this complex world ought to be charged with doing and how we are, in fact, born to measure the success. because what the policy maker is looking more of the intelligence community is accurate, timely coming usable, and often even action a bone in the sense of being able to immediately convert knowledge to action. information. most policy makers don't look for intelligence. they need information, they need to understand what's going on and rely on the judgments of the people wearing in the community to provide that in the nation to them. and why? they have a hard job to do and the most important policy maker, of course, is the president feared he has a myriad of obligations. printouts in touch on some of them this morning and as one of

blacks on the range of responsibilities he has won can i think begin to appreciate he would like to have a variety of instruments and tools by which to accomplish the myriad of tasks but by extension the president closed down his authority is two his cabinet on purser's and execute much of what the nation's policy on his behalf. so as a group led me call on the national security council a lack of a better term, not staff, but this time to time members. what are they looking for? ..

>> minimizing risk and maximizing opportunities for success. where are the risks that we face? i'll never forget the long conversations we had with george and john and others in the community with respect to operations in afghanistan and subsequently in iraq and how did those risks get minimized? is how do we deal with the problems of north korea? that was a constant conversation that took place between the intelligence community and it representatives and the policymakers who were wrapped up in decision making. but those two things, anticipating and then minimizing and maximizing risk and

opportunity, we're alsoing looking for information that will permit the laying down of a foundation and stable outcome to whatever set of issues or problems or crises we may face and that the outcomes favorable to our interests -- whatever they may be in the event, but, of course, we're always looking for that help and support. there's been a great deal of criticism over the years, nearly unending, and as i say, i did not grow up in the community, but some of the literature one reads is beyond belief at the unmitigated failure, the entire lack of success of the intelligence community which is, to me, astonishing. again, having had the privilege of being associated with them for only a brief period of time, i can assure everyone that most of that purported history is not true. it is studded with successes that, unfortunately, are not the

community please place to tell -- community's place to tell, but for those of us to testify to. as i look over the period of time when i was dealing with them and what i hear from my friends that are still working today, there's no question whatever that at the operational level the community is far better than ever they were. that's not surprising. they've had a lot of opportunity to improve their performance, excel, train, learn. but these guys are good. they have learned to take information and turn it into action in ways that were never anticipated in the past and will undoubtedly continue to evolve in the future. at the analytic level creating knowledge out of intelligence, and i want to make that distinction because what is intelligence, after all, but by definition a mix of, what? true facts, misleading facts, false facts and no facts, right? i mean, and maybe more if we

could think of some more descriptions. from all of that they are expected to provide to a policymaker information on which that policymaker is expected to make decisions. and on which he relies. and by all accounts, again, despite recent stories to the contrary it seems to me that there has been remarkable improvement. and that has to be, in turn, laid at the feet of the reform effort in no small measure. it, it can't be otherwise. that success is not despite the reform effort, but i think as a consequence in good measure of it. but what about, then, the role for the od and i going forward and for the dni himself, and, admiral blair, we were given this assignment so accept it in the spirit it's offered. i agree with the other panelists, and i think i understand the implications of

being the principle intelligence adviser to the president. and what i would argue is that the management responsibilities that then have been conferred on the dni are for the purposes of fulfilling that assignment. that the management responsibilities in and of themselves have little value unless they are designed, unless that management is done for the purposes of making the dni the best adviser to the president and then again, of course, by extension to the other members of the nsc, to the congress and all of the other operators in the world from combatant commanders down to the fbi agents. as it was pointed out this morning, and i'll remind again the dni was not given operational responsibilities. and one can argue whether he should have been given those responsibilities or not.

if he had been, we would now be debating whether the dni wasn't the dci just made larger and did we really make any progress. inevitably, that would have been the question. but there are other issues that need to be thought about when one thinks about whether or not the dni should have operational responsibilities, and let's take up the point that fran townsend made and others have made about the spokesman. and the true dilemma, i believe, for the intelligence officer when faced with a question by the president of the united states. the president of the united states, whoever he is or she may be someday, has an agenda. he was elected for that purpose. he has a policy. he is looking for information, as i suggested earlier, that will help him to execute that policy. i can't imagine a more difficult position to be in than to be

asked a question wherein the officer has both to balance the interests of the president and what he knows to be or knows not to be the facts of the case. that's very hard. the advantage of having a dni, in my view, is it does allow for some separation between what the dni can represent to the policymaker, the president and all of his other cabinet officers, as being the judgment of the community, the information that it can supply. and he can be that buffer. and he can make certain that there isn't any concerns that then seep out about the politicization of intelligence. put another way, i think he is a true buffer against that concern. and that is not nothing in, in the world in which we live. second, i think he has the advantage of being able to work the domestic intelligence agenda

with greater facility than any other intelligence officer or policymaker for that matter. save for the directer of the fbi and the ag. and, again, that's not nothing. and something that is absolutely essential and as was pointed earlier has really not been fully aired, i mean, on 9/11 it was not, with all due respect, whether the nsa was part of the dod or was an independent agency, it's that we didn't get domestic and foreign intelligence properly integrated. which brings me, then, to a close here. it seems to me it's a banal statement that the fbi has two is fses. one is that the president has received that which he thinks he needs and what he wants to have, and those are not the same

things. the president may want something but sometimes he needs something else, so that's the dni's role is to make sure he has both. to conduct his business every day, as i suggested earlier. but second it is to anticipate those future needs. we had conversations this morning about mission managers, where are we going with some of the collection capabilities? the dni has -- if i can use that phrase the luxury -- of standing back from day-to-day execution, again, another reason for not giving him operational responsibility. the community to think about where events are going, what discontinuities might there be? what does it mean to minimize risk and maximize opportunity? how do we put into training the kind of changes that will take, trust me, a generation to make their way through? you know, i spent a good deal of time in the pentagon, no one joins the joint chiefs, no one

joins the joint staff. one joins the army, the navy, the air force and the marine corps. all right? and the ethos that each of those instills is what each of those men and women bring to their jobs in the joint staff or in a combatant command which is, by definition, joint but, by god, they are sailors, airmen, marines, coast guard and the like. so it takes a while for that to work its way through, and he has, the dni does, the opportunity to bring that kind of change over time into place. now, you know, whether we make it an orchestra directer or a cabinet secretary, we can debate about which is the proper role and function. but i would leave you with this thought. as the principle intelligence adviser, there are advantages -- significant advantages -- to the

dni not having an operational role, first. and second that in choosing what he decides to manage in the most direct way because, again, it's a very large community, it's very complicated, it cannot be managed by any number of people who could imagine bringing into the dni staff. it's not possible. i was told by one former secretary of defense thinking about the department of defense, there's three million people in it. he told me at any given point in time, someone is out there breaking the law. so what are you going to do about that? you have to figure out how you deal with it. so i think in thinking about this going forward we've got to be clear about where we want him to place his time and attention and effort, and what is the benefit that he brings to the president and to the members of the national security council and the congress? thanks. >> thank you, steve. i had two questions, i'm going to combine them. voluntarily take them on or not take them on because i want to

leave time for questions from the floor. the first question has to do with the dni relationship. for those of us in the intelligence community for most of the period since 1947, if you were at cia the conception was dod and the since that every battle we got involved in no matter how powerful a dci was, you would lose the battle with dod. but the fact was the secretary of defense while he controlled most of the assets of the intelligence community really didn't have five minutes in a week, really, to concentrate on budgetary issues with regard to intelligence. so the dci did have considerable authorities. with the creation of the usdi position in 2002, the secretary of defense had a 24/7 set of eyes on intelligence priorities. so the question is how has -- certainly, i would have to conclude that the very

significant success of an intelligence down range, the incredible capabilities we have now on isr and not just the technical capabilities, but the collaboration we've seen in afghanistan and iraq has something to do with leadership of those two organizations. so i'd like any comment and want to make particularly about this relationship going forward. the other question that i would have is i would assert that the intelligence community is subject to technological surprise today and in the future more than anytime in its history. and we have, and this doesn't mean emerging technologies, but it means disruptive technologies, that is essentially where the ied came from to surprise us. the qdr which was just published last february mentions this with concern, that we now have a world where r&d is now distributed all, globally as opposed to when it was controlled very much within the

united states for most of the history of the intelligence community. so the question to go become to the last panel would be are we prepared with regard to the technological surprise? so first question is with regard to the usdci and the second is on technological surprise, are we prepared? and you may pass on these questions and defer the floor, or you may take them on. you have to take at least the technological surprise. >> well, technological surprise are we prepared? no. we're not. we've got a game plan. it was, it's a work in progress. we're focused on it, but i don't -- my view is unless it's improved dramatically in the year i've been gone, we're not there yet. and since i'm speaking, let me just comment on the first one. i think the relationship in the community with the creation of usdi has made it better but not where it needs to be. secretary cambone commented what

do we want a dni to do? it's big, it's hard, it's complex. let me contrast that to the most complex department in the world, it's called the department of defense. $660 billion dollars, three million people moving parts in every part of the world, and one person is responsible for running that process. raise, train and equip, operations policy, national security adviser role for the president. so what i'm an advocate of is having appropriate statutory authority for dni that allows problems to be resolved, not puppetted. example -- punted. >> example, everybody has agreed joint duty is wonderful. took us three years. my predecessor, ambassador negroponte worked it for a couple years, i worked it for

the better pawrt of the year, and when we finally got it, it was a compromise. there's no enforcing mechanism, and the community can wave it off. so that's why i keep coming back to the appropriate role and authority. and admittedly, a very complex and challenging environment. but without that decision authority, we're just debating our points of view, and i would also extend this to the congress. it was mentioned by congresswoman harmon, 88 committees and subcommittees overseeing dhs. the appropriation for this community, the major. not all of it, major appropriation for the intelligence community is done in the defense appropriations committees, subcommittees. we haven't had an authorization bill in three years -- fife years -- five years. so my point is getting this recognized for its importance. it truly is important to the

safety and security of the nation, and putting it on a par with appropriation, oversight, authorization, accountability, i think, is what we need to be focused on if we talk about correcting this and making it better for the future. >> thank you. john or steve, you want to comment? >> just very briefly. i supported creation of the undersecretary for defense intelligence, and i think it makes sense to have a person he or she can turn to because 8 0% of the budget is there at this point. prior to the usdi serves primarily the secretary of defense and the dni deals directly with the secretary of defense. second, on technology a part of what i was saying earlier when i talked about a collection paradigm relates to this. on technology we're living in the midst of the greatest

technological period in human history, therefore, intelligence always has to be ahead technologically because your adversary always has what you you have, what's available to you commercially. countless examples over the years. my bottom line would be avoiding technological surprise is having not just a defense, but having an offense that assures you are dramatically ahead of where everyone else is technologically. in the end, that's the best way to avoid surprise. >> thank you. steve? any comments? >> i concur with john on the technological surprise. i thought it was a good idea to have a usdi. [laughter] >> that's why i started at this end. >> but for some of the reasons that john touched on. the phone calls from the dni only went from him to me. i never -- i was not -- the protocol did not have me calling the dni. that was the secretary's call, all right? that didn't happen.

did i spend time with john? yes. his successor? yes. but the relationship was between the sec-def and the dni, and i believe that what george tenet told us and i don't think i'm breaking any confidences here in the context of one of the commissions we did. he said, he and i were talking, he said, look, the most important relationship in washington is between the dci and secretary of defense. >> right. >> and in my view what has happened is that that relationship has now been adjusted to be the sec-den and the dni with the dci very closely related in that, in that relationship. what had been a bipolar relationship is now sort of a triumph rate, if you will, for those matters that are affecting the intelligence committee. and they have got to be on the same sheet. and it's not by accident that you often see the proper array

of personalities there. a president paying attention is going to look to make sure he has the right people in those jobs. >> okay. thank you, steve. i want to turn it to, turn it to the floor. also, we didn't get to discussion about information sharing, so if anyone has any questions about that, throw 'em at us. let's start here. there's a microphone up here. >> thank you, frank fletcher. my question is related to counterintelligence. if one looks at what's occurring within the borders of the united states, if you add together the number of personnel just terrorism, terrorists, foreign terrorists and their supporters, russia, the people's republic of china, i would say while we have very good people working in counterintelligence, good policies and a good strategy, we don't have the resources to conduct the kind of counterintelligence that we need to. it's a very labor or human intensative. so i would propose that we need

a massive or significant expansion of the number of personnel, but it should be done in a way that's coordinated. i don't know if the military services might return to playing a role domestically, not in wire taps or anything that would violate civil liberties, but as they did before in, certainly, in coordination with the fbi, expanded double agent operations or certainly physical surveillance and things like that that, you know, could complement what the fbi's doing. >> okay. anyone? >> i'll start. not enough resources, i agree. i don't think it's necessarily simply a solve it with people problem. i think there are lots of things that we could do. and how we administer the process. something was mentioned earlier as a claim to something the dni was able to do was address the clearance process.

the clearance process was trying to make it two faster. not waste all the final. but also embedded in that was a better way to administer the process from the ability for constant rife cycle monitoring. doesn't mean you monitor it all the time, but you could. so it acts as a deterrentment the other point i would mention is those on the inside after the clearance, they're in for life, and they can skirt it. that's what's happened to us in the past with spies and so on. i don't know if it's quite as dramatic as the way you framed it, but it needs attention. >> thanks, mike. anyone else? randy? you had a question? >> i'd like to pose an issue of future challenge and that is cyberspace. admiral mcconnell has been outspoken about that recently, some of the challenges, but what a lot of people here may not know is that admiral mcconnell

when he was dni actually was a catalyst for the effort which led to the national cybersecurity initiative, it was under his initiative that we actually achieved that, so tribute that to his leadership there. going forward, how should we think about cyberspace in the context of the dni? recently there was an article talking about an episode that showed the tension between operations and intelligence collection. and one that apparently, according to the article, left neither side very, very happy. so going forward, i'd be interested to hear your thoughts collectively about how should cyberspace be managed within the context of the dni? >> thanks, randy. >> my view is first responsibility of the dni and the community is to understand the threat and the implications of the threat and so on, so it's just, it is with that knowledge

that attempt to make the argument in the previous administration and the current administration. this is serious. there are things that are of strategic significance as much as this wonderful i.t. revolution that we've all benefited from in the increase of connections around the world and we enjoy it, it's introduced an unprecedent level of risk. i'll just use banking as my example. we don't have a gold standard. if the you take all the printed bills and all the coinage, you'd get maybe 5% of our wealth. so where is it and how is it accounted for? it's an accounting entry in a database. the worry is not so much nation states who are stealing for advantage, my worry is an extremist group whose intent is to destroy or to downgrade or to corrupt. so if, if an extremist group with a relatively low level of

investment attacked us in that way, it could have large-scale consequences. what's the role? keep that visible, keep it understood, make it plain english, be willing to take a position on it. the issues often are embedded in the intelligence community. national security is i don't know what the number is, probably over its lifetime a half a trillion $investment. -- dollar investment. code breaking is often the enabler for attack which is what everyone wants to talk about, but it's also the enabler for defense. so i think the dni in the community has a dramatic and important role in this in making it translatable to how would you defend the department of defense? how would you defend

dot-government, how old how would you defend dot.com using a community that has capability to operate at a top secret level to make it unclassified and useful at the speed of the net? big challenge. so my view is the dni's going to be involved in this debate, this activity for quite some time before we get a level of mitigation that we find acceptable. >> other comments? >> i'd just say it's probably the most complex problem we have because it involves exploitation, attack and defense. and those functions are all spread around with the u.s. government, again, probably only some of the very senior cross agency level can get their arms around this. the other problem is our vision of it is clouded because we have yet to have a demonstration on a major scale of what it can do. we've, you know, we've had the equivalent in the cyber world of the 'em embassy bombers in '98 d

the attack on the uss cole in 2000. it wasn't until 9/11 that we really got our act together, broadly speaking. we haven't had that on cyber yet. we'd better be ready. we'd better not be scrambling. >> steve cash? and then -- >> [inaudible] >> okay. steven cash. >> a question for the panel and, hopefully, for directer blair later. one of the analogies that was used in coming up with the idea of the dni was the hope that in the intelligence community we would create an equivalent to what in the military at least from a civilian's perspective is the shared professional bond between particularly officers. mr. cambone mentioned you join the army, you join the navy, but from a civilian point of view you become a military officer, and there's a bond there that is very, very significant. there really isn't or really

wasn't in the intelligence community. to what degree now do you think the work force, that 100,000 people. would self-identify regardless of what agency they're from as intelligence officers? and are we at the level we should be, and where do we think we're going in the future with that type of cultural, shared self-identification? >> john, you want to start? >> well, first off, no one knows is the answer. [laughter] but my instinct is just circulating around, talking to people, most people identify themselves as intelligence officers, but the question is really beyond that. and i think it goes to education. you know, there are a number of very fine schools in the intelligence business, but generally speaking the idea of continuous education is not as embedded as a routine as it is in the military. and i think that is part of firming up everyone's

identification as part of a profession with standards, ethics and such that are common across the profession. >> i would add a comment. having grown up in the navy, i had three enemies: the russians, the army and the air force. [laughter] in about that order, yeah. it wasn't until i was a part of a joint activity and a joint force that you really start to have a bond as a, as a progressal military officer. and so in if my hierarchy it's citizen first -- you affiliate, even today with goldwater/nichols and as much as we have a joint task force and so on, people still will identify with their parent organizations, which is not a bad thing. ..

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them. for a preview of the winners, visit studentcam.org. now, news corporation chairman and ceo rupert murdoch interviewed by former "meet the press" anchor and harvard professor speed. from the national press club in washington, this is one hour and 15 minutes. [applause] hello, welcome to the national press club and another addition of the kalb report and the guest tonight is rupert murdoch the subject of the making of a modern media mogul. about 15 years ago, a biographer of rupert murdoch described him as one of the most powerful man in the world. the communications revolution and which we now find ourselves is changing the world. everything about it, what we read, see, listen to, appreciate the everything from economics to

politics to culture. rupert murdoch is now in the middle all of that. his corporation, the news corporation, owns and runs a movie company, you have heard of "avatar" i'm sure, fox entertainment, sports, fox news on cable with ratings high year than any other cable operation, "the wall street journal," the new york post, harpercollins book publisher. and that's all just in the united states. a lot more overseas in england, europe and asia. rupert murdoch is indeed a modern media mogul, and we are delighted, indeed honored, to have him as the guest today. mr. murdoch, welcome. >> thank you for a much. >> i would like to start first with that quote, one of the most powerful men in the world, and that was 15 years ago, so we can imagine what you are today. [laughter] how do you take to that kind of description?

>> i don't like to get to me. i don't believe it. >> you don't believe it? [laughter] a lot of people do. let me start with three quotes from people you know or knew of and then talk about each one of them. the first is from an australian clergymen, late 19th century who believed that, and i quote, "a free press is probably the strongest fall of tierney. no autocrat can tolerate the widespread dissemination among his people of a free discussion of his conduct." do you remember? >> no. [laughter] was that my grandfather? >> yes it was, patrick murdoch. he seemed to have been with that quote a passionate fan of what we call the first amendment, an absolutist in a way to get and i am wondering what you're own view would be to read to you share that kind of total commitment to the first

amendment? >> absolutely. i think it's fundamental of this country and its strengths and its lack of presence in other countries such as the weaknesses. a great advantage. >> the second quote is from a newspaper publisher in the early 20th century, english, who explained his success by saying, quote, a newspaper is to be made to pay. let the deal with what interests the massive people. they did it give the public what it wants. remember who said that? >> are you going to see my father [inaudible] >> lord northcliffe. he was the mentor of your father who was a great journalist in his own right. do you share that tebeau de? -- that view?

>> yes, i do believe the public wants a good, ethical journalism, good factual journalism but they also want to be entertained. >> well, it seems what lord northcliffe was saying is you give the public what it wants. and you remember that in a good part of the 20th century there was a kind of philosophical argument among the american journalist's coming back to mcminn that the american public certainly should have what it wants. but littman also added it all to be given but it needs in a very complex society. would you buy in to both elements? >> absolutely. the media should provide an d dates on the great issues of the day with informed comment on both sides of every issue. that is an additional thing but

it's also part of the attraction of media. >> i think what northcliffe was saying is the most important thing is give them what they want. littman was adding a new dimension with the need. but you are buying into both are you not? >> north cliff wasn't expressing opinions. he was of course a founder of the daily mail, the really popular paper in britain. the penny press. >> of the penny press in the american context but tabloid is what you're saying. >> what we would call tabloid -- tabloids are a misunderstanding freely in this country. really in britain it means a complex size paper. tabloids you mean here it's

often fought to be really cheap, and reliable journalism. i don't think that was true of northcliffe but the daily mail was certainly full of human interest stories which haven't previously been reported. >> fired quote is from a very modern local and the quote is my past consists of a series of interlocking war. do you remember that quote? >> no. i was going to say it sounds like me. [laughter] >> i was wondering what you meant by the interlocking wars. my past consists of a series of interlocking wars. >> i've had to battle my way up and be in very competitive situations and sometimes create competitive situations by starting new enterprises will be

involved in newspaper rules, television wars and all types of media nabors i guess, and i've enjoyed them. we have lost a few but enough to still be here. >> you are using the term wars suggesting extreme competition, very ferocious competition. >> particularly in the early days of australia really ferocious. not so much since. >> what about in england? >> they were pretty sleepy. they went for work eight hours of the day and you were ahead of competition. [laughter] >> what about your dealing in england with trade unions. >> yes, that was tough.

everybody was fighting the unions but the publisher was meet and before they got back to their offices beginning so they deserve what they got and the unions and the different crops were out of control and the papers were missing editions and full of mistakes that couldn't be corrected in time. it was very tough and i waited until i was i thought i was big enough to take a strike and come back at the end of it. whether it be a week or two weeks or three weeks i had to come back at the end of it and the readers would still be there. but not to ruin the business. >> but it said you broke the bank of the trade union. >> it was a very tough and on a pleasant sight. >> and when it was over did the unions continue to work in your newspapers?

>> no. >> no? the were union-free newspapers? >> yes, we have a staff association and that sort of thing that we deal with -- >> do you feel it was a better paper after the union -- >> yes, we haven't missed an edition in, and incidentally since that date in 1986i think, not one of our competitors missed an addition to the unions because they learned their lesson, and it was very, very interesting. of about 20 years after america computers to come in. using a weaker people better paid but we can change jobs from people, demanding skills are different and people work hard. they are very happy. but they get good salaries, all

of them. but they are extraordinarily automated. >> want to go back to the interlocking wars. do you see -- the reason i ask that question is that someone who works for you, bill o'reilly , sitting in this seat a couple of years ago -- >> really? >> yes. very good guest, very interesting guest. but he was describing his relationship to the world almost in me against them terms, and i'm wondering if you see yourself and a conflict with the rest of the world what do you see moments when you are in the state of tranquillity? >> notte a war of the world, but bill likes to say long island working-class boys make good and i can't claim that privilege but

yes, i salles certainly i was taking on the newspaper establishment in australia because we were a very small company and you had to buy those things that were failing and get them on their feet and fight and in britain it was fun, part of my australian wanted to take them on, to take on the english. [laughter] >> fair enough. >> it went pretty well. >> i want to ask about your father, keith murdoch was a small media mogul if there is such a thing but also an outstanding journalist that he was the reporter who literally brought the story in the battle what a lovely of 1915 when the turkish army killed literally

thousands of australian and new zealand troops and a lot of jerks as well. >> not too many. i mean australians and new zealand and canadians and some brits who were run down and this ridiculous campaign. >> you're father took cover, had a deal with the commanding officer who allowed him to go there and actually cover it but there was an arrangement, and the arrangement was keith murdoch would not write what he was seeing, but what he saw was so all of he felt he had to write and of course the british government and english government fell and a couple of generals lost their positions as a result. i'm asking you do you feel any reporter in doing his job should strike a deal with the

government to cover the world? >> i think there are times that national security and so on, yes in fact my father -- that's not an accurate story totally. he was allowed in. there was strict censorship and he was on his way to london to take charge of a bureau for the newspapers in australia to cover with a war in europe and he had a small office in the times and he was typing a letter to the australian prime minister and the editor at times walked in and said what are you doing, young man and can i look at that. he said can i share this with the boss meaning northcliffe. my father agreed. northcliffe immediately took it to the prime minister, board

george who made a cabinet paper and then there was a commission set up which recommended the closure of the campaign a couple of months later in yes indeed first they were called the commander. the commission investigated and supported my father's allegations. >> absolutely. what i am getting at is a broader issue if you are involved in a war in the united states is now involved in to war do you believe that your reporters, people who work for du should make a deal with the government in order to cover the conflict? should allow themselves to be inundated with the forces? >> to be embedded with the forces is not accepting censorship. i don't think it is compromising them. these are different times now

but we had a very strict censorship in the second world war and there were great debates going on between the admiral and general macarthur which never found their way into the press. but vietnam changed that and the times are different. now we take it as our own as a rule that journalists must be free to report everything. unfortunately, in the war in iraq and afghanistan particularly in iraq the journalists were held up in the hotel in baghdad because it was too dangerous for them to move out and i don't think there was enough coverage. >> but the idea -- >> there were different phases of them being embedded. >> but you don't have a problem with the embedding at this point?

>> not at all, i don't think it compromises the journalists. >> one of your biographers, william, in attriting to explain what makes rupert tickets said the following. "his life appears as a psychic leap in perpetual acceleration and endless acquisition with no step far enough, no properly and adequately ward." wow. >> i think that is a pretty big overstatement. [laughter] it is true when i was young and ambitious and smaller i took risks, i bet the company a few times. dennett not again until perhaps three closely the strike we took in london that was betting when most of the profits were coming from and then when i started

spying sky television as a pilot operation which was legal in europe, not illegal but unlicensed and they seemed to like the idea of someone competing with the bbc and that nearly sent me broke. we were losing a fortune. and we had opposition which did have a license and they were losing twice as much money and finally came to us but they had three times as much in reserves and they finally said let's merge the two into one and now 10 million customers. >> was that when the fortune so to speak turned around and went positive? >> it had its ups and downs, i don't know about fortune. i don't look at that much.

sky was a success, we have 40% of it but we had our money back several times, and i think, you know, things, you know, you have your brakes in lock and do things people think are crazy. fox news was thought to be crazy. win and ted turner started cnn he said there was no room for cnn. so, here we are today with something worth ten or $12 billion which is the work of roger ailes, absolutely brilliantly. >> tell me, i'm curious, how do you get your news in the course of the day. >> i spend more time in most people reading the newspapers. i try to read the journal, i

read the new york post, i've read -- >> what else do you read? >> it's my responsibility to read them because i will be held responsible. if and that's fair. >> do you read the times? >> i go through and stopped at several places. [laughter] >> the "washington post"? >> i don't read the washington post. i probably should, varied locations. >> you will do not with one of the blackberrys constantly checking on what is going on here colin what is the market like and what is the development scenario? >> no, but i have a double computer screen behind me. one with a wall street journal .com and the other with the washingtonjournal.com and i compare them. >> contant, it's become even

bigger in your own vocabulary recently. at a meeting you said, quote, content is not just the king is the emperor of all things electronic. we are on the cusp of a digital dynasty from which our company and shareholders will profit greatly. let's put aside the money. i want to talk about content and i would like to hear what your definition is because in the reviewing everything under durham sway, i'm not absolutely clear what it is that you as the boss consider content. so help us out. >> well what we print is the words. i hope it is ethical, stronger, journalism. television. everything from entertainment to

news channels and of course we try to make better films. last year we made -- not many people would have taken that risk. spending nearly $400 million on a film. >> but you've made almost 3 billion. >> no, no, no. i wish. [laughter] we brought and partners and so on but we've done very nicely. we are not complaining. it has taken $2.7 billion at the box office but you get everything from 55% of the box office in this country for a film like that to 15% from china. >> yeah understand. >> state controlled so we don't kill anything like 2.9 billion. >> the content than, anything you put out? >> absolutely. we consider that is what we produce is content.

now we get dragged into technical things in times the durham necessary and investments are technical but we are not a technical company and we don't compete. we are not into making technical objects. we are all about words and pictures. >> good. but what i'm trying to understand when you talk about content i assume you mean substantive content. so is avatar the same as an editorial in "the wall street journal," both being defined as contant? >> they are both content, absolutely -- >> but they're different? >> very different. but you can apply the question of quality for both. let me tell you how i got into the film business. i got a license for television

stations after i had been there three or four years. they were issuing the first television licenses and i felt pretty quickly that you couldn't really afford to make a lot of programs. you had to take what was brought by the stations in sydney and melbourne and be part of the big network and by chief debt that -- chafed at that until we could put together a network. that took many years. we to wait for this to feel and get in and then i found the cheapest and profitable way to run was to take american content and the studios said if you want to buy from us to buy everything we make, which we fought on successfully and so i had in the back of my mind i wanted to get to where it started so i said to

buy 20 of century fox, i jumped at it and it was the last reasonable deal in the exchange we paid in $300 million for the next one sold for 4 billion. >> forgive me, but i want to go back to contant because i'm obviously missing something. for you, content, substantive content can be anything from the avatar movie to hannity at 9:00 on fox, sounding off with his own opinions. those opinions you put into substantive content into that category? >> i think that hannity is very good, extremely sincere, open catholic conservative.

nice man, has a large audience and that's fine but no one says it is anything other than comment. that is comment from one man. >> so to understand the content, what is fox television puts out and let me quickly say i do occasional commentary for fox, let that be on the record. i want to understand those that there appears to be to fox's. there is the fox in the evening with highly opinionated anchors and then there is fox news during the day which is pretty much what it would be in almost any other network. >> we think it's different. i think that is our strength. we have both sides. >> you have -- >> both sides. the news shows, politics,

whatever, we have, you know, democrats and republicans and the libertarians, whenever. >> but the other networks have both sides as well. >> the tend to be democrats. >> the tend to be democrats? [laughter] >> come on, let's be honest. >> but is that a bad thing to be democrat? >> no, but we are not republicans. >> you're not republican? you are conservative? what are you? >> somewhat radical i would say. >> you are a radical? >> janice and i am not trying to change. >> why is it so much of your radical beliefs are on one side of the political spectrum? [laughter] >> i'm not saying i agree with mr. hannity for that matter or bill o'reilly or whoever. >> or glenn beck or sarah palin for example, she is now one of your commentators.

>> occasionally. >> do you consider her a journalist? nor would she pretended to be one. >> correct, she's a politician. >> but we have a lot of politicians. >> but you are putting her into a journalistic environment putting a mantle of journalism on her are do not? >> no. a commentator if something big happens we go to a democrat and sarah palin or whatever. i don't know how often he uses sarah palin. i know when he does the ratings hoadly. [laughter] >> so that is a good thing. of the ratings -- >> we are not opposed to high ratings. [laughter] >> let me ask you about other definition issues for example in

april 1945 edward r. murrow did reporter based in london for cbs visited the concentration camp right after it was open. he did not go back to his hotel room and played an immediate broadcast. he was so overwhelmed by the horror that he saw that he spent three days thinking about it before he actually wrote it. when he did write it became one of the classics in the american broadcasting history. you're own sense of that. would you think that was good journalism to wait three days before you share with your public that which you experience this credible experience? how would you put it? >> yes, i don't know that you

could do wheat today because you would have your competitors with you racing out to tell the story. clearly it can lead to classical work. but the race to be first can lead to corners been cut and we have to be careful about that and that is where anything comes in and i think as we've discovered the three great networks will discover at the same moment i think he would imagine they would race to get on the air. >> absolutely. so today given the nature of journalism and competition that kind of reporting wouldn't fit in. it would not be accepted. >> i think as the first braking of the news, no, it wouldn't be

possible but it's still possible to make a major statement about it or major report. absolutely. >> deep down you don't have a problem with a reporter going beyond the facts and providing as well as the facts his or her own interpretation and beliefs where political views would enter the telling of the story? >> it's got to be very clear i think that the writers -- it's got to be clear he's writing his opinion. but of course some things like that you can't avoid subjective reporting. >> i want to take just a moment now to the radio and television audience this is the kalb report, i am marvin kalb and we are here talking with rupert murdoch.

sir, you have said, quote, the old business model based on advertising is dead. in the new business model we will be charging consumers for the news we provide on the internet sites. there have been critics who say that model won't fly. you argue it will fly. so again help me understand some of this. when you took over "the wall street journal" the couple of years ago the journal was charging for the information it provided online. when you came in you said stop that, no more charging. it's going to be freed. now you have changed your mind clearly. what made you change your mind and where are you now?

>> i don't know that i said i would do that. i was only musing about it before we walked in and i listened to the executives and the case they need and looked at the revenue involved and the success of it. we had all along about a million people paging for the wall streetjournal.com. some also buy the paper and they use it to keep up throughout the day in the breaking news and markets and so forth and others only rely on it. i think about 400,000. and we are very happy with that and we are going to keep that and extend it to the times in london and any other papers we have. >> so that all of your peters -- >> and we are going to stop people like google, microsoft,

whoever, from taking our stories for nothing. >> and you can do that technically? >> copyright, yes. and they recognize it. if you call them up you hardly need to write them a letter. >> have you already done that? >> no because -- yes, absolutely because as far as the washington .com, they don't touch that. >> as well as the paper's -- >> the papers themselves they do and they will be stopping that very shortly. >> be stopping what exactly? >> if you go to google news and see stories that say wall street journal utech on it and suddenly get the page of the story as in "the wall street journal" and it's for free and they take it and they've got a very clever

business model which is -- they've invented a new type of a advertising, search advertising and so if they just poured out tens of millions of words a day one way or another they have keywords which tied to the adverse trading decided just to actual advertising and it's produced a river of gold but those words are being taken from mostly from the newspapers and i think they ought to stop it, the newspapers ought to stand up and let them do their own reporting or would ever. >> in an ideal world, google and the others will pay if they plan to take anything from the wall street journal or "the new york post" or any other paper?

>> yes. >> they are not doing that as yet? >> nope. >> but you intend for that to happen? >> we will be happy if the just published our hit line and may be a sentence or two and that's it followed by a subscription for the journal. [laughter] and that brings you the so-called traffic to your site and then you tell advertisers how much traffic you had. >> according to eight lead to a recent survey, a recent survey, 16% of the people who get their news on the internet on the various web sites say that they are prepared to pay for it but if my arithmetic is right that is 84% to get their news from the websites say they are not going to pay for it.

what does that do for you if that is true? >> i think when they have nowhere else to go and they will start paying if it's reasonable. we are now selling an electronic edition of the journal for $3.99 a week which is a lot cheaper than buying it on the newsstand. it's about the same as the average subscription a bit less. but there's no paper involved, no print. >> i know what i'm supposed -- >> as far as i'm concerned i like what we've done but i'm old, i like the textile experience. >> but you're also an awfully good businessman and somebody in effect saying that you support and operation and technological operation that may very well be the end of the printed

newspaper. >> i think it will take a long time but it may -- but that doesn't destroy the traditional newspaper it just comes in a different form. >> but as you said you don't have that thing that you can pick up with your rice kris peace. >> it's very hard in this country and some other countries to find people under the age of 30 who have ever bought a newspaper. i don't know how many people the george washington university students or who ever read one. they pick up a little bit on television, a bit here and there. >> you have implied and even stated outright you are in a pretty tough competition with "the new york times." >> not really. [laughter]

and that you would not lose a moment of sleep if the times went under and to consider the times to be too liberal and you would like to do away with it. >> no, that isn't true. i have great respect for the times except it does have very clearly an agenda and you can see it in the way they choose these stories with the put on page one. anything mr. obama wants. >> anything that obama wants? >> you can see it the white house pays off by feeding them stories and so on. this morning you can see it, every good story which we would have liked but there you are. [laughter] >> that's ok. i think people know where they are. sometimes a lot of people get irritated for the times certainly in new york there's a

very big jewish society who feels that it's too critical of israel. the times certainly has a cutting edge but it has a very good work and we think it is formidable but there is no harm. they sell in new york and remember we are looked upon as a financial paper of the we brought in it enormously but they sell to-1 against us in new york about 480,000 to the 250 in rough terms. in our country we saw about three times as many. we are really usa today somewhere the national newspaper is the leading national newspaper. >> how do you get on with mr. sells kirker the publisher

of the time? >> okay. >> what about the story -- >> "the wall street journal" weekend ago that seemed to compare him to a feminist -- >> that's nonsense. >> those pictures have been changed. some have written a book about men with

>> brian ken and he jay harris here on "sportscenter." this is a fascinating part of the yankees-red sox game last night. marcus thames facing jon lester, second inning. angel hernandez says get back in there. goes back in. will take the pitch. the yankees made this their

style in the late 1990's. wore down the starting pitchers. jeter did not get time but walked all the way out of the box to make sure that he did get time. what are you going to do now? hernandez has a word with him. this is a tactic they applied to pedro martinez and the red sox. burnett sees papi out. time wasn't called. the umpires are trying to keep things going and stop these guys from stepping out. doesn't seem to work. yankees won this game in three hours and 48 minutes. umpire joe west, the chief of the umpiring crew said --

>> tim, what do you think of what joe west had to say? >> well, i think he overstated things a little too much here. i mean embarrassing, disgrace to the game, i think that is taking it way too far. are the games really, really long between the red sox and yankees? of course they are. but they have been that way for 10 years. now all of a sudden to say we have to quicken the pace when these specific guys have been stepping out of the box, taking their time and being very consistent about taking pitches and everything else to say we have to change the way you have been playing in the last 10 years, that certainly is not going to happen in one day. >> joe west has a rep around baseball for his unique style. this is from mariano rivera.

>> what do you platers think of joe west? he is known around baseball. what do the players think of what joe west does and what he has to say? >> i think most players believe that joe west is a very good umpire, and i think he is too. but joe west is not taking anything from anybody. when i heard an umpire spoke up about it i thought it was probably joe west. he is not afraid of anyone or anything. but it is up to the umpires to move the game along. they have been told that we are go to improve the pace of the game. but it is very difficult for one umpire to say here is how we are going to do it. joe west has a very small strike zone. it is a very difficult spot. i would like to see some games moved along quicker.

but are you telling me the first game of the season sunday night was lousey because it lasted so long? >> should baseball not only speedup the players but also limit the time between innings. >> right. baseball can do some things and that is one thing, of course to limit the time. but there is money and commercials involved and everything else. that is not an easy thing to change either. we have to compare this to years and years ago when nobody ever stepped out of the box in the middle of an at-bat. now everybody steps out test test

major league baseball tonight live from st. peters berg, florida game three of the three game series. tampa bay has won the first two games. this is brought to you by your local ford dealers. visit mid atlantic ford dealers.com to learn more. brine maddox makes his first start of the season. he won the last three starts before being shut down. 3.94 e.r.a. in his rookie year. hello everybody.

welcome to our masn studio. luke scott had 25 home runs last year. he's hit one this season. orioles hit three home runs in the first game they plays against the rays. do you think they'll have home run hitters to reach beyond that? >> i think that will be town to look at this year. we have enough experience with a couple of veteran guys. markakis can definitely hit over 20 home runs, jones will hit closer to 40. i think before it's over reimold will hit more than any of them. i think he'll be the first to reach 40 loam runs. look at matt wieters, yes definitely there's no way he won't hit. if he stays healthy he'll hit 20 this we're. look at luke scott already, he's got the track record. atkins, if he gets on track, gets the momentum with the orioles. we have six guys that should hit 20 or more home runs.

the outside dark horse is pa if he can stay healthy, he's got a good chance. he's got to fight for playing time. he's going to surprise everybody. tejada could hit 30 or 40 but didn't last year. he's the most accomplished hitter of all guys we've talked about. he gets in a power track, i think he can hit 20 plus too. >> so maybe eight guys. >> the key is health. tejada had an rbi single the other night. he's made several great defensive plays. let's go to florida and visit with amber. >> reporter: miguel tejada was brought to baltimore to add much needed pop and consistency to the lineup. one things you know he's going

to be consistent and durable. he played all games in his first career season. last night he got his first of his 2010 campaign. he admitted he and the rest of his teammates need to step it up in that category tonight. >> we've got to improve. to be a winner, that's the part we have to do the whole year. i think is more important is bring the running home with two outs is more important. i think starting today i think everybody got in their mind we need to drive in more runs. >> reporter: we saw how many doubles you had last year. you're batting 4 hole this year. where you're at in your career, do you see more opportunities to drive in runs based upon doubles rather than going for the long ball as you may have previously? >> yeah. i don't get any younger. i don't try to hit the ball out

of the park. in the last two year what i do, try to hit the ball in the gap and get a base hit. i'm going to try to be more consistent with my driving runs. that's what i'm looking for. i like to hit more doubles than try to hit a home run. >> reporter: batting if 4 hole, orioles will take all the doubles. batting throughout his career, .317 average batting cleanup. he's brought the power. look at that 285 rbi. that is what the orioles are hoping to see in 2010. that's why he was brought to baltimore and batting cleanup for them tonight and hopefully throughout the season. >> thanks amber. she'll be along during the game and after the game. time for the just for men keep your edge spotlight brought to

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welcome back to your studio. tom davis along with rick dempsey. it was kind of a weird play because it was a check and the third base umpire had to say yes or no. the runner took off for second.

>> there was no defining play for the umpire. once the runner went to second base, you've got to be ready to make the play. never go to sleep back there, never take anything for granted. if you see that guy running, throw the ball h you could cost can yourself a big run. matt wieters was alert enough and made the right play. >> just throw the ball. that's what you're there for. no doubt about that. >> guthrie worked 6 and a half innings. >> i felt good about the things i've been able to work on. to go on the mound and feel you have the weapons and execution to get people out. >> regardless of a good

performance, you do pinpoint moments. take us to the 5th moment where you ran into the jam. >> we threw a first pitch changeup. he took it. in two games he's a good hitter. i tried to run a two seam fastball. he hit left center between our outfielders. that was the difference. the whole staff pitches really, really well. that makes it that much more important for our starters to go out and outpitch our opponent. we'll go out with maddon tomorrow. >> 8 hit, 3 earned runs, walked 2, struck out 6. he's only allowed one home run in 37 innings. seemed like last night you were happy with what you saw from guthrie. >> i thought he was one pitch

away from having an eight out inning. outside of that, great movement on his ball. he used the strike zone up. you see crawford. he has to swing at that. that was the best pitch of the day. you know what, he's moving the ball around like he did his first two seasons. he did not overthrow the entire game. that was the biggest problem last year. that's why he had so many mechanical problems, gave up so many home runs. i love the way the ball came out of his if anything her tips. everything has been mechanical with him. he's always trying to tinker over the top or a towel game releasing the ball. it's simple. just focus on the strike zone. focus on keeping the ball down. he's got great movement. i saw big improvement on him

including all of last year. >> is there a such thing as a pitch her being too intense? >> i guess there is. if it affects the amount of strikes these throws in the game, yes. the more you fired up a pitcher, the better he pitched. with guthrie he needs to calm down a little and be more thoughtful in his thought process about his mechanics. forget about the mechanics when the game starts. before the game that's when it happens. last night i thought he watched the strike zone, watched the target well, kept the ball down in certain situations. he pitched up hen he needed to. he had a great changeup yesterday. >> if guthrie pitches like he did last night, they'll be okay. >> look at these numbers. an inning and two thirds and zeros down the board.

five outs on 15 pitches. what does will ohman bring to the table? >> he really gets left handers out. left handers only hitting .2 03 against him. right-handers only hitting .159. i thought we did a good job in this organization of finding this guy and getting him on this ball club. he looks very strong, very poise. i think this guy is going to really do a great job for us. he already has been in both games. >> he's basically replacing walk her in the spot. >> you're going to see more velocity. walker liked to pitch up in the work zone. that big sweep and slider jamie had, this guy is more defined in his releast point. i think we'll get more mileage out of him. >> how about brian getting the start tonight.

here's the pitch their pitched the best in spring training. last season they shut him down. >> he experienced a lot of success last year. that gave him confidence going into spring training. this guy in his college program used off speed pitches in the the zone. hellished how effective you can be getting guys out early. when you've got command of the strike zone, do whatever you want. this guy knows how to pitch, when to change speeds. i like everything about him. >> he has had run support that has helped him control games. >> when you keep the other team from scoring, you give your offense the chance to put numbers up. that builds confidence in your offense. he's a ground ball striker, not a strikeout pitcher. let the defense do the work for you. >> interesting numbers on the

run support. most run support through the first eight career starts in orioles history second to the pitch her in '96, one of the years they went to postseason play. willis robertson early 2000 and chris waters with 36 runs earlien o. jeff niemann starts tonight. he's a big guy. i don't think its size that makes him tough on hitters. i think it's the short quick ball he has. this guy hide the ball well. he can get it up to 94-96. he has command of the strike zone too. that's why he's been a big winner so far. not so good against the orioles. the 6.7 e.r.a. the orioles know how to hit

this guy. they make him throw a lot of pitches. >> 6 plus against the orioles, 3 1/2 against the the rest of the league. here's the web poll question for tonight here. how many games do you think the orioles will win this season? somewhere between 61-70, 71-80, 81-90, or 91-and more. when we come back, rick tells us how to stop the ray's third baseman's hot bat. those thoughts brought to you by ford in a moment.

during the o's game tonight, derek atkins remembers his parent's influence. >> my mom was a teacher growing up. she was a vice principal in the school district i was in. i didn't go to school where she

went. i didn't want to deal with that abuse. i was playing against kids that had her as pay vice principal. when guys would know her they wouldn't be fond of her. she was nice and i tried to stay out of trouble at home. my dad traveled a lot with business. whenever he was home he would try to throw to me and kind of help me with whatever sport was in season in california basketball or baseball or whatever. here's a look at the starts lineup. markakis has an outfield assist in game one. tejada, wieters, atkins rbi double last night lugo makes

his first start. how about adam jones? he's doing well the first two games. >> you saw how much he improved last year. only 9 home runs and goes to 19. this kid absorbs everything you can imagine as an offensive player and even defense. the fact he's started to wait more on breaking balls, go the other way with power, it tells you everything you don't want to hit with a hitter that you face. this guy is seriously become a dangerous hitter. the more he looks for certain pitchers, the more he hits with power. it's a matter of him getting experience and staying healthy. he's a guy that gets nagging injuries from time to time. it slows him down a little bit. as soon as it comes together for him he'll be one of the premiere players in this game. >> crawford, zobrist, longoria,

pena, burrell, kapler. the orioles have not been able to solve longoria. they have not been able to solve pena. what's the difference? >> pena is streaky. he's going to hit a lot of mistake pitches out of the ball park. longoria is a better hitter than pena. the one thing that stands out is how quick in guy is inside. you pitch him inside you're bog to pay for strikes. you've got to pitch in off the plate. my theory and theory that's worked all the years, when you have hitter this is dangerous, you've got to say to yourself, i'm going to give you a base hit. i'm going to keep you in the ball park. where do you want you to get your base hit? on the ground most of the time the opposite way. if you go with the three write of setting them up to give them a base hit on the ground, most

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moments. dave rememberly -- dave trembley talked about the game. >> hits haven't fallen in for him. i'm sure he's not where he wants to be simply because he didn't have that many at bats in spring training. i've said it before, he makes our team better. he's our premiere leadoff guy. we've had two very well pitched games. we'll take those more times than not and win the games throughout the course of the year. roberts makes the offense go. if roberts was to get on the first two games we might have scored more runs. he makes it better for all the guys behind him. hasn't happened yet, but tonight would be a good night to get the start. i agree with you we'll have to take it as it is. he's coming along and says he's

seeing the ball good. he's got good numbers against this guy pitching tonight. it would be a good night to get it on track. >> is he struggling more in the outfield? >> i don't think he's as quick as he can be. that's a byproduct of the surgery. the improvements he made the last week or so in spring training were straight ahead. i think he's going to have his moments of turns lateral. i think that's really where he is not not 100%. >> orioles manager, dave trembley. orioles hitters 3-21 with runners in scoring position stranding 17 in the first two games. orioles used 132 different lineups last year. they're on their third one so

far this season. orioles' fund-raiser down at fan fest, orioles raised $65,000. great job by the fans spending money at fan fest to help out the haitians people. how about roberts being the catalyst of this team? as he goes so do the orioles it seems like. >> i don't think it will be long before roberts gets back on track. he's going to get three. if he gets the hit right out of the bat he loosens up and lets it go. like trembley was saying they've made excellent pitches against him thus far. especially the fastball, he missed it for a strikeout. it's only two games in private beat. brian roberts will hit and be one of the best this ball club has with men in scoring position. once he gets on track, gets the rhythm and timing down, roberts

is the least of our problems. it has an effect. you've got to pay dues at spring train, get the 70-80 to get everything where it should be. you start the season right. that's been his record so far. he's always had a lot of at bats in the spring. we've never had a problem with him jumping out to a good season. two games is not bad. you watch he'll hit the first time up, i predict three. >> it seems he's producing more runs than ever in his career. >> i said it hypothetically in my blog, not hypothetically just said it. it is conceivable a pa stays healthy and plays well. they might want to consider moving roberts to a spot. i think it will help this ball club be more effective offensively. >> orioles wrap up the season

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last season brian had a big debut in detroit. heat go on to win five as a rookie, six strikeouts against the indians and beat the yankees in new york with 7 outstanding innings. we'll get to know atkins as we go to covering the bases. it's the orioles and rays up next on masn.

it's orioles baseball on masn from tropicana field. it's the finale of the season opening three game series. hi everybody i'm jim hunter. thanks for joining us. before heading home for the game opener tomorrow, the goal of the team increase of production for the starting rotation and getting as deep as possible. even though the orioles have lost the first two games of the series, so far so good with the starters. guthrie took the lost last night but got the team to the 7th inning. he allowed 3 runs. the combined e.r.a. 3.97 two games, by the orioles starting rotation. tonight orioles in search of a win. they'll hand the baseball to the youngest member of the

rotation, brian matusz. he won the last three starts. jim palmer as you know has the most famous case of history. rob nice enough to sit in with us and learn how we do it here. brine matusz what a spot for brian. not only a season debut, he goes out on a night the orioles need a win. matusz a very poised pitcher. he's been waiting for this. >> the rookie has a nice ring to it. we're not asking too much of him. i watched him yesterday talking about what a tough loss the opener was. you have a chance to win the series if you win that game. he said i'm not losing tomorrow night. i expect to win. he says i expect to win when i go out there. this kid is cocky. he's so polished and sure of himself. he said i'm not losing tomorrow

night. >> it's been so loss since he lost, none of us remember what it is like. hello amber. >> reporter: there's two things we can say about brian matusz. he's getting a kick of being up here in the big leagues. he's in no way intimidated by the big league hitters he'll face. at one minute he's touring the green monster walking around the cat walk and the next minute telling you how excited he is about going up against longoria. he's an early rookie of the year favorite. he told me he's getting a push from the veteran in the rotation, millwood. >> that's one of the big things kevin talked about when we went out to dinner the first time. he asked what we needed to do as a staff to be better. i told him a couple of things here and there. he told me it's about pushing

each other, working off each other's stuff. it makes the next guy want to do the same thing. it's about pushing and rooting for each other so we get in good groups, we're all throwing the ball well and not killing the bullpen. we're able to go deep in games. that's the big part of winning saving the bullpen for later in the year. the everyone is strong. it's great. he's all about every pitcher. he wants all of us to get better. the better one guy does the better the other person will do. it's motivation. >> would you say it's about pride as a staff in just carrying yourself with pride as a group and going to the tough cities like new york and boston to have a swagger? >> oh sure. i think we have the guys to do it. we have a lot of talent and a lot of young talent. with the veteran guys we have a

good mix. it's going to be a lot of fun. we all enjoy going out pitching every fifth day. we're all helping each other. we all get along which makes it easier. it's an exciting team. it couldn't be -- it makes it better we pitch in the toughest division. we're up for the challenge. >> you seem excited to go up againsts the best. a lot of pitchers have a little intimidation. when you look at the ray's lineup, many are predicts could be a good team this year. who's the one guy in the lineup you're very excited to go against tomorrow? >> it's tough to say because the rays are tough 1-9. every guy in that lineup is tough. only a couple of lefties. i faced pena in spring training. he was tough on me. he put in good swings. even lefty on lefty will be tough for me.

being able to make some adjustments with them and dealing with longoria who i had a long at bat with during the spring. i think it was a 13 pitch at bat. i nose longoria is tough. he's a tough out every time. he's very discipline. he doesn't swing and miss a lot. i'm really excited about those matchups. >> carlos pena told me the one area matusz may have a chance early on, we don't know the left hander. he has good off speed stuff. he said he'll be watching crawford in the way matusz pitches the lefty in the lineup ahead of pena to determine how he's going to go up against him. matusz could get after this lineup with the lefties early on in the game. >> you've got to love it. welcome to the big leagues. no pressure on the 23-year-old. just go out and win the finale.

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asked who of the orioles young pitchers impresses him the most. he did not hesitate to say brian matusz. >> matusz is different in a lot of good ways. he's going to be very good for many years: he's got different weapons. what i look at a lot also with my guys, their calmness on the mound, demeanorrer, attitude. he's got all of that. >> reporter: there's no question his mount could be tested. we'll see how they gets out of jams and handle the situations. >> thanks very much. we'll see what matusz does when he takes the mound. in the meantime, here's last year. the scouting report for a 6'9" pitcher, repeat that delivery. that's his breaking ball. economical with the pitchers. get as deep as you can in the game. there are numbers from a year

ago. 13-6 with the impressive e.r.a. roberts fouls it back. brian still looking for the first hit. it's not as if he hasn't hit hard, he doesn't hit at players. >> dave trembley says he has good at bats, worked talent, the ball isn't falling in for him. >> swing and a miss. 0 hives0 -- 0-2. he has struckout only twice and put the ball in play. niemann gets ahead 0-2. >> reporter: crowley said to watch for brian's movements when he takes the pitch. that's how you can tell if a guy feels comfortable. if there's a lot of jerky moments when he takes a pitch, he doesn't feel comfortable.

it's obviously with 19 at bats it's going to take a while catch up. he gets adrenaline going. >> weak ground ball to second base. fielded there. he gets it to pen y one away. let's get a rook at the starting lineup for the orioles. jones, markakis, tejada,s scott left field, wieters two game hitting streak in this series, lugo gets the first start tonight. he'll get the debut at short stop batting 9th. here's adam jones off to a good start. >> that brings up the question, is it a streak if it's more than two games? >> absolutely. >> he swings at the first pitch and pops it up. shallow left center field. upton comes on and takes

control. he makes the catch for the out. here's the defensive alignment tonight. upton and kapler gets his first start in the right field. zobrist to the infield. kelly shoppach the catcher. >> i think it's a matchup thing. shoppach has more pop in his bat. that was the thing in spring training. shoppach was able to hit the ball. there's nothing better to push a player. markakis takes the strike. jeff led 180 last year and two- thirds. >> he has the great curveball. i described it as 12-6. they

call it is spike curveball. it's a pitch at rice university where he played in college where the pitching coach teaches all the pitchers that particular style of the breaking ball. 1-1 markakis, two outs, bases empty. he's seen the ball well. he's thrown three walks in the first two game this is series. >> i had fans asking me, they were concerned on low on base percentage. 2-1 markakis. he fouls back the other way. nick has drawn a walk in each of the first two games. with tejada on deck batting behind markakis this year, he's likely to see a few more pitches to hit than last year. even though miguel is not the home run hitter he once was, he's a dangerous hitter because he puts the ball in play to hit

the gaps. 2-2, fouled back. niemann 69 inches tall. he matches the tallest pitcher in tampa bay history. >> i think he needs one of the platforms up in the tree. >> there's henderson in the bullpen, one time ray, one time -- that ball hit to second base. gets to pena for the out. orioles go three up, three down. matusz getting set to work. no score in the 1st. it's all in the pepperation. for me, pepperation is about getting in early to smoke your ribs low and slow over pecan wood chips for a sweet, smoky flavor. then i triple-baste them till they're fall-off-the-bone tender.

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the orioles go three up and three down in the 1st. starting lineups for the rays as they come up in the bottom of the 1st, longoria in the cleanup spot. three hits in the series including a home run in each of the first two games. pena and upton follow longoria. kapler and shoppach rounded out against the 23-year-old left hander brian matusz. the the scouting report on matusz, establish the fastball. the the fastball he has to establish throwing strikes to utilize the changeup. also pitch inside with success in particular to the two left-

handed batters crawford and pen y. and also control your emotions. you're out there and your team needs a win. matusz getting set to work on bartlett. he'll face seven right handed batters. maddon stacked the lineup with right-handers. bartlett 3-8 ponte season. tampa bay batting .338 on the first two games. that's foul down the left side. >> rob: he's such a relaxed kid. he violates the rule to not start to the starting pitcher on the day he starts. he's like hey you not going to talk to me? he wants everything to be like a normal day. i'm not saying dave trembley

likes that. he said i might have to say something to him. we were like why change the kid? he's approaching us. that's fine. >> jim: markakis has it in his sight. nick has it, one down. >> reporter: he is just 23 years old. as he told me yesterday, he is human. >> i know i'm going to be nervous. it's going to feel like my debut all over again. just stay focused and know i have pitched at this level before. i have a bunch of games under my belt. keep the confidence and have swagger out there knowing i could do it. that's the toughest thing to do get ahold of the nerves and go after guys. it's about trusting your stuff and treating it's like a normal game. >> reporter: we all remember his last start of the 2009 campaign at yankees stadium. he walked off the field showing

poise against the best team that year. >> jim: his debut was in detroit august 4th. brian matusz was not expected to be in the big leagues last year. the plan was to finish up and following labor day go home and rest up for this year. as it turned out the remainder of year brian matusz stepped in to become the fifth of five rookie pitchers last year to win in their major league debut. incredible run. he misses outside to crawford. >> rob: matusz on august 4th. 3-1 none out, one on. there's a strike. crawford took. count full 3-2. as you'll remember, andy had to be talked into bringing up matusz. they didn't want to bring him

up. they wanted to shut him down. >> jim: 3-2 popped foul. back in the crowd. >> rob: they thought they'd go ahead and shut him down. you mentioned butler changed their mind. look how much farther he got because of the start. he knew he was going to be ready. that experience was invaluable. >> jim: this is his second professional season. another 3-2 to crawford fouled back. after he was drafted in 2008, it took quite a bit of time to get the contract done. by the time he signed there wasn't enough of the season left to go and benefit from it it. hadn't thrown in so long. he went and was a member working out with the team. he didn't pitch until last year. crawford draws a one out walk. rays get the game first base

runner. a little look from last night. jones and markakis round out the infield. tejada third, lugo makes the debut. wieters catching for matusz. there is luke who all spring kept reminding anybody that would listen, write about it, talk about it, i want to play defense. they're the ones dh'ing me. luke scott in there defensively. >> rob: luke wants a 550 bat. he's willing to play first base too. we didn't think he'd get the opportunity. that might be another option. the hot one from the first half not the cold one from the

second half. >> jim: 1-0. there's a strike 1- 1. >> reporter: one thing we know about scott, he marchs to the beat of a different drummer. dave trembley was getting a hair cut yesterday. the rays bring in a stylist to take care of the players. luke said he took a little off the hair cut. he says he's working towards the billy ray cyrus mull let. he says he looks like cyrus in his prime. >> jim: he's not kidding about that. he actually had a picture of billy ray cyrus in his locker

next to a picture of himself with a long hair and beard. >> rob: when i first saw that i did think it was luke. >> jim: luke looks like he needs a date with a razor. he is out. crawford going with movement. atkins did the right thing, stepped in to avoid throwing the ball right at crawford. lugo applies the tag. two down. >> rob: you'll remember brian worked on the slide step holding runners. brian took the blame and did not do a good job holding runners. that was one of the things he talked about the following start, we need to work on this. >> jim: zobrist battling here.

zobrist has reached base 23 consecutive games. it's amazing his development. it's one of the guys that took a little longer. he'll turn 29 next month. what a year he had a year ago. he's becoming the rays mod person day version of what he beara used to be. zobrist right field the first two games, tonight at second base, came up as pay short stop, can play third base. maddon loves the versatility and the bat. what a breaking ball. swing and a miss. zobrist down on strikes. the first curveball by matusz yields big results. we'll head to the 2nd, no score. r. where is that dollar? i got it out to show you... uhh... was it rather old and wrinkly?

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niemann. niemann goes down. that ball ricochets to pena. tejada is down. i'm not sure where that hit niemann. that was a rocket back at the 6'9" right-hander. they'll go to jeff niemann now. that ball was hit so hard off of niemann it hit pena in the air that. will be a 1-3 putout to tejada. niemann gets an assist. >> rob: that ball will find you. >> jim: tejada looking for the pitch he got. joe maddon out there. he went right after the fastball. it appeared to hit him on the upper part of his throwing arm.

>> rob: hopefully below the shoulder. >> jim: after the follow through, looked like right below the shoulder. tejada upset as he went down. he may have hurt the tall right handed pitcher. now we'll sigh if -- we'll see if niemann can get loose enough to stay in the game. >> reporter: it will be a huge advantage if niemann can't go. the he's as good as he gets. the ball charges at eye level. it's the downhill motion being 6'9" that's threatening. he changes speed, uses the breaking ball in the user's count. he said he gets the pitchers very well prepared. he does a good job finding

hitter's weaknesses. we'll see if niemann can go here. >> jim: knee man -- niemann taking time to get back on the mound. the trainer and manager looking on. joe maddon will be very careful with niemann that last year made the rotation as the number five starter. he was promoted this year from number five to three. >> rob: there's nobody warming in the bullpen. they'll have all the time they need to get someone warmed up. >> jim: niemann trying to shake it off. that's a great angle by our crew, just below the the -- below the shoulder on the

throwing arm. tejada is concerned niemann might be hurt. looks like maddon will take niemann out of the game. they don't want to take any chance. >> rob: there have been comparisons, concerns what if niemann turns out to be this year's version where he was still impressive one season and suffered such say drop next season. >> jim: unfortunately for the rays and niemann, he'll have to leave after four batters. his night is done, and hopefully the injury won't be serious. pitching change after this. for me, pepperation is about getting in early to smoke your ribs low and slow over pecan wood chips for a sweet, smoky flavor. then i triple-baste them till they're fall-off-the-bone tender.

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orioles baseball brought to you by southwest airlines. go to southwest.com. grab your bag. it's on. look at the lovely couple hanging out on the west coast of florida with the umbrellas going. >> jim: that is a nice evening. orioles will be happy to leave florida after being down here since around valentine's day. here's sonnanstine taking over for niemann. sonnanstine after spending the prior season in 2008 when the rays went to the world series, he was sent back to triple a. when he was sent down, he had

the highest earned run average in the major leagues. he was 6-7 as the number 4 starter. he spent two months after his demotion in june in the minor leagues until he came back september 1st. he only came back then because tampa bay traded scott to the angels. >> rob: that explains why the rays curb their enthusiasm when it comes to niemann. >> jim: don't forget time is running out for your chance to receive a robinson figurine when you become a plan holder for as low as $154. you can enjoy benefits including the figurine dipped in 14-carat gold. don't miss this keepsake plus your chance to buy tickets.

get online on orioles.com. tejada on the bench. he's a bit upset. that's part of the game unfortunately. bergesen knows all about that. bergesen back in baltimore getting ready for his start tomorrow afternoon and watching i'm sure. brad knows about the screaming line drive that comes back at you. you follow through and before you know it the ball is back at you. >> rob: there was so much attention about brad's shoulder when he came back. he was throwing live bp one day, they moved the screen. he had one hit off the other shin. there were two hit up the middle. he was like i'm glad i got those out of the way. he said he was totally fine. now the rays have to wonder how niemann will react the next time the ball is hit up the

middle. >> jim: one out, nobody on, luke scott comes up. sonnanstine is 27 years old. he was drafted by tampa bay in 2004. he was a 13th round pick. he made his debut with the rays in 2007. he's the long man in the bullpen and one of the two they have. the pitcher with starting experience, here's luke scott, one out of seven in the series. home run opening night. first ball swinging fouling off scott. sonnanstine does not have the power of jeff niemann. >> rob: how much video do you think the orioles watched of sonnanstine before the game? they were prepared for niemann

not this guy. >> jim: i bet they're in the clubhouse sneaking a peek. orioles do not have a base runner. longoria won't be able to reach it. it bounces foul. >> rob: i wrote about this during the spring. luke thinks he'd be the ideal number two hitter. if he had the chance to learn where to hit in the lineup, he says number two hitter. i think when they were double a he had 19 home runs that year. he said he would love to bat second. itself will nerve happen here. >> jim: 0-2. takes low. ball 1. >> reporter: for years, crowley told me tejada had one of the best swings he's ever seen. when i asked him today, he told me luke scott.

what he likes, he can cover lefties, righties. there was a question mark as to whether he could do lefties. he said the problem with luke why he's streaky, when he starts to feel pressure he tends to overreact at the plate. that's when the swing isn't so good. as far as how a swing looks, mechanics, he likes how luke is swinging now. >> jim: 2-2. one out, nobody on. that ball hit hard. there's zobrist who will get scott for the out. he got back into town after falling behind 0-2. he can't hit it much harder. scott retired for the second out out. most teams the orioles face employ the shift against luke scott. there's sonnanstine numbers against the orioles. orioles hope to exploit and hope that continues.

>> rob: speaking of shifts, they're doing it to wieters as well. >> jim: wieters outside, ball 1. there you see the shift. longoria the third baseman at short stop. bartlett the short stop on the second base side. zobrist in shallow right field. ball 2 inside. >> rob: this is more pronounced than last night. he's actually playing short stop. the amazing thing about the shift is wieters has shown he uses all the field. he pulls it foul. it's not as if he's the guy like luke scott where his reputation is pull, pull, pull. wieters will go with the pitch and hit the opposite way. last year, six of the nine home runs for opposite field. >> rob: we were wondering when he was going to pull the first

one. >> jim: 2-1 two outs none on. there's a breaking ball. good pitch by sonnanstine on relief of niemann. wieters has hit in each of the first two games in this series. he also has scored a run in each. each of the games have been multihit games. he's down on strikes. tonight we're covering the bases with garrett atkins, the the newest of the orioles. look at him as a youngster. you'll hear from atkins when we come back. [sound of waves crashing] [upbeat whistling in background] discover all that northwest florida has to offer. seventeen hidden beaches, one revealing destination. fly southwest's new nonstops from bwi airport to panama city beach starting at $99 one-way.

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obviously the hitting coach crowley heard about him and only good things from the guys in the locker room and guys upstairs. i knew he was the coach to help me get back to being the kind of player i wanted to be. >> jim: atkins talking about why he chose the orioles. he is the first baseman and third baseman, played more third base as a rocky.

did come up as a first baseman. drafted out of colorado by ucla where he was an outstanding player. now in the first season as the first baseman. he was the first of the two position players to sign. once tejada's done got d that day atkins became the first baseman. >> rob: it may surprise some people atkins told that he'd prefer playing first base. he was a first baseman at ucla. that was the position he really wanted to play. >> jim: we'll talk tonight with his high school baseball coach out in california. 2-2 on longoria who homered in

each game in this series. three for his last eight holds the count 3-2. gold glove last year, silver slugger award last year. foul behind third. >> rob: 473-foot home run the other night. that was the third longest here at the field. he hit this to the upper deck. >> jim: 24 years old in his third season facing brian matusz. another 3-2 bounced foul. there's no doubt about it, as valuable and as important as crawford and upton might be to the rays, this is longoria's team. there's no doubt about it. third year, last year just

monster numbers. 33 home runs, 113 rbis, 44 doubles. leadoff single. >> rob: tampa bay for the first time, leadoff plan on. >> jim: sunday orioles host the blue jays at camden yards. first 1000 fans receive the plush towel. sunday it's the orioles junior dugout. parents be sure to register your child. bring your bouncer for your member only special item. online at orioles.com. longoria gets on ahead of pena. pena one of two left-handed batters in the lineup tonight against matusz with the shift here. >> rob: tejada back at short stop. >> jim: pena three out of eight on the series. there's the shift. tejada back at short stop.

we have news. >> rob: he actually bunted down the third baseline the other day and got a hit. >> reporter: pena told me before the game you get excited to go up against a young pitcher you haven't seen and don't know a lot about. i asked when you do, that do you feel confident saying i have been in the show much longer? he said no, i have learned you can be humbled by the young pitchers. he said i'm going to gather as much information as i can. >> jim: he swings through that one. it's 0-2. brian matusz did face tampa bay last year, only once. he was the winning pitcher despite allowing four earned runs. pena down in the count 0-2. he

takes a high one. brian can walk you through every pitch of that game including the fact he gave up the three-run homer to zobrist. he'll tell you what he threw, where he was trying to put the ball and that reminds you so much of palmer. your just assume he's right. it's good he has the experience of having pitched here at tropicana field which is not exactly a place pitchers enjoy pitching. >> jim: breaking ball just missed. orioles won that game 8-7. >> rob: pena 1 out of 2 with a couple of rbis in that game. he did not start the game but came on as a pinch hitter and stayed in. we'll see what matt calls here.

2-2 on pena. just inside, another breaking ball. pena has worked the count full. see what maddon does with longoria. 3-2 with nobody down. >> jim: if you're the rays it's your benefit to be patient against brian matusz. dave trembley knows that. with the youngster on the mound they're going to try to make him work as much as possible. for the most part this is a veteran lineup against matusz. >> rob: they do tend to make the the pitcher get the pitch count up. >> jim: matusz got him.

pena can't catch up to it. i'm not sure pena was looking for another breaking ball. he swung very late on that ball. matusz hits the spot, strike out number two. pena swings through it. big, big out for matusz. upton now. >> rob: if you're a litter lit -- a hitter you don't know what to look for. out at second base is longoria. >> jim: twice in this game going on movement a ray's runner is caught by matusz. that retires longoria for the second out. >> rob: someone had the scouting report brian holds runners well. apparently that's not the case tonight. lugo twice has been able to

apply the tag. bases empty now. upton has not yet seen a pitch. fouled back. brian matusz last year won his final year starts. he didn't lose in the final fyffe. he was 4- 0 with no decision. in the final starts he pitched seven innings in each of the starts. towards the end of the year he began to put it all together and able to stay in there deep in games which is the the team early on, get as deep in games as you can and take the pressure off the bullpen. orioles' starters last year through the fewest innings of the american league. >> rob: i thought the kid was supposed to wear down as the evening went on. he was getting stronger and wanted to keep pitching.

>> jim: he was 16-4 last year where he was undefeated. two outs and nobody on. upton pops it. wieters trying to find it, locates it, has it for the out. we played 2 at the tropicana. no score.

orioles baseball brought to you by at&t. watch a free video. we mentioned jim palmer laryngitis. rob is sitting in. we wanted to see what joe angel was up to. he spends time on the radio side doing a good job. he's nice enough to join us this 3rd 3rd inning. >> how about brian matusz, 23 years of age, how much savvy does that kid have? the pickoff move, where did he pick that up? crawford an accomplished base stealer.

longoria going on movement. deep to left, that ball is gone! nolan reimold's first of year gives the orioles the 1-0 lead. >> joe: i love that kid. i love he got the hit. >> jim: how about the pressure rick dempsey put on him predicting a 40 home run season? he might be right. kid can hit. >> joe: all he's got to do is stay in the lineup. i love his swing. >> jim: brian matusz applauding his teammate who gave them a 1- 0 lead. orioles hit the first home run of the night. atkins has hit each game in the series. each base hit has been a double

. 1-1 the count on atkins batting with none out and none on. that goes right past sonnanstine. he gets out of the way. there at second base is zobrist for the out. niemann was knocked out by tejada's line drive. that almost got sonnanstine. >> joe: that's a good way, knock out the opposing team. it's tougher to get out of the way. sometimes that can work against you when the starting pitcher has to leave that early. the guy watched all the video, been watching niemann the entire day, and all of a sudden niemann is not pitching.

>> jim: we'd like to welcome attorney watch the nationals and phillies. welcome to tropicana field on masn field. jim hunter with rob and joe angel. jim palmer has lost his voice. we're making do tonight. lugo skies to right field towards the line. coming over is kapler, he makes makes the catch. this was the first batter of the 2nd inning. off the shoulder area of niemann, just below the shoulder blade threw a couple of warm-up tosses to tejada. niemann able to walk off.

he was forced out of the game. matusz two scoreless innings, allowed one hit and picked off two hitters. the the orioles have the 1-0 lead. >> joe: i thought that was interesting about tejada's reaction. initially i thought he was upset by the way things transpired that time. i think he was amazed the ball bounced right to pena and upset the ball didn't land some place else. >> rob: i'm sorry i hit the guy, but hey i need a hit. that's only a shoulder. >> joe: niemann is okay at least i think he's okay. >> jim: when you're tejada and have one hit in the series, you hit the ball that hard, you

want it to fall somewhere. you want roberts to find a hole out there somewhere. 2-1 the count. brian grounded out his first at bat. that off speed pitch is low. >> joe: we've seen it several times, roberts has gone after the first pitch. >> rob: 0-10, i'm surprised he had 10 at bats in two games. we haven't had a lot of 10 inning games. it shows they've had no problem getting on base. >> jim: orioles 3-21 the first two games hitting with runners in scoring position. dave trembley knows they're getting him on. now they have to get him on. we're listening to the blogger

extraordinary. joe angel visiting us here. >> joe: he's rusty. he gets on base. that's a good thing. sometimes a walk can get you going. >> rob: he will play in the home opener there's no doubt about that. he wants to be in the lineup. dave trembley wants him to be there. you know he'll have to sit one of the weekend games. >> joe: one thing roberts playings here indoors. he spends most the time on artificial dirt. it's easier than in the metro dome where it's all art official turf. >> jim: the mitch pitch is high. jim, joe, rob, amber with us as always. >> rob: i'm worried about amber. she might not need to stand behind the photographers there. >> joe: she