organization especially not the magazine there is a constant pressure to turn it out. investigative units are costly and time-consuming. and the traditional models will probably go away or decline significantly. however i am not quite as downbeat because they're all of these other new models that are starting with the web at. there was a guy that was reading about that has a notion he is exploring now within local markets he publicizes an area of inquiry and investigation and solicits donations from interested citizens. it is like a little microfinance thing way on a local level to finance an

investigation it is not traditional but if it works it is fantastic. i am a little more optimistic. >> out ask our panel listed they have been a concluding remarks they want to share with the audience as we wrap it up? i will go in reverse order and start with john if there's anything you want to say in closing? am i thank you for your time this is such an important aspect of democracy to make sure the government and business leaders are held accountable and the secrets can be brought to light when needed. just the fact we're having this conversation helps a lot to educate the public there's a lot of important journalism to be done and i hope these member of the public and people here today can help us engage in that and we do some good.

>> i will add for any whistle-blower who were wis -- listening i hope they're not discouraged by some of the negatives that we pointed out today we have all agreed it is an incredibly important function and some of the best tories any of us have worked on. >> i would just say that in many ways this kind of journalism is a blending of self-interest and public interest the news organizations need to make a profit but i know a broadcast like "60 minutes" and my colleagues do we really want to to do the right thing? we are motivated to act in the public interest and sometimes those corporate

and journalistic ideals clash but by and large it sheiks out well in the end and it is like health care legislation. the process can be ugly with the sausage making but at the end of the day all are served personally and professionally and whenever it is that drives the whistle-blower and what is best for the country in light of that i invite all of us. [laughter] be the path of "60 minutes" day-care. [laughter] >> i would like to add a message to the attorneys that will be representing what whistle-blowers and whistle-blowers which is you have heard someone from the journalists today about what they are looking for or what they are wary of in terms of

you trying to get a message out that can effectuate change and not lose the opportunity to make positive change because of difficulties of communication i think one important thing for a journalist and lawyers to be very aware of as somebody who has worked with them over to 85 years say whistle-blower is usually to people the person and they were before they blew the whistle which is often and courageous, honest, courageo us superb employee that works the way up and is loyal. just you want on your team than the person you will see on a park bench or climbing delayed at night frustrating, depressed, upset because what they had believed and and often the value structure was turned

topsy-turvy but i will say i have been able to see it i don't know the whistle-blowers before they blew the whistle i can only read it in their performance reviews are letters of commendation they come to be when they are in crisis but i am able to see them after and often they come back to the people they were. it is amazing when you see them again as that loyal, dedicated and incredibly effective employee activist or professional sometimes as an attorney who would have a long-term relationship with the whistle-blower we get to see it. i hope that the crises that the whistleblower is in when they turn to the journalist will not become an impediment to be

misunderstood then is used to four word the public interest. with that i would like to thank everyone for coming. thank you very much on behalf of the national whistle-blower center there will be more information posted at our website which is whistle-blowers did work. thank you very much. [applause] and could we have a second round of applause for our incredible panelists. [applause]

[applause] >> thank you john, katherine, and andrew for that very warm welcome. my good friend, ambassador, good to see you here i hope you correct me if i go straight. i am delighted to be with so many friends here and as you all know so well, i come from a coulter spent 10 with the speeches, and love with

the oral method of communication in. so much so after delivering a long speech, i would sit next to my wife and like all men who are vain and insecure i've looked at my wife. [laughter] feeling confident i would say to her, what did you think? she would give me a look that only a wife can give and would say to me, you missed three opportunities to sit down. [laughter] i say this because yesterday i was sitting with my colleagues in the embassy and i was monitoring what i would say today. i came to the conclusion that really there is nothing to say beyond that which could be now said by

repetition that is an interest to an audience. and had not the circumstances of the president the string of a crisis that strangers from the mediterranean coming to unwind it may not so complex and challenging the words almost become meaningless in where we have little choice but to submit with the recognition that our collective will has brought us are not brought us to a defining point*. now of course, we should take stock of all of the recent positive developments that occur in the middle east when i met a group of friends that were journalist and naturally with the

successful formation of the lebanese government is something to be applauded. the conduct a couple of weeks ago something that we must take pride and with the middle east the challenge to put together a government is huge the difficult but nevertheless too just how difficult it was two hold the election and all of the work was done by the iraqis themselves from the security to the point* of organizing them of course, this is something we need to very much appreciate. there are signs of course, the relationship between the united states and syria are improving but

moving in the right direction and of course, with the arab summit that concluded in libya at a few days ago it was there not notwithstanding all of the pressure based on the arab peace initiative brought on by the fact that israel has yet to embrace it the arab commitment to the initiative has remained steadfast but do we not also recognize that arabs and israelis alike? this is to be considered at the level of government. present a rather sorry picture of ourselves in terms of how we have responded to this conflict. when one considers the report issued a couple of weeks ago from a strategic

foresight groups a think tank about the lost earnings for this region since 1991 as a results of the arab-israeli conflict the fact the estimate was up at $12 trillion lost in earnings after the potential wealth of the recent -- region from the weapons and the programs you their associated with the conflict or as a result of investment program so then is a not the case we can argue we are a burden and to ourselves and the rest of the planet? are read not also a constant threat to to the planet given the centrifuge of voices that can quickly be whipped into some momentum where something to happen in

jerusalem? but in addition to being a burden also a threat to the international community but finally i want to make the argument that also we are a non player when it comes to the larger discussions occupying the international community. i stand to be corrected i cannot think of one major initiative over the last 60 years divorced from the middle east hud has nothing to do with anything connected to the middle east that the arabs were the israelis presented in the form of a solution or an attempt to answer questions whether it revolves around policy or sustainable development. issues of a broader global nature. so is it not the case that

we are a non player? if you look at all three of these dimensions, one can argue we are a sorry bunch have perhaps we would clearly deserve a big f from that perspective. and then of course, there is the other question of which we are truly deserving of a piece in particular when one considers the number of opportunities we have lost either by design or through circumstance since 1967. when one considers large segments of one population is ready for the colossal crime, one on the other side

there exists a large group of people that cannot grasp the effect of an occupation and the degradation of another people. in deiter recent deserving of peace when the denial there of can so easily be traded in the rhetorical exchanges? ariza deserving of peace could be so easily upstaged with the year and insecurity are pre-deserving of peace when we can so easily seize ground to extremism and taken from bad and we may not be so deserv