review and a little while because i have been a little busy with things on the receiving end of the book reviews for the first time. but i started reviewing, 10 -ish years ago. and for me getting into book reviewing was part of how i broke into writing in general. this is something i talked to students about a lot. you know, that this is of book reviewing is not one that generally pays very well. and it's not one that a lot of people can do for a living. and particularly when it comes to science writing. there are not a lot of people out there who want to read the really fat physics book and review it for a paper and get paid $250 for the whole process. las. .

>> it taught me a lot about writing and break into the world of getting myself published. barter that is because i had the specialization of a science background and i

write nonfiction. there is not that many people that put those two things together and do book reviews. i could contact book review editors i've avoided read the big fat physics book and i couldn't torpor the science and having a specialty was very helpful slows able to start reviewing books and building my buy-out at -- bio as a young writer to have the near times and "the boston globe" and the san francisco chronicled spinner keep going. >> and "washington post." [laughter] but if that was later. that was a incredibly valuable for me as a young writer to break into the professional world of writing. the benefits of what i have not thought about that but i

encourage writers to go that route it definitely did not make much money. there are a few places are magazines that will pay a decent amount of money for a book review maybe $1 per bird but that is about $500 sign words -- 500 words. >> speaking of "the washington post" let me turn to mr. charles and tell me about your experience. >> i was a teacher so i thought book reviewing was lucrative. [laughter] i started freelancing for "christian science monitor" then became the book editor then move to be the fiction editor about five years ago. i really no two people that supported themselves one is mr. freeman and mr. rubin tomorrow for the "wall

street journal" and "l.a. times" that passed away last year. he would do three or four per week and he's indicated them we paid $350 per review but a lot of bases just do it for free. you that your payment you get to keep the book. there is no way now to support yourself as a critic as a popular critic. >> we should talk about the ftc and giving back books of first i want to hear from katharine you have a lot of different places it. >> it was on the job training corps five 1/2 years i m incredibly will read secure novelist which has been helpful.

[laughter] but because i get assignments snout i read the first novel in 1986 but it was the way for me to really understand fiction and from the inside out with structure, pacing, and having to write reduce from even concise anonymous ones that will report that fifth the reviews do it is understanding about how novels are made. now as somebody writes a first novel this had a grim side effect because i knew all too well what happens when you publish your first novel. sometimes they say if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. [laughter] of the first review the trade reviews pay 35 or 40 maybe $50 for those reviews.

and they are inexperienced people are very experienced people you don't know who they are necessarily or what are they? i do think as a published novelist now having received a lot of reviews, even before i published in the first novel as a fiction writer i had a certain sympathy i brought to my reviews knowing it is somebody's baby when there is usually something you can say about it. i really liked the treatment of the flying monkeys i think there are ways to find a good in a book even if you have negative things to say about it. i do bring that but i would like to say about the $1 per word reduce, it is 500 words that you have to write over and over and over again. each time of the phone rings

with an urgent revision that keeps you from a dinner party or your child's birthday the rate drops a lower but i told the best and when she asked me to be on the panel i said i think imf the lightweight but i have reviewed over 40 times for "the new york times" and of the "l.a. times" and sam francisco chronicle and london review of books and in almost every case those editors are not there or the section is gone and they never pay for it original reviews to buy them off the wire for $8 the landscape has changed at tremendously since i began. >> a very good point* and david do have reviewed with beaudry number of places and have some semi regular gigs. tell us what that is like. [laughter] >> i have been reviewing for about 10 years. i have my own website and

about seven years ago started reviewing for print publications exclusively newspapers as a freelancer procure our review primarily a popular fiction, sean reflection suspends, stuff like that. i have written for most of the big newspapers at one time or another including the "washington post" "usa today", etc. a prepared to have a couple of regular gig smell which it is easier than it pinching yourself all the time i have a monthly column for the "chicago sun-times" which i have been doing for about six years and my a regular contributes to the day the based which is now in the state of flux. and you better love it if you want to get into it because there is not a lot

of money in it. the least i have never been paid you can write as many as you want for free but the least i have been paid is 50 and the most was $500 and that was five negative "new york times." nobody pays that much. a typical repeal is around 150 or $200 so depending on how long it takes to read a book you can figure out how much money you can make if you can get the work which is the depressing part. in the seven years i have been writing for newspapers which really isn't about long, the contraction of the industry has been a significant. numerous newspapers have cut sections complete the procure everybody else is downsizing i don't think

anybody has not downsized so the amount of work available is much less than it was. the space available is much less than it was. the flip side of course, is that we're is now a substantial amount of book review coverage on the internet which is a mixed blessing in the sense that there is on the business base -- un ltd. space there is as many reviews says people want to write them back goes hand-in-hand with the fact that it is not paid which means it is done by amateurs which could be a mixed bag some people don't for the love and they are good but that is a few and far between the typical review is on amazon which is not the best quality. >> of like to interject a couple of things and then

ask another question. i want to echo what my fellow panelists have said. i just been used to differ reduce. one that was $2 per words of a lot of edits another publication that paid o $300 and i was never through an editing process like this before in my life i think i end of me gained 1 penny for this review because it is not something we do for the money so before we get to the question of what types of reviews are out there you have all mentioned why you do it how it comes to you professionally but let's talk about the people who were reading the reviews for a moment. what are they looking for and what have you learned about what they need? our book reviews important to them anymore?

should i volunteer or go down the line? >> as a science person there is a specific person and some of that is in a sense tiny the public how much they can trust a book and i feel that my role as a reviewer of the science three -- book is to say does this could face scions for the public in the excess the ball and accurate way and telling a story to be interesting to them? what i did not too long ago ever some science issues with a book by thought it was a fun read and i had a lot of positive things to say but i had one issue the way the science was being interpreted.

because i feel like it is so important to put a science out there. so in particular i feel that i have an important role and almost an obligation to do that. that is why you're on this side of the table. [laughter] but it is not like i know everything either but also to do science reviews there are not a lot. i guess you do allow for fiction but i don't get the sense there is a huge pool of people doing science review. i know a lot of editors and i am often turning down reviews because i don't have the time to do them so i wonder are they not getting reviewed great then to they've vanished because nobody cares about them? i think one role they play is to put the books out there so the public can know

they exist. >> all of that fiction can brought to the brain. [laughter] it can also do service for readers so what do see they are looking for? >> we get 150 bucks per day and what we've reviewed 15 per week so it is overwhelming. i am complected but i don't see anything wrong with providing a reader service with what they might want to read people don't know they walk into a bookstore they're overwhelmed and choose books by tuesday to put those books by the door they ask questions i read? what do i like? that are asked about critical standards are a lot of the stuff of from what the critics think it is important. book reviews died in an unrelated to anything they wanted to read.

that is an unpopular thing to say but there are far too many out there that are plot summary or involved with the critics' own particular tastes that does not matter to an audience that all. as book reviewers we have to do a better job to reach the real audience which in this case is a newspaper readers. what do they want? we need to provide a service and we have been cut off the board to long. that is all i have to say. >> we will get back to use to make it feel more privilege that my novel was reviewed by "the washington post" given those numbers. i feel most book critics i know are true citizens of literature and it is a peculiar intersection of citizenship of community service and i agree that

there are times when group reviews are just too disconnected and two personal and not universal enough to do anything for "the reader." but to really deliver the word of of wonderful book is a tremendous service for our culture and people are start for a way of finding what is good and the right sort of criticism enhances the experience and leads books to what they would not find on their own especially with off placement. if you walk into a barnes & noble and reduce the books in certain locations that is the planetarium that is received every day those books are on the table for the same reason the corn flakes are at the end cap at the supermarket. it is paid real-estate i am

confused that they are cynical about the corn flakes but they don't get it about the books. of the rights of a credit can really make a difference for those of books that are not the corn flakes of the bookstore. >> we will definitely talk more about that because figuring out how to make that assignment is something that is really challenging for everyone. david how about you especially doing with thriller and suspense in popular fiction that stuff that people really are buying of like the books that i reviewed. >> when i try to do in my role as a critic is two direct readers to what is the best that is available out there. i repute of lot of books that are popular and in some cases, a lot of best sellers but all bestsellers are not created equal. tried to say these of the people who even if they are

popular, they are worth reading and have something interesting to say and doing it to in an interesting way. catherine is right on with the fact that good book reviews can help eliminate the reading experience and can improve that by giving context, a guiding "the reader" into ways they could maybe think about the book and in terms for me as a sean a critic how does this fit 10 as a whole or what is done with fiction and society right now since so much science fiction is in the moment? as critics this is what we need to make people smart to readers and hopefully be more entertained reap -- readers at the same time. so that people will be more

willing to read that is one of the big problems that we confront does critics that our audience is shrinking because so many people are so busy with all of the different forms of media in their lives the books tend to get shoved aside and hopefully but we can do is direct people towards the kind of reading that we will enjoy so they can do it more often because they get to i love to watch tv but it is not as satisfying as reading a good book. a lot of people would be willing to read if we could remind them. >> or find them the right books. >> it comes back to the plot summary reviews it is part of the problem with criticism it is sometimes hard to tell which reduced our saying go by the book verses another.

i just want to add that from the perspective i have been reviewing for a long time at do people read in these reviews? what impact to these people have? i love the book tour and i have been talking ever since and not going home until june the people walk up holding copies of book reviews that came out one month ago and saying i read this if i had to go by the book. this is why. people have asked me to sign copies of a book review as a critic is a refreshing and it is a relief to know that people out there people really do start reading book reviews and take them seriously so and the world

of shrinking sections it is important to know and people have turned them offline from blogger reviews sino there's a lot of controversy about who is doing the reviews on blogs but some are pretty amazing and complex and this march. it is great for me to see that people are really reading. >> there are so many different issues being brought up i want to bring up what david started about the difference between their review and a book report. as you pointed out i started out a very quick background but when i started walking it was sort aol we had a book channel there that is no longer active and i was not allowed to join our colleagues because i was a corporate blog her.

the chaebol. [laughter] things change and i have always been able augur for someone i went from a a well to "publishers weekly" to pbs or i am now blocking and hosting this side. the perceptions have changed what i have not seen discussed enough to bring my own thoughts to the table that not everything that is labeled a book review is a book reviews so let's talk about that. that is one of the problems getting readers to know there are a lot of other things to bring up. what is a review verses a summary or a quick report? >> a lot of book reviews are just reports and never thought about that distinction i just thought it was a bad book reveals.

[laughter] >> those are the ones that i turned in. >> yes. we have the presumption the audience wants to write a book reviews? >> gettelfinger we have the presumption i think summarizing reduce but a show of fans who is interested in writing a book review? anyone? we all read a book reviews and that is what i am talking about how to know as a reader if somebody said here is a book review but you can say the plot summary that is different than a ron charles book reviews. >> if it is a new novel you don't know the plot but that summary should be in imbued with the critique of the success of the book and the way it affected you and the way it is written and that is a critical voice that falls away if you are just given a summary and a long quote and then the plot

spoiler. [laughter] we have been getting a lot of hate mail wait leave about potboilers. they have had it or. >> at least two are getting mail. [laughter] >> it is away the plot can influence you and change your feelings. >> one thing that is maybe not clear that what we mean by critical that does not necessarily mean negative. i think there are two extremes of these tendencies and one is to do a report or a summary this is what the book is about than others feel obligated to say something bad regardless than the obligatory here's a summary of good thing in a bad thing and i think they're really good reviews we've got together and

analytic. so just the term criticisms. >> that is why i like to review rather than criticism although it has its role to play i will let catherine and david respond by one to talk about the fact that people will say who cares? who cares who i learn about a book if i like it? but criticism hard to come a film, has a role in our discourse of life in academia beyond just getting someone to buy the newest novel. >> i walk both sides of the street and i feel the internet to have started to blur the boundary more and more with reading and writing so for many people to read the book coming amazon started at but they

have gone away from amazon they are at could read and library thing and places like that to express some kind of an opinion about the book that is infuriating to the author. [laughter] because it becomes a consumer evaluation and they are reviewing the book they would review a toaster it is a consumer decision i like a shiny buttons but there was not enough settings. only they say that about books. or i like this part but i did not like that part as if that is how you read a book to decide you put it into this part of life two but it becomes a consumer evaluation of a product which rethink is a pretty thin way to read mcmahon agreed any kind of book whether a novel or a

biography because it becomes a consumer evaluation that is not really all there is but for many people and has become the front line of what they read about the books that other people in their social networks half men reading. it is part of the conversation buying the book and writing about it what your friends and acquaintances have said about it and the whole conversation going on that has nothing to do with book reviews as they existed 10 years ago. >> it is a very valid point* and the problem we have with the authority we want to break some of the barriers down by breaking them all down. >> some of these evaluations are brilliant and thoughtful and nuanced, but it is the

jumping 10 like a metafiction the way you read a book is that you are evaluating and i go back the way you have small kitchen appliances and i think that is also something. >> that is interesting what catherine said i never thought of and those terms before. do suppose they're able to be a part of it? >> most people's interaction with a culture consists of being a consumer. >> it is one of the things that we are losing with the contraction a professional criticism. rethink the best way too really study the critical aspect of whether it is of no more literature is to find those critics zoom in your view are the best for they have the smartest things and most thought-provoking to you then you follow them over time.

you read what they write to you get to know their taste, biased, so that you can really understand their review as opposed to if you just come across a review cold, you don't know who the reviewer is, you don't know what to think about what they are saying. maybe they are a maniac or the author's best friend or hate him since the seventh grade. >> it is in "the washington post" they are cured aided reduce -- reduce pricey ryan scribbling notes and when you do have money to spend $350 or $50 but trying to get the right book to the rate reviewer is a big challenge and this matters because the end product of fleet will be helpful i don't know if that is what you were scribbling about? >> that is of great loss.

the papers used to have their own book critic you could place your reaction to the play credit for movie critic who is always wrong. [laughter] that is helpful. isn't it? you know, where they are. costs -- since he does not like it so i go the essentially of the book critics are gone so now every review you read has been a freelance or syndicated so you don't develop the relationship because you don't know who they are. we know that most people get recommendations from friends and family and go there first. far below that book critics

and npr that is why critics sides are taking off fifth now they have a larger circle. >> talk about making a bad match. >> but to find the books to review with them also the review were, we look at somebody who will read the book sympathetically not to like it but what is it about in trying to do? it may not do it too but this goes up in the assignment maintain all the time we say this book is about this i think it should go to these three people and we say no. that would not be fair we would never do that. we look for the sympathy and empathy with nonfiction in particular but we don't want

what is written exactly but we do want a critical knowledge of that book. >> that is the betting that does not have been. there is so many weird vested interest in things it is unbelievable what people pullout of a book. one dibromide e-mail so angry because literally one word in my book which was really irrelevant but just because he had a personal relationship. people who read the books it is not clear but i do think social networking is pretty great when it comes to the greeds even though i also agree writers should not be reading most of these things because there are some crazy things going on where people

don't understand what they're reading or think but what happens is people respond to that and that is the duty of social networking somebody will post a review the says they hated this book because the characters' names are stupid than somebody will say why are you saying that? what do you mean? [laughter] people will post one thing then somebody else was a different set of knowledge will say wait a minute. if you read all of the reviews you often will get a pretty clear picture. but the trick is figuring out how to read that stuff and weed out the stuff that is crazy but it is not going away it will be a part of a

culture and it is great that people talk about books online and added that is awesome. >> one of the things i noticed people are constantly asking what should i read the next? what is the best book out there? >> i always say "twilight". [laughter] >> a classic. the most popular review that we get so much traffic from is where i do a feature called read this, not that i did the time travelers wife verses her fearful symmetry purpose of busted not like it at all.

that may make us come to blows a. >> but that is a great features. >> but it shows me as the online editor and review were the people really do need to know that i cannot buy those books are spend $25 twice i need to know which one to bother with. we touched on this but it is something with the social and media aspect that we should talk a little bit more how do we get those list that people want to read but never hear about when we can only published one or 15 or 10 per week? >> but we like to do is read all the books and pick the best ones for review we cannot do that. all the time we have to pick the books and assign them and run the reviews. if we get a bit early review it seems like a waste of

space and we don't have the money to throw the review of. >> it is true. even with scions if you have a book that is really strong and house fortress are problems how do you pick about one instead of the 20 others? >> this is one of the places where online reviewing is useful and gives life to books that would not be designated you can do complex reviews online if you look at whether or facebook it will give a spread around more widely than it would infringe professor of the upside is that in a down 91 still pay. >> but we can only publish four per month but online

reviews are a huge category because they are signed a and edited and then people have their own blogs which is almost like a, with their own work they publish and they are very, very good there other people that are also online publishing opinions about books that are not very thoughtful in people who just go for quantity. there is a big range and i am not sure it is fully appreciated and a world of difference between online reviews and on-line reduce. there are cure rated edited publications that are online which i think you described about what you do versus somebody who has a personal blog and rights whatever he or she feels like which could be anything. it could be anything.

>> we're not supposed to use the word cure rated in the on-line world that is out. it is jargon. i cannot remember. it is something. that has gone by the wayside but it is a useful word. does not matter if it is on newsprint or glossy magazine paper or a blog. if it is curated and edited it says of the you can get something you can trust. the lines are blurring not between offline and online but things sitter actual journalism and commercial. there is paid placement and it is very hard for consumers to tell the difference and we said its

before it is very, very tough to tell who the real sources are being a "washington post" book limits are in we spent a lot of time making sure there is no conflict of interest. >> they should have not worked together or have any bad arguments in public. merry do the same person. [laughter] look it up on an bingo. [laughter] it will come write-up. >> how do you puree to the book studio? >> that is what i am actively working on. it has been liable for almost one year we are very excited about the fact we have reached our one-year

anniversary i do hire free-lance critics and try very, very hard to make sure they don't have conflicts when i a assign them a book i have an associate editor who is doing the signing and because she is a booktv lager to be very careful to say you cannot simply have blocker ax review something because they met the author they really like her and they went out to tea. no. i am not saying that hasn't happened but these are the things i think about, the professional issues because it is important for all of us to keep the standards going and it would be a disservice to readers and authors if we didn't. but it is taking so much time. and again we are not well compensated but we are trying.

with "daily beast" it has a really good book section another piece of jargon but it is hard. >> it is difficult because it does not bring in much of the way of advertising in difficult to bring in the number of hits the website is looking for because unfortunately book coverage does not seem to attract as much attention as we wish it would. i am sure we call it a book world. [laughter] we still imagine us meeting somewhere. >> that is a challenge every bloody faces to bring in the audience and other readers brighten know what the solution is. you talk of how to get more attention it will not happen in branch i don't think that is remotely feasible at this

point*. but there will not be more space. >> i know we want to leave time for questions. i want to give everybody a chance to sum up. what is the future and what happens to the book review? >> you are asking me? [laughter] i think you have to separate the business of it from the potential of it in some place that really does not make any sense. i think as a writer and a lot of ways there is a lot of different ways the books can get out. >> more places to write about them. >> the business side is dire but i don't think people will stop reviewing books

and i think in the subways there is hope for is somehow these things coming to gather. >> that is a good point*. >> ron, what do see with the print audience being larger than the on-line audience know your online the entire section is on line but you ought with a daily basis. >> the upside may be the few surviving newspapers that run book reviews will syndicate those around the country to small papers and they can read high-quality book reviews. that is a good thing. >> very interesting. >> the internet maine's yesterday's news is not yesterday's news it is not at the bottom of the parakeet cage it can be linked everywhere and the text remains available to many people for a long time.

as a novelist 1/2 to remind myself writing is an art and publishing is a business but add to that for book criticism, publishing is in a state of flux. what is following along with this terrible business is changing before our eyes. i think book reviewing is a cross of public service and entertainment. >> the migration of the reviews online with the reversible trend has some exciting aspects to it. we'll get a diversity of voices talking about books we will get a lot of people hopefully reading and participating in discussion and we will see a lot more types of books covered which is all very good and

positive and it is good for books and for the conversation but it will be tougher to find the quality quality, the legitimate book reviewing and it will be there but it will be a small part of the diversity of voices and it will be that much more difficult for the readers to find the good stuff. that will be hard and a challenge because we wouldn't want people to be dead taken been or have people give up on it because they get tired of reading garbage all the time. it has a great deal of potential but some real challenges. >> am i on time to start the questions? what i will do i will point* you you have a microphone

brought to so the gentleman right here in the second row with the blue shirt. >> the question is starting with ron charles say it world of fiction you said 15 books come in her day? >> 150 per day and 15 get reviewed so describe the process in the world of fiction what is the influences that determine which book to get paid for a book review that appear on the cover and which ones don't and how is that decision made? >> they come in on a huge part in someone's job is to sort by subjects negative honor there is fiction, nonfiction may and that editor we look at the books and sort them and is a decision is what we think is interesting or not and most is not almost everything is

thrown out so that leaves us with 10 or 15 books per day we look at those more carefully and read about them and bowling enemies tried to make decisions and those are not based on equality but whether we have reviewed the subject before, the author before sometimes we just did that type of book six weeks ago sometimes they are messed for other reasons. >> and you only one to review crown books. >> there are seasonal interest or holidays of our political issues those are external to the book's quality then we think about who could review it. sometimes may pick a book because we have the perfect reviewer sometimes we cannot find anybody to reduce sun-times the review word

does not submit and we don't have time to reassign it and it dies right there. and then we look at placement of paper, full-page and inside a. >> to add to that. the editors that i work with often sometimes you get an assignment or send a book or other times they will say this me three or four titles is sounds like you are passionate about that one and it has sold many qualities about it it is hard to say it depends on what i have in my the galley cause it. it is tough. >> there is a question right here. >> we are recording we have to have the microphone. >> the question is the relationship between the

author and the review were specifically thank-you notes. was lucky enough to publish a book can have it reviewed and "the washington post." >> who are you? the book is bible babble and michael reviewed it very generously. >> also on the books studio. i read this review and i thought it is amazing and he got the book and i wrote to my publicist and is said can i think jim? she said that is not usually done by yet i feel that my mother raised me to write a thank-you notes. [laughter] and i thought this is so nice so there is this awkwardness that i feel. i wonder another publicist said it is a really nice thing to do so i don't know where we are. >> let's start with three backup because she has had

so many wonderful reviews. >> i have been in that same quandary was one particular review. [laughter] i have not written a thank-you note but i was thinking about this today i am planning to and parts as a reviewer i have gotten thank-you notes and i think the key is to say that authors and reviewer's there is a boundary that they stay separate but after they have reviewed the book is a way to do it to say i totally understand it is fine not to reply i just need you to know that it was usually important and say if you're not comfortable replying that is fine if you don't respond i have gotten e mills like that in the past and it does mean something to hear that.

and i am sure maybe others a different opinions but i have often not to reply because i do feel that i should not but i appreciate it hearing it did i have heard that from other people >> guess my own personal opinion is that thank you notes are both appropriate and very welcome to i have no problem. >> technically they do not require any response the about. >> as a reviewer you write into a void you know, the review is good but it is really good if not many changes are made than one month later gets a writer from another editor for another assignment so when i get notes from authors side chairs and because it is wonderful to get the

letters. >> you also milan 20 wind in their face of it is babcock. >> i like to think i am particularly good at being gently critical and several times i would say five or seven times i have written a review and said something critical and have gotten a response from the author that said thank you for pointing that out in such a way and i learned something from that and that was amazing. that felt fantastic. even defied technically should not have gotten that. >> you should not think the book reviewer. there should not be any contact it contaminates your relationship if you get eight negative three veer you should make a public death threat. [laughter] because we want to do is so contaminates the public atmosphere he can never review you again. [laughter] but if they love your booked

stay in complete silence and tears that. >> having your publicist think of the reviewer is absolutely the best. >> if you're on twitter posting a review of your book and is saying something positive about the review i don't know that crosses the line i have not thought about that but they will not disseminate linking to the person who is online somewhere there is one way to would knowledge something >> but i wanted to get on to the next question. i know we have one. she is gone. >> wait for the microphone.

>> can you give us a few on-line book review sites that you consider to be vented, reliable cure rated a think was the word? "the washington post" book world is one that is the first go to. mine is cure rated but let's all share one or two that we don't take up too much time but especially with rebecca because you have nonfiction? the paper cut blog. >> i have very specific blog who does book reviews my stuff is what those people probably would not be interested in but i read the sites for the outlets.

>> i am sorry jacket copy at the "l.a. times." the guardian has a wonderful sight. >> there are lot of individuals to publish something online that is a blog that has reviews and also winks two other reviews so it functions as a digest. there is one that is all over the place the night and a breeding something from the guardian or the independent is widely. she has built a career from the blog were she now gets assignment's regularly to review for traditional newspaper sections and it goes the other way sometimes >> "daily beast" has a lot of nice reviews and a most of the major newspapers have on-line only reviews so there definitely worth checking out. >> this is difficult

the -- between commerce and commerce with barnes & noble a separate church and state and do not supposedly get any directives from the salespeople about what to review and they have got some regular features including the criminal today's column on the criminal mind and powell's has the original coverage on their's at site. >> as reviewers i am curious what in your opinion makes a book a good book first is a great book verses so-so is there a common element that you look for no matter the shaun russ correct. >> [laughter] i want to be moved, a surprise coming

entertained, expressed in language that is fresh, a beautiful, that is a tough question. >> i want a book that tells me a good story since i read repute fiction i want a good story. hopefully with elegant language but in particular i want to feel an emotional connection with the story and we told something i have not heard 100 times before. >> ron and said it. to be moved and entertained are too great experience is to have when you read a book. >> it is then there are so many that we can recommend by each of us but looking at our sites it will give you a little bit of an idea and their lives one quick thing. from a questions. >> you have another 10 minutes i know i am just a the post but i think i can speak for most reviewers that people think we are

jaded and sometimes irritated by reading too much slop but i am always wanting to be thorough and ready to fall in love with a book for crime might have read five crack the books in a row but when i get to one that takes me away for example, i am thinking of the crimson pedal blew me away because it transferred hoarded me and i am so ready to fall in love with a book each time. >> that is so true we talked earlier about why we keep doing this. i just talked with sara nelson at the editor of all magazine from a book called i thought you were dead. it has some language and blurbs that makes you think it is that the it is not.

it is moved and enchanted and by did not like the cover i thought it was a dog book i read it and i had a bad experience and it blew all of my journalistic cover on that. but it does happen but the thing i wanted to mention is that david o. stewart is back here with us and he is a nonfiction author been a guest on "the book studio" and a member of aiw in their starting the on line review site and i just wanted to mention that. to have anything for that? >> not yet. we are fund-raising if i can take this opportunity? >> yes. police. take the microphone. >>