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the whole theory of evolution and what happens ♪ ♪ does he send it to sir richard owen ♪ ♪ no ♪ does he send it to thomas henry huxley ♪ ♪ no. he sends it to charles darwin ♪ ♪ what a ca-as itry ♪ alfred says he came up with it first ♪ ♪ what a dilemma ♪ and me i'm surrounded by assassins ♪ ♪ everybody wants to get in the act ♪ ♪ well, so darwin writes it down and sends it to to the linoleum society of london ♪ ♪ then he writes a book on the origination of the specimens ♪ ♪ now, i'm mortified beyond chagrin ♪ ♪ so what happens? ♪ darwin gets all the credit ♪ ♪ wallace gets downloaded to a
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footnote in history and i lose by a nose ♪ ♪ how humiliating ♪ but i don't care. ♪ 'cause i know what really happened ♪ ♪ and now the truth is out ♪ and it's beyond a doubt ♪ i'm the guy who found natural selection ♪ ♪ yes, sir ♪ i'm the guy who found natural selection ♪ ♪ goodnight, folks ♪ and goodnight steven j. gould ♪ wherever you are ♪ ♪ goodnight [applause] >> thank you for coming. [applause] >> thank you. thank you for coming. [applause] >> thank you. thank you. oh, isn't that sweet.
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>> richard milner is an anthropology associate at the american museum of natural history. and a contributing editor at natural history magazine. he's the author of the "encyclopedia of evolution." for more information visit darwinuniverse.org. >> sarah palin signs copies of her book "going rogue: an american life" at a bookstore in cincinnati ohio. before governor's palin's
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remarks book tv talks with a coordinator of the event. it's about 40 minutes. >> you have line tickets. you've got your book. you've got your receipt. okay. fair enough. [inaudible] >> yeah, there's a bunch of different letters. roughly about 26. different letters. and then there's a small vice president group. -- vip group. and so when we let you in, at 10:00 we're going to close the store to people without the line letters. so you're going to be welcome to, you know, shop the store we're going to line people up by groups so you're not going to be standing in one space for, you
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know, four or five hours. we'll line people up by groups. and then you'll just -- you'll go up. it is going to be very quick, though. i'm telling people in advance she's going to be signing very fast. she has a lot of people she wants to try to get through. so we're telling people in advance. and that she has to leave on a hard deadline to get to her event to columbus this evening. security is going to block this off and she's going to come right up through her back entrance. or stay in the back and until she comes through and does a signing. we're trying to tell people. >> one, two, three. >> thank you. >> dixie brugman, dayton ohio >> what brings you here to early to the sarah palin book-signing? does have it anything to do with that sweatshirt you're wearing? >> it has everything to do with it.
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in fact, i went to some of her rallies and got up and stayed up all night to get there -- to get in the front row. i got a hug from her. >> how can you explain to us your enthusiasm for sarah palin? >> well, because she stands for the values and the principles of what i believe in, smaller government, less taxes, strong military and big defender of the constitution. and she walks the talk basically. she's won politician that walks the talk. >> will you be supporting her in 2012? >> i'll be supporting her for the rest of my life. i'm just pleased to be living this long to see a politician like this. to see a woman like this. >> what makes her different than other politicians? >> because she's not afraid to take on her own party.
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she's very -- she has impeccable integrity. she says what she means and means what she says. she's not afraid to bring down her own party and if she sees things that are corrupt and tactical. she's not from -- you know, she's not from inside the beltway. she's not been to d.c. she's just an unbelievable politician. somebody we haven't seen for -- remember that movie "mr. smith goes to washington." this is mrs. palin goes to washington, we hope. >> if there's something wrong inside the beltway that needs to be fixed. what is wrong? >> well, i think we need to get rid of these -- what do you call them, these long-term politicians that have been there 30, 40 and 50 years. they get entrenched with that kind of mentality. and they're corrupt. every time you turn on a tv there's another corrupt politician with an ethics charge. and they don't listen to us anymore.
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they don't listen to us out in the heartland. they don't listen to us. she does. >> there's something you missed saying? >> yes, i want to say she's a woman like i said with a strong values but she's a woman with impeccable integrity and a very strong faith in god and she's not afraid to let that show. >> i think that's fantastic. i agree with you 100%. we heard your words and we believe in that. >> yes. >> perfect. said perfectly. >> so you're all here very early. why are you here so early for this? >> so we would have a chance -- >> we wanted to get in here, yes, exactly. >> do you remember when you first learned about sarah palin and what your reaction was when you learned about her? >> my reaction was that i went to the republican national office and started making phone calls for the campaign. as soon as i heard she signed on and heard her speech that night.
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great inspiration. >> what about her inspires you? >> her integrity and how she holds herself. her confidence in who she is and what she stands for. and she can express it to the average citizen. in a comfortable way. that's easy for us to say, she comes from the same background. same situations that we are in every day. she's just a great inspiration to the country. and she will make a lot of changes in whatever she does. >> i agree with that 100%. i think she is one of the best things we are finally beginning to get people like herself. i think we need to start turning our country around. we are becoming a socialist
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country with obama and i am totally against that and i think sarah would be the best person to come through and come out. and i think she will help turn our country around. >> now, when you say we're becoming socialist country, what do you mean by that? >> obama, obama. >> specifically why? >> i just don't like his ideas. i do not like what he does. and i think it's horrendous. >> i think it's a mindset in regards to socialism. socialism that government does for the citizen. and we have to get back to the values of we do and we make our own lives and our own futures, not because of what government is giving us. so it's a -- socialism is a simple term. it's not something that's -- that's intricate in regards to the policies he's making.
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it's a mindset that he's instilling in so many people in the population. so that's what socialism is. >> and i want to be able to create some feelings of support for sarah palin. i think she is a great leader. and i have to say in all due respect, you guys who have been running our country for so long -- you just can't seem to get it right. and i think we need a leader in the female gender to get the world turned around. we need to be on the committee. we need to run the committee. and, sorry, guys, but you have goofed up too many times over the years and we need new leadership. as far as obama, i think he is an abomination. and to go before our troops and
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say you make a good photo opp, that did it. i think -- he doesn't know what he's doing. and i think the sooner the better we get a lady -- woman who is the caliber of sarah palin, we can turn things around. thank you. >> so you think she will be running in the next election? >> that's up to her. i'm not here to tell her to do that or not to do that. i think she's got a lot of spunk and a lot of leadership qualities. and whatever she believes, she can do. i'm sure she will and i think she will do it with gusto. and i think she's got a lot of followers to help her along the way. i think she's knocked at every turn by the loony liberals and people that want to tear things down. they do it because they know she is a force for good. and i think they are only a force for evil.
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i'm sure to say it. -- i'm sorry to say it. i'm 75 years old and i've seen a lot of changes in our country but we are on the wrong road. absolutely on the wrong road. who does obama bring into the fold? people that haven't paid their taxes. people whose goals and whose leadership qualities are mao tung and others of that ilk. why are we letting some little squirt who might have a good view and a good ability to speak turn us going in the wrong direction? we've made a great mistake and we need to correct that mistake as soon as possible. and i urge every person in this country to get behind someone who can help us instead of taking us in the wrong direction. and at this point in time one of the candidates for that event is
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sarah palin. >> i'm charlotte from cincinnati. actually i live outside of there in oxford. i think she's what america needs right now. she's just great all the way around. i just love her. she's great. >> when you say you like her conservative values. what do you mean by that seven >> specifically, she believes in the constitution. the abortion issue, i'm against abortion. just good american values. i just -- you know, i just love that about her. she's a real person. she's one of us. she's not from washington, d.c. she's not anything -- you know, she doesn't act like anything she's not. she's just herself. and i really like that. >> my name is nancy and i'm from dayton, ohio >> have you ever seen her in person before? >> no. no.
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so i'm really anxious and excited about meeting her and having the book signed. >> and have you heard anything about the book yet? >> oh, i've heard lots of things. no, i haven't read it yet. i watch fox news a lot. and they've had lots of interviews and stuff like that on there. and i've been watching those and enjoying those just watching her. i'm real excited. >> what is it that you like about sarah palin? >> just about everything. i'm like her. i like her conservative values. she's one of us. like she said, she's not ever tried to be something that she's not. she's down-to-earth. she's got her head on straight. she's not like some of the people we're dealing with now in the government that seem to have their head above the clouds. >> hi, do you have your line ticket? >> no. >> what's that?
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>> no. >> unfortunately, we're completely sold out. sorry about that, folks. thanks for coming out. hi. do you have your line letter for the event? >> i was just going to buy a magazine. >> unfortunately, we're closed for the sarah palin event. >> so you're closed all day. >> we're closed till 3:00. sorry about that. >> you're completely out of tickets? >> yeah. it's completely sold out. >> we can't even come in and buy a book. >> unfortunately, we're closed for the event, sorry. >> all right. >> do you have your event ticket? >> i'm here to pick it up. >> you already paid for it. pick it up. >> do you know anything about east clinton high school? >> well, neighbors two weeks ago or whenever this was -- >> do you have your receipt and everything? >> my receipt?
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>> come in. >> i have a friend. can i get to the coffee shop? >> you go out and go through the coffee shop door. thank you very much. >> they have not done a good service to our country. and i think it's time for a woman to step up and get on the committee. i think the current administration wants us to go downhill all the way to the bottom. >> she just represents everything that i think is good with this country. i have five girls, five grown daughters. and we all feel sarah is a really great lady. and if she runs for anything, we'll vote her. >> what is it about her that makes you feel that way? >> i think it's probably the simple fact that she seems truly like a real -- a real woman. a real person, really. she hunts and she raises a
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family and she does all these things but isn't what we all kind of want to be very versatile and just live our lives and be a good person? i think she doesn't -- i think the most important thing is that she truly believes in what she says and that she loves her country. >> did you already have tickets or wristbands to get in? >> we had the tickets. >> how did you do that? >> we called and we talked to joseph beth. >> so you went straight through to the owner? >> it did. >> why are you coming out for sarah palin? >> i just love all she stands for and fox news by the way. you guys are great. i don't know what we would do if we only had the mainstream medi this country would not be the same. glenn beck, bill o'reilly, sean hannity -- we love all of you. >> and what -- what do you think why sarah palin draws such a big crowd? >> i think she speaks her mind. i think she knows what she's talking about politically.
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i think she knows what's best for the country. especially from an energy standpoint. i think she is a constitutionalist. she knows the constitution. she doesn't want to see the country go toward socialism and i think that's what's happening. >> it's such a high turnout of people being interested in sarah palin just one year after the election passed makes me ask, what does it mean for united states? what is going on in this country? >> we're finding that most of americans that voted for barack obama are dependent on the government. that they feel that the government is going to give them prosperity. and what we're trying to support sarah is by telling her that we understand that our future is in our hands. that the government is supposed to be there to protect the country.
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and that's their main position in society and in the united states. and we don't need them for social agendas. we need to instill hard work, integrity and independence. and that is being lost in america right now. so what -- as individuals to tell people that government is not the answer. and that's what sarah is trying to do. >> what after sarah palin was aspiring a position in a government also and how does she differ from the establishment? >> because she doesn't believe in adding agencies. adding department of education to the federal government. that's supposed the statement. [inaudible] >> hi, my name is thomas. i blog on the internet. i'm originally from sunnyvale,
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california. >> you were here very early this morning. i think it was a quarter of 8:00. what brought you here so early? >> i wanted to scout out the area primarily to see how the parking would be and to see if any lines had developed. but there were not a lot of long lines here because they used a system here that was not a first come first served but rather groups based on a letter. so it worked out pretty good. weidn't get a lot of backup of people in the parking lot. it worked pretty good. >> your shirt says conservatives 4 palin. we got your back gov. what's that mean? >> it's the premier went out on the internet that defends sarah palin against the media attacks. it also put columns on issues related to politics. it was originally started by a gentleman named joseph russo
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with about $10 and now it's a very popular went out there. where people can go to get their information on sarah palin. it's very fast. very factually-based. very professional. and i would strongly recommend it. that's ww www.conservatives4sarahpalin.com . sarah palin and i came of age of the age of reagan. i'm the oldest and she's the middle daughter with the oldest brother. our fathers were both school teachers, high school teachers and coached sports. also we're the same age, born in 1964. and our political beliefs are pretty much the same, fiscal conservatism, social conservatism. she's a western libertarian. we're both christian. i'm catholic. she's evangelical.
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and also -- and she's for a strong defense. so i think reagan really played a big part in both of our upbringing in the formation of our beliefs as we grew up. >> what does conservative mean to you? >> conservative -- there are many strains of conservative. i tend to gravitate most to -- what would be edmond burke or russell kirk. what i call kirk and burke conservatism which beliefs in an enduring moral order and the virtue of prudence. and i would recommend -- if you want to know more about conservatism, i'd recommend blogging edmond burke or russell kirk. if i could recommend one book, it would be russell kirk a conservative mind which came out, i believe, in the '60s, '50s or '60s but that was kind of a movement book. >> so if you look around at political leaders who is closest to kirk and burke for you? >> it would have to be sarah
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palin. i think she's the premier conservative. she has three things going for her. she has the convictions. she's got the charisma. and most important, she's got the courage. the country right now is kind of heading very collectivist and we see economically we're having problems with unemployment and a slowing economy and a government that's really kind of getting out of areas that the constitution really has promoted. and i think sarah palin right now is the champion of the libertarians and conservative movement in america today. >> we were allowed to release 1,000 kind of political guaranteed line letters. people that we were pretty sure -- her team was pretty sure she would be able to get through in the three-hour signing and then we also did 200 standby tickets in groups of 50. to kind of run as time permits. so we sold out of the guaranteed tickets last friday.
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and out of this 200 standby tickets sunday, so about two days later. >> i need to see your line ticket. >> she arrives at noon. she's going to come on her bus, which is, you know, a completely draped bus. and she will come in, get her family settled in the back room and then come out to give a very brief hello to cincinnati and to her fans. and she will begin the book signing. her team harpercollins and my team here have worked to get the signing area sort of set according to her requests. and that she will begin signing books very quickly. no personalizations. no post-photography and try to
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get through as many of her fans as possible. the team is also going to have a photographer here who's taking a series of still images that they're handing out cards where people can go on to website and hopefully find a picture of them getting their book signed by ms. palin. >> finally, how does this compare to other -- do you have other events of this size? >> you know, just in my time we've hosted caroline kennedy which had about 3,000 attendees. stephanie meyer of the twilight fame. eclipse, you know, people coming in from six states away. we've had a number of very large events here. johnny bench. so, yeah, it sort of spans the gambit. >> how does it help the bookstore.
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what's in it for you? >> i think the biggest thing is the challenge of letting people know that we do events is always tricky. you know it, seems like every time we do one of these big events we have people who live in the city and even in the neighborhood that are like, oh, i knew you were a bookstore. i didn't know you had authors where we host, you know, 20, 25 authors a month. so getting people -- getting that top of mind awareness is probably the biggest benefit but also just having people experience an event here, understand how we do it with the line letters and just kind of getting that muscle memory almost of knowing what it takes to get from their door to our door and back to their door will hopefully convert people from maybe a once or twice a year visitor to someone who comes in and just reads a lot more. >> my name is nina. i'm from here in cincinnati. >> what time did you get here this morning? >> about 7:30.
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[laughter] >> so you've been here over three hours now going on four hours. >> i had breakfast while i was waiting for this to start. >> why did you come to early? >> i wanted to make sure i got in and i get a place. it's really important for me to be here today. >> why is it important for you to be here? >> because i wanted to meet sarah palin or at least see her in person. i think she's an up and comer. and i agree with her politics. i voted for her. [laughter] >> what do you like about her politics? >> she really follows what most of the people that i know -- middle class, mid-america is about. and it's my kind of candidate. >> what are the most of the people you know -- what are their politics? >> most of the people that i know want a smaller government. we don't want the government interfering with our lives to the extent that it is.
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we don't feel we need a nanny state. people in my family go back for generations in the united states and we do not believe that we need to be taken care of. we take care of ourselves. the government should be very limited. and i think that's more her style than the current president. unfortunately. >> so you're not in favor of any kind of healthcare reform? >> i think there's some things about healthcare that needs to be changed but i don't think you have to take over everything to do it. and what they're saying -- they said it was supposed to be originally they were going to cover everybody that wasn't covered -- none of the bills they have are going to do that. instead, it's going to tax us. it's going to create a lot more problems. i have medical problems and i know that are going to be seriously affected. i read the bill -- congress doesn't, unfortunately. we had one congressman get on tv and speak and say, he can't read
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the bill even in three days and he couldn't understand it if he read it. now, this is what they're voting on? >> what are you going to say to sarah palin if you have a minute to say something to her? >> 2012, baby. [laughter] >> thanks. >> governor palin will be joining us pretty shortly so thank you for your patience. no need to be in close. really. lots of room in this store. enjoy yourselves. shop. we love that. [laughter] >> please, please, enjoy yourselves. >> i understand you came all the way from florida for this sarah palin book-signing. can you explain why? >> yes, yes for sure i did. i had to see this woman who represents middle america. she is our voice. >> why is that. can you explain a little more about that. >> everything she says pertains to the middle people. she is dynamic. she is for middle america.
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she knows the issues. i think that she's going to represent us more than we anticipate. >> when you say middle america, what do you mean? >> just the commoners. people who don't know where to go to get information. don't know where to go to have representation. i think she will be their voice. >> and did you mccain and palin in '08? >> by all means i did. i did. >> why do you think they didn't win the election? >> i think there's too much outside influence. and i don't think that she was given the opportunity. i think there were too many people that were strategizing and kept her from speaking out. >> a number of people i talked to seems to be sort of upset about how she's treated by the media. would you agree with that?
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and what would you say about that? >> i think she was treated unfairly. i think that she should have been able to speak more openly and have her own platform. >> and are you a lifelong republican? >> no. i used to be a democrat. but when she came on the scene -- george bush ii. but when palin came on the scene, i felt that i needed to vote for somebody who was in my corner. >> thank you very much. what about you two? >> definitely palin. >> i'm sorry. you said that she knows what the country needs. what does the country need? >> the country needs honesty. they want to hear the truth. and we're not hearing the truth right now. we're hearing a convoluted information that's totally
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confusing on matters. we can think we're voting for one thing but really it could be all twisted around and tied up into another piece of the legislature that will then make it something that we haven't really vote for. and that's what scares me. i think we need someone that tell us the straight story and we're not getting that. >> and your name and where you're from. >> my name is linda hogan and i'm from cincinnati, ohio. and this is my daughter, jill. >> hi. i think that sarah palin is a real voice for america and she has the platform to stick up for us and to give america the change -- the actual -- people are talking about change. she is the change that we need. >> you look familiar. [laughter] >> yes. do i look a little like sarah. >> can you tell me your name and where you're from.
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>> carolyn from kings mills, ohio >> are you dressed up to look a little bit like sarah palin on purpose? >> well, actually this is my look and we just happen to look alike. >> why are you here today? >> absolutely to meet sarah palin. get my book signed. >> what do you like about sarah palin? >> you know, i like her because i believe that she is she's just real. she seems like one of us. and, you know, raising her children and also doing everything that she does, you know, running for vice president and hopefully she will continue. >> so if she were to run for president in 2012, why would you support that? >> i support it because -- you know, i believe that she -- she's a woman who, you know, knows what she's doing. and i just support her. and i like her. [applause]
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[applause] >> oh, my goodness. thank you so much for being here. oh, we're going to have a blast. thank you. [applause] >> i appreciate your boldness and your courage even for being here especially those who are carrying your book under that arm. you're going rogue with me. [applause] >> really, it is good to be here on this book tour. i appreciate those of you who want to read my words unfiltered. it's refreshing for me to get to call it as i see it and not worry what everybody is going to see and get out and speak truth and that's how you guys are wired otherwise you wouldn't be here. we'll get to work and sign your books.
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and i want to shake every one of your hands and thank you for being here. god bless you. [applause] sarah! sarah! sarah! sarah! sarah! sarah! sarah! [applause] >> hear very much from her other than what she just gave us because they restricted the news media no sound equipment or things like that up in the signing area here at joseph beth. your point to be here to see sarah palin on your own, you're out of luck all the slots have
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been out. this store has been officially closed to public until 3:00 when the book-signing is over. >> phyllis, thank you. i appreciate you. hello, how are you? >> it's so nice to meet you. thank you so much for being here. >> i appreciate you so much. can i make it to you? >> the lady in the green. >> thanks so much for being here. >> okay? i want you to be comfortable, guys. and everybody, you're going to get through. we're going to get you through quickly with a good time. >> i'm from deerpark. >> and why did you come here to get your book signed today? >> she's like a rock star to me. she believes everything that i believe. she's a great girl. and conservative, you know. i just love everything about her. great mom. >> thank you for being here
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today. what's your name. >> dena, god bless you too. and i appreciate that. thanks. >> it was so nice to meet her. >> did she talk to you at all? >> yes, a little bit. i had a few words to tell her. i told her i was the radar czar and she needs to readjust that radar and we'll see her in 2012. >> can you show us the signature? the signature there? >> oh, yeah, i have my signature. >> it's nice to meet you. thank you so much. what do you do? [inaudible] >> oh, very good? thank you so much. thank you. i appreciate it. >> hi, how are you?
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>> hi. what's your name? nice to meet you. >> joel de motto and i'm from cincinnati. >> and what brings you out here to the book signing today? >> look around you. i mean, first of all, i believe that this woman is a lot different from the average politician you see today. she actually answers the question without trying to dodge it. and i think that's the best thing that i like about her. also i think if you look at all
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the political books you'll see, she dedicates it to americans just like mark levin -- i saw his "liberty and tyranny." they're dedicated to the people. most politicians dedicate it to themselves. and i think that's the difference. but look around you. there's no northeasterner or california people here. they're all midwestern and, you know, people that are like her, i think. which is not like the normal politician we see today. >> now, i'm going to ask what's wrong with the people from the northeast and california? >> nothing. i was born in new york. but they think when you're leaving new york city, you're camping out. and that's not true. you know, again, i think she sounds like the average american. and when you ask her a question, she answers it just the way the average american would instead of the politicians that want to
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run away from most of your questions. >> you think she has a chance to be president some day? >> i think she has. i think -- my own guess would be her plan would be to get on the campaign trail with other conservatives. she will raise a lot of money for them. she will be able to stand next to them and, i think, show they're somewhat like her and not again like the average politician. and i think after the elections next november, she will sit there and say you know what? i've got enough people out there that really think like i think. why not? i think she can. >> do you consider yourself a conservative? >> i do. you know, yes, i do. >> what does that mean to you? >> that means that i don't think government is -- should be as large as it is. i think most of the freedoms that we enjoy we should continue.
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you know, i think this healthcare thing really shows you the problems we have. we've got somebody with a broken leg and we want to take his heart out. i mean, there's a couple of things we can fix, tort reform being one of them. i should be able to buy insurance across the state. that would solve most of the problems without having to go through extra -- the extra tax are going to be put ourselves. and my grandchildren are going to have to wind up to pay for this. >> so work with us. >> thank you so much. >> rachel kauffman, i'm from love land. >> and you just came down from getting your book signed. what was it like? >> it was amazing. actually i just drove from ohio state today. i'm a student there. so i just got in the car and came down. my sister told me she had a ticket and it was amazing. i love sarah palin. i just saw her on oprah this week. it was phenomenal.
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>> do you have a lot of fellow students at ohio state that also follow sarah palin and like her. >> yes. i'm part of the college republicans club so we have a strong following up there. >> what is it about her that you're attracted to? >> i just think she's a strong woman. like a good family. like a great mom. and, you know, she's just a down-to-earth nice person. >> and did she say anything to you up there? >> she said it was wonderful. it was really nice to meet me and she was glad i came all the way from columbus today. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> michael link, publish relation manager of joseph beth booksellers in cincinnati ohio. we're about halfway today. how is it going today? >> it's going very well and it's still early in their tour. and having them come in and get situated there's still -- working everything through but people are incredibly excited.
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and they've been going right through there. a lot of people who are very, very passionate about ms. palin. and so it's been a remarkable experience. >> the book officially released this past tuesday. our signing is today on friday. there's just a couple of days in between. so they preordered the book by a voucher essentially for the book that they could then swap for the book. and when they bought the book they would get a line letter, a, b, c, et cetera. and so we called people up in groups of 50. they'd line up. that allows people to sort of browse the store. sit wherever they're comfortable and only stand in line for a very short -- relatively short period of time. we bring them up in groups of 50
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by letter. they go right up. right through. they get their books signed and shake ms. palin's hand and are free to shop or go home. this is certainly, i think, a unique situation as far as the national media goes. we are fairly familiar with all of our cincinnati media partners. but the national media network media we have in quite a bit but we're thrilled to welcome -- yeah, german tv, canadian tv. some of the network entertainment programs that's been following ms. palin on tour and, of course, our good friends at c-span. >> finally, for people who don't know joseph-beth booksellers, how could you describe it? >> well, you know, we're a regional book company. began in lexington. and we're in lexington and cincinnati. and then we -- after the first couple of years, the women who started davis kidd booksellers in memphis and nashville decided to
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