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it's entirety at 3:25 on c-span. "washington journal" con >> we want to welcome anne kornblut the book is called notes from the cracked ceiling helleri clinton is sarah palin and will take for a woman to win produce said 2008 was the opposite for women a severe letdown with damaging consequences how? >> guest: there was a perception before this election there was some kind of unified front a lot on

the women among the democratic party not a women's movement but they were united. hillary clinton did win a lot of women as the primary water on but when sarah palin was on the republican ticket she could not bring over democratic women or very many independent women rather than a groundswell we look at it splintered generational the across party lines even among women elected officials some who voted for obama or clinton. >> host: baguee june 2008 when clinton withdrew from the race and endorsed barack obama this is from washington d.c. >> although we were not able to shatter the glass ceiling this time, the banks do it

got about 80 million? in it. [inaudible. [applause] and the like to shining through like never before filling a solid the hopes in the knowledge that the path will be a little easier next time. >> host: aside from giving new a title for a book what did that mean talking with her brown the campaign? >> it was the culmination that what is her best the first time in the campaign where she talked about gender in a specific way and if you'll think about all of 2007 and 2008 when she was in the race should always are questions about being a woman running for president by saying i am not wanting because i am a woman in it and, running to be the first woman president but her

campaign and the reporting i did they said they should not to go with a gender speech they talked about it but then when barack obama gave his landmark speech on race they said there's no way we can talk about gender now but many people feel that was her best that she tapped into what it would have meant is she had been but with the campaign it would have been how would the former first lady or how would a clinton be president again. >> host: you say the casual approach was stunning. of the public would perceive a woman in high command, the mccain camp made a calculation based of course, leading to sarah palin. >> guest: they really did surprisingly little amount of research to pick her. remember what was going on

with the campaign at that point* obama looks like he would be ahead mccabe looked around a landscape and said who can i pick? tim pawlenty commented from the u.n. did joe lieberman but there would be over downside than they were warned they may be a revolt that the convention they said here is a hot in every respect young female governor of alaska. they did not have a chance to better as much as they would have liked but what they did not think about obviously in hindsight is the pitfall winning candidate's experience one of the main ones is they are scrutinized for their credentials were challenged about whether they are experienced enough to run in later that happened to her. >> host: she will speak at the first tea party

convention. >> guest: she is not going away and people want to know she will run for president? i don't know she would have a right to given the issue was on the ticket last time and it would not be surprising if she said i have as good a shot as anybody. >> host: on "the new york times" best seller list shoes also on the oprah winfrey show in talks about the cbs katie couric interviewed. >> we have a vast resources it does not like it is another country had yuki been in touch with washington d.c. when you live there in alaska. we have a microcosm of america. >> why did you name books or magazines? >> obviously i have of course, of my life. i am a lover of books and magazines and newspapers

even though it was early in the interview i was already feeling it was very unprofessional i felt like a yearly asking me this it was in the context of do you read it seem like she was discovering a nomadic tribe some neanderthal cave in alaska how are you in touch with the real world that is how i took the question i rolled i eyes and was annoyed with the question and i said this is a problem with the state of journalism to no matter what i say to her it will probably be twisted and perceived as a bit negative. >> host: what was happening within that campaign during that moment? >> guest: that early on she noted how early it was there were divisions within the mccain campaign starting almost immediately

within a couple of weeks. she says she was annoyed with the question of course, politicians get asked questions that are annoying all the time and she was at that at that point* with the same was true with her preparation to get ready with some of her interviews some of the aide said she refused to prepare and built up a lot of resentment within the campaign and hostility broke out that we still see to this day. the provide good title of her book going broke she was trying to break away from the mccain shell and bubble and she went completely off the reservation and she did not understand what it took to run the vice presidency. i look specifically at some of said gender aspects of that and she failed to understand by now preparing

for these interviews any misstep she may make should have the added layer of questioning and criticism. a young woman and she would have to answer what books and magazines she read to prove she was qualified even though she was a governor that should speak for itself. that is nothing they could fully appreciate until it hit them. >> host: we will take your calls in the book by her conscious and not known and started to lose her bearings. guest: it was >> guest: she does not have that many allies then the mccain campaign by the time it was over but i could find a few. some says she came in incredibly confident if not in her mastery of everything knowledge wiser the ability

to perform to wing it and the charismatic linda especially with the katie couric interviewed she really started to lose that natural talent being in the national glare being inundated with criticisms and ridiculed by tina fey started to add up even the most fundamental questions would underfur and we saw that as the campaign wore on. >> host: we're on with a caller from indiana. >> caller: you start of program out with two leftist journalist and end with the leftist journalist and i can prove this in anything this woman would say about sarah palin is not credible at all. these are washington d.c. tangles the first two people were msnbc hangouts.

>> host: i have to disagree. >> caller: i don't care what you have to do. "the new york times" the review this girl the book review how many books has override the had never reviewed? it is just a bunch of leftist garbage. >> host: do have a question? >> caller: she is not even incredible to question. >> host: thank you for the call. >> caller: i am not left this i am nonpartisan. >> caller: happy new year i hate to have to follow that call. but i do want to give a little background. irate them and will always be a very strong supporter of secretary of state hillary clinton.

you can tell by my voice i am rather passionate. i am also educated. i am also middle-class in my work experience and by wealth and i am also a very much of a supporter of civil rights it was a corporate recruiter for many years working with affirmative-action recruiting. i don't want anybody to think because i back hillary clinton that i am a racist or i am a class of person that can't think for themselves. so let me say after the iowa primary we went to new hampshire. at that time, a woman of strong intelligence and

skills asked how did she do it all? how could she worked as hard as she was working to try to win the into everything she was trying to do and she was caught off guard. by the questions and horizon orchard a little bit and the whole world started to say she was a cryer. >> host: we have that moment why don't we show that moment that you are talking about and we will get the reaction. >> it is not easy. i could not do it buy passionately did not believe it was the right thing to do. and have so many opportunities from this country i know what to see us fall backwards. [applause]

this is very personal for me. it is not just political or public. i see what is happening. we have two reverse it. some people think elections are a game who was up four who is down. but it is about our country, our kids future future, all of us together some of us better sells out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds. we do it each one of us because we care about our country tour. >> guest: that was one of the most compelling moments into the caller's point* there were a lot of people who rallied around her with the moment that she choked up she did not cry. it is easy to forget one day before that she was in a debate in new hampshire and

barack obama said the question about her likability and obama's said you are likable enough. he was joking of course, but he did not look at her and some people thought that was dismissive then a few-- later there is a lot of criticism saying she was finished it was over and there was a sense there was an uprising some women came from out of state one of the first moments running for president she was a woman who was being dismissed and female voters would not stand for it. >> host: we have the independent line. good morning. >> caller: i have a question for your guest it seemed to me during your campaign in the primary the main difference between

president obama and hillary clinton was his vote on the war effort where he voted against it and she voted ultimately for it. imus just wondering if she thinks that plays into the loss of the primaries? >> guest: great question of. i would say absolutely she had been thinking about running for many years arguably as far back as the iraq war broke in thinking of running for president, she and her advisers thought about how would she have to be as national security? not that she did not believe in her broker convictions but there was a constant awareness running for office as a democrat will manage two 1/2 to demonstrate herself alternately that did not work in the democratic primary it would think how things to be different if

she voted against the war maybe it was not leaving give obama the opening about the book "notes from the cracked ceiling" . >> per moment as nonsincere, that i doubt. 51 i agree it was not phonate not somebody who has ever enjoyed weakness i interviewed risers around her who after that moment they thought it was over immediately the blackberry's we're going off they just lost the iowa caucasus preparing their resignation letters and she said i should weakness isn't over can i recovered? of course, to the contrary some people felt she was human in a way she had not been it was a real emotion so it worked to their advantage when they expected it might.

>> host: with sarah palin u.s said if it can is the thrust of the question of sexism back into the spotlight it was with a twist. heard good looks were problematic in their own right as superficial but that really was a liability in political terms. >> guest: her attractiveness was part of her appeal and what caught everybody's i remember the buttons the hot vice president buttons but very quickly the nickname caribou barbie started to take off a derisive nickname that she tried to play with and make fun of but it did not work for our her. talking to strategist after the campaign this is a well-known phenomenon that women who were very attractive, crossed the threshold of the beauty queen level can suffer as perhaps not being up to the

job one example in michigan when jennifer grant who was running for governor heard risers spoke to her television ads be morale voters said she is just too pretty to be governor. is she's smart? say we shot them in black and white and still photos to give the impression she was a more serious person. this is not less than the mccain campaign have learned or heard of and at the end of the day the question never intelligence or the katie couric interviewed combined with her looks and later you add on top of that her clothing were wardrobe for shopping and altogether you wind up with an awful stereotype of a bimbo who was out shopping rather than preparing to be vice president. >> host: why did you write this book? to mack started to think about it when we've heard

the year of the woman with the exclamation point at the end. yes two women ran the ultimately they were losing clinton have lost and it looked like mccain would not win i that we should examine what happened this is the first time we have had to women run at this level, much had to do with gender? i conclude that there were other aspects that were worth exploring so that down the road we could have uneducated discussion what part of gender or something else. >> host: what is one thing that you learned? let's go to florida on the republican in line. good morning. >> caller: i was wondering if you could comment most men in america did not vote for hillary clinton even if they were democrat or

independent because she is of likable and perceived as hanging on to her husband to was the adulterer just because she had her eyes on the presidency herself. they have a woman like sarah palin who comes along and she is an honest person. she is right and attractive i think you're dead wrong on this that her intractability detracted from her capability to win. there are pretty women who are braked and -- bright and capable the more so a woman who was pro-life who thinks abortion is killing babies. and against homosexual marriage and a born-again christian. these are the attributes that i think anyone male or female in america and the majority of americans are

looking for in a candidate. it was more so that hillary clinton is pro abortion, in bed with the gays and lesbians just because she wants the white house so bad and she knows they are a voting bloc. the sarah palin u.s. morals and values and beauty. >> guest: there are two really great points one is that the attractiveness can be the asset it does not have to be a negative for a candidate but it is usually among women what they found in focus groups and that men are all for it but the female voters say how does she look so great and care for her children and do her job? i can't do it so that some of the reason why in sheer political terms i'm not saying being more pretty makes for less intelligent but in the interpretation but the other good point*

that you made caller is party often does trump a gender. they have found that very rarely do people who disagree on the social issues like abortion crossover just because there is a woman on the ticket. was never likely the mccain ticket would pull over democratic women just four sarah palin and just the opposite was true it was not in the cards from the outset. >> host: we're talking with anne kornblut from "the washington post" and before that "the new york times" and "boston globe" her book is called "notes from the cracked ceiling" the next caller is on the independent labour code good morning. >> caller: i agree with you. that hillary clinton voted for the war in iraq probably destroyed her chances to be president and also being

influenced by her husband wanted to be politically correct i think that caused her the presidency. sarah palin? she probably could be a good candidate for the republican party she has all of the values the party stands for and i think she would be a good candidate. barack obama common at many americans enough fighting al qaeda or the economy but they're fighting and because who he is. they probably need somebody who looks like them and they would be happier who is a republican. thank you. >> host: do you think sarah palin will run in 2012? >> guest: i will not try to get inside her head but we believe she has good reason to and candidates

find it irresistible when they have the base urging them to run so we would not be surprised. >> host: the independent line from tennessee. >> caller: listening to the most recent callers believe from brentwood that mentioned the fact she did not want to be considered a racist as an african-american who supported him three clinton i definitely would not say anything against her support of hillary clinton. she had a lot of african-american supporters i don't think that is an issue. i don't know with this whole phenomenon women can win as

long as we have the notion that because of gender there is something wrong with the candidacy. there is something wrong. it is kind of disheartening because we're losing talent and committed individuals who happen to be women. >> host: nephews your point* and go back to abuse say in the conclusion of your book quoting secretary of state clinton was after she became part of the obama administration "i am not going to pretend they're running for president as a woman is not daunting. it is daunting. and it is probably a path that does not appeal because it is so difficult but there will be a woman who will be able to achieve that. >> guest: she has been very cautious not send secretary of state but before she was running when she got the questioning can

anyone men wind? her answer was we will not know until we try that leads you to wonder if he is the answer know because she lost? the caller makes a good point* there is something disheartening before i covered the clinton campaign than a little bit of the palin's campaign it seems we have a female house speaker and supreme court and pretty much everywhere but when i started to do the research and congress i was surprised to find less than one-fifth of how many women have run for governor or senator. i was a little dispirited in ways that i did not think i would be. >> host: one of the women 25 years ago the only vice presidential debate geraldine ferraro then vice

president george herbert walker bush is the mack let me help you with a difference between iran and the embassy in lebanon. iran we were held by a foreign government. in lebanon you had a terrorist action were the governmental posted. >> let me say first of all, i almost present vice president bush your patronizing attitude about foreign policy a been a member of congress for six years i was there when the embassy was held hostage and i have been there and i have seen what has happened in the past several months of your administration in. second laid please don't categories my answers leave the interpretation of my answers to the american people who were watching this debate. >> guest: and early example of what hillary clinton and thought she had to confront as well which is a woman needing to prove she

understands foreign policy and can be tough for i had an interesting interview with geraldine where she talks about her daughter and what it meant for her to run and then hillary clinton who she is a big supporter but on tuesday she spoke to her daughter and after did you vote? who did you vote for? her own a daughter had voted for barack obama and represented she had a good sense of humor about it but she says she was crazy that her own daughter representitive generational split were some did go for hillary clinton but just as many did not. >> host: at illinois from the republican maligned. >> caller: good morning. i have been listening to this ms. kornblut and she has called sarah palin a bimbo and has given hillary

clinton praised then says she is not partisan. the reason that i think you have that to coast and then the center part of the nation. sarah palin represented most the at common everyday person. this is a person mayor of a town than was put into the governorship because of her own work and what she had done. hillary clinton and barack obama had machines behind them. it was all theatrics. that is what most of the campaigns are any more. >> host: do think sarah palin will run doors should run in 2012? >> guest: i think she will try. when she announced the vice presidency the press and the democratic party sent up 44

lawyers to dig up any little thing it will be insurmountable for her to overcome the press and the liberals and with the attack on her. >> host: what is the difference between somebody like sarah palin or go back to dan quayle who was relatively unknown horror 1984 with geraldine ferraro was placed on to the stage is there a difference? >> >> caller: not that much difference with a new person coming onto the scene but there is no old money behind her. no old money or politics behind her that the nuances of word from new york that they know the tricks of the game. >> host: at correct

correct -- good point to one i did not call her a bimbo the point* was making that people called her a bimbo in the campaign but i actually take a pretty sympathetic look at her with the book i have just written to seven with her being on the national stage from relative obscurity is it any different with her? >> guest: president former president bush was sitting in the white house and the republican convention was going on he got the news like everybody else who was picked and he was just as surprised but he said to dana perino she does not know what is about to hit her thinking of his own experience but somebody who knows out of politics but coming have no where there is no one who could have survived it easily it would be tough no matter what.

>> host: he remarked was she the governor of guam? [laughter] >> guest: i think that was in another book. what surprised you the most in researching the book? >> guest: what has been hard for women to run had surprised me. i thought that was in the past. that identity politics is still alive as it was. i was surprised she reacted as strongly one incident there was a tv commentator that chelsea clinton calling donors was being picked out from the msnbc. the campaign heard about so many things it was hard to imagine day care about that

but senator clinton got very upset on a conference call she got very steely and angry and one incident fairly late in the campaign that got her emotions and private which is not i would expected considering how much she had survived. >> host: collar? good morning. >> caller: give me one second to give perspective. world war ii paratrooper jumped in normandy i fought until the end hillary clinton has not president today because she voted for the iraq war and that was a cover your ass both because she was talking running for president she showed exactly what we have four politicians debated is called -- care about getting

elected she did not care she was voting to send soldiers to be killed or maimed for life for did not care what would happen to our treasury. she cared about precluding the republicans from attackinger for being soft on terror or not voting for the war. today mrs. five she is not president today and deserves it. originally i was a supporter of her until she cast in the late political cover your ass vote. thank you to one i would certainly allow and every politician's career there are political considerations there is no way to prove her motivation that was back before she was running for reelection even to the senate but what i will say from her advisers, she is

naturally fairly hawkish on defense we saw in the book afghanistan review policies she was the advocate of sending in more troops when others were not. maybe it was political but also may be what she believed. >> host: you write hillary clinton and sarah palin not just that they lost that they lost in such a resounding devastating way. there candidacies of east berlin's strains of sexism across the country that many thought were already eradicated. >> guest: absolutely. i thought they did not exist growing up with a younger generation i that we were pretty much passed in the business of this and ridicule and derisive now is that both of them endured. when it covered both campaigns i did not think you could cover clinton or

pay land and sea anything end common two-seat our share almost no voters but the level of response in the intensity is so polarizing and if you look at the three most senior women in elective politics today more visible women with pelosi and clinton and palin all of them are extremely polarizing and is that a coincidence? >> host: when the clintons weren't charged they sold out to wall street and look at what happened. i let that stand. but that was a factor. >> no question. obviously first lady for eight years that gave her the stature and name recognition to run for the senate floor new york and when she was running in the primary she talked about

clinton cleaning up after a bush that was part of the fund-raising effort of course, the downsize days the downside was also from young female voters we were taught to get to places on our own way 1219 candidate who got there on her own not a president who did not see her rights as part of her attributes and as the campaign wore on and has been made inflammatory remarks and alienated the base he became a liability as well. >> host: good morning. >> caller: it has been a while since i have talked with you. after this morning i would like to say a few things, steve. i will be touching on women for sure. as saying non negative native american and i would love to see condoleezza rice

be our president she would be the only one qualified to be president and i might add she is pretty dark skinned. >> host: i will stop you on that point* because to refer to hurt you when i interviewed her we had a long and interesting interview. a lot of people like the caller who would like to see her run but i am doubtful she will provide thing she has seen up close how difficult that is she has never run for elective office of that with would be huge with presidency but she said as she watched the democratic primary from the distance she had no horse in the race but was not surprised she said they crossed the bar on race but on gender we had a ways to go it was clear that she often felt as a woman things

weren't tougher than african-american but if i had a penny for every person told me they wish condoleezza rice would run. >> host: go ahead caller. >> caller: i was not a white liberal college kid that would with the flags at me they were mentally castrated and the media by the college kids but i want to say one thing before we get to hillary clinton is when it comes to walter cronkite and i think he has of blood of a lot of american kids on his hands let's get to hillary clinton. i worked at the post office of course, there was affirmative action and they were supposed to be directed four mail blacks to help keep the black families

together a lot of these guys read the post office for years but now they were not allowed to percolate to the job to get a supervise serve position but in reality we had a bunch of college girls start to come in and we had college girls with six months in but they were a so-called designated minority. >> host: we only have one minute left please give your question or we move on. >> caller: but i want to point* out, i am sorry. i lost do. policy mills are getting the jobs and the blacks are not giving good jobs even though they had more experience believe me when you bring in an experienced people no matter how smart

it does not matter if they will screw it up >> guest: race immerses gender is almost on possible to untangle identity politics have been an issue for many decades and will continue to me. >> host: if sarah palin to say politically relevance in and she's still actually be in position? >> guest: last time it was a question of her credentials and qualifications this would be about her staying power and commitment. >> host: what does it take for a woman to win? >> guest: conventional wisdom it will take the right woman and it will probably take some time have not sarah palin and 2012 then obviously at least 2016 or 2020 quite a ways off. >> host: anne kornblut and

her book "notes from the cracked ceiling" hillary clinton, sarah palin, and what it will take for a woman to win" from crown publishing. thank you for joining us and come back again. >> good afternoon welcome to the cato institute by the vice president for research here at cato and my

privilege to welcome you here to a forum on the new book by a teetwo "the science of liberty" democracy, reason, and the laws of nature" the copy is outside available for purchase. you may be able to guess by the title and subtitle something about the book's thesis but i will give you a better and from the opening pages "the democratic revolution of the 18th century was caused by the scientific revolution and science continues to empower political freedom today. not just that the creativity has produced technological improvement that is part of the scientific nation although that is part of the story, but the freedoms protected by liberal democracies are essentials to facilitating and currie and democracy itself is an experimental system without which either side nor

liberty can flourish. a book with such diseases can be written and the argument can be so generally persuasive as evidenced the only thing more unpredictable than the future is the past. when i was growing up in the 1960's the received wisdom was the relationship between science and human freedom was adversarial as the progress with scions went hand in hand with the freedom after all this was the distinct age in which the early goings was dominated by soviet communism and while america representing the free world eventually came on strong it did not help the top rocket scientist at his start making missiles for hitler and it was the computer age of the connotation was completely different with

the i am mainframes that were simple rules and enablers of the power and in psychology it was the heyday of behavior is some and the general sense was a setup -- society organized for people were manipulated by a technocrats like firebrats in a maze. it was our the motivated the great novel and movie of that time the clockwork orange that showed how a technological society was reducing human beings to mere mechanisms been the only apparent freedom was in mindless by less. my health things have changed for the better. the soviet union has collapsed and the pretense of the scientific socialism, behavior is them was overthrown by the cognitive revolution with the ada human beings learn nothing but a glorified windup toys in this space-age is a museum piece

for love to take our kids to see down at the mall. and the computer age is about decentralization and deliberation. and our current setting it is much easier to see the truth of the basic story timothy ferris wants to tell. the revolutions were deeply intertwined and involve overlapping cast of characters. that the discovery process of science with the decentralize competition of theories directed by the feedback of experimental results have the analog in both aspects of liberal democracy first the liberal side which was called the discovery process directed by the feedback of profit and loss and the democratic side with the process of politics against the coalition's of the feedback of elections and thus there

are big reasons for concluding all three process sees which share, and georgians and deep character are part of a larger common phenomenon that we know as the free society to develop the thesis further we have the author of timothy ferris who has made for himself a glittering reputation as a best-selling an award winning science writer. his previous books include seeing in the dark which was named a "new york times" best book of the year and low whole shebang listed one of the most influential books of the 20th century. he has taught and five disciplines up for universities and emeritus professor at berkeley and former editor of rolling stone. written articles and essays including "the new yorker" and "vanity fair" "national

geographic" "scientific american" and has made three prime time pbs television specials. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming timothy ferris. [applause] >> thank you so much i will attempt to use a power point* presentation it is a technology you may recall was blamed in part by one unofficial government report by destroying the culture of excellence at nasa. and also this is a talk designed to take 45 minutes that we will do it and 20 so we will speed through there's a symbiotic relationship between science and liberalism. i will quickly define my terms. by scions i mean was sometimes is called modern science. that is to say the entire

social institution of the scientific establishment that has university departments and laboratories and referee journal's and scientific conferences but in the book i am not concerned with house science originated i think any toolmaking species that keeps it at a critical point* will inevitably develop science but that is not part of the argument here today. i do want to avoid going back and cherry picking the occasional scholar who today did something that looks scientific and attributing greater achievements to that time and place. that is interesting historically but not very helpful when you look at the interaction of science and democracies today there has never been in history anything like the scientific establishment we have today and it does have the math bid despite the efforts of

millions to say otherwise but you do have an idea and instead of just testing in by the internal logic or against other competing ideas which aristotle identified the lead to ways to evaluate before scions you conducted experiments and based on that, that is where the tools, you do have to have technology then you made a firm revise or deny the hypophysis. that really is how science works as far as i can tell over the 40 years to cover its although many people think otherwise. too quickly give you an example when a croatian that accurately describes the behavior of the electron in every respect a beautiful piece of work but there ought to be the anti-electrons something nobody had never heard of.

trying to make as little of it as possible then when it was found out did not know was in the paper a few years earlier so it is affirmed. liberalism might have the classical liberalism but in my opinion like science it is not a term that benefits from modifiers of think there is no need to talk about classical liberalism it is in the bill of rights so that is what i talk about that is what i mean. one reason americans have had problems figuring out where various opinions like liberalism might lie on the political spectrum for some reason we have a tradition to look at politics in terms of a one-dimensional left to right spectrum but in science, it is sort of like

the question that involve favorites like what is your favorite to take this entire field and reduce it to one dimension? to was the greatest athlete in the world? that is a one-dimensional analysis. it is not enough to mention so this happens all the time this is a one-dimensional version of a photograph. if you add a dimension that looks like that so it is quite common to take problems to say maybe the confusion is we don't have enough dimensions. you can go tenors 24 dimensions and mathematically go 10,000 more. i would revert to view the old lady it is better to look at politics in two dimensions that details don't matter this opposes progressive conservative is

some am liberal and totalitarianism. you can think you are better with two dimensions to understand political orientation. liberalism does have in common the construct of experiments that is inherent into the system every active legislation is an experimental this is not the way we talk about it but the founders did the second inaugural is one of the many documents to talk about american independence and with regard to freedom of speech seldom has anyone been but not only did the administration survived the reelected. but to make it work in scientific terms you have to analyze the terms and we have not been so good at

that so the tendency to do the first two steps to leave those that are not working still around there has been the government on levels to approve the third step to spend increasing amounts of money that doesn't does not work i would say it is symbiotic self correcting social activity that has resurfaces that day both put a stress on universal public education with liberalism from the beginning i argue the enlightenment that if we had more airtime i would go into but i would like to note the musing fact newspapers began a large

major with the scientific discoveries is pursuing the galileo observations. also coming into europe from turkey and it was a combination of newspapers and coffee houses that proved in every jurisdiction for what they rose every leader from cairo to london wanted to suppress coffee houses once they would read and talk and discover and is not just them that they think the government is off base. [laughter] all of those efforts failed fortunately. this combination of science and liberalism has a number in the book that i try to boil down to what i think they're fairly universal when it is good for people to have like health and wealth and happiness.