office who would thoroughly be comfortable with the dynamic vision because our politics is this very technocratic politics. people get elected by saying, you know, 'i will s -- i will make the future look like this.' and i actually quote in the book someone from capitol hill saying a year after the republicans came in office that what had gone wrong was that, "they're good conservatives, so they want to shrink the size of government, but they think of that as getting as close to the abyss as possible without falling off," and that's very contrary to the dynamic vision, which is -- you know, that thing you call the abyss, that's called life. that's called society. that's called the rest of us utside of washington. dynamist thoughts in any number of candidates and there are people around people.

i'm very hard on al gore in this book because i think he is a combination in many respects of notion but there are certainly people who have worked for al gore and have been around al gore who are very dynamist. i quote ad guy, a speechwriter, who writes about the free agent economy now. who is -- very much thoroughly in keeping with these. similarly, you know, on the republican side people have said to me, well, john casic would like these ideas and sometimes i hear him and i think yeah, he woman then other times i hear him and not so sure. or george w. bush wouldn't like these ideas or steve forbes would like these ideas. >> a couple quick personal questions. how long have you and your husband been married? >> 12 years. >> do you have children? >> no. >> are you ever going to get into politics in? >> no. by the way, how long have you and your husband and married? panay 12 years. >> are you going to ever get into politics?

>> no. i think we can safely say that. >> what is you think of this process of writing your first book? >> at the most difficult in the most fun thing. >> are you going to do another one? >> undoubtedly. i have several ideas. >> the book is called "the future and its enemies" i said to who is also the editor of reason magazine. thank you rematch. >> we know historically that margins often don't work but we forgot all about. this weekend nobel prize-winning economist joseph stiglitz on the

2008 economic a class and its effect in the global economy on afterwards on c-span 2's booktv. >> and jan >> mika played oprah on my book. i am played oprah despite the fact. for the young man come in the brilliant young vet said that look so thin in person? >> i think he's talking about me. >> thank you so much for coming. but mika, let's start by talking about your book. and begin by talking about the title of your book, "all things at once." >> well, i actually stole it. here come the microphones. i took it from my mother as i

was writing the book increasingly i realize the messages would not be mine, but they would be hers. does this work? can you hear me? not very well. maybe i need to turn it on. okay. how's that? >> there you go. >> terrific. and my mother actually assayed brilliant sculptor. she is working right now on three shows across the country. she works with huge wood sculptures, wood pieces, sometimes multiple, like a pound in weight. and she and i had the opportunity back when i worked at cbs to do a mother's day peace honor for cbs monday morning. and i got to turn the cameras on her and talk to her a little bit about what it was like to be a white house wife, a mother of three kids in a sculptor. and somewhere along the way in the interview i asked her, what are you first? are you a wife, are you a mother

or are you an artist? and she said well, that's very difficult to answer because in essence you are all things once. and i didn't really get what she was saying until later in my career, actually when i was writing this book. the guys there were many times in her life, especially when my father worked in the white house where art was taken away from her. that was just no room for it. but she never let it go. and as a result, she is literally working on this massive national show, with 12, 14 foot-high sculpture is called family high tree. she has held onto this part of identity through thick and thin and as a result it is still with her. she considers that people importuned. and there were times in my career that i held everything to close at the same time and i didn't pace myself like she did. and in writing this book, i finally realized her message. which is to hold on to what you have even when it is taken away from you and if you really hold

it close in your mind, don't expect anyone else do. you will go back to it. and i read a little bit about the times were and made the mistake to try and cram too much into shorter periods of time, due to much at once and on the times they actually let my career people little bit and as a result it was much better for the family overall. but the title is a quote from my mother during a story that we did together. >> your mother and her father are interesting people. to say the least. i love when your doctrines on the show. >> well, i don't. >> she always warned me not to have her father on the show. >> i did. >> i can deal with anybody. it was like fdr, uncle joe stalin, i can handle him. and so he came on and we had a debate in a turn and look inside, you are stunningly superficial.

>> yeah. that was love. >> mika crawled under the desk why her father and i debated. your mother also a very interesting character. she is an artist and brings with it the baggage of a lot of artists. she tells an interesting story about -- well, you told it last night. i remember you calling me at the time of this happening, yelling telling me my mother just looked at my book. my mother just -- i said that's good. no, they don't even know i'm writing a book. it's about them. well, i'm sure your mother's very proud of you. >> is dedicated to her. >> "all things at once" gets what she said. no, she's going through it and taxing things out of a life, lies, lies near the palace was my czechoslovakian accent. true story. >> true story. >> will there are so many stories about your mother and

family. you have got to tell the story about the night that your mother fed roadkill to pamela harriman. >> she did that. dead deer keep showing up in my book because maybe an image that some might have about my elitist background might be cracked just a tad. >> the right to fan those flames by saying she's got a summer house in the south of france. >> we were like the polish hillbillies came to washington when my dad got a job in the white house. they are hunters who grow their own food and don't waste a penny. and so there's always been a deer hanging from the tree in front of the house. at one point, my mother, she needed to get to it because they had shot it. but she didn't have time and it was winter so she put it in the bathtub in the bathroom off the kitchen and opened the window and close the doors would be like a little refrigerator.

and i was trying to establish myself at the cooper school in mclean and maybe even slightly adjusted, and maybe even slightly known by the cool people. and there was this one girl at school who i really wanted to be friends with. her name was sarah hite, had her over. and it happened to be the day that year was in the tub. and she needed to use the bathroom. and i said it's right over there. and i'm walking just thinking that something is wrong and then i hear this bloodcurdling scream, like the worst game i've ever heard in my life. she was gone and i never saw her again. but fast-forward to the roadkill. my mom would come and pick me up in her full guard, covered with sawdust, that's a normal day. sweat and sawdust in her hair, filthy, is she here? and that's actually her in her

essence. she showed up one day covered with blood. and i usually knew one of our pets had been its match and was going to be dinner or an other deer been its final days. but i did think it was weird was a carcass in the back of the car. but not that weird. we didn't even talk about it. turns out she had seen a deer get hit by a car right in front of her and thought my god, that's fresh. [laughter] you don't waste out. right? so she got out and sort of hacking it up to and took it home. and she now did not have to think about what to serve thursday night when several dignitaries were coming over, including pamela harriman. and she's such a -- what i love about my mother and what i am and all of my mother today is that she does not let the noise around her bother her. she does not let what people think bother her.

she has no idea why somebody would think that saving good meat would be wrong. it's practical. makes sense, doesn't it? anyhow, don't even -- so she serves this up is wonderful dinner and you hear people eating, zero this benefit is divine, it's fantastic. who was your caterer? and my mama said she was saying she got a great deal and choose is like, i got it off the side of the road. [laughter] and everyone was -- i mean, the room went still. pamela harriman spit it out and i think it ended up in the style section. but to this day, my mother has no idea why that was funny. [laughter] she just thought it was good meat that you don't waste. so there you go, roadkill. >> @. what do you think?

>> now, that's a good school. >> number one. by the way, sports illustrated next week, you know what it says? dynasty. now, if that matters the super gigantic sports illustrated jinx sports illustrated jinx him and they're going to be like -- there's going to be like 200 bama guys in a car crash next week in an intersection in the middle of tuscaloosa. [inaudible] are you really? >> she's from pensacola. my lord. >> university of alabama. he can be really proud of her mika. to learning disabilities and she still exceeds them being here. she looks good. >> you must be able to add one plus one. >> come on. that's ridiculous. >> so, let me let the rest of you in on this conversation,

instead of just this alabama bender. let's talk about one of my favorite subjects. misogyny in the tv networks. >> okay. >> my mother were in a always saw the workplace server ideas, how difficult it was for women working, professional women. but nothing prepared me, not congress, now working in several law firms for the misogyny that i saw at networks. we have a network executives here tonight? >> any management? >> anybody? anybody? okay, so it's anonymous. anyway, you talk about what happened on your 39th birthday, getting fired from cbs

news, a network that you absolutely loved. >> yes, still do. >> a network that you still love, and tell the c-span camera has the red light on it. a network that she still loves. talk about how difficult that was for you and how 39 for most women is the end of their television career and yet you refuse to go quietly into that dark night. why is that? >> well, a couple of things. there's a great parenting lesson out of that day. but to the topic that you brought up first on the misogyny, which again, this book is not i am a victim of misogyny. if anything, i look at what i could have done every step of the way to transcend those issues. or maybe what i could've done better. having said that, it is rampant in television. there are things that you have to put up with and compete with that are ridiculous. and i can't. and there are times it really

depresses me. and there are times when you, you know, realize you cannot have a shelf life, unless you can find a way to transcend it. and there are many, many, many countless cases of young women getting brought up too soon and getting killed with what i called kool-aid in their brains, where they're told they're the greatest thing since sliced red and propped up and put number one. and when they fall down, they can never make it back up because they been filled up with so much kool-aid they don't know how to regroup. i will say that when i was fired from cbs i was pretty shocked. and i was told that it was simply subjective. there was no understanding of july. new management had come in because of the dan rather situation and they had just gotten katie for during the week and i was the son anchor. >> i heard you were to vote that one of the top executives at cbs said he didn't understand your looks and thought you looked

quote, weird. >> right, right. but they didn't say i don't understand your looks, you look weird, you're fired. >> they never do. >> anja sandor lot of different reasons for how cutthroat as businesses. >> how difficult was that for you realizing that your career, which you had -- your mother told a story last night at an event how you started working when you were 14 years old. he would drive your bike to a studio at 4:00 in the morning. you through your heart and your soul and your life into this job. and then, on your 39th birthday, you are fired and there is a part of you that you don't talk about in this book that said, i wonder if this is because one of the top people at cbs said i look weird. how difficult was it for you? >> i added it in.

>> subjective assessment by some man at the top of, you know, the food chain there. how difficult was that for you and how did you go one? why didn't you just take a job in pr? >> well, animals did. favor as well as a woman in this business your journalist, reporter, storyteller current tower to bring to the table. you are of a commodity, piece of meat. and yes, you totally are. it is how you fit into the scheme of things when it comes to there, you know, their picture, their view of and there is a subject to view. and you've got to work on trying to transcend or bring a commodity forward. i did the best i could at cbs. there were times when things played in my favor that were unfair throughout my career. for my last name or whatever else i was brought up too early. a number of times i've been offered jobs when i wasn't ready. a number of turns for the same reason a lot of other women can

offer jobs to relay. and so getting fired hurt because there was an extent of my time is definitely appears to make you are actually offered 60 minutes a couple of years before and you've refused to take it. >> two years before and i just knew this was it. i ride in the book about a few times when i was put in over my head and fell flat on my face. so you learn to sort of judge yourself along the way and you've got to really be realistic about where you are and what your value with. and you didn't know what your value is, which is a self-knowledge that ultimately has really paid off for me. but for a while there i write about not knowing it. and why that really did not help in terms of having all things at once. and actually made all things quite that. back to the pr job and i'll wrap it up in terms of this part of the story. the search for a job after i got

hired was horrible. nobody would hire me. i had the worst job interviews on the face of the years. i may as well have been wearing a sign that said i was fired, i'm a loser, don't bother. because the first thing they asked me is what happened to cbs? why did you leave? and i had no answer which led them to think something terrible happened. and then there's the whole commodity saying, piece of meat thing. and you're either this shiny penny or stealing from another network or you're someone who was dumped and they don't want someone that the other network didn't want. it's just kind of mean. that's the bottom line. and i literally had the worst slew of interviews over the course of the year that a human being could possibly have. >> about was her confidence shaken? and i asked that question because this is a really timely book in that there were a lot of people out there -- i remember my father getting fired when he was 41 years old. he had a job since he was 15 and it took him a couple years to

find another job. a lot of people unemployed right now never thought they would be unemployed and have to get themselves out of bed, have to go and have to try and find a job. how did you get past that? >> well, i have to say the fact that i was a mother needed even more complicated because i really miss working. i dove into time with the children and their issues and effect mother-in-law, but i really miss working. and i felt a little guilty about how much i miss working. i was really anxious to do what i love to do. so there was the added sort of stress shouldn't i be happy? i've got two gorgeous daughters, a husband and he is a job. why isn't this enough? >> were you a good stay-at-home mom? >> no, i was terrible. >> how about for you? >> i had burns all over my arms and there was nobody more pleased when i finally started working again but my family.

they really, don't have to eat that stuff anymore. you know what, when i left cbs, the first thing i did when i found out i was leaving was i was really, really struggling in my mind with what had happened and that was really sad about it and i wanted to protect my children from that sadness. because i planted them in so perfectly to my life. if i was doing the news on a sunday night chances are curley was under the desk holding onto my heel or emilia. they knew everybody there, did their homework there, brought them and shoots with me. they were blended beautifully into my work world and i thought i'd really struck struck by really cool balance of being a working mom. what happened is when i got fired, so today. and that's a lot to put on a little kid. and i remember going home seeking another going to like this but let me think of what i can do here. so i started to spend, to spin the story and i'm like, girls,

i've got great news. mommy is going to spend more time with you. they were like, what facts and emilia was 11 and beautifully selfish was like, you can't do that. you can't leave cbs. that's the only reason the library but he likes me. you can do that. and carly was kind of quiet. i'm going to prove it to them. i'm going to be available. the next day the school called and they said carly needs you to come in. i thought okay, here's my chance. stay at home i'm available at all times. and so i drive-in, running down the hall and i'm ready to solve the problem and the teachers sitting with carly on the floor and i get down to talk to her. the teachers there crouch down, and my good lord, whom i going to take care of here. what happened? and the teacher goes, carly has told me that you're going to be leaving cbs.

and i said, i still didn't really get it -- yes, that's right, carly, that's good? more time together, right? and the teacher goes, that's actually the problem. [laughter] and i look at the teacher like -- because you always think you're unturned they are judging you anyway. and i look at carly and she looks up to beautiful blue eyes filled with tears and she said mommy, i don't want you to leave cbs because you love it so much. and that was the first time i really realized we had lost something. and i cried, of course, totally inappropriate. >> a teacher having to the one around your daughter and one around you in the hall on the floor. >> i really did. i was really upset because i realized i'd like to make children about a fundamental life lesson piercer from then on, gap, he told them this is bad. i'm really bummed out.

we went to other job interviews together in the ups and downs of my failure and my lack of success. and they are better for it. the children today want their parents to be happy. and i'm happy working. so this is our balance. >> and they are happy with you working. mika house in the book some christmas cards, her family she engines send out the funniest christmas cards every year and the year that she was out of work of the girls holding up signs and mika drinking vodka like this, holding up signs, please hire our mommy. [laughter] mika, and you though, you made the decision after one horrible interview after another and you talked about in this book. in fact, you originally -- what was the original title of this book going to be? >> sometimes you have to take a step back or something like that. >> but the lesson was that you

have to take a big step back to take a step forward. explain what that means and how that changed your life in such a wonderful way. >> please. no, you know, i couldn't get a job to save my life so i started looking in other industries and i got very close to a very high-paying pr job. we were about to negotiate an offer when i literally just blurted out, i know someone better for the job. and it was another friend of mine who had been fired from cbs was perfect for it. they called her in two days later. she called me and many may pick up truck which is about to break down. i can hear it making a south sound and i don't know how to pay for this. and she tells me she got the job. this job paid really well and i just remember being like charlie brown and lucy pulled the football and hitting the steering wheel with my head saying what was i thinking to

give up the opportunity to work. we were getting worried at that point. and i decided, you know, i've got to get back in television. i love television and i don't care if it's not 60 minutes. i don't care if it's not anchoring. let's just get back in. i need to work and i need to work close to the industry that i love very much and that i've given 25 years of my life too. so i called msnbc and i said, please tell me what you have. i need to work. and they said well we don't have anything you want. my god, he worked at 60 minutes. we have nothing you would want. i said i don't care about what you think i would want. what do you have? just only what you have. pull it up and human resources, job posting, what do you have? and they're like well, i mean, you wouldn't want this but there is a freelance day rate as needed job or you can comment and work either overnight or the

evening shift when 32nd news updates. but we'll just call you when we need you. you bake a couple hundred dollars a day and you won't be full-time. maybe over two or three days a week. and i said i'll take it. and i will tell you that nothing felt better than walking into a building and going with an id and having something to do. and there was nothing more liberating than being able to do a job with your hands tied behind your back because he done everything in an industry and this is just incredibly easy for you. everything at 60 minutes and cbs at that point had been so challenging and cutthroat and relentless. this was actually really fun. i was never more happy. >> you cut a lot of grief inside the industry. you talked about how your former friends and associates mocked and ridiculed you for taking a position and it was a pretty public -- >> fall from grace.

>> i decided to go in another field. but you took it as usual the difficult course. >> well, you know what, i am proud of that because i think a lot of women in this business they do get put up so high and when they do lose it all that kind of have a hard time regrouping. this was starting at the bottom all over again. and it taught me what i was made up and it showed my kids a little something, too. and so, i found it all to be for the positive really in terms of poorer family. [inaudible] >> "morning joe"? i'll let you tell that story. i will say this. to show that we do now that is all joe's creation is an added completely unexpected bonus in my life at an age where i thought i would totally be done with. and instead, i feel like everything i've ever done is exactly what i bring to the table to help the show be a

success. and i couldn't be more pleased to be sorted in the middle of the national conversation every morning. it is so much fun. and the thing that i and no surprise the product is that when i went to ducati that i went to figure out what it would do this business. i had done everything and it was all getting a little predictable to reduce package, you know how that goes coming out how to put the sound bite there. you think are a show if you don't at it format he do a morning show and you know you'll be talking about prosper spring. a mean, come on here it is all predictable. and when we started putting the show together, it relates for the first time ever i have now found something to do in this industry that involves what i'd like to do, which is tell stories and communicate and be in the middle of other political stories. ..

my wife always gave me hell for the title of that, scarborough country? is that all you can come up with? scarborough country, you don't hear olbermann world or maffei's

land. scarborough country? it is a little presumptuous. i said, i know. so anyway, that aside we did our best to do a good show and it for about four years was the great american scandal because i kept doing it in florida and i told them that. i will do your show but it has to be in pensacola. the studio was five minutes from my house. tank kogut we were in effect event defunded in 1995, and so i would go on my boat and added that 8:30 at night and would give of my boat and have my swimsuit on and i would dress in a coat and tie, wave my arms around and after 30 minutes they would say let's go to new york for news that you and your family want to know. we would pop up there and there would be mika and mika would get a 30-second used as. this is what she had been reduced to after 60 minutes and make it would tell the news for

30 seconds and at the end she would say, and now back to-- >> scarborough country. [laughter] tense so after she did this the first night i went on the both the next day and my buddy said, dude, that woman is making fun of you. [laughter] i said, what are you talking about? they said, she is making fun of you. wake up brother, wake up. so the next night i would say, now here is mika brzezinski with news you need to know and at the end she would say-- now back to-- >> scarborough country. >> i figured out she was making fun of me and after five months we never met and never talked to me and after five months after don imus decided he is going to comment on women's basketball, would you like to tryout the morning show?

they kept trying to push these women on me that were more girls than brains. i said no, this is going to be a different show about foreign policy. we are going to talk politics. we are going to doh for three hours and there will be no-till the prompting. this will be where america's lead is. i said with the bob woodward's are going to come and the white house officials. i need a grownup sitting next to me who can also give it back to me, and they said, that does not exist. so i go up to, i go up to msnbc and dicey meet the across the newsroom and i am like, okay. i am going to get even with her and i'm going to let her know i may be from the university of alabama but i'm not dumb. [laughter] well, not that dumb. so i go up to her and i say, hey

mika, joe scarborough, agree to meet you. she said very nice to meet you too. by the way i just want you to know i know you were making fun of my show. to which mika brzezinski response without missing a beat, how can i make fun of the show that i have never even seen? [laughter] >> it is a good question. >> it is a good question. and then i responded without skipping a beat, how would you like to do a morning show? and that is how it started. and all these people say, oh, how long did you guys work together? you have got this great chemistry. it was very simple. i recognized in hire somebody who frankly my dear just didn't give a. she had been through enough. she wasn't freaked out about how

she could get on "the today show" to talk about cooking or lunch for the spring. she knew who she was, and that is really at the center of this book. note women, who you are and don't put up with stuff. [laughter] so it really is a remarkable book. i will tell you before we open it up for questions, that we had-- how many of the watch the show in the morning? oh my god. so i don't even have to name any names. there are so many women who we love and respect and when people come on our show, whether it is katrina vanden heuvel or peggy noonan or gene robinson for the most conservative columnists, regardless of ideology, we really are like a family. we sit around and we talk and

laugh and this morning bob woodward was talking and he said wittes second, are we on? i said no, not yet because it is just a conversation and we have a great time. so many women took mika aside and said we love you, honey. we really do. don't released this book. it will finish your career. and mika politely asked why and they said it was too honest. and tomicah's credit, a great credit, she said the story needs to be told. so it is a book, i don't know how many of you have read the first couple of pages even but it pulls you in and it is not a happy memoir. my five steps on how to make your life easy, how to improve your backswing and how to get back in that high school dress. there's not a happy bow with the

end. it is really a great book. so, what that-- >> you can be oprah now. >> i am going to be over and let me just start by saying women, check under your chairs. [laughter] oprah may have stopped that but i happen. we are giving things away today. so let's open it up for questions. yes maam. we will go back to you first. can you believe she was that rid to me? >> bravo, bravo. by the way thank you for staying up past bedtime for as. how are you doing? how can you possibly prepare-- i mean you would have to read five books a night in order to really stay abreast of the conversation you create in the second and maybe more a joe question is how did you possibly tell the networks on the show that had conversation? >> such a good question.

have you guys read game change yet? that is what we are reading now. we are reading around-the-clock, blackberries are going off all the time. twitter, people send this articles which is constantly immersed. we are on the air for five hours though whether it is for the white house are members of congress or people sending us information happens on the air and real time so there is no preparation. the only thing that is preparation for me as hair and makeup and let me tell you it takes a village. i am 42 and i get up at 3:30 in the morning every day so that is the only thing that is really problematic for me. the second question was more for joe. actually joe you sold this to the network. they actually were busy with other things but you had to break down doors to make this happen. >> we did. they have other people. imus got in trouble when they tried that the people that didn't work because everybody

was playing imus or-- so i went in and actually gave them a one page sort of thanks posters saying this is what the show is going to be and we are going to start a national dialogue, and people are going to be sending in things from politicians office, between blackberries and e-mails and on line, and they have course kept me off as much as they could and then i think everybody else tried out and it didn't work. so they put us on, and five minutes after we were on. five minutes into that first morning, tom brokow walked into phil griffin's office and phil was the president of msnbc. he said, scarborough, who knew? and he walked out, shrugged his shoulders and we have the job.

>> do you know what is interesting? >> that have been literally and at the same time too, just to put this into context we were being told that, and everybody was being told that the news hole with shrinking. we have less time for news. it has to be more stories about paris hilton. test it be more stories about news you can use which is why we make fun of newsy can't use. less hard news and more fluff and we said, the no what? we are going to plant the flag at the top of the hill. shoed add this all you want. for the first six months they try to get us to do fluff and finally they just gave up because we just didn't listen. >> and it worked. there were many layers of dissention that we had to cut through. there was that and the fact that nobody really wanted us. in some ways they did not want to hire pete and joe had to fire for that in jobe being a

conservative republican in the media world that is not, a lot of people were saying it really won't work, why don't you come over here on the nightly news or come to "the today show." do you really want to do that? i will tell you that for the first time ever in 20 years in this business, working with all of these big egos, and growing up with a lot of them too, i will tell you this is the smartest guy in terms of television production. i looked at people straight in the eye and i said, yes i do. do you want me to do another prepackage, already thought out the in the what is going to sound like he's on the network again. >> we are, believe you mean we wake up at 3:30 in the morning and by the time we get on the set, five minutes into it we go we are the luckiest people in the news. can you believe?

you can take in the morning. the people that come and sit down at the table, we really do. we feel extraordinarily lucky. takaki has to come verse and i have got to say this. we joke around chris and willie talk about mika being 80 the. no ego at all. no ego, note diva of its. there is seriously though one row. she gets the coffee first. [laughter] one time we had a poor internet came who didn't know the rule and they gave me the coffee and she said, honey, sweetie, i get the coffee first. and the girl had a nervous laugh and she said, i am not joking. [laughter] give mika her coffee first in she is so easy to work with but second or third it gets really ugly. >> joe, regardless of their politics, i love your choice in

cohosts. here is a question and it is serious. i really want to know the answer to this. over at nbc, it seemed like russert and matthews were hammering hillary clinton and mercilessly and wonder how you to felt about that while it was happening? >> i will take it first because actually that is the time the question. tim, i actually can tell you, tim and i actually had discussions about his concern that he didn't think hillary was getting a fair shake in some quarters. but i actually i just wrote something today about hillary clinton. and what a remarkable campaign she ran last year and somebody, one of corrade said in a game change that they didn't think she had the character to be president of the united states. i can tell you after seeing her

fight back time and time again and pull herself off the mat time and time again, i have never seen a major national candidate with more character and more fight and more determination than hillary clinton. if she doesn't have the character to be president of the united states, i don't know who does and i can say this and i'd nomi that agrees with me, she is a grown up. and after coming to washington d.c. in 1994 and dividing people based on ideology i can tell you i am at the stage now where i divide them between grown-ups and punks, and sadly there are far too few grownups. >> remember when we interviewed her in new hampshire? >> the night before. 19 points down. >> we went to interview her on a freezing, cold night. arzt their-- they started as early as hers and she was

losing, and she should have looked different. she should have been different budget 9:30 at night, who was a waiting in line behind us? john roberts or someone doing an interview with her as well when she was unbelievable. >> she was 19 points behind in some polls. it was the night before the primary. everybody said this was her last night in she was going to lose. the actually sat there in the back of the room and i have fallen in love with hillary nor her that viper quencher my new girlfriend at the time that even as i said watching her up on stage in the night before bill clinton had apologized for his wife's performance to a group of college students saying, i can't make her taller or younger or more articulate or better looking. it was terrific. and i turned to me that and they said do you know what? she deserves better than this. but we went up and we interviewed her.

holy cal. nurse of steel. >> energetic. >> she said time and to keep fighting until less stopped fighting and when i stop fighting that is fine. but let me tell you something. she was treated for epically. as the guy who always complains about media bias i can tell you there were two elections were thought democrats retreated terrifically. one, ironically al gore in 2000. i thought the media was biased against al gore in 2000 and gave george w. bush-- and then this past year with hillary. i agree with you. i think the press is absolutely terrible to her. >> thank you. my name is john and i am the chairman of native american communications so my question is somewhat self-serving. we sat back here and we are trying to figure out film casting for you all is glenn close and tom hanks. [laughter]

and to appreciate that you are opening up all kinds of voices to be heard that our not necessarily heard the news so i want to thank you. my question is, when will you be bringing on native american voices that are not just left or right but also might be hurt? >> yeah come tamika. i was asking you that this morning. >> i am saying no, i'm not ready. if we bring on all voices, but the only thing we don't bring on our people to be us. we kind of have the meter for that. >> we don't do well but the talking points. >> talking points, we left people off the set when we try to do that. you were off that day. who was the women i interviewed chris and i was just like, goodbye. that is not going to work. >> not going to say her name. by the way this is chris over here. [applause] when you said e-mail saying terrible things about me he is

the one who reads them on the air. >> we really are wide open to people who bring it to the table in terms of conversation. the one guy he was always on that line and we don't know if we are going to have to cut them off, gerald ford jr because he has always guthrie talking points. >> he at least allows us to tell him he is all that. >> how many of you like-- for senate in new york? >> i would love to know the political complexion. how many democrats? how many republicans? i love that. independents? this is so great. that is so great. one more question. >> five more questions. >> i think i watch the show almost every day. i may have missed it but i don't remember you every interviewing sarah palin. >> you will have to call sarah palin's press office and ask them why that is.

>> she is on fox now. in fact the night she is on. [applause] we might take a look at that for the show tomorrow morning to see how she does. she is so polarizing. >> it is very interesting about that. right now, the people, if we have trouble, we get everybody on the show we ask for but right now we are sensing more of a reluctance for some republican party leaders. the rank and file will come on, republican senators come on. leadership right now is having trouble. michael steele comes on. and it is fascinating. you never know what he is going to say. >> i know. it is exciting, isn't it? >> i had a friend told me we sort of, some of the republican presidential candidates got concerned after tim pawlenty came on toys. i asked him five times that he

really believed there was a death panel contained in this bill and if so-- and he would not say no. in the second time he came on we asked him five times if he was glad that olympia snowe was a republican. i asked him that politely five times, yes or no. and he would not answer the question. and, then we had haley barbour on next. we said governor barbour, are you glad olympia snowe is a republican? he said hell yeah. i wish jim jeffords were still a republican up in vermont because he is a more liberal senator in congress and the most conservative guy in vermont. you had a question. >> i am a veteran of the trenches of 4,001, nebraska. love your problem-- program.

i watched the wand homepage ms. brzezinski when i got started in the game. i have a question and then three follow-ups. how much of a world do you have been putting together the run down? that is the first question. putting together packages and things. there's a cnn program that has lowered their better bumpers songs. would you consider doing that for your show? would you be sherman and give us an opinion about whether not you retired from-- and i guess that is pretty much it. >> okay. chris? >> well, the song title-- i have got to tell you a lot of people, we get tons of e-mails about the songs we play. yeah. we don't plan the amount so would have to type it in the kai runs, but yeah.

it does sound like more work. it is awfully early. seriously. the second question. >> how to put the show together. i think we can talk to chris about how he stacks up the run line and how we tears of the park. >> whited you briefly tell them about this magid? >> he is so brilliant. he is our executive producer. [applause] isn't he cute? >> it is very simple. we put together everything they might possibly talk about. put it in a sheet and put it in a very nice order. we are going to do this this sound bite and joe puts it in his hand, puts it next to him and just talks. then when we are in the control room you try to follow along and hopefully we have that something they have talked about. >> okay. alright, alright, okay. sometimes we change things around and make you crazy. you are not going to tell that

part of the story? okay. thank you chris. the other question, and you in politics. they want to know. are you going to go into politics? i say no unless it is a bipartisan tickets. >> yes, exactly. i don't think that would work out very well. >> argue sure? >> pie wide sesno so she is the speaker of our house. >> as someone who met you in '94 when you first came here and worked some issues with the defense and you always have a lot of energy and always a lot of passion. but what made you grow? you are a lot different than you were in '94. on the good side. you are never bet. i want to say this right. but was it mika? [laughter] [applause] >> what changed? like i said, yeah.

"all things at once". i don't know. i can tell you ideologically i have not changed and i get that a lot from conservative saying, when did you become liberal and i issued the bill o'reilly challenge a couple of years ago where i said name one issue where i changed on significantly when i first came to washington in 1994 when everybody called me right wing crackpot and i will give you $1,000. i have always believed in personal freedoms. i have always believed washington to stay out of people's personal lives with you are talking about abortion are talking about marriage and let the states worry about it. i think the main thing is though that i figured out no party has all of the answers. i came in and 94 thinking the democrats were the problem and the republicans were the

solution because of 40 years of democratic rule on the hill and i found that we screwed up washington more in five years than democrats did in 40. a actually, we did a lot of good things. when i left town in 2001 we had a 155 billion-dollar surplus but after republicans took control and on washington for eight years, they left with $1.5 trillion deficit. so what i found was absolute power in washington d.c. is i think the ultimate evil. i think it is a very bad thing when any one party owns washington. i think that is the reason why barack obama who is said 71% last year and is sitting according to a cbs poll tonight, 46%. i think that is why george w. bush came in with the best of intentions and left in the low '30's. i have found that james madison was a pretty smart guy.

balance of power and certainly more give-and-take in washington. >> i am told we have time for one more. >> krate, one more question. really, seriously was said that that in 1994? imad. [laughter] just out of curiosity, when this willie and mike biotical's book coming out? >> lilly is working on one. in reality, it is on deadline right now. >> mike barnacle is just working at staying out of jail. he usually walks through central park seriously with sunglasses on. >> this big black ones. >> i was walking through central park a couple of weeks and there was this guy on the bench with sunglasses. i was like, hey. and it was mike chronicle.

any other questions? way in the back. i will run back to you. this is so fun. >> i've really enjoyed you on bill maher and i thought it was daring of you to come on. i was very impressed with what you said. >> i don't know. >> i think you are going to be on the colbert report. which will be a lot of fun. >> i am nervous. >> let's have a vote. should mika go on the colbert report? [applause] >> thank you everybody. >> we have two more questions. anybody else? >> what you think of george stephanopoulos's decision to move to morning tv? >> mika, from hard news to fluffiness, but jorde said he is going to try to make it a little harder but that is difficult to do in that format.

what do think of that? >> i hope he is happy. i think it will be great. [laughter] >> can you tell her father was a diplomat? that is a rough woman. it really is. i can't watch the show for more than mike 15 minutes. we will see how it works out. >> maybe it will be a huge hit. >> it will be a huge hit. you seem so happy about it. okay, final question. this will be the final question. it is so hard. the guy in the red vest. [inaudible] >> isn't that fascinating? a lot of people ask me that. a lot of democrats last year went to their priest, mika. [laughter] went to confession and ask for forgiveness because they found

their cell-- themselves liking pat buchanan. >> pat buchanan is very likeable and i think it is because of the show you put together in which that can be seen from more than one dimension, and you get to see that he has got a charming personality. he is that a great sense of humor. he has a great love of history and he has some very interesting views as well. >> he does, and pat said to have sector coming on the show for about six months, he said for the first time i walked through the airports and they are not yelling at me. [laughter] he said, if i had you guys in '92 i would have been elected president. [laughter] >> thank you also much. really appreciate it. [applause] ..