>> rob: just because you have all these pitches, you don't need -- especially in this game -- that dictates to go out there and throw them all. sometimes we catch k-rod throw to get three outs. >> rob: a lot of time six batters. bases loaded. nobody scores. >> bob: 3-0 here. i think we would love to see ryan zimmerman bat again. just a shame the nats couldn't keep the marlins down after that four. run 3rd. three other innings in which they scored. two of them crooked numbers.

3-1 pitch. kennedy hooks its hard, foul. one strike away from jumping over .500. [ cheers and applause ] a couple thousand folks making lots of noise. [ cheers and applause ] >> bob: 3-2 to kennedy. in the air, out behind second base. fighting sun -- maybin. [ cheers and applause ] series over. and the marlins take 2 out of 3, 2:50 today. a 9-3 verdict over the nats. more in a moment. big news! we have another way to help you save.

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>> johnny: hi, everybody, johnny holliday with ray knight. the marlins win 9-3 and again, ray, the pitching wasn't there. >> ray: he threw his first 18 pitches, 17 of them were fast balls and he never settled in on his changeup for a breaking ball later in the game. >> johnny: not a lot of hits for ballclub. they lose it. we'll have "nats xtra" in a moment. let's go to bob and rob. >> bob: thank you, johnny holliday. marlins win 9-3 to take the series 2-1. for rob dibble and debbi taylor, bob carpenter. tune in tuesday. masn 2 hd, nats-braves. we'll have "nats xtra" at the ballpark at 6:30. this has been a presentation of masn. stay tuned. verizon fios "nats xtra" can with johnny and ray. so long for just awhile.

>> johnny: welcome. johnny holliday and ray knight, brought to you by verizon fios. the marlins get their first series win in two weeks and of all times to awaken a giant, they had to come alive against the giants. they win 9-3. let's look at the ball club. they're 13-12. florida also 13-12. >> ray: nats never played well down there. >> johnny: they really haven't. >> ray: it's one of the worst to play for our ball club, no question. lannan started off -- what i was trying to say earlier -- 18

of his first 20 were fastballs for strikes and first slider he throw, he hits carroll in foot with the first slider he throws so i'm not sure why he threw so many fastballs early. he was very effective. he had a tough time throwing where he wanted to. >> johnny: nats were up but the loss began in the 3rd. >> ray: after the hit-by pitch and a single, he walked it down, gets it up a little bit, 6 inches in and 6-inches up. hanley hit the ball. wind must have been blowing out. finaller was drifting and gets to the ball -- would have had it if it stay in the park. but big three-run home run. they put four on the board in that 3rd inning. >> johnny: the marlins have 13 base hits. the big innings -- the 3rd, 5th, and 8th. nationals, six hits after four last night and lose by a score of 9-3. johnson goes to 3-1 and

has yet to lose against the nationals. 6-0. john lannan falls to 1-2 on the year. zimmerman for the nat with 1 for 3, scored run and had a double. desmond, rbi. 1 for 4 with a double and hanley ramirez had the big stick for the marlins, two home runs, 3 for 5, four rbis, and dan uggla, 2 for 4 and scored a run so florida wins it. the nationals happy to get out of there, i guarantee you, and get home to the friendly confines of national parks on tuesday night. >> ray: i know they're ready to go home. unsleep in your own bed and your team gets more consistent and they won't have to face josh johnson. he was one of the four or five best in the league once he got settled in after the 2nd inning. he was lights out. no chance. he was 97 miles per hour, johnny, punched out a lot of people. we have the gun to strike out a lot, which we did last year. i don't believe this lineup is

that kind of lineup. i believe we're more of a contact kind of lineup, especially when you have rodriguez in there and adam kennedy. but, boy, we struck out a lot. >> johnny: let's go outside the nationals clubhouse. jim riggleman -- the frustrating thing about these last two ball games is every one of these three against florida, your ball club jump off to an early lead and had the lead in all three games. >> yeah. you know, that's pretty tough guy there they were facing there today and he was throwing good and we put two on the board real quick so, you know, i look at the glass as half full. i'm glad to show we can score off the top pitchers. yesterday the guy was outstanding and as you said, we put one on the board quick but, you know, they have a good ballclub and got our guy. >> ray: after 25 ball games, jim -- i will stay away from questions on the game -- ready to get home. but the assessment of the club

over 25 games? >> i'm real happy with the ball club, ray. these guys play hard and, and i like the fact they're irritate in that clubhouse right now. when you have guy that brush it off and say, okay, you know, no big deal, we'll get them tomorrow -- that doesn't fly. they're irritated they lost and i don't think they want an off day. i think they want to to it up tomorrow. >> johnny: i think that's what you like to see, isn't it, the fact -- >> absolutely. >> johnny: -- they're not happy to lose a game. >> yeah. it irritates them to lose ball games because they know that we can play with these ball clubs now and, you know, you lose a couple. but they understand. you know, it's gonna happen. you will lose some ball games. i like the fact they don't just brush it off. >> johnny: jim, thank you very much. have a safe trip. see you on tuesday. >> okay, thank you. >> johnny: you bet. jim riggleman in miami. ed-3 the final to -- 9-3 final today. that was a different attitude than the guy in the clubhouse

not happy to lose today. >> ray: well, one through 25, i can assure you quite a few weren't happy to lose but some took it in stride. you know, backing up to the table and win and collect your money. that's not going to happen with in ballclub. you know, they have a -- they have established a winning habit. they ran into two or three tough pitchers and that's going to happen. pitchers will shut you down. we have to play a little more crisp baseball and get more clutch base hits. difficult to do when you've got that kind of pitch on the mound. >> johnny: as the skipper talked about, josh johnson tough to face today almost let's go down to south florida. bob and rob fixing his tie. it was a tough outing not only today but last night, a couple of big, tall power forward, bob. >> bob: yeah, you know, johnny, we have talked about the young sluggers this team has. maybe baseball doesn't pay enough attention to the young arms the marlins have had.

they have not always been consistent from start to start. i think johnson has made that transition. volstad was gratulates night and josh just about as good today. >> rob: that's what we hope about stephen strasburg. it may not be this year or next year but when he's in his prime, we hope he is as good as josh johnson in his prime. when he is working, 95-mile-per- hour fastball, establish the inner and outer portions of the plate and then he feature in a sinker at the end of o this outing. seemed to get stronger. i think he got more lock in as the game went on and then caught the lead. for those pitches, you get the strikeouts and had some walks and as you said, if he wasn't getting squeezed so hard, he may have been a little more tough. that's why think the nationals, that may be the one thing that is missing from this equation, is that a guy like josh johnson is not on this staff and if you get a guy like that and go with some of the other guy that are complementary, it will be a

heck of a team. >> bob: when you run into good pitching, you see what happened to nationals this weekend. willingham struggling all of a sudden. and then from willingham on down to the bottom of the lineup, there's very little offense not generated right now. ian desmond had an rbi today but other than ryan zimmerman and adam dunn, nobody east really driving in a whole lot of runs right now. >> johnny: well, there's no better way to change than than though get home on tuesday night. >> bob: we're coming home. see you then. >> bob: -- >> johnny: we're waiting for you. when you look at john's outing, ray, he went seven innings against milwaukee. back to back 6 inning games after that and struggled in the 5th but started like a house of fire in the first couple of innings. >> ray: he did and threw nothing but strikes. maybin, a tap l back in. hanley, grounder to second base. you see all the fastballs but a lot of things -- uggla into the

ground at third. ross does the same thing. and he threw 20 of 22 pitches fastballs. that was the first breaking ball he throws. he's not going to have command over there. there's another cutter. not in command then. the fastball starts to get over the plate. you see it right over the middle of the plate -- up. these pitches are fastballs up as oppose to the ball going down and away from the right- hand hitters. whatat it ended up being was just a tale of three innings. the first two, going a lot of strikes. the next one, a lot of pitches up. here's a little ball to left field off the bat. it was also up. there's another base hit. it was also up. and ross doubles on a ball that just crushes over the middle of the plate. carroll doubles on a hang breaking ball right over the middle of the plate. what do you see, john? nothing but pitches up. there's a strikeout to johnson

taking but lannan has to be fine. he may have to be more fine than any pitcher we have. by that i mean throw to the edges of the plate. he did that the first two innings with just his fastball. when he used his other complementary pitches, he wasn't throwing that over for strikes and went to the fastball and lost fennels of the plate, left the ball over the mill of the plate and that was -- >> johnny: ramirez will take you deep as he did today in the 4th inning in that four-run 4th. one home run, struck out two, walked three, six earned runs, nine hits in five innings. 88 pitches and 53 strikes. career-wise against florida, 2- 2. how good was josh johnson? pretty darn good. struck out eight nationals. we'll talk about him when ray and i come back in a minute. [ male announcer ] looking for a price that starts low

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the ball club lost to the marlins 9-3. look at the upcoming schedule. the braves are in town for a game on tuesday, wednesday, and thursday. first chance to see them and then marlins come back up here for a big weekend series next weekend. ray and i will be with you for all those series. a lead of 2-0 in the 2nd inning. that was the only inning they scored until a run in the top of the 9th. >> ray: the pitcher of josh johnson, you have to put him away. willing happ and harris walked. desmond doubles on a breaking ball. two runs in. willingham scores, harris to third. lannan ground out.

you know josh johnson hasn't given up more than three run in the career. they have a chance to put the ball game away because he won't give up any. >> johnny: i wasn't a math major, nor was any school -- look at the numbers. >> ray: games are won late by defense and clutch hits. that shows is last year there were so many ball games that we were blown out early. a couple games this year we have been blown out with people scoring eight in one inning and five and four in another to put us down. so we have been able to stay in ball games early to create a situation that hopefully the pitcher is not deep in the pitch count and can get onto that principle to allow us to get to clippard and to capps late in the ball game. we're not putting up the runs

last year when we had over five runs game in the last half of the season. >> johnny: when you face josh johnson and have a 2-0 lead in the 2nd -- through the bottom of the 3rd inning -- you have to take him out early to get up on them. >> ray: well, you do. when you have him in trouble, he walked. he was having a tough time with his control but witness he find it, he's got that sinker he throws 97, very difficult to see. he talked about how easy the delivery is when he was there throwing 99 miles per hour, strike out eight guys and not doing anything. we got three hits early. walk two men early, which built the inning. >> johnny: look at johnson. six inning, gets the win. three hits, only two earned runs, walked four, struck out eight, kept the ball in the ballpark 63 of 98 pitches were

strikes. nationals only got six hits today. adam kennedy said this guy, johnson, was a tough customer. >> debbi: jim said you're irritate and you don't like to win in this clubhouse -- what's the attitude? >> we have been playing all right but last couple of days, offense hasn't been going so take a breather tomorrow and get them on tuesday. >> debbi: any exexplanation for lack of contact? >> nope. >> debbi: so just regroup tuesday? >> yeah. try to get them then. >> >> debbi: okay. >> johnny: he wants to get out of there and get back home. get back to work on tuesday. >> ray: everything is built around winning. i have often said -- it's the fourth year on the show -- it took me two wins to get over one loss.

it just beat you to death when you lose, especially when you have won most of your life and a lot of these guys have. >> johnny: the nationals made a little move late in the ball game when adam dunn got a base hit and driving in to zimmerman. >> ray: yeah, after kennedy hit a rocket to left field. zim drives ball deep to right center field and adam comes through just driving right through the shift. finally finding a hole. several groundball that way. and we actually plated a run there. maxwell pinch hit and walked but desmond struck out. gallon everybody interest in what strasburg did against the altoona team on the hill for harrisburg. we'll come back and tell you how he fared as nats xtra postgame rolls on the heels of a 9-3 loss to florida.

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out how. johnny holliday with the silver fox, ray knight. here's what stephen strasburg did. altoona heeding harrisburg at the top of the 6th. strasburg, six hit, three earned walk, struck out four. his e.r.a. 1.64. ray, you have said there's going to be some rough times for young guy who has pitched at the college level until this year. >> ray: he's pitching against the best hitters and prospects and all of the us of a. somebody will pitch giddy. he's not the best ever in the history of the world. some think maybe if he's is i'm good enough to handle him. you don't know what the situation was. it seems like it was raining and he had several starts but i know this, johnny. pitch in the minor leagues, you have a different situation every time you take the mound because the mound are not consistent. they don't have the same slope.

they don't have the same feel. and i've seen guys throw three or four great game in a row and go to a mound they were not comfortable on and have problems over the plate. i'm not make an excuse. >> johnny: the fact of reality. john lannan had tough types against florida. debbi taylor ask evidence john to astress his performance today. >> i felt good in the start and then i started pitching hisses on the outside corner and -- started pitching misses on the outside corner and i had the inning where it blows up in my face. i got to erase that. >> debbi: did you use all your purchase or did something was missing? >> no, all my pitches felt good. slider, changeup and both my fastballs. it wasn't anything missing. you know, i just struggled to making pitches consistently. >> is there any comment as to why that happened? >> you know what?

not really. the walks get you. hit that batter in the 2nd to lead off the inning. besides that, you know, balls that kind of come back over the middle of the plate and hittable balls and, you know, i have to live on that corner. i'm not throwing hard enough to blow by guys and meet the ball in the middle. those balls that are hit are hittable ball that they put in play. just got to work down and -- on the corners. >> are you getting frustrate with that? being close and then all of a sudden -- >> yeah, obvious it's frustrating. keep on working at it. it's a long season. it's only been six starts. plenty more coming. >> rob >> go ahead. >> debbi: what do you do inbetween starts? >> phil: take tomorrow off and regular routine -- buy pen on thursday and getting ready for wednesday. i don't even know when. i'm getting ready for my next start. >> are you feeling good and as

healthy as the start of the year? >> yeah, i'm feeling good. just not make some pitches when i need to. gallon last year, ray, we were talking while john was speaking with the media about the fastball that's a little less effective this year than last year. he was over 90? >> ray: yeah, several times he was over 90. today he was at 87 or 88 on the best fastball. i'm not sure if that's anything other than maybe early, early lack of mechanics or i don't think his arm is tired. i know his fastball is not moving over the course of the game consistently. he has a great moving fastball that does this, john. and his other fastball kind of rides in here. started out the day in the first two inning, the ball had movement and it was going to the corner of the plate. he said he left some balls over the middle of the plate. they just didn't move. it's like a four-seam fastball that kind of sits there and if it's not moving and it's only 88 miles per hour, somebody

will racket attack it. that's what they did. he threw the one changeup to ramirez, 81 over the mill of the plate. and when a guy is not throwing ball effectively inside, that's one thing he's not doing and the whole staff doesn't do it. rob talks about it almost ad nauseam about pitching inside. but we don't have anybody that does that. and we've got to pitch inside in order to -- every once in awhile maybe somebody pull off a pitch that is a mistake. >> johnny: well, the atlanta braves will be in town on tuesday for three games. we'll talk about their starting pitcher, kawakami, and hernandez goes for the nats on tuesday night.

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gallon the mar >> johnny: the marlins win 9- 3. willy harris was talking about how tough josh johnson was. he's a veteran pitcher. >> yeah, we felt, you know, pretty good. we put some pressure on them early, but he got comfortable, man, and he's a pitcher. he know what is he's doing and kept his team in the game. you know, nay got a couple big hits there. >> debbi: john lannan, another tough outing for him. is it a thing where you have to put today and this series behind you to move to tuesday? >> yeah. i mean, john lannan is our guy. he's our guy. he went out there today -- like you said, a tough outing but, you know, he's not going to be his best every day, you know can. some days we will have to pick him up as far as hitting goes but today, he got hit around a little bit but so what? he's still our guy and we look forward for him to go on the mound next time.

>> debbi: jim riggleman said you were pretty irritated. what's the mood of the clubhouse? >> pissed off, if i can say that. we're not -- liking the past. you know, things would be -- it's just a game. it's all right. now it's different. we want to win right now and that's what we're look forward to. >> johnny: there's the pitching matchups for tuesday. kawakami for the braves and hernandez for the nationals. >> ray: livan, hopes he keeps to it with the earned run average below one. kawakami, 0-4, has not gotting out of the 6th inning. gave up five run in four inning last time out. >> johnny: hernandez, one of three pitchers to throw a shutout this yore. he'll tow the rubber with the record of 3-1. kawakami looking for his first win of the year. thank you for joining us, everybody. we will see you on tuesday night on masn 2. braves and nat in the first of three.

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obviously the two teams are playing well. i'm going to lean toward santana. he's the better pitcher. >> the phillies snapped the mets' winning streak saturday. we'll see if new york can start a new one. espn's sunday night baseball preceded by "baseball tonight." we come your way twice on sunday. >> as expected lebron james, the named mvp taking 116 out of 123 votes. kevin durant came in second place. they're about to have the live news conference out there in lebron's hometown of akron, ohio. we are bringing it to you right here live on "espnews" as he and the cavaliers get ready to play game two against the boston celtics tomorrow. >> this award -- and really all four awards are an integral part of the marketing strategy put forth by kia motors and the nba as they work arm in arm. this year for the first time ever you fans had a chance to vote as part of the nba fan vote which was a great success.

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>> well, i think i was just brought here on this manual to make sure we brought the average height down to normal sort of ranges. i tell you what, as part of the ownership team and one of the other partner owners is here, usher raymond. where are you, usher? say hello. [ applause ] and the entire ownership team, the entire cavaliers organization and everybody else, it's just -- we were here last year. it's just fun. it's just fun to have lebron james around. we're having a lot of fun. the city's having a lot of fun. the state's having a lot of fun. the players have a lot of fun. even the front office, believe it or not, they have a lot of fun too, and clearly by the way mike is dressed, he has a lot of fun all the time too. so it's just a lot of fun to be around here.

no fine involved. no worries. you're always wondering what lelebron james is going to do next. what's going to be his next dunk, his next move to the basket, what's his next record he's going to break? when's he going to teach the next player how to dunk, how it all works? he is a guy that also a lot of you don't know gets involved in marketing. a lot of the stuff that you see regarding some of the things he does and the commercials and all that are his ideas, so it's more than basketball, it's a lot more than basketball. i happen to watch for the second time the movie here obviously based in akron, "more than a game," and i've got to tell you something until you really see that movie, and i'm not from akron, but you really get an incredible feel as to really more than what lebron james does, which is unbelievable, but really more of who he is, and that feeling of who he is is so

important. [ cheers and applause ] because i think we see by the fact last year at the high school and this year here, everything he does is about who he is, and it drives everything that he does, and i'll tell you what, whether it's his friends, and he's got lifelong friends, and a lot of them are here, his family, savannah and his two boys who were up very late last night and his mother, gloria, and the rest of his friends and family that are here somewhere and people that aren't here today, he's a man that is about who he is, and that's something that has always impressed us for sure. he's a guy -- when you say who he is besides his roots which are important, highly aware, highly curious, creative, a leader, a great teammate, a family man, and cares about his community. and so frankly i can't see -- i can't wait to see what lebron

james does next. i know next is tomorrow night against boston. and so is the team, and together they work as an incredible unit that we've all seen with the big comeback last night and everything else they've done over the last few years. very exciting. [ cheers and applause ] anyway, i've gone over my time. i just want to say this. i think lebron james' best days are ahead of him despite everything that he's done here, and i'm sure we'll be here next year with mv3. >> our next speaker is a gentleman who's had an incredible knack for creating a culture that not only brought these 15 men together, but also has created a culture of winning, and that is the general

manager. >> thank you very much. it's easy to create culture when your mvp player is the hardest worker, gives back to the community, and does everything that he does. the city of akron, northeast ohio, ohio, we're really luck tee have someone represent us to the world the way he does. and i just want to thank him. enjoy the day. enjoy the event. and let's keep playing. thank you, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] >> when you consider all the accolades that mike brown has piled up in a short period of time as head coach in cleveland, perhaps among the most impressive, back-to-back number 1 seeds in the nba. it's been over a decade since that transpired back in the michael jordan days with the chicago bulls. let's hear from coach brown.

[ cheers and applause ] >> you know, i must say looking at that panel of guys up there, i am a little bit underdressed, but i do tell you what, i do want to say one thing. none of them have these on right here. i'm represented well by the lebrons. the mvp award, most people look at it as an individual thing. but i know lebron, i know his teammates, they don't look at it that way. i don't. he has a great group of guys sitting there. go ahead. [ cheers and applause ]

he's got a great group of guys sitting there that have come out and that have shown him support today. they not only have shown him support today, but they've shown him support every single day that he's been here, and that's a tremendous thing when you have a group like we have, so let's give it up for him one more time. [ cheers and applause ] having the pleasure, the fortune to be blessed to work with them and to work with the great player like lebron is special for me. but at the end of the day, i look at this thing as a team thing. and somebody told me at the beginning of the year good teams have great players. great teams have good teammates,

and that's what we have here. good job, lebron. [ cheers and applause ] >> interesting to note that this kia sorrento is one of 12 vehicles donated to charity and in association with these performance awards that i talked about, so this is the 12th such award in a three-year span and the 12th vehicle presented to charity, and we thank kia motors for their participation. [ applause ] let's hear more on that subject as well as presenting the actual hardware to the king, let's welcome back tom lovos. [ applause ] >> this is -- wow. good afternoon. this is really exciting. i'm delighted to be here for

this moccasion if you will. it's a proud day for the city of cleveland, akron and the nba. it's a proud day for the cavaliers. and of course it's a proud day for lebron james. hey, it is a great day for kia also. like the nba kia is dedicated to excellence, determination, hard work, and team work. and it's in that spirit, really, that kia is the proud sponsor of the nba's most valuable player award. so without further ado, on behalf of kia motors america and its almost 700 retailers throughout the united states, i am very proud and pleased to

present the most valuable player award for the nba to lebron james. [ cheers and applause ] >> mr. lovos is presenting the trophy named for the late commissioner, the very first commissioner of the nba. lebron had the second highest total mvp vote count in nba history, and guess who he finished second to? shaq. you got it. ten years ago. lebron james was on the first

place battet -- 94% of the ballots cast. how about that. tom also has another presentation to give. >> i want to present to lebron james the most valuable player this season again with the keys to the 2011 kia sorrento proudly built right here in the united states. the official vehicle of the nba. lebron, these are yours. >> the keys would be a little heavier than the stardust we normally see at the q. all right. now. time to honor the man who really

gets a slice of history today. think about this. listen to the names that lebron james is now associated with. wilt chamberlain. bill russell. kareem abdul-jabbar. moses malone. magic johnson. larry bird. michael jordan. jim duncan. and steve nash. i present to you the tenth back-to-back a winner of the nba most valuable player award presented by kia motors lebron james! [ cheers and applause ] >> tell them how i feel?

oh, man. first of all, i want to say thank you. to everyone that's here and present. thank you. i mean this city of akron means so much to me. you probably heard this story before. ever since i was a kid i always said i was going to find a way to put this city on the map, and i'm going to continue to do that. to be presented most valuable player award means a lot. i'm not going to sit up here and say it doesn't mean anything to me because it means a lot. the individual work that i put in to every offseason to come in to full season to be great pays off. but there's a lot of credit that i give due to the ones that helped me along the line, and that's the coaching staff that we have over there, the training staff that we have over there, the front office, and most of all my teammates.

[ cheers and applause ] because one thing i learned at an early age, that the game of basketball is not won by one individual, it's won by a team, and lebron james himself can't do it by himself, and i need those 14 other guys to also put up with my stuff and i put up with their crap too. to kia and the nba to present me with this award, thank you. to give me a truck and then take it back. thank you on that too. i was going to put some 25s on there, some 26s, put some sounds in there. we were going to trick that car up. they're making us give it to charity, so we're going to keep it as it is. my mother means so much to me.

[ cheers and applause ] i mean what she was able to do for me as a single parent, mother, to raise me by herself at the age of 16 and still being in hospital is an unbelievable feat. i sit down sometimes at home and he being financially stable, me having two sons of my own, my two sons having a mother inside the household at the same time, having grandparents that's around all the time, having friends around the house all the time, having a nanny, people that cook for them all the time, i don't understand how she did it by herself without nothing. i don't understand that. [ cheers and applause ] i've never sat down and actually asked her how she did it. i mean i don't even want to know. but for her to be able to raise me by herself, and i'm not

saying she didn't have help along the way, but for a woman at 16 years old to have a son at that age is unbelievable feat, so mom, i give you a lot of credit. you mean just as much to this award than i do. [ cheers and applause ] my two boys, lebron jr. and bryce, you guys are the world to me. every day that i wake up i understand that i have not only myself to stand for, but also you two guys, and i refuse to let our last name be put down because of my actions, so you guys are the reason why i hold up a lot of responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] i mean i could come up here and i see all my friends, i see all

my family members, i see big franky who helped me out a lot throughout the days, i see coach drew who helped me out, i see my high school best friend right here, shean and willy and my two uncles, i see so many people, and you guys don't understand how much you've meant to me over the years even if i don't tell you. so i want to say thank you to all you guys also. and if i forget you, just shove me on the way out, and say hey, man, you ain't callin' me out on that. what's up with that? gordy. wes. i see you trying to hide. but you guys are unbelievable also. so give yourself a hand also. [ applause ] and also savannah because at the

end of the day with all the traveling that we do as professional athletes and all the time that we spend away from our home, you have stood by me throughout these years, and you've always had what's best at heart for myself, for our family, and our family of friends, so give yourself a hand too. [ applause ] that was cold right there. don't spill it. and these guys, i'm sorry, all my teammates, you all have to come up here with me, man. [ cheers and applause ]

i knew you could do it. these 14 guys, if you guys could have a camera around us every single day, i know you all see a lot of it on tv how much we play around and how much we joke around. it's real. we have a lot of -- see. we have a lot of fun up here, man, but now my name may be put on the front of that trophy as the most valuable player of the

league, but these guys got a lot to do with it, so these guys are unbelievable. so let's give them a hand. [ cheers and applause ] to finish it off because i never come up here with notes or anything like that. to finish it off, akron, ohio, is my home. [ cheers and applause ] akron, ohio, will always be remembered. akron, ohio, is my life, and i love this city. so i love you all, people. so thank you. thank you very much.

>> we might have gotten some sort of announcement there from lebron james. akron is his home, and he was proud to be in akron there to receive the award. second straight year, and you know, max, i'm taken by the fact that lebron james is 25 years old and the maturity he shows when he holds these news conferences and brings his teammates up, and you can tell the genuine like that they have for one another. it's interesting the past two years. >> he said it himself also, how this is not a show that they do on the sidelines, they really stick up for each other. this is really a community, a family on that bench, and a guy not only so mature and so poised, hey, a good actor too as

we see in the commercials. and he's a pretty good basketball player to boot. kevin connors along with max bretos, and there you see it, back-to-back mvp awards, nba playoffs in full tilt, and the last two years in the western conference the utah jazz has been knocked out by the lakers. they hope to get revenge, but they have to have deron williams available. >> he was a game time decision with a bruised left elbow, did start the game, and kobe started the game knifing his way to the basket. babies because the mothers were drinking at the same time as doing crack opinion it was alcohol doing the damage. lynn dias died of a cocaine overdoze. they were not able to get them to agree on the crack and powder

cocaine, the compromised will be by weight 18 times more severely, instead of 100 times more severely. there is no justty -- justification and rationalization and a desire to cultivate white votes by locking away black criminals. i can't remember the question. [laughter] >> i got myself so worked up. oh, about obama. so anyway, it remains to be seen whether, you know, what will happen with jim webb's bill, it's being amended, and it was amended really horribly for a little while. now it's a little bit better. you never know, of course, what monster is going to come out of the legislative process. ive some hopes for it. some other people in the criminal justice community don't have much. so we'll see what happens. i think there in the back.

>> first of all, thank you. and i appreciated the talk for a lot of different reasons. i want to go back to the point you make about the distinction by conviction and by misfortune and the transition from slavery to state power in prisons. i am aware, certainly, there's a lot of people in present who one innocent, forced to plea bargain to crimes they didn't commit, three based on snitches. the whole system is messed up. one the problems though as i see someone involvement or someone that was involved in the movement sort of the presumption that we are all innocent. that we base the movement base on the innocence of prisoners. i happen to know a lot of folks are not innocent. they are guilty of a crime. of course, i'm wondering, that leads me to the question, can we solve the problem of criminal

justice with some sort of claims to innocent or freeing people or do we need to talk about issues of distribution of wealth and power and resources outside of the jail. can we solve mass incarceration without solving the problems that lead people to commit crimes, whether they commit the crimes they are convicted of or not? >> let me start. and you follow up if i don't get to all of elements? first of all, i think you are right. my research has primarily dealt with prisons. but kind of the more i read, the more i realized the problem in the judicial system is also at the heart of the matter. and even know, you know, we did go through that period in american history where the judicial branch was for a brief moment on the side of the weak instead of the strong under the warrant and understood the burger courts, we don't have

anything like fair play in our courtrooms across the country. the -- and this is something to the obama's administration credit they are trying to fix the conference about indigent defense which has broken much more severely in in in say texas than new york. the plea bargain is arbitrary justice. even if people are guilty, they are being sentenced for things they didn't do or crimes that might or might not be related to their conduct. the limitations on judicial discretions has made it worse by tilting the scales to prosecution. and there's all sorts of procedural and more courts are convicting innocent people and

in some cases executing innocent people. including one of my informants was executed and i didn't believe his innocence. some you may have made about him, kameron todd, in the "new yorker." so the question of fairness and innocence are critical. and i think that increasing the quality of indigent defense is an important area for criminal justice reformers to focus on. because that's a way to actually reduce the prison population, it might be possible to get more public support for that than some reduction of sentences. but no, i don't think it will solve all of the problem. deescalating the war on drugs is another area that alaska voters

have the opportunity to do something quite momentous, considering the legalization of marijuana, a drug that is by all evidence less harmful than alcohol and trying to change the way we've done sentencing to undo some of the change that is have taken place over the years. but i don't -- i believe personally that we would be better off diverting the resources saved from downsizing criminal justice into the sorts of great society programs that the commission proposed 40 years ago. the last time that american criminal justice was studied comprehensively by a blue ribbon panel. although it's not -- i don't think that by increasing -- by

alleviating porchty and doing nothing else is really not going to downsize our prison population right away. because the relationship between crime and poverty is -- correlates. but less than we might hope and more importantly, the relationship between incarceration and crime doesn't correlate very well at all. it does need to be tackled with some focus on the apparatus of adjudication and punishment in addition to the social fear at large, i think. yeah? >> first, i want to thank you for the presentation and doing work on area in regards to the prison and american politics, i don't think there's much more on it. one, i think you do a wonderful

job of highlighting two moments, african-american rights being denied in criminal justice system and how that leads to phren choosement and then the kinds of consolidations that you have. and then the post civil rights again where we see new rights and kind of rewriting new laws. i'm wondering, how do you see these two kind of spectacular moments connecting. do you see them? is it some kind of backlash? are they related? is it that politicians in the post civil rights era saw or remembered what was going on in the post reconstruction area. i'm wondering, i've seen them before. i was wondering how do you view them? >> no, i don't think there was like an awareness particularly of history by any of the actors involved. so, you know, because they are

kind of separated by 100 years, we don't have kind of direct connections in that way. but one period in american history, i think very much echoed in the other. and i -- the reason that i think it was important to go back to reconstruction is that it's hard for any of us to be able to step outside of our own historical moment and see it with any impartiality. we're overwhelmed by the details of everyday life, and we don't know which direction we are going. it's hard because i think that's one reason racial politics haven't been in much of the literature as it should be.

if you step back to the over era that we can can -- other era that we can look back on and you can see the same kind of process with the same language developed, culminate and finally be undone, my hope is that what we recognize as a shameful chapter in american history can be used then to cast light and provide clarity on our own moment and thereby, you know, hopefully show us in some dim way a way forward. >> my question is i know you did work in mississippi. i was wondering, how do you see other in the construction area, how do you see the other -- how other southern states developed their systems, how do you see that influencing the development of texas and also the growth of the new south? >> i mean -- those states were

reliance on convict labor. the whole levy system and large parties were revitalized kind of collapsed with the it and was revitalized only through conduct labor. a lot of the kind of wealthiest, richest people who are able to rebuild and consolidate in their land holdings also benefited from convict labors. they used convict as free labor but also as strike breakers. it was able to have a broader effect than the numbers who were being used on any given day. and it played a significant role in building the new south. i mean the convicts were involved in southern states attempts to diversity their economies. one chapter i have tells the story of texas. willest the biggest factory in

texas that was supposed to free them from depend si on the north by producing iron products. that was what was going on used for white prisoners. because it was less degrading that toiling in the fields. it ultimately was a total failure economically. and it was horrific for the white prisoners who were there who wrote the memoirs that in victimization. all of that is to say across all of these jurisdictions, the penal system and especially if you add in all of the kind of local systems of crime related labor, coercion that are related and orbiting around the kind of state controlled more formal penal system on felony

convictions or not. it played a significant economic role and remains for real historian like gavin wright to go crunch and lig your out how important it was as they have done for slavery -- as they have done for slavery. there was another component of your question. anyway. it played a very big role. and those states -- some of them, lose actually has preserved more than texas. i mean like probably the prison in the united states that is most like the greedier version of colonial williamsburg that is most like slavery is the angola penitentiary, a lot of capital. no one seems to fire him. he's able to carry on through

all of the administrations like jay edgar hoover. there's a lot of slavery and still more gang labors in the fields than this is in texas. and in texas, the system is so large they've had to hire so many people that a lot of the new recruits while not being sympathetic are possess -- are less devoted and easier to buy grade d meats than to have the prisoners out in the fields that they can escape and cause problem. they are locking everybody up in ware housing more than continuing the labor traditions. although it still does go on. any other questions? yeah, yeah, sure. go ahead. >> i'm wondering if you shared

your work. i take your point that a lot of folked locked up are familiar with the story and know some sort of personal liveway and i think folks in this room are sympathetic. i'm wondering if you shared your research with prison guards and wardens and what has been your response to this narrative of the process? >> some of that remains to be seen. i kept my cards close to the vest when i was doing the research. i was able to get approve as tdgj researcher. not by being dishonest, but showing what i was interesting in asking questions about but trying not to share with them any of my framework. and i have -- one warden who helped me quite a lot. i haven't been in touch, and i'm sort of wondering when or if i should get in touch with him. although one person that was

very prominent has written me. he says he quite likes the book. especially the parts, i think he found interesting to read about himself. but also the longer earlier parts that he didn't know about. i haven't yet been able to hear back from prisoners. although prisoners were deeply involved in this project has informants. but also in a way as advisors. it turns out the ones i carried on the longest were long timers who were intellectuals themselves and they would write me the long letters. i was sharing my ideas with them and they would write their own ideas. many of which changes and made my thinking evolve. and in important ways. so i'm very grateful to them. and i hope i'm able to get them

copies of the book. i'm worried how it will go when i send it through. send many copies through that i plan to. but i will find out soon. >> how do you explain the clean in funding through the programs and even, you know, the kind of concentration of initiatives designed to help, and intellectuals with all kinds of literatures. particularly, i guess in context where people are lifers or something like that. but also, it was really disappointing the fact that it isn't so difficult now. it's difficult to have prison education in this like that. is it -- i guess not really

about social control. but it was something that even say from the stand point, there'd be more interest in prison on the -- what you're thinking about, why those programs have died out. >> well, the fact that they have died out is kind of sympathetic of the largest shift? you know, the huge amounts of resources available for wear housing and punishing and the smaller amounts of money, constricted and reduced amounts of money for the whole gamut of programs for that were designed to intervene in someone's life who had been constricted of a criminal defense and hopefully make them better. not that it always worked very well. but all of those programs across the board will be cut back. with the second chance and very recently, there is kind of more federal money coming into that.

we're seeing another round of cuts with the financial crisis. so it there is not much treatment for education. and, in fact, it's been cut back by -- it's not just that people haven't wanted to kind of continue those programs, but congress eliminated the pell grant. even though -- even though the the pursuit of higher education was shown to have a very positive effect on recidivism. they have -- they have reduced the period of drug treatment. they've reduced all of the classes in texas back to basic literacy and basic math classes from what they used to have.

i mean -- some of it is sympathetic from the larger policy shift. among, among veterans, conservatives veterans and practitioners, there's also some awareness that when california took prisoner education to its fullest development in the 1950s and the 1960s, they feel like what they got instead was a whole lot of incredibly smart, politically conscience convicts writing -- writing inflammatory best selling condemnations of their prison system. like george jackson and atz thanks for their therapy program and education programs. so there has not been a lot of professional interest in taking

a group of, you know, people who might be easier to control if they are sitting, watching the -- when i was in the day rooms and texas and some lower security units. maximum ones don't typically have televisions. but then, you know, putting together book groups. questions? great. well, thank you very much. [applause] >> robert perkinson is an american studies profession at the university of texas at manoa. his writing as appeared in the "progress i iive" and "the nation." >> a c-span library lincoln

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