> we used to imitate ben when he shoots his jump shot. it was like he'll shoot it and then put his wrist back like this and run down the court but everybody used to emulate him in high school. that's how big he was in high school. >> reporter: and everybody wanted to be around him. benji's game and personality drew in friends and admirers from all over including the nba. >> ben wilson steps in, scores. >> 6' 8, 8 1/2, can do it all. i mean when i say do it all and do it gracefully. i mean with the greatest of ease. i mean and it looks so pretty when he was doing it. i mean it was smooth. it was silky.

it was just you had to -- he had that camera that captured that moment. i mean he was that type of player. >> wilson slide down the lane. >> reporter: as a junior he was a starter on a lineup full of seniors. benji was third team all state and the wolverines went 30-1 for the 2a state title. that put simeon on the map. >> i think he helped push simeon into a more global nationwide type school, basketball power. i remember our senior year, you know, we thought we were world beaters, we could go anywhere and play anybody any time. >> reporter: after winning the state championship in the spring of 1984 ben kept improving stunning scouts at the nike all american camp. he left as the first kid from illinois to ever be ranked as a

no. 1 player in the entire country. >> he was clearly, clearly benjamin wilson was the no. 1 player in the country. no one came close. >> reporter: ahead how benji wilson's life changed in less than a second. >> ben's thumb was rising and then at midday. >> reporter: a horrific crime on these streets in chicago is on these streets in chicago is remembered 25 years later. on these streets in chicago is remembered 25 years later. the images from haiti are heart-breaking-- homes, hospitals, and schools destroyed; families searching for loved ones; parents trying to feed their children. but we can all do something. we can help the american red cross as it delivers the food, water, and medicine that can save lives. donate $10 by texting "haiti" to 9-0-9-9-9. visit redcross.org or call 1-800-red-cross.

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take a look at san francisco 49er eric heitmann and you'd never know that off the field he's a pianoman. here's comcast sportsnet's bay area's brody brazil to show us. >> reporter: this is the side of eric heitmann people know, an offensive lineman for the 49ers since 2002. and this is the side most would never expect, at 6' 3 315 pounds he's got the frame of a

football behemoth with the hands of a beethoven. >> my mom made me take lessons about 10, 11 years growing up as a kid. right around when i started playing football, football became more of a focus for me and piano you put on the back burner a little bit. it was always secondary for me, always a hobby but something that i always kept up. >> reporter: inside his home today heitmann employs both a piano and keyboard setup inner it connected with the apple program garage band. it is here where the stanford graduate composes his best work in the form of cinematic sound scapes. >> my style is more of a movie classical theme sounding stuff i guess i would characterize it. >> so dramatic it plays well essentially. it's dynamic. >> yeah. i'd like to think that. you guys can be the judge. >> reporter: while football is the profession and composition is the passion, it's the music that gives eric an escape from life when he needs it. >> i'll be home sunday night or

after a big game and maybe there's something you need to crank out on the piano to kind of relieve some emotions or something. i use it as an escape. it's a good way to kind of release frustration or whatever emotions you're feeling at the time. it's something i've done for so long, you know, i've played for so long i don't ever really want to let it go at this point. i enjoy playing and i'm going to keep doing it as long as i can. >> reporter: it's only natural to expect eric's musical endeavors will outlast his football career, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's planning for a future behind the keyboard. >> you never know. we'll see at some point maybe if there's something you can put out there. i'd love to get in a recording studio at some point, maybe not for profit, just something i could show my kids at some point. i'll continue to do this for as long as i can. >> reporter: brody brazil, comcast sportsnet. >> he's pretty good. his team's not doing bad either. that's going to do it for this

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putting people to work. i am excited. i am going to come back down here and write it. [applause] joanne guy, you all have a date. when that thing is all set up, we will come down here and check it out. and by the way this high-speed rail line is being funded by the recovery act. [applause] and come up one other thing we can start doing four jobs here in america that the mentioned last night. i talked about this all to the campaign. we put this proposal in our budget. we keep getting resistance but we are going to keep on pushing to end tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas and

give those tax cuts to people who give us jobs right here in the united states of america. it is the right thing to do. it is the right thing to do. it is the right thing to do. now, i have to say this. the steps that i just mentioned will help accelerate job growth in an economy that is already beginning to grow. but, the steps we take a loan won't make up for the 7 million jobs we lost over the last two years. keep in mind, when we were sworn into office, that december, we have lost 650,000 jobs. january, as we were being sworn in the lost 700,000 jobs.

february, 650,000 jobs so before lost.ld even put in place that is a deep hole that we are going to have to fill in the only way to do that is to lay a new foundation for long-term economic growth and finally address the struggles that middle-class families have been grappling with for years. florida, that is why joe and i asked for the chance to serve as your president and vice president. because-- [applause] look, look, we did not seek this office to push our problems of or take the easy road to the next election. eban to solve problems, problems that had been nagging at america for decades. we want to solve them for the next generation.

we band to get the tough stuff done. [applause] so, as i mentioned last night and make no apology for trying to fix stuff that is hard. [applause]be honest with you. i will be honest with you. joe and i are pretty smart politicians. we have been at this a while. the easiest way to keep your poll numbers high is to say nothing and to do nothing that offends anybody. [applause] that is true. no, no, no. you just wave and smile. [laughter] that is how you do it. the minute you actually start doing something, somebody is going to disagree with you. [applause]

but, that is what i promise. remember, some of you remember the campaign. i said i wasn't just going to tell you what he wanted to hear. i was going to tell you what you need to hear. [applause] so none of this is new. there is nothing that we have talked about since we entered the white house that we didn't talk about during the campaign, and so long as we have the privilege of serving you, we will not stop fighting for your future, no matter how many lumps we have got to take to get it done. [applause] i also just have to mention, i am going to mention, you know and love you in the media but i will mention this little aspect of our media. our friends with the pens and

pencils, last week and went to ohio, and i started saying what i'm saying now which is i'm going to fight for your future and they got all worked up. they got worked up last week. they said, is he trying to change his message? is he trying to get more populous? is this a strategy that he is pursuing to boost this, that india there? is this something new? i just have to do a little rewind here of how we ran our grassroots campaign. [applause] because i have got some news. i have got some news of my own here. i have been fighting for working folks my entire adult life. that is why i entered public service, to fight for folks in chicago. that is why i ran for the state senate. that is why i ran for the u.s. senate. that is why i ran for president,

to fight for people here in tampa and for people here in florida and fight for people across the united states of america. [applause] i seem to remember coming to tampa two weeks before the election. [cheers and applause] and you know what i said? this is a quote, people can check. i'm sure it was reported in the newspapers. i said, change never comes without a fight. [applause] that was true then, it is true now. change never comes without a fight florida so i won't stop fighting. i know you want either. we are not going to stop fighting to give our kids a world-class education, to make college more affordable, to make

sure by 2020 we have the highest rate of college attendance of any country in the world. [applause] so we have proposed that graduate should only pay 10% of their income to pay back their student loans, and-- [applause] [cheers and applause] and what i have said is we will forgive student loan debt after 20 years but after ten, if you choose a career in public service, if you decide you want

to be a teacher, if you decide you want to be a cop, if you are not, if you are not making huge amounts of money we don't want to discourage you from that, because the cost of college in by the way i have been there and michelle has been there. it took us ten full years to pay off michelle's student loans, a 15 to pay-off, so i have been there. and, our belief and i think your belief is in the united states of america, nobody should go broke because they chose to go to college. we want everybody to go to college and we don't want them to go broke. [applause] [applause]

we want, we won't stop fighting innovation and ignite a clean energy economy were america's workers are building solar panels and blend towers and cutting edge batteries for automobiles because the nation that leads the clean energy revolution will be the nation that leads the global economy. [applause] and as i said last night other countries aren't waiting. they want those jobs. china wants those jobs, germany once those jobs. they are going after them hard making the investments required. we are not going to stop fighting to give every american a fair shake. the first bill i sign into law was making sure that there was equal pay for equal work for women, bill lily ledbetter act.

[applause] because i think you should be paid the same for doing the same work. [applause] and by the way man you should have been standing up clapping for that, because most families today are depending on to paychecks, not one come to get by. [applause] we are not going to stop fighting to protect the american consumer. that is why i signed a credit card bill of rights into law to protect you from surprise charges and retroactive rate hikes and other unfair rules. that is why i'm fighting for a tuck consumer financial protection agency to protect you against things like hidden fees that can make an atm withdrawal costs 30 bucks. [applause]

you know i just want to be clear here for the benefit of my friends in the back. [laughter] we need a strong financial sector. without it businesses can't get capital to grow and create jobs. families can't finance a home loan core education so we want a healthy financial sector and there are folks all across the country working in banks who are doing a great service to their community, but we also need some rules of the road for wall street, said that reckless decisions made by a few don't take our economy over the side. [applause] that is common sense. there is nothing radical about that. in fact, the banks should want it, because it would create greater stability in the system. and, yes, we will not stop fighting for a health care

system that works for the american people, not just for the insurance industry. [applause] we won't stop. [applause] we want a system where you can't be denied care if you have a preexisting condition. you can't get thrown off your insurance righted the time when you get seriously ill. we want a system where small businesses can get insurance at a price they can afford. nobody pays more than small businesses, and individuals who were self-employed. because they have got no leverage. we want to change that by allowing them to be able to set up a pool. we want to make sure people who don't have coverage can find an affordable choice in a

competitive marketplace. we wanted system in which seniors don't have these huge gaps in their medicare prescription drug coverage. [applause] and where medicare itself is on a sounder financial footing. those are the things that we are fighting for. and i am not going to stop on them because it is the right thing to do and by the way, if you are serious about reducing our deficit and debt coming cannot accomplish it without reforming our health care system because that is what is gobbling up more federal dollars than anything else. i don't understand folks that say they don't want to see government spending under control and then are fighting controls at the congressional budget office says would cut a trillion dollars off our deficit over the next two decades. [applause] those aren't my numbers. now, we are never going to stop fighting to cut waste and abuse

in washington. we do have to reign in death of his-- deficits that been accumulating. families across the country are tightening their belts and making tough decisions. it is time for the federal government to do the same and that is why i propose specific steps last night to bring the deficit down. and i am grateful that the senate just passed as we were flying down here to florida a rule called pay-as-you-go or paygo. that was a big reason we had record surpluses in the 1990's instead of the record deficits that were handed to me when i ran in office. it is a very simple concept. it basically says you have to pay as you go. [laughter] it is sort of how you live. at least after you cut up those credit cards. do you want to start a new program? dardenne the program but you have to end the old one that

pays for it. if you want to cut taxes, great, cut taxes but you have to figure out how to fill the revenue that results when you lose that tax revenue, so the idea is just honest accounting. that is what is needed. let me say one more word about health care. i am nodding on this bone a little bit. i know that the longer the process worked through on a complicated issue like this, the uglier it looked. you know, and it doesn't help when you have got the insurance industry spending several hundred million dollars in advertising against it, but after a while people did not know what to think, and we started asking ourselves, what is in it for me? and as i said last night i take my share of the blame for not explaining our approach more clearly but this is not going to

go way. the tough stories i read in letters are night are not stopping. i am not going to walk away from these efforts and i won't walk away from you. and i don't think congress should walk away either. we are going to keep working to get this done and i hope we can get some republicans to join democrats in understanding the urgency of the problem. [applause] on every one of these issues, my door remains open to good ideas from both parties. i want the republicans off the sidelines. i want them working with us, to solve problems facing working families. and not to score points. i want partnership.

what we can't do though, here is what i'm not open to. i don't want gridlock on issue after issue after issue when there are so many urgent problems to solve. [applause] and i don't want an attitude, if obama loses then we win. i mean, that can't be a platform. [applause] you know, even, even if you disagree with me on some specific issues, all of us should be working for each other. all of us should be rooting for america moving forward and solving problems. [applause] so that, you know, you lose i win mentality, that mindset may be good for short-term politics but it is not a mindset that is equal to these times. it is not worthy of you.

what you deserve is for all of us democrats and republicans to work through our differences, overcomer politics, to what is hard, to what is necessary to advance the american dream and keep it alive for our time and for all time. we have come through a tough year and a tough decade by the new year is here and a new decade is stretching before us. opportunities are there for the taking. every business owner working on innovation of tomorrow, every student reaching for a better future, everyone ready to roll up their sleeves and play their part in rebuilding america. yes we can. we don't back down. we don't quit a we are americans and today here with all of you i have never been more hopeful about our future than i am right now. i am confident that we can make this happen in move this country forward. thank you very much, tampa. i love you guys.

[cheers and applause] thank you. thank you. thank you. alright, i have got-- everybody relaxed again. i have got time for a few questions. i am going to take off my jacket here, just because-- [applause] joe, do you want to hold my cut? >> you answer the tough questions and i will hold the coat. >> i know there may be some tough questions so-- here are the only rules to this. i am going to try to get in five or six questions. so i'm not going to be able to get to everybody. i apologize in advance. to make sure this year we are going to go girl, boy, girl,

boy. so i'm going to call on the young lady first and then i'm going to call on the gentleman and we are just want to keep on going down the line. everybody is pointing at the young woman in the red here so we will start with you. endic udall mine introduce yourself. wait for the microphone. the mic will be coming up. alright. >> hello mr. president. i am a student at the university of south florida. [cheers and applause] >> we can all get along here. tampa, behavior cells. >> first of all i would like to say that i did the work on your campaign and i think it's great what you did for the community because to involve us as they used to-- my question is, last

night in your state of the union address respoke of american support for human rights. then, why have we not condemned israel and each its human-rights violations against the occupied palestinian people and yet we continue to support financial with billions of dollars coming from our tax dollars. >> everybody has got to be courteous. everybody is asking the question. let me just talk about the middle east generally. look,-- alright everybody, hold on one second. i have to answer my question first. to you have some beads on? are those new orleans beats? okay. look look. the middle east is obviously an issue that has plagued the

region for centuries. and it is an issue that elicits a lot of passions, as you heard. here is my view. is real is one of our strongest allies. [applause] let me just, let me play this out. is a vibrant democracy. at chairs links with us in all sorts of ways. it is critical for us and i will never waiver from insuring israel's security and helping them secure themselves in what is a very hostile region. [applause] so, i make no apologies for that. what is also true is that the plight of the palestinians is

something that we have to pay attention to, because it is not good for our security and it is not good for israel's security if you have got millions of individuals who feel hopeless, who don't have an opportunity to get an education or get a job or what have you. now, the history there is long and i don't have time to go through the grievances of both sides of the issue. what i have said and what we did from the beginning when i came into office is to say we are seeking a two-state solution in which israel and the palestinians can live side-by-side in peace and security. in order to do that, both sides are going to have to make compromises. [applause]

as a first step, the palestinians have to unequivocally renounce violence and recognize israel, and israel, and israel has to of knowledge legitimate grievances and interests of the palestinians. we know what a solution could look like in the region but here is the problem we are confronting right now. it is that both in israel and within the palestinian territories, the politics are difficult. they are divided. the israeli government came in based on the support of a lot of folks who don't want to make a lot of concessions. i think prime minister netanyahu was making efforts to try to move a little bit further than his coalition wants him to go. on the other hand president

abbas of the palestinian authority a white thing genuinely wants peace has to deal with hamas, an organization that does not recognize israel and has not disallowed violence, and so we are working to try to strengthen the ability of both parties to sit down across the table and to begin serious negotiations and i think it is important when we are talking about this issue to make sure that we don't just use language that is inflammatory or in some fashion discourages negotiation. both the palestinian people and israelis have legitimate aspirations and they can be best served at the united states is helping them understand each other as opposed to demonizing each other. alright? okay. it is a gentleman's turn. it is a gentleman's turn.

this gentleman here. i'm going to go on the other side of the room. the gentleman with the yellow tie. >> bill segall, orange county commissioner. welcome mr. president. what is the decision matrix going to look like for high-speed rail and power be going to decide who gets what and when is the announcement going to be made? >> well, i probably should have mr. biden talk about this because he has been working diligently overseeing the recovery act. let me make it general pointed out high-speed rail as well as the way the infrastructure is being moved through the recovery and. the general point, number one, is that making an investment in infrastructure is a 24. because, it creates jobs immediately, and it lays the

foundation for a vibrant economy in the future so it is one of our best investments. but it is expensive. we have got a couple of trillion dollars worth of infrastructure repairs just on our own infrastructure, our roads and bridges. people remember what happened to the bridge up in minneapolis that just buckled and collapsed. unfortunately, we have got a lot of aging infrastructure. some of that is not as visible as bridges. summer water system, pipes underground that essentially were built back in the 1930's. in some cases, even older than that. so we are going to have to make a commitment to our long-term infrastructure in one of the things we are hoping to do is as we make more investments in infrastructure under my administration, that we start figuring outweighs that we can

take some of the politics out of infrastructure and but then mean by that is right now a lot of decisions are made about projects based on who has got the most powerful congressman or senator. and what we are hoping to do is at least some of the decision-making base to little bit more on what are the engineering plans that determinedness is the best project to go forward. and one way of doing that is to create what is called an infrastructure bank, where at least a certain amount of the infrastructure money particularly for new projects, would be guided by some clear criteria, a lot of transparency, engineers and urban planners and city planners involved in the process so that we can also get some regional planning because part of what happens when politics is involved in transportation is that, he know, the commissioner over here may

not have the same idea as the mayor over here, may not have the same idea as the senator over there except they all represent a similar region and so you get a whole bunch of trafficks systems that don't work. and are not efficient and don't serve commuters very well at all. so, that is the kind of general direction that we like to move to. the second point that would make is that if we are going to be making investments in infrastructure anyway, we can't just look backwards. we have got to look forward. how many people here have been on one of these high-speed trains? when you were traveling outside the country unfortunately, for the most part? those things are fast. they are smooth. you don't have to take off your shoes. [laughter] ..

we have to increase production of natural gas because we're not going to be able to get our clean energy up and running quickly enough to meet all of our economic growth needs. but even if we are increasing production, we've got to get started now decreasing our youth in making our economy more

efficient. and so, that's why we need to invest in infrastructure all like high-speed rail that will allow us to choose the option of taking the train. and if more and more facilities like that are available, that's going to be as good as i said for the economy of the region and it's going to be good for the individual lifestyles because people aren't going to be stuck in traffic for two hours. it will increase product committee. people will get to work on time a lot faster. they will be less aggravated, right next now, in terms of the high-speed rail, do you have something specific to say? >> i make it real simple. take the highway system in the 50's. take the portions of where you could begin to build, where there was the most likely to have the heaviest traffic, so that people would use it the most and they just built that

out. what we did is we pick, the department of transportation picked the tampa orlando because you are most ready, your plans with the most advanced -- [applause] and the objective is it's not going to be here, fellas can come all the way heading down to miami as well. that's why we picked california. california, mr. president. they're so very million dollar investment because there plans that are ready to go. and i might add there both republican governors, so we didn't take the space on politics. i mean this sincerely. so we're picking the places that have the highest density and are ready to go and there's been $55 billion worth of requests coming from the states. the good news about that, mr. president, as were also fighting with some of the money planning efforts because some of the planned uncompleted enough. a lasting, mr. president, we are making a big difference with a portion of this money over a

billion dollars of the 8 billion untaken bravos, for example from richmond to washington by giving that up to 110 miles an hour you take a whole lot of cars off the highway becomes economically reasonable to do it. so are taking carter's that in fact exist where we can increase the mileage enough that i can make a difference on congestion and off when i went in. i-95 and you want no i-95 on the other side of the state. going up all the way the marway and the congestion areas cost $22 million per lane to build per mile. you can build it as railroad for less than $2 million. so it makes sense, it's where works and we're going to have to build it out. [cheers and applause] let me just say -- by me just say by the way, give a

compliment to vice president biden. he and his team of overseeing the recovery act. you have not seen scandal breakout on a huge endeavor. you know, people complain a lot about how government works and waste money at that are. the truth is that if you look at how the recovery dollars have been spent, they have been spent the way they were promised and there's complete transparency of the u.s. can go on the white house website and look at every single project that has been awarded a recovery act grant, every single one and scrutinize. you know the contractors are. you know who's doing the work, you know when it's supposed to be finished. so you can check out all this stuff and you will be able to monitor how the high-speed rail project here is operating just by going to our website.

all rights, it's a landlady ladies turn. [applause] is a woman's turn. so -- all right, how about she is jumping up and down right here. you can't blow your whistle, no. >> president obama, my name is rashonda williams and i'm from kissimmee, florida. i don't know if they give you the poem i wrote you. she sang to the senator or orlando and i wrote a poem for you and i framed it up and put it on a nice background. but my question is and i told her to give it to you. >> i'll be looking for it. >> my question is, my brothers are in and out of no with drugs

and a lot of them can't get jobs coming out. so the only thing is to go back to what they're used to. my brother is 27, he has 33 felonies, drug felonies mind you. so what i'm saying is, is there anything to be put into motion that can give these guys coming from prison a system where they can get hired and get their self-esteem built back up so they don't have to go back out on the street and sell drugs? because if they don't hire them, all they're going to do is continue to sell drugs. so we need some kind of company that can teach these gentlemen coming out some kind of trade drugs.uld keep them from going >> okay, well first of all, i look forward to reading your poem. look, we've got a great

challenge and particularly our inner-city communities. but actually, if you go to rural communities in the midwest right now, they may be assigned different drugs but you're seeing some of the same patterns. joe and i were campaigning in iowa and you go into small towns where you wouldn't think there'd ever be a problem with the drug trade and the methamphetamine trade was identical to the crack trade in the big cities. same patterns of young people getting drawn in. so a couple things have to happen to deal with this problem. number one, the single most important thing we can do is to make sure that our very young children are getting a healthy start in life and that their parents or parent or caregiver

how the support that's necessary so that they can stay on a straight path of success in school. because if young people, if their minds or act given they are doing well in school, they are less likely to fall prey to either using drugs or deciding to deal drugs. [applause] cannot fly and mentioned yesterday -- i mentioned yesterday the single best antipoverty program or brown is a world-class education. and that's why we're going to invest in early childhood education. that's why we're reforming and pushing states and communities to reform our education works. and by the way, we got into trouble sometimes not just from conservatives, but sometimes from liberals because were trying to shake up low performing schools. people say why don't you give them more money? and my attitude is, you know

what, we can give more money to the schools. that's important. smaller class sizes, better classrooms, all those things i care deeply about. that money will now make a dimes bit of difference if were not also reforming how kids are learning, making sure that our teachers know the subject matter and that they know the best ways to teach, making sure that parents are staying on top of kids and instilling excellence in performance in those youths. so i want to make that first because frankly, it would be so much easier to work with your brother if he hadn't gone to jail in the first place to get a job. thirty-three felonies is a lot. that's a long rap sheet, which means -- i'm just being realistic. if i'm a business owner, i would say to myself, right now the unemployment rate is 21%, so there's a hole in the folks who have never been to jail who are looking for a job. it's hard for me to say i'll

choose the guy who went to jail, instead of the person who never went to jail and has been laid off. now, having said that, what is also true, what you say is exactly right that if we can't break the cycle hum of the novel are doing is just churning folks in a revolver door back to the streets, back to dealing drugs. and this is part of my faith, rather just a cover but you don't have to be religious to believe in the idea of redemption, that people can get a second chance, that people can change. [applause] so, one of the things that we've done is actually vice president biden, myself, some republicans, sam brownback, for example of campus have worked together to promote what we call the second chance act, which links

ex-offenders with programs that can provide them with skills, that can provide them with opportunities to get some work experience and then can essentially certify that they are ready for the workplace and then try to encourage private sector companies to hire some of these ex-offenders. the program is not as well-funded as i would like. we'd like to see if we could do more with it. it has to be done in a partnership with state and local communities, but i do think it is something that ends up being actually wise for taxpayers because every prisoner is costing us about 16,000, 18,000, $20,000, and everyone of us are paying for it. so if we can find programs that work, breaking that cycle ultimately that can be a good

investment for taxpayers all across the country. [applause] all right. if a man's turn. i'm going to call on not a guy right there with the little hair. [laughter] since the microphone is right next to him. >> thank you. my name is steve gordon and i am from clearwater. i am a small company, environmental company. i any fracture the instant off water saving device that fits on any fossa worldwide. i'm frustrated because i can create 500 jobs. i've gone to the banks. i can't get a loan and i see for all businesses in the united states. we are tired of dealing with banks. and this is my question for you, is that i know you care. i know you're trying. and i appreciate that you put $30 billion to small businesses, but landing to the banks do unto

us is not the answer. it's just not. what i suggest and the question is, why can't you use the sba, just like you went directly to wall street, you led directly to the automakers, you went directly to the bank. why can't they make small businesses available directly to us? >> that's a good question. look, first of all, you should be aware that we have increased the sba loans during the course of this year by 70% in some cases. so some of the key programs for businesses like yours, we have massively increased their landing. and by the way, we waved some of the fees and red tape that are

associated with you getting a loan from the sba. now it's not enough. i know you're shaking your head here. i understand it's not good enough to do still want loan. but you need to understand -- i just want you to know it's not like we haven't thought of why don't we use the sba? we have. the challenge that we've got is that even sba loans are generally run not by the sba. the sba essentially works with local banks, community banks, neighborhood banks to process a loan and essentially the sba underripe alone. and so the sba does not have the infrastructure to go all across the country, in every region and process flows to small businesses directly because they don't have enough people.

somebody yelled, why not? the sba does another step to do it. keep in mind, a small-business loan of any sort or a large business loan of any sort requires some sense of what is the business plan, you know, what are your projected earnings et cetera et cetera. and somebody has got to do that. now with the sba were to take over that entire function, we have to stand up a massive bureaucracy, a huge one. and we got to train others people and it would take too long and you be frustrated, why is it that this big government agency can't seem to run anything? to what we've decided to do and that is to take $30 billion that was repaid by the banks and make that available under criteria

that will encourage small banks to give those funds to you. and if we do that effectively, we can potentially get that money out the door more quickly. but i am absolutely sympathetic to what you're saying because i'm hearing it everywhere i go. and that's why mention it last night in a speech. you've got a lot a small-business owners who are ready to grow, ready to hire, but they just can't get financing. so we're going to use the sba as one tool, this $30 billion is going to help. ultimately though, the vast majority of small businesses, their loans are going to come from the area. and we've got to get the private sector to think differently. what happened here was that everybody was making loans without thinking of the risk at all. they were just sending our money out the door.

that's how a lot of overdevelopment happened here in florida. it happened in nevada, it happened in california. because people were just saying, you know what, we are making money. that's going to ask a lot of questions. suddenly the bottom falls out and the pendulum has shifted too far in the other direction so even if you've got a big is this plan, you've got a good model intermec in profits on a good product. now banks are reluctant to lend at all. and what were trying to do is to encourage them to get that happy medium where they're not taking such exorbitant risk that they threaten the entire system, but they are also open to enough risk that america's dynamic, free enterprise system is actually able to work. one role -- [laughter] one aspect of this is also getting regulators who oversee the banks, which aren't under my

supervision. these are independent and regulators, getting them to at least take a closer look at these policies have a lot of bankers will tell you do want to loan you the money, but they're worried about -- they suffered all these losses because of some of the mortgage stuff going belly up. so what they'll tell you is i've got a bank regulator breathing down my neck making sure i keep my capital levels high enough and were going to have to make some adjustments there but that's not something the administration can do directly. we can encourage these independent regulators to take a closer look. i'm confident you're going to succeed, though. and you can give vb reggie love your business card so you can find out about your terrific business. at that time only -- i've only got time -- i've only got time for two more questions. this young lady right here. she's been standing here a very

long time. >> first, my 15-year-old son, zach cartwright, wanted me to tell you he is a big supporter of yours. >> tal zach very much. >> many families are having to withdraw money from their 401(k). once this occurs in addition to taxes there was a 10% penalty. some hotels are taking place due to hardship, families don't always have the money to pay the 10% and the penalties. the interest on a cruise until the day full payment is made. the irs recently made headlines after giving tax breaks to citigroup, several months ago people with offshore accounts were given amnesty. my question is, why is the irs coming up to the middle class, creating more stress for us in what is your plan to help resolve this? and if congress is unable to deal with the issue and directly

impacting the middle class, i'm happy to contribute my ideas. hot mac >> well, this is something that i actually personally experienced. just several years ago. michelle and i had some family emergencies when i was still working in a law firm. add a small retirement account set up and i ended up having to withdraw it and pay that 10% penalty and there was no fun. but it was so we had to do. i'm fortunate, we were done enough were wicked absurd that hit. a lot of families aren't in that position. if they've got a nest egg to suddenly -- it's bad enough having to drive down but then they have to pay taxes on top of it is really tough.

now the reason that policy is in place obviously is because you are getting that money tax-free, the idea being that you're going to actually use it for retirement. and then if you're spending it early, before retirement, then you could imagine that a lot of people could potentially gain the system by using these accounts to avoid taxes here it so i just want to show a little sympathy here for those who are trying to enforce the law. they're not mean-spirited. they are working with a system that was set up. i think you are raising a legitimate point though and if i'm not mistaken we actually started looking at this, joe, and our administration and to take a look at, under certain circumstances and the specific thing that we were thinking about was medical emergencies,

where people should not be penalized for it. and, you know, i think that issuing blanket amnesty is in all circumstances may not be possible, but taking a look a certain narrow categories of emergencies, in which these penalties could be waived as something that we have discussed and i think we could explore. [applause] okay. all right. i've got one more. okay, everybody's pointing out this gentleman. m going to call this guy right here. i think that's all his sisters who were all pointing at him. they're like: my brother. >> i'm hector and i'm a student

at ut. [cheers and applause] and my question is last night he talked about repealing don't ask don't tell. and what are you doing now to put in motion so that are treated as equal citizens of the united states, i.e. same-sex macnair just that heterosexual couples enjoy after marriage? >> well, look, as i said last night, my belief is that a basic principle in our constitution is that if you are obeying the law, if you are following the world, that you should be treated the same. [cheers and applause] regardless of who you are. i think that principle applies

to gay and lesbian couples. so at the federal level, one of the things that we're trying to do is to make sure that partnerships are recognized for purposes of benefits, so that hospital visitation, for example is something that is permitted that social security benefits or pension benefits or others, that same sex couples are recognized in all those circumstances. i think that we've got to -- we actually have an opportunity of passing a law that's been introduced in congress right now. and my hope is this year we can get it done, just for federal employees and federal workers. a lot of companies on their own, some of the best run companies have adopted the same practices. i think it's the right thing to

do and it makes sense for us to take a leadership role in ensuring that people are treated the same. look, if you are -- regardless of your personal opinion, the notion that somebody who's working really hard for 30 years can't take their death benefits and transfer them to the person they love the most in the world and u.s. supported them all their lives. that just doesn't seem fair. it doesn't seem right and i think it's the right thing to do. okay, look, guys, listen everybody, i've got to take off. but i warned you guys i couldn't answer every question. let me just say in closing, --

[cheers and applause] let me say this in closing, hold on a second, hold on, hold on a second. i want to say this. look, we've gone through a very difficult year, but i have great optimism that we have begun to dig ourselves out of this hole. in order for us to do it successfully, we are going to have to work together. we are going to have to listen to each other, we are going to have to be respectful of each other. so i want to and on mentioning something that i talked about last night. you know, our political dialogue in this country has always been noisy and messy because we come from different places, we've got

different ideas, different beliefs. i understand all that. but we're all americans. we all should anticipate that the other person, even if they disagree with us has the best of intentions. we don't have to call them names. we don't have to demonize them. and that's true whether you are a democrat or republican, whether you are conservative or liberal, or independent. being respectful and listening to other people's point of views and understanding that most of these issues are complicated. look, let me take the example of health care. part of the reason why it's so easy to scare people about health care, even if they don't like it the way it is now, is because you've got doctors, you've got nurses, you got hospitals, you've got insurance systems coming out medicaid, you got medicare come you got the va

system, all these systems constitute several trillion dollars, won six of our economy. even if you come up with a great plan that lowers premiums and creates greater competition and insures freedom for you to choose your doctor and is bringing down the deficit, all the things that i claimed and prevents insurance companies from abusing customers. even if we do all that, there's going to be somebody out there in a 2 trillion-dollar system who's unhappy with something. right, so they'll complain, well, i'm a medical device manufacturer and if you reform the system, that might force me to change how i sell my products. or there's going to be doctors as well, you know what, right now i get charged this way. and if you change how medicare

reimburses, then i might have to change my billing system and that's going to cost me a few thousand dollars and i don't like that. the reason i'm pointing this out is that we're going to do big things on energy or health care or infrastructure, then we're going to have some differences. we've got to work them through. nothing that human beings do will be perfect, but we shouldn't sort of assume that the other side is either heartless and doesn't care about six people or is some social communist who is trying to take over the health care system. or, you know, we start getting into these caricatures of each other that are so damaging. and frankly, you know, the political parties in the media haven't been helping. they've been making it worse. i want to dial some of that that. let's start thinking of each other as americans first,

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first we want to welcome cbo director here to the budget committee to report on the latest cbo estimates. and before we can not, i want to publicly thank director elmendorf for the really extraordinary efforts he and the people at cbo has made over the last year, with an unprecedented workload, and i mean truly unprecedented. i know firsthand that he and his people have worked nights, weekends, repeatedly, repeatedly how my repeatedly, under extraordinary time pressures and with real complexity. and i must say, even though there have been times that i've disagreed to wreck their elmendorf's views, sometimes strenuously, i absolutely respect his independence and his

integrity and making key is one the respect of people on both sides of the aisle who i've seen that he's tried to call them straight. and that's the best that we can ask for and it really is, i think, high professionalism from direct your elmendorf and from the people at cbo. and again, i've had my disagreements on some of their finding something that mattered a lot to me. but what is important is that we do have an independent scorekeeper that has integrity. and certainly, director elmendorf has proved that. and i appreciate it. let me just turn briefly to my remarks about the subject at hand. the job situation across the country is very much in the front of everyone's mind.

and if we look at the changes if 2008, we can see we reached a peak of job loss in january of 2009. virtually every month we have seen some improvements, and in november we lost, no net jobs lost. in december, 64,000. so a dramatic improvement from the 700,000 that were being lost in the month of january. the same pattern can be seen in terms of the economic growth in the economy. first quarter, a negative 6.4%, improving each quarter so fourth quarter, according to blue chips, we can anticipate growth in the fourth order of last year at a 4%.

some are now saying it may be even stronger than that. so things have moved from the edge of the precipice. i believe very strongly we were on the brink of a global financial collapse before actions undertaken by the congress, the president, and i would include the previous president because the actions of his administration at the end i think were part of the response from the government, both the administration, the congress and of course the federal reserve, taking actions to provide liquidity to prevent a collapse. those actions did forestall, i believe, what would have been the worst recession since the depression. but it leaves us with a long-term budget outlook that is truly daunting and we cannot flinch from that. we cannot deny it. we have to face up to it. the ten year budget outlook,

worst case scenao as this chart depicts, we see improvement for the next five years. but then it starts to turn and move the other way if we don't act. and act we must. the gross debt now is approaching world war ii levels and let me just indicate that i know the economists like to focus on debt held by the public. i like to focus on the gross debt because for budget purposes, all the debt has to be repaid and that can only be repaid out of current revenues. and so the fact is that we are looking at what is going to have to be dealt with from a budget standpoint. we have to consider gross debt. those borrowings from the trust funds are real. they must be repaid.

they are backed by the full faith and credit of the united states. and when i look at the gross federal debt i see it exceeding 100% by 2020 and in fact before that. the world war ii high was 121.7%. now to put this on perspective, other countries industrialized countries to have higher debt to gdp. japan, i believe, at this point is in the 189% of gdp range. but there are real consequences for that. i believe japan is about to have their debt downgraded because people see the risk of death of that magnitude. more liming and more concerning to me is the long-term yuri. if we look at the long-term budget outlook from cbo, we see debt with all policies extended,

all current policies extended, reaching 400% of gdp by 2059. there is no one that thinks that's a sustainable course. so anybody who tells us, you don't have to do anything, you don't have to worry about these things. we can just continue as we are, they're not telling us the truth. and this is not just my judgment or the judgment of center senator gregg. this has been the testimony before this committee of the side of the cbo, the previous head of the congressional budget office, of the head of of management and budget, of the former head of the government accountability office, the current secretary of the treasury, the previous secretary of the treasury. so it's critically important that we honestly describe or circumstance. our circumstance requires action on the debt.

mr. president, our colleagues let me quote from the cbo on the budget outlook. the fiscal outlook beyond this year is daunting. the cumulative deficits will push federal debt held by the public to significantly higher levels. with such a large increase in debt, less than expected increase in interest rates as the economic recovery strengthens, interest payments on the debt are poised to skyrocket. without changes to federal fiscal policy, involving some combination of lower spending and higher revenues, rising costs and health care for an aging population will rapidly drive the size of the federal debt. now, i don't know what could be more clear. i don't know what could be more clear. yesterday or perhaps the day before, i used a chart on the

floor that showed the historical context of our spending and revenue. that chart showed that current revenue is the lowest it has been in 60 years. we look at laster in this year. revenue as a share of the gross domestic product, the lowest it has been in 60 years. spending, the highest it has been in 60 years as a share of the gross domestic product. the difference between a revenue level of about 15% of gdp and an expenditure level of 26% of gdp, that's an 11% gap. we would not qualify for membership in the european union with deficits of that magnitude. they don't permit it. they don't permit entry for countries that have deficits of that level. yes, i think their limit is 3%. so look, this is the reality that we confront.

the president was right to focus on this last night and it's our responsibility to focus on it as we put together a budget for this year in the years young. with that, i call on the distinguished ranking member, senator gregg. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i second everything you said about the problems we have is the nation and that we are confronting relative especially to the debt as you have said the debt is the threat and its more than a threat now cause a cataclysmic event facing us which is going to basically give our children a nation that can afford in a lower standard of living that we have had in our generation. i want to put one charter because i think it is the most tellch years. this chart takes cbo numbers and projects them out. what the chairman was talking about is the line is through the meadow, the axis line, which shows the redline at its height and shows the blue line, the

redline been spending and the blue line at its nadir, which is the taxes line. and that's where we are today, this massive gap, which is generated in large part by the recession, but because of it being recession driven and tax revenues is recessionary driven. but it also shows in stock turns is that when we return to some level of normalcy, and to i guess herbert hoover's term, return to theirrdharding's historic levels, we still have a massive gap because spending is returning to its historic levels, which makes the obvious point that the problem is primarily a spending problem. even if you get your revenues back to where they are and on

average over the last 40 years, you don't solve our problem and we continue to pile on this debt and we get to a position regrettably in the very near future where our debt is so large that like a dog we can't catch our tale. in other words we will build to afford the interest payments on that death. the world community and our own nation will be suspicious of our capacity to pay our debt down, which will lead to an inevitable crisis of significant proportion relative to the value of the dollar and our ability to sell debt and the relative to the productivity of the nation, as we probably have to dramatically raise the cost of government and the productive side of the ledger. so, this is a problem of inordinate proportion and it is, in large degree, a spending issue. and that's we have to start addressing it on the spending side, obviously, there others who want to address it on the

revenue side, but i believe we have got to address the issue where it lies, and this chart unequivocally points out that it lies in the fact that we're taking the size of the government on its historic level of about 20% of gdp up to 25%, 26%, 27%, essentially to 30% of gdp. how do we address that? last night the president said we laid again that he wanted to freeze funds of discretionary. that's good language, but not a lot of money. it's a lot of money for us, individually. it would actually be a lot of money for the state of new hampshire. in the context of what we're facing a deficit, it's not a lot of money. the lot of money comes on the entitlement side and not on the discretionary side and that's where we've got to set our course and try to do something. unfortunately, i didn't hear anything about controlling the entitlement accounts.

in fact, on balance, if you take all the programmatic ideas are put on the table last night and there were a whole series that were put out, i haven't added them up yet but i am sure they far exceeded by a factor of i suspect four or five what was represented as would be saved under discretionary freeze, in nondefense discretionary freeze. so actually spending under the proposals from last night go up again. and we need to face up to this. it's like that old tv ad, a friend oil filter out, pay me now or pay me later. this is coming fast. this is no longer in over the horizon event in the horizon is closing fast or i'll be interested to hear from the direct or what he thinks the closing date is, when does the nation hit the wall. we know that japan is hitting you right now, that their debt

is about to be downgraded as it appears. and when are we going to get to that point? and is it not a predictable event right now that that will occur in our nation. and when that occurs, that's when you basically jump off the insolvency class and it's very hard to catch yourself as a falloff in insolvency cliff. so, i'll be interested in hearing what the director says. i also want to join with the chairman and thanking him for his extraordinary work and missed his extraordinary work over the last few months, incredibly intense. with the stories of the bill and the integrity and fairness of cbo really gave the whole exercise a lot more -- well, it made me feel comfortable that we release getting good numbers on a bad bill. and we were getting honest and fair numbers on a bad though. and that the cbo should do. it should be the fair umpire

around here did an extraordinary job of being a fair and prior. thank you for that. >> director elmendorf, before you begin i want to amplify something senator ringside. i have had people suggesting me that in a commission that we consider our long-term debt would make adjustments to shows those acuity and medicare. i think we have to let people in the eye and say yes, there is really no alternative. medicare is cash negative today. the trustees tell us it will be insolvent in eight years. social security is cash negative today. in your report the day before yesterday says that it will be cash negative every year except two for the future. you say in your report, it will

go cash negative on a permanent basis in 2016. so anybody that says you don't have to make any changes to those programs, programs i strongly support, i know i lost my parents when i was young. i got social security that helped me go to college. so i understand its importance in people's lives. i understand the importance of medicare in people's lives. i submitted my own family. at the suggestion we don't have to do anything is just not being straight with people. and so, i hope is this debate goes forward we just don't fall back into the same old divide have you can't cut this, you can't add any revenue here. i personally believe, given the nature of the baby boom generation is doubled the number of people who are eligible for these programs you'd have to do

something on the revenue side as well. so i again welcome you to the committee and again thank you for you and your team's extraordinary work during these last many months. >> thank you on mr. chairmanrds. exactly one year ago today i testified before this committee for the first time as the newly minted director at the cbo. and on behalf of all of us at cbo to a express our appreciation that the senator conrad and senator gregg had shown for a work of the past year that means a great deal to us. do you do when all the members of the committee, i preach the way to talk about the budget and economy. under current law, cbo projected budget deficit this year, fiscal year 2010 will be about