successfully investigated by "the washington post" was because of a courageous owner, who saw her duty and also had some very good people working on the story who were able to begin to unravel it. and, for my money, it will always depend on the commitment of the ownership and what barbara said about a commitment to watchdog journalism, that is what is going to distinguish journalism in the future. i think that's very, very hopeful. susan. >> i just w there are now six state capitols have no reporters covering them. well, yes there is lots of innovation going on and we're not talking about everybody, every newspaper in the country dying tomorrow, there is a significant loss of journalistic capacity. i do think that that's, that's what we're really talking about here. we're not talking that particular entities. we're talking about the

journalistic capacity. in particular with respect to public affairs journalism. that combined with the local nature is really where the most concern is an economic theory would suggest there should be the most concern. >> to highlight that point, there had been a $1.6 billion contraction in newspaper spent on editorial. then they went around to foundations and said how much money do foundations put into journalistic start ups? it is a tremendous innovation. they came up with about $150 million. >> so $1.6 billion contraction, $150 million to put in to counteract it. that's the loser gap. >> yes, last question. >> i'm gigi from public knowledge.

this is picking up on the last conversation. when i hear discussions about how expensive it is to print and mail newspaper and the failures of classifyies or horoscopes, sounds like you are talking about business models and not talking about journalism. we're really talking about saving the newspaper business model. barbara, i think mailing newspaper to people, you shouldn't even be thinking about that. >> we're not mailing newspaper. >> that's what the discussion is about -- >> let me just finish. >> go ahead. >> you keep interpreting. we're not mailing newspaper, we're mailing advertising. we don't mail newspaper. maybe some theories in small communities. we do that because people want it. there's still many, many people who want that newspaper there. yes, we are looking for a business model. we're looking at ways to tweak our business model to save money in ways that doesn't inhibit the journalism. i mean, for example, it's been widely reported that our

newspaper in detroit, the detroit newspaper, actually the two newspapers there, we reduced home delivery to three days a week. now we're still printing newspapers 7 days a week. but the delivery cost being so high, we're just delivering three days a week. and it's been a tremendous success. so there are ways that we can look at saving journalism and saving our business and the two are mutually exclusive. >> i want to finish my thought. my concern, and i've said this to steve personally, my concern is a lot of the discussion is about preserving business models. you've told me folks have talking about how do we save our copyright, how do we make sure google doesn't link to us. if we're really talking about saving journalism, let's talk about that. let's not talk about preserving business models. because businessodels have to change when you have disruptive

technologies. >> i have to say i didn't hear anyone say they didn't think business models should change. i think there's a real connection here. anybody elsewhere to respond to that? >> i just think that you can't talk about how to maintain journalism without talking about the business model for how you maintain journalism. okay? see that's why people are talking about business models. they are not talking about in the sense that we need to save every single newspaper that's out there. at the moment, however, newspaper, and i believe this was in the latest state of the media report, unless it's changed and it -- but it's currently the case that newspaper get 90% of their revenues from their print versions. you know? and so although, yes, they are facing competition from now online news organization t don't have those fixed cost, they are not at liberty at this

point to just say, oh, well, we're all going to go online. that's not going to work. and so there is a business transition going on. and the whole question is how do you save journalism? that's where you are going to get the money to save journalism. so that's why we're talking about all of these different sources which are a potential new business modeling with low ering cost, how else to get revenue from foundations. as part of it, are there government policies that could change that would help us, you know, the funding for journalism broadly conceived against -- across all platforms. >> steve? >> there are -- you know, another way of looking at this, there's no shortage of demand for news now. there's traffic for news online is booming. so the problem is not that

people have decided, oh, american journalism is uninteresting or unreliable or something. the problem is the business model collapse. that's what's caused the collapse of journalism. and, you know, one thing is there was a couple of people used the term market a failure before. i realize it's a term that has a specific economic meaning. but i -- it kind of rubs me the whereon way from a parochial sense. a lot of what's actually happening is rampant market success that's caused this problem. it's -- you know, part of why ad rates have gone down, advertisers no longer have to waste half of their ad budgets on things if they don't know why it works. part of the unbundling, people don't have to pay for stuff they weren't interesting. pay for just what they are interested in. advertisers can go to what they are associated with. a lot of times, it's 100 very,

very positive things all adding up to create this one very serious problem with accountability journalism. >> i'm one the people who used the term market failure. i want to explain, market failure in this sense means of problem that the free market on its own may not solve. and in particular, there's a focus on public affairs, news, because there are -- there's a possibility of free writing for news that relates to how to voters and what they want in terms of civil news. if i'm a voters can be rationally ignorant how i can vote. i can say the chance my vote is going to make is difference is small. i'm not going to invest my time and energy in finding out all about, you know, who i should vote for and all of that kind of stuff. i'm going to free ride on the

guys down the street who i know follow this stuff pretty closely, and i generally agree with them on things. i'm not going to pay money. i'm not going to demand news about that. and that is an issue that have been studied and it is a potential source of insufficient cons demand for public affairs reporting. the basic concept of this type of market failure is there's free riding. so you don't get sufficient consumers demand. the other part is we are all delighted with the vast quantity of news that is available for free on the internet. unfortunately, free doesn't pay for a journalist salary. that's another part of the problem. >> okay. we're going to have to call an end to it here and continue this in the coffee break. please join me in thanking our

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> the white house eager egg roll dates back to 1878 in the presidency of rutherford b. hayes. live later this afternoon, a discussion on conservatism and what free market systems must do to survive in today's global economy. from the american enterprise institute, live coverage at 5:30 eastern on c-span. >> if you have a process where it takes years to get an answer, and you're bogged down in the courts, which is what is threatening our industry right now, that's not a good answer for anybody. and it certainly doesn't make

the agency executive. >> verizon executive vice president for policy and former senator, tom tauke, tonight on the communicators on c-span2 . next an event with defense department undersecretary for logistics, ashton carter. this is part of a conference looking at pentagon efforts to operate more efficiently using new technology. from the center for strategic and international studies, this is just over 50 minutes. >> i'm delighted to have y'all here. this is such an important topics. i used to quite regularly go out at the training center at fort ere ere ere -- irwin. it was almost invariably because

of terrible traditions. it's such an important part of the world. we don't pay the public policy attention that we should. i've had a conversation with ash about this. we were -- i guess i was probably teasing him about the endless tanker acquisition process, he said i'll come over. but nothing about tanker. i said what about logistics? he said i'd like. i'd like to have a chance to talk about that. ash, thank you for agreeing. we go back a while. my first experience with ash is when he was at p and ae i don't know what it is now, c.a.t. or c.a.p.e. or whatever it is. ash was there. he was interviewing me. he decided i wasn't qualified to be working for him. and he was right. because he need far more

technical confidence that i had. he has brought that technical expertise to every one of his positions. i think he's doing a fabulous job. ash, we're delighted you are here. it is an unusual thing to be having a conference with this sort of turn out. i think it's a testament to you and the topic to have this turn out. thank you, ash. come and give your presentation. [applause] >> thank you, john. and csi circumstances for being me. my -- i've learned so much from john hamre, every day i look around the department of defense and there's one of his managerial accomplishments and creations in front of me. one the best, most skilled stewards and ceo the department has had ever. i see jack, a predecessor of mine who adding l to at & l.

among many other things. jack, i have to tell you my children are dismayed at the length of the title. they say say -- you know, their father is undersecretary of defense. it sounds very beneath. underneath, underwear, undersecretary. and then it's acquisition technology and logistics. way too long and obscure for an 18 years old and 21 years old to explain. they say why can't you be cia director? [laughter] >> dave bertoe also a great leader. i'm very grateful to have the opportunity. it is a pleasure and welcome relief to talk about something other than the tanker competition or the joint strike fighter or any of the other acquisition programs. and it's particularly welcome to me.

because what i want to talk about today is something that's very dear to my heart. which is the roll of acquisition technology and logistics and supporting the current wars. the current fights that we're in. so when john gave me the opportunity to speak about that subject, i leapt at the opportunity. last january 5th, it was, the secretary gates, offered me this job. one the things he said to me at this time, he had said publicly in times, which are ash, the troops are at war, and the pentagon is not. especially at & l. and i look that on board. i've tried to make it a priority of at & l to support the wars. i'd like to share with you the ways in which we are trying to do that. first, rapid and responsive acquisitions support to the war fighter.

secondly, management of contractors on the battlefield, contingency contracting. third, the special case of countering improvise ed explosive devices, ied. forth and what most i have to say and the topic for today, which is logistics. let me say something about rapid acquisition and con contingency contracting, and ieds. i'll start with the article about year and a half and jack had posed the question before that in an important science board said. what is it necessary to bypass existing institutions and procedures to get the capability needed to protect u.s. troops and fight ongoing wars. what is the necessary to bypass the existing institutions?

i experience this every day. and we are -- if you get back to dave and his alligators, busy fighting the alligators, but also trying to drain the swamp at the same time and fix this problem in a more structural way. let me describe the catch 22s that one comes to as an department in trying to respond rapidly to urgent needs from the theater. now the first is catch 22 to get over is: how do you know what the requirement is? how many uav caps do we need? how much persistent survey -- surveillance do we need? how many mraps? for many cases in an ongoing conflict and a piece of equipment that we're just beginning to learn how to