funded debt and she did it. the rest is history. we don't remember those activists. we remember jonas and it seems to be gregory pincus and the women -- [inaudible] >> guest: carvel named himself the father of the bill and there has been a little bit of competition among those guys. >> host: i can see that the women of planned parenthood -- and this is a story that is told in andrea's bouck -- they used to worship gregory pincus for saving them. >> guest: there is no question that the scientists and doctors and this is a time very few women have access to science and medical katharine mccormick was the second women ever to graduate from mit in 1902 with a

biology degree. and she was a scientist and she was involved in selecting pincus and observing moderates and keeping track of the research and making sure that the facilities which i thought they ought to be in terms of their scientific value and so she was a scientist. but there were decades when the women didn't have access to this kind of training the man deserves credit and get credit. my book gives them credit. i mean, for goodness sake -- men have never really even been in the story. ..

>> in terms of their whole life opportunity it had to be there the bill did not create those opportunities are open doors to universities and higher education and the science

and all of the opportunities it did not open the opportunity to have been public office recommend open those doors. >> the been helped. >> of course, they did the feminist movement made that have been progress push the doors open. >> but it could not have happened unless there blair than that were supportive of. >> it did not happen in many societies with been did it. it is like saying the right people liberated black people. >> i am simply saying they made the of movement happen. >> in the case of the bill it is a classic example of a collaboration. >> and women's rights that open the doors to make it possible.

>> nobody denies that. >> we do not disagree. >> i agree with the feminist part and then the fact that probably you chose the most unrepresentative sample of women one could imagine. >> if you look at the book you see the range of voices that i a drew on to tell the story of the bill today was across the political, religious, at age, class, everything spectrum. >> i just don't know what social science that is if you go to a website? >> in my earlier were corn values divorce cases cases, newspapers, you get people's stories and hear back from the people who feel the strongest of all sides progress has been my business to take the strongest positions on all sides so the readers can see what is behind the positions

they're not rest -- necessary representitive but that is that they are helped -- heartfelt and that as of makes a difference. >> our time is up. he lane tyler me. a pleasure to chat with you. american and the bill. >> thank you very much. good evening program when the owners here at politics and prose and this evening we have nicholas schou who has come to talk about his book "orange sunshine" i will be due to sure repute quotes first one calls it a

fascinating read for anyone interested in the fruits of cyc abelia and another, the next -- mixture of stone the pomposity gives a portrait of counterculture excess and i think both of those are right on. nikolas i just found out grew up in washington sunday is kind of coming home this evening. he has been raging for the orange county weekly and also written were a lot of other weeklies including our own city paper. before this book he wrote a book called kill the messenger that was about a journalist, another california journalist to roebuck i'm sorry, wrote to

a newspaper article about the ties then what los angeles and the in cia operation in nicaragua and as a result, he was betrayed by all of the journalist around him that his editors refuse to support him. he eventually committed suicide. it was a sad sad story that nikolas had written about but his new-line, station new-line, he started four or five years ago he wrote an article for the at all-out -- orange county we feel about the members of the brotherhood of brotherly love of i'm sorry, eternal love. then he was very interested four years tracking down the remaining members who were alive and interviewing them to get an oral history of what was going on during the

'60s and it is a fascinating story two major activities he found were surfboard smuggling hollowed out surfboards of smuggled marijuana back and forth between hawaii and the mainland and also the manufacturer of goods. in this particular case orange sunshine, which is a particular form of lsd, they want to give you get a sense of how large an operation it was coming in one raid, i think it was this one, they found 1 million orange sun shine bills plus the raw materials, the powder to make 14 million more. the numbers we're talking about our mind-blowing to

use the right expression. [laughter] [applause] >> first of all, thank you for the winter ball introduction and a 12 think everyone who came out tonight especially my parents report convincing so many other people to come tonight. [laughter] it is a treat to be here because i did shop here as a kid and i am a big fan of the bookstore. thank you for having me. i appreciate it. indeed, the idea for the book first entered my head in the year 2000 at that point* was the 30th anniversary of a rock concert held in laguna canyon on christmas day 1970 which was the same year i was born. our paper ran a cover story of this three day write it

concert basically where 25,000 hippies than that at thee and it took over and refused to leave and the police came in to clear them out and the story mentioned deep down at one point* during the show, and aircraft flew overhead and olives these great things came over the crowd and each one had a tab of the orange sunshine. they had distorted the cards trying to promote the show they took all of day leftover cards and tried to drop those on the audience that made in at unruly situation even more hard to contain. that is the essence of the brotherhood. fact is no mistake that is what happened. i remember reading that story and thinking my god this happened in orange

county? laguna beach is a little bit different than anyone who may happen there at any time, but still, late sixties early seventies it was very conservative broker nixon had western white house one town away and i was amazed that anything like this could ever happen if i was curious to learn more about it. a few years later i was having a conversation with a history professor at uc irvine and talking about my interest in the brotherhood. he had never heard of them. he said the one thing i found fascinating of the '60s sunday that nobody has focused on when timothy leary and arrested for something and it turned out it was marijuana possession in laguna beach. of the weatherman busted him t of prison in 1970 and he ended up in afghanistan and arrested again and he came

back and wrote a book called i have america surrounded price said it was the brotherhood of the eternal love that raise the money they gave to the black panthers that carried it to the weatherman that carried out the crazy prison bus. little less dramatic more just him climbing over a fence but they did use an interesting technique that the brotherhood started to pioneer which was passport fraud to sneak him out of the country. no mistake he ended up being arrested later in afghanistan or later that it was the brotherhood that helped him to get there because both the brotherhood in afghanistan had gone back quite a ways by 1970. specifically, larry in september 66 delivered a

very famous press conference three he said words he will be remembered for forever that is turn and comment tune in and drop out that was one month before a group of guys who had grown up in anaheim in a club called the street sweepers was a bunch of loans, american graffiti era where they would runaround come a break windows and get into fights with each other. jocks, most of them were working menial jobs, garbage truck drivers, but the most charismatic member was john craig's and he was a little guy and the sticky had in the street sweepers he would go into a party start mouthing off fighting with the biggest of the sky and threatening to beat him up

he had a crazy look in his eyes but the second day one took the bait the rest of the buddies would come running out and fisticuffs would in super his life was so out of control he had two kids by the age of 20 and he heard about something new called lsd and it was popular in hollywood. he devised a scheme with a couple of friends were they drove up into the hollywood hills impact some pistols at gunpoint stole the lsd and they took it. they just wanted to find out what it was about. he ran off into the desert leaving his gun buried in the sand and fouling never too hard drugs again that he was addicted to like a lot of his friends. never e to meet again. that is what happened with a group taking off. he convinced one by

one, everybody he knew that or heroin addicts, alcoholics, to stop that. he would say let's go out into the desert but it was about getting people to experiment which was legal at the time and by the time leary came along and urged everybody to try it they have been doing something that leary had no idea. before he told the entire world that this was the solution in his view, he tried to prove it could cure criminals of their base instincts. there is a harvard prison project they administered the substance to inmates in a controlled environment to get them to really analyze their lives in the decisions they have made. they attempted to prove this could reduce recidivism rates. the research was a little unclear but the

brotherhood, although they did not have that name, they were guinea pigs in the experiment leary to not know what was happening, and these guys were hardened criminals and they believed they had reform themselves now building in communal houses, a growing throng vegetables, no more violence. they were still smuggling marijuana in the surf boards from the trips to new mexico but they were pretty serious. they chose the name one month after leary made the famous statement 10 days within california became the first state to ban acid prepared group of guys got what they were doing all of a sudden became the biggest group about was in the state. shortly after this happened they decided to move into laguna beach in venice for the story gets crazy they

opened a store front which was the first shop it coincided with the end of the summer of love of a sudden every happy in santa sysco wanting to find the next big happening scene heard about laguna and these exciting guys. psychedelic reading room room, new age religion books , the brotherhood was very, very intent on having every bed re-read leary books with the psychedelic experience and lenin wrote the song tomorrow never knows. they were in two doing this ellis the research on themselves in a ceremonial environment where you have guys that would take you to the other side of reality. they were discovering the

fellowship teachings and all that stuff was happening at the same time. of the cops on the other hand, noticed the storer with all the of the hippies they were arresting seem to be centered around this store and there was a correlation. it took them a couple years to figure out there was a group of guys living in a little bunch of shacks in the area called million-dollar homes that was behind all of this battle redistributing the marijuana but had come up with a new product called orange sunshine which was the most famous brand of acid in the country still what they did not know was that these guys have a direct pipeline that reached all the way to kandahar afghanistan. that have been to in late

1967, the brotherhood found out about something that was very popular in europe for a couple of years as a recreational drug. but virtually unknown in california. one of the first guys to discover this and bring it back is a man named mike. if you see the movie endless summer which is a cold classic of serving he is the blond guy that catches the perfect wave at the end of the movie and was charismatic and friends with these fellows and said what it did i just bring back in my surfboard? everybody who tried it wanted to do it themselves. bay headed over to india. a couple of characters is hard to put together but they intended on going to katmandu in new delhi and following in the footsteps but it was funny. they left california beirut

beautiful warm day in december they landed in new york the first thing they had to do was go by a sleeping bags and warm jackets and drove from germany all the way to afghanistan they didn't go anywhere near india because they heard that was the cheapest and best quality of hashish was from. that opened the line of brother after brother after brother wanted to out do those that have come before them. and they were the biggest hashish smuggling network in the country. at this point* is when spreading out of control very quickly the crucial factor was leary himself and john craig's had revered him as a spiritual mentor and he

had convinced him to leave the commune in upstate new york behind and come out to california. they were hoping with all of the cash they were smuggling they could buy an island in the tropics and truly drop out of society and convince leary to come with them and be the grew ruutu never deal with the rest of the world. not surprising to anybody with leary and his taste of celebrity he had no interest at all. [laughter] instead they settled for a ranch high a in the mountains near palm springs but most of the brothers at this point* were fugitives from the lot and they thought hanging out with a guy running for governor on the ticket of marijuana legalization and wanted to outlaw the ball and make baseball the state sport and eliminate all money to go to

a barter system, john lennon whom he had helped with the song all you need is love he sang part of the chorus, he wrote the song come together , the campaign anthem. it was a high-profile guy with high-profile friends. most of the guys were not all interested in hanging out with the range and they did their own deal but the rest of them scattered. they ended up and now we which was the version of the utopian island and back then in 1970 when they arrived it was much different. i was lucky enough to go there, they totally went there with the grandiose ambitions several of them with no standing experience commandeered a yacht and filled with mexican marijuana and sailed across the pacific and got

completely lost not only new-line did not know how to sail or navigation or gps they ended up on their way to japan when they realized they were several hundred miles off course with no food heard back of the soul three or four weeks late they make it to hawaii with the biggest load they have ever smuggled and the plan was to sell but to hippies, hundreds per week but being ejected by the police for new sunbathing. they were going to sell all of this stuff raise the money and sell they ought to pakistan and load it with but primo hachette that had been smuggled and come back to hawaii and live out their days. that never happen because now we was a fun place to hang out. all they did was surf, do

their own thing recreational a, the craziest thing they did was convince and jimi hendrix to come and do a private concert from these guys from laguna beach. they were in the crowd so the cameras rolling could not tell their faces and a concert was included, it is hard to watch bizarre movie but called the rainbow bridge. i cannot recommended but besides the concert i will not bother trying to describe the concert but as a tribute to do the brotherhood, mike and a couple of surfing buddies open a base surfboard under the poster of richard nixon that said would you trust this man to buy a used car? the open up a bag of hashed on film and then that was up. they claim. [laughter] that what they did was not wrong because the cops

already knew about this and the surfboards were being broken up all the time whenever they traveled officer for the third being ruined they wanted it to end but then the movie comes out on laguna beach you cannot see the screen for all of the smoke anybody that had a rainbow surfboard which was a brotherhood brilliant, you can still buy them today was getting pulled over. what happens the same year the movie was released, august, the biggest raid in the history of the war on drugs up to that point* that i am aware of happened up and down the coast of california laguna beach up to the state of war again. dozens of people were arrested and police declared victory over the brotherhood and a famous poster went out to the individuals who manage to repay the

restaurant and some of these guys lasted until the mid 90's until they were caught. stranger them that there was one of those i have already written about bid did not know his actual involvement with the group. it was only one trip but i got a call from a friend who said this shows a man has just landed in san francisco and he was living in a monastery in nepal for several years, raise day family in katmandu and applied for a passport because the situation was stacy in trying to figure out of the could come home. he gets a passport in the media's arrested on old hashish smuggling charges he spent 75 days in jail and i have the pleasure that actually picking him up and take him to the airport to visit some relatives and i

could not get this guy to say anything because apparently when he was in prison and somebody who's agency you was blocked out had gone in there and said tell me about john parker was an evil leader? yes. the brotherhood everybody is in the brotherhood. we're all brothers and sisters there was very little he wanted to say a prayer buy finally got him to talk about the time moody blues came in they had written a song and the rolling stones considered going up there but new the brotherhood was too hot and they were already arrested for marijuana in england and every cop wanted to arrest them. but probably the quote die would have ended the book with a bid to not happen if i had written it. [laughter] basically i said what was

said all about? what did it try to do? >> it was not about drugs but religion and was not the cops that destroyed the brotherhood but ourselves, a cocaine. some of these guys got so greedy when they realized they were adept they turn to something that was more profitable. he sounded up it which is where i will end, by saying we really wanted to change the world and one people to be happy and feel love and peace but it was an illus but in five years the world changed us. if anybody has questions i will do my best to answer the. [applause] >> would you like to talk

about your personal experience with orange sunshine? [laughter] >> it was interesting because one of the challenges to get the people to talk to me i was born in 1970, in fact, one of the first people i tried to interview was not really in the brotherhood but friends with them. an interesting character told me if anyone tells you that don't worry because of fewer there you would not remember anywhere. [laughter] i kept hearing that from different people in a different way but my response was i have seen the grateful dead i really don't think you are represent change or encourage the world to do do is that mysterious that those who were not alive in the '60s are not familiar. i was fascinated with the

60s growing up as a kid since i saw the woodstock film on pbs i could not believe that. it is even harder to imagine something like that seeming to happen nowadays. that is as much as i can say about that. [laughter] >> [inaudible] >> the brotherhood? that is the fundamental question. they think they helped to have a more spiritually inspired world there are places you can go today ashley drug experimentation come to what they stood for and how they lived their lives was mainstream with yoga, and looking at kids today the surf culture they helped to spawn that. in some ways, they were just a little misguided but ahead of their time culturally

speaking and ushered in the '70s the best and worst in some of them ended up well adjusted and could be here for all lino. [laughter] and others that i really wanted to talk to last i heard were living in the bushes in oceanside and one guy is still in india living in a cave wandering around. something like that. >> how long was the research process. >> the first feature story i wrote about the brotherhood i only interview did one guy on a wanted poster it turned out he was not really in the brotherhood but a guy who was a drug dealer that all of the cops thought was part of big groups so he said this stuff that i quote and i have a lot to live up to do to get the original members to talk to me.

that was a three month process researching that then i spend one year writing a book proposal that was finally accepted at which point* i had no clear that i could talk to any of the real members at all and it was nerve wracking to say the least but miracle of miracles ... the original members to talk to me so then solid three months of rioting nonstop. >> how dumbfounded were you when you heard some of the stories from some of the now men in their sixties? they're talking about what they did in their twenties. i know what i did in my 20s but my jaw dropped a couple times literally when i read there is a reference to germany did a car, go

through bulgaria and go into turkey and wait and get the pictures taken and and go into afghanistan and back again. i am thinking of a chance of living in -- losing your head is 60/40 against two. >> they fell in love with afghanistan. that was crazy for me. and kandahar specifically we are about to invade kandahar that is the word i have heard. things cannot be any more different now they and then but they were putting their lives on the line if you were caught in iran you would be executed. they would basically take your relatives' names and write it down. there is then entertaining part of the book to help take down a smuggling operation until he realized he would have to carry this

into iran as part of the cover for the sting operation then you see the poster at the embassy with the european backpackers. it was down bounding in deed and the thing about the guys that sale across the pacific ocean, they went through some serious storms where they were surfers and they had what suits and one would be strapped to the real on a boat 70 feet serving with hurricane force winds and how do you manage? he said marijuana is very medicinal for anxiety. [laughter] but these guys are that i grew up with and we were all complete the tracie and he was not lying. i could not imagine. it is hard to believe any of this happened but i do vouch for it. >> how many true originals

are still alive? >> half a dozen or 50%. the real bridgeable group is only 1215 people and it blossomed and picked up speed very quickly at one point* in time anybody that was a player in the distribution seen said i was with the brotherhood the same way anybody would claim they were with the mob to get you to pay back money that you borrowed it was a cipher and nobody knew who was really in the brotherhood and who was not but for me, half of these guys in there are a lot of the last few years they are reaching that age. >> is it true that the

majority of lsd and the country for a long period of time was made by the brotherhood and one of the things they enjoyed about that was they were never really caught by then the a o or suppressed? it was maintained because they have a monopoly because it was a low profit drug? >> guy read amount this a paramount, when it was legal it was not well known or widely used there was a guy guy, a very distinguished name a justice iii and his nickname was bair and designed summiteer work associated with the grateful dead and friends with good group prepare him and his apprentice new-line was able

to interview, he figured out how to make this stuff in tablet form and all of the marketing names like blue chair, a pink floyd, windowpane and warned the sunshine came about because they were finally getting arrested the labs were discovered, high of the legal by 1966. basically leary was at the ranch and got a batch of acid they're sitting there under the stars waiting for it to kick in and it did not happen. he said we need to make our own stuff. that is how they came up with the name in their able to do that. the last november the last of the fugitives last of the mohicans one was the original brotherhood conspiracy and 72 also late

1978, i got ahold of the chance groups and it turned out seven or eight other guys the original brotherhood people were smothering hash from the same couple brothers in kandahar right until the shot fell, that was finally the end of the network. the dea wasn't created until it was taken down and we got off late because it was formed too. >> with the revolutionary guards and the d.a. could not due to shut down the pipeline. it is a different world. >>

[inaudible] >> with this guy got arrested i started lobbying day spa gain if i was more than happy because we knew all about this guy. the prosecutors did not know anything. they did not have computers so they did not know the arrest warrants were four and i warn that the day you will charge him on these 40 year-old cases they were finding the son of the actual d.a. during the case because of the big grand jury case there is a plea deal but in answer to the question, yes, i was already france and have a source with the laguna beach police detective who could talk to the big players including this