one of the marvelous things happening now with iraq and afghanistan that the system now is so well recorded and computerized and follow they are getting much better information today on what they did and the results than what we could back then. i hope you read this poem quietly to yourselves is a reflection of our experience that graves registration. this is another story that never gets told. i am telling it because i think it has to be. after an experience with lopez and there were others, not to frequent but similar, somewhere in the upper commands came the order that whenever a i a kumbaya chapter and go to grave that kentucky a syli cough the other side.

there was a sanctimonious place. it is considered a duty of honor to range the bodies carefully to identify them and drag them and so forth but the order came down we had to go over and pronounced them dead. they were concerned of some of these experiences so we went in turn to do this. to this day i remember going over and looking at this assortment of bodies and body parts and i tell you the us not to depress share but these are the parts that nobody talks about that people need to know it is very, very unusual for a surgeon nor any physician who is used to dealing with living people and dedicated his life to keeping people alive to walk into a fairly large room and see a torso without ahead your legs with

no torso and half of a torso very, very start and a disturbing scenes. all of which tell a story of four that does not frequently told. my purpose is not to revolt you but to let you know, that from the surgical medical point* of view as opposed to a pier combat point* of view there is the aside and the purposes of the book is to let you know, that these things happen and this is what we see in this is what can happen in war. >> abizaid dark picture. we grew up after the war they gave us white suits. [laughter] >> i will finish their.

i want to tell you that with all this experience today the admirable and others can tell you far better than i can. the data base is so much more sophisticated that in the sixties it was not. but some marvelous things came out of the war in terms of changes with medical treatment. let me mention a few to you. so you have some idea of these things resulted in pretty good things. of the renown totally familiar with the trumps centers. in every major city has five of them. in 1960 there were no trauma centers nobody heard of them. every hospital have their own staff of surgeons and you took care of it. as a result of the work in

vietnam with casualties it became very clear that specialized concentrated efforts produced better results. so in the mid-70s the concept of the trauma center was born now there are thousands over the country and the overall but that is what comes out of four. one famous boston surgeon named churchill not been fitted to winston the only victor in war is the surgeon and there's the element of truth. the other thing that can mugabe and tom was the basket there registry prepare you can imagine with the injuries that we saw, there were a number of blood vessel injuries employees and had the break carry a your debt and for milan arteries ballooned apart by shrapnel and the surgery of those vessels in the '60s was just beginning

as a result of the experience of vietnam and army colonel began a registry of vascular injuries that was the basis of treatment so there is a good side is that we learn lessons from these casual casual-- to offer to the civilian population. if they start blinking the whites i guess that means it is time to go. i have been holding this until the very end he will be extremely mad at me but i have to tell you about eddie feldman. fast eddie, lt. eddie feldman my lifelong dear betty from a vietnam not just that he stood by my side in case i'm as did show

and don but totally separate incident on his own he removes a life motor show from a marines liver but he it receives the silver star and is a nominee for the medal of honor tonight and we all strive mightily to say that as a reality before we die. just so you know, at of all of these little stories occasionally pops out a super human being whose credentials are beyond our comprehension and use its 10 hour missed tonight. i must do. thank you. [applause] i love you. >> they do very, very much for a wonderful presentation. what we want to do now is have the ku and a. we can have six or eight

questions if we can have a hand. >> i enjoy your representation very, very much. the information given back. [inaudible] one of the things that the medics for right now is to open the left chest and put the hand that works

extremely well because like you say, thank you. i sound better now? [laughter] of it is very difficult to kill the 18 year-old kid and i enjoy very much. thank you for your presentation. by the way i salute you. [applause] other questions? for all of us to

solve -- served in a golf course we do appreciate your service and the experience is that you gained two supports all of us. i was in iraq with the navy. i am curious when do top of the evolution of military medicine and what you gained through experience have you noticed new inroads that have been made in recent events such as the call for? >> i am not sure i am qualified to comment on the latest quarter's. but to me when i can comment on is what i have performed myself. one thing that is coming at of the golf course and iraq and afghanistan is once again further advancements in the treatment of shock. in this case patience setters so badly wounded they have put out.

there is a long ongoing controversy whether to give people whole blood, red blood cells, a plows month, it is not resolved completely but some much of the data from those three centaurs have advanced about toll science. but otherwise i am not much of the party. >> you said you had everything that you needed doing triage what do cents now the defense where only two casualties today in terms of the time element they get there faster but immediately addressed from whatever part of the teemu need where in times taka about helicopters bring them in nader 10 or 20 at a time

time, what is the fact of that? of this really great percentages from today? >> a question we have been asked many times and i fear sometimes mia credibility is the stake because again the team can tell you that sometimes the casualties will come in two or three or four or five but there were times in a major italian sweep you could suddenly have 24. we always used the same triage system and i do not recall and i would be happy to have the other guys comment, never a time in that will year including caison where we said put this guy in the corner we cannot get to him. never. i say that and given the volume of the casualties in the diversities people say

that sounds nice but we just don't believe you but we can say with all honesty lining them up to the severity of injuries and we took care of them and there was not a time when any of us said this is overwhelming we cannot get to this guy. it did not happen for us. >> can make a comment? >> we have to pass the microphone around to a question. we have c-span here tonight. we have to do it right. [laughter] >> don't you think that the problem, you were can do do what you have to do. but now somebody holds your

hand. do love your mother? [laughter] the theme of of vietnam and everybody was there. >> that is correct. yes. >> thank you dr.. that was not a question? [laughter] >> >> i'm sorry i had eighth been killed in 1971 and he won a silver "star trek" would have stayed with me and it was a head injury. the two came up on the north division vietnamese

headquarters. or he had a brain injury and died the next day and what was the treatment. >> four head injuries? >> did he suffer? >> i doubt that we had an interesting situation in i-corps again this is dictated by the circumstances with heavy combat action three rapidly. we do not have a it on the ground and ophthalmologist or neurosurgeon favor optima hospitals progress we have a head injury or a serious eye injury they were immediately chopper out. the one problem we all have we have so little follow-up. we would stabilize them and transport them and not find out much afterwards.

joe? >> [inaudible] >> that is true. >> we have time for one more question. >> >> i have a question when you first began talking about the drug's one of the myth having growing up in the '80s was agent orange but can you comment said all on the situation if you have much interaction hour experience with that vs. what you may think about that today? >> first, i can tell you while we were there i personally had no experience with it at all i did not know it existed toward never heard the term at that time. so within that timeframe we were totally unaware.

the only other thing with follow up with part of my right -- research, there is an analysis of agent orange used i don't want to get into the political situation in the basically shows if you take the total amount used the dilution factor and ground cover what hit the a ground was so infinitesimal it could not have hurt anybody at all. i am not an authority that is just my reading. >> >> i have been email here from a very good friend from a casualty at quezon. he could not come this evening so i will read it and it is very brief.

>> i know you understand i had to move up my birthday celebration to this weekend on the emergency basis to share with my old hospital make. as a company commander we promise to celebrate together prevent this is the 42nd birthday as we both have a second chance at life since 1968. he was just diagnosed with kidney cancer and has to be operated on and immediately after returning from a special occasion. i pray this is not our last occasion in 55 days when 168 down under 35 he was hit and i was that i was so looking forward to giving you a standing ovation that you deserve.

his comment but it would be mind, thank you again for being the right man. at the right time. you have a balanced necessary to steer that group through the storm of their lifetime. best regards. >> thank you. [applause] >> patrick o'donnell has a new book they dared return.

livers question new is frederick mayer? the man he is right here and probably the greatest living americans buy from world war ii and part of a german refugee that stared return and my back behind the lines into nazi germany and disguise as a german officer and got tens of thousands of german soldiers to surrender to hitler's bunker as hot as destroyer 26 trains with the air strike. >> host: what time point* did this take place? >> 9845. it is one of the great untold stories of rubber to property was put in for the medal of honor and nothing has ever happened to it and it is cn told question that we are trying to find out. >> host: how do you get involved? it is underreported how did

you find out? >> six years ago researching a book called operatives spies and saboteurs and interviewed 300 better than fred was one of the first veterans i ever interviewed and from there i became close friends with this man and i got involved in his story which is one of the great untold stories. >> host: you led the operation can you tell us about that? >> we were parachuted into austria and we did what we had to do from then on. >> host: what did that entail? >> guest: first. the original job was to find out how the germans got the weapons back to it and the end it turns out our photograph showed it that the bridges were all

destroyed but closing into the tunnels so our area was no and void. >> host: from the title of your book they started in europe bang came to the united states and went back. >> beemer all german refugees barely escaping nazi germany and american citizens and did the unbelievable which is to parachute back into the nazi lines and spread was a german officer and impersonating a german officer and gathered actionable intelligence of literally changed the course of the war. >> host: you must of had moments you feared for your life was there a particular story?

>> at the age of 21 you know, no fear. [laughter] >> that is the understatement of the year he is very self-effacing but he was captured by the gestapo and literary waterboarded and tortured for three days and is survived and did not break them bitterly turned the tables on his captors and got tens of thousands of german soldiers to surrender >> host: that author is patrick o'donnell and i title is they dared returned and joined with the subject of his book, fred meyer.

>> host: weir at cpac talking about the new book rules for conservative radicals. what are the rules? >> hello to everybody on c-span audience. there was able to book written in 1972 called the rules for radicals it was good with tactics see a 13 and 11 ethical rules or use some of the tactics by reject the ethical rules in its entirety but basically it was the end justifies the means we think we ought to follow the example of martin luther king. but i have updated a lot of these rules that will be used in starting fed teapartiers movement. the very first is it is

better to be 85 percent right and click the add 100% right and slow. i had 16 rules and reused nine. but the general idea that rolls for collaborative consensus development of action projects and self organizing groups. that is what we try to do. >> host: you mark february 27 does the first day of the tea party movement because? >> in 2009 our nationwide t party coalition sponsored and organized 51 teapartiers across the country so that was quite a lot with 30,000 people and did it within one day and one bree coverage santo they and the day after that of every 28 eric put together this tax day website weekend doing well weaver doing with twitter

and facebook and conference calls. the rules outlines the techniques to start the teapartiers movement. >> host: are they also supposed to be used to win elections? >> sure. ultimately it is about electoral success and organizing for projects and the concept that we use as servant leadership everybody is a free agent we ask everybody to take the load and start working. >> host: of what is the next up of the movement? >> guest: that is a great question. the primaries. the ada is to follow the core values with a limited government has authorized by the constitution and the support candidates in primaries who will support so there are a few number of democrats and independent

especially virginia beach virginia and connecticut. >> is there anything else you consulted? >> that is a great question. i think democracy and america, was one of the great books of all time and some of the collor part to as part of the movement. that was probably the other book that was most influential 2/7 thank you for your time. >> guest: it is a great political service and one of the great innovations of broadcast history. >> host: we will now speak with jonathan. how was it going with the new book? what is about? >> philosophical principles of modern conservatism in modern america. >> guest: what does that mean to you? >> and the book i discuss

how there are some many different types of abuse neo conservative, of fiscal conservatism all of these differing groups but four things that unite them all except -- respect for a constitution, at limit government and for some responsibility. >> host: how will you? and tell us how you got started? >> i got involved in politics at nine years old because of the judicial filibuster on the newman -- nominees of a guy interested voter these nominees? i wanted to form my own opinions by parents and we don't care where you are just know what you believe and why and understand. i began to learn about different issues and form my own opinions and realize my

a values are more aligned with conservatism. >> host: what type of our involvement did you get to. >> was named to the radio and i look forward to my new book. getting to understand what i believe and why i believe it. >> host: are you involved in the canny campaigns right now? >> no. blade to have my campaign button franklin roosevelt for express' of them. >> host: thank you very much for your time.