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dependence on coal is what they are blasting and there is no wind project. they're permitting it to go
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forward. top removal permits 9% of national production and yet they have green light did it. this is howard choice. this was the reckoning at eagle creek. either we understand our history and learn from it and declare its time as the chicago tribune said in 1819 that:the wonderful thing and the year of coal is coming to an end and we must move to something cleaner. it is time to commit to a cold free future. we won't end tomorrow. we get 45% of our electricity from coal but until we set the road map and work toward it by 2020 or 2013, whatever, we need revolutionary thinking. it is a combination of wind and geothermal and solar and energy
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efficiency, we need break throughs in our thinking. we need a reckoning at eagle creek to realize that we do not move on and honor our heritage and come home. and keep my book marked with money for a reason. has the wind whipped up, my mother and i and my uncle, i had a strange feeling of was not only witnessing the stripping of a hill and its ancient inhabitants, but the shredding of a great library of stories that had shaped our region and more importantly shaped the great american experience. there was that charles dickens character from the coal industry.
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they shifted their gaze at a massive pile of rocks, not far from where my great-grandmother attended the garden with enough food to last the wintery months of hunger and you see amidst the rubble and a patch of corn it was growing out in defiance of strip mining. there is a mixture of family pride in my mother and my father. i realized it had to come to eagle creek to learn this. thank you. [applause] this is the first time i have ever stood by a microphone. i liked to wander through a crowd and shake you down for money. they have me chained to the
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floor. i will take a few questions. happy to answer any questions. what is important to me is you go home tonight. looking at your ages i know you are all addicts of facebook on your computer. type something in called iout lovemountains.org. it is set up by the appellation valises. you put in your zip code and it tells you where your energy comes from and how we are all connected. mountaintop removal. we care as much about arizona in
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southern illinois where i come from as much as we care about the appellation. any questions? [inaudible] >> i don't know if you remember a few years ago project energy wanted to put a power plant in and city council, already signed off on that. we went down and complained and held signs. the little town -- i saw the man who made this, they made the little button. we are going to lose.
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i don't know about that. you can have -- >> this is good. >> to hurricane charlie in 2004. the five year anniversary of hurricane charley jeb bush had been the governor. his brother was running for president. surely we will get something. we got nothing. they had a party. the republicans came back, they were having a big party but no one mentioned the word charlie. no one wants to mention the word hurricane. it was called extreme make over.
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that is what happened. >> suddenly words matter. this is a good example. we were having a cold bloom and there was a movement, they were cancelled now. because the community saying it was cost-effective and we were trying to stop number one. to build a coal-fired plant and turtle cost and the cost down for alternative energy. and undecided as well. any other questions? >> i am so puzzled when i hear president obama mention please
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call the outage campaign. it is clear that he is a man bright enough to see the way in which those words cover up the reality. i always want to believe it is a thought for the industry so he can push forward as he also says towards green jobs and a different kind of future. is it subterfuge or caving? which is it? >> president obama of course, truly feels he is doing good to keep the coal industry doing. a few days ago he showed up at a republican meeting and he took at the west virginia republican head on and said go! we can't think of the coal
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industry like we did because we will have coal for the next hundred years. we need to think about clean coal. he was disclosed. they in our hearts, i believe he knows coal is dirty and devastating and the epa has done a good job looking at carbon emission regulations but the coal industry is so entrenched. we are facing one of the largest lobbies in the country. hundreds of millions from utilities and the screen coal at and we have this miss persian that we are going to get jobs. he said future of clean coal is the fight of his life. i couldn't understand it. there is the person from the
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soviet union has said roadside dogs bark and the caravan moves on and i thought this coal industry is a roadside dog and the green caravan is moving on. we know this is the future but this talk about cold blindside any progress because we are reporting billions into it and it is not stopping either. >> i spent a great deal long time ago on the issue of nuclear power. looking into the west where the uranium reserves on the reservation had a lot of coal as well as and people are saying nuclear-powered, if we are not going to blow up mountains we won't have a nuclear power. we tried to not think about that alternative.
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nuclear power seems to be on many people's mind as a greener option until we get wind wills. nuclear power waste buried somewhere rather than the mountain tops if that is the choice. >> 90% of coal production is tiny. we have millions of tons of coal sitting on the docks. we stockpiled coal in the summer. in the old days we had so much coal my uncle would be called a pig. that is how you get charcoal pigs. nuclear, yesterday we opened our newspapers and realize we had written a check in the nuclear industry. let's not talk about the role of
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water and water it consumes. how can we look at nuclear power as an interim when we spent years and millions and billions that is no longer cost-effective with the breakthroughs in the renewable. it comes down to an issue of money. we have had so many break throughs. secretary salazar said if we do offshore wind, within years. in new delhi, india, just declared they are going toll-free, come on! in los angeles, if we are going to be toll-free why can't asheville be toll-free? we had nuclear-free zones in the 1980s in the ear of the evil empire. why can't we create called free
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cities? if seattle can be called free why can't we be called free? it is more of a mind set. this legacy that we will always be dependent on coal no matter what. >> my knowledge on strip mining in ill.. one of the great tragedies of mountaintop renewal is so -- i had the opportunity to witness it to see that moonscape. i called my family and where i am from. it is a humanitarian crisis and i was fired up about it. the message didn't hit home. you have to see this to grasped
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it. we are fortunate here to have an organization, larry gibson to build those opportunities to witness it. my question is back in illinois what is the state of accessibility? can people see what is happening? >> our streamlining is pretty much gone. we had very high sulphur called. a night comes to cumberland. we talked about its practice been ill.. strip mining began in the 1850s. they eventually rolled in steam power engines which dug out the panama canal. eventually it erupted into an
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obscene massacre. from the steam power in in a brought in the draglines. that is the tallest building in southern illinois. they can scoot out two meteor craters at the same time and walk out of the neighborhood. we had high sulfur coal and it collapsed and passed the clean air act which is where the rate went on steroids and began full timeout. carter winston got his ideas about black history month. the problem now is that incredible destruction coming back, slated to have the largest strip mine in america now. peabody just signed a contract. southern illinois will have the largest strip mine bigger than any thing that ever hit achalasia.
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people will see it. you can imagine the scope. 500 mountains are gone. 1.2 million acres have been streamlined. vital you an area the size of delaware has been removed from the map. joe biden came from a alachua he wouldn't exist. it makes an impact. when you see the structure, one 9 and another, it really hits you. that is the power of our film documentary. we created a project called the cold free future. a group of artists come together across the country, who believe we have to somehow take this story to the stage. we have been so caught in statistics that we are not forgetting human beings are
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there. in asheville on friday night at the asheville community theater i hope you all attend the kick of premier of welcome to saudi arabia coal. it is about a young couple that has to come to grips. a coal miner with operations that will be pre meeting with two amazing actors from new york this friday at 8:00 p.m.. if you can't come, we will bring them to you. our motto is thanks for this wire and thanks for the climate destabilization. we all live in a coal field. >> one thing that has not been mentioned is the role of conservation. we can talk about all kinds of
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alternative fuels but doesn't conservation have some kind of role as far as -- we need to be uncomfortable occasionally. >> changing the light bulbs, putting your thermostat down. the truth is the silver bullet is our architecture building our buildings in a different way through different programs and energy efficiency estimated by google and their clean energy team that we could earn 30% of our energy and cut consumption immediately. we could wipe out the demand in a heartbeat. conservation is an underrated thing. energy efficiency programs is where our green jobs will be coming from. we need former coal miners who know how to work with machinery.
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we need a construction worker to go in and weatherize our house. that is what we are wondering. where are the green jobs? jones was kicked out of the white house. where are the green jobs? west virginia got $6 million in clean energy stimulus funds. that is just a drop in the bucket compared to the billions of dollars of coal subsidies. let's start this clean energy revolution. >> one last statement. our state legislature, to spend windmills on mountain tops if you look at the geological map, the most important areas are in different areas.
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we don't have enough sun. we need to keep after it. >> and we will. the policy limits you to ten books per person. you can come back and get another ten. we will only allow you to take ten books away and i am really sorry about that. it is policy. when president obama came to the inauguration we were exploited and watched with my children. a few weeks later we were in the streets of washington. we were at the capitol power plant. this power plants spewing mercury, this coal-fired plant that provides heat for our members of congress and the white house lit up with coal-fired plants for
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mountaintop removal. americans came and said they were willing to have civil disobedience to stop this cold power plant. before we even did the protest house speaker nancy bossi and senate majority leader reed announced they would transition to natural gas which is still a fossil fuel but at least it is a step toward a just transition and that is what we believe. my southern illinois needs to be liberated. since 1905 it at been completely dictated to the winds of the market in chicago and elsewhere. we need a just transition. what happened at capitol power plant, it is possible to take it
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to our congressmen or the community. [applause] >> jeff biggers is the author of in the sierra madre and the united states of avalanche of which was the recipient of an american book award. he is a regular contributor to the huffington post. to find out more visit jeffarebiggers.com. >> c-span's booktv features 48 hours of nonfiction books. this weekend john kerry of coop is the reluctance by, former cia officer talks about life in the agency before and after 9/11. he is interviewed by inspector general frederick hits. find the entire weekend schedule at booktv.org.
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>> i want to start with something our viewers know very well. the empire of liberty. >> this is the eighth book in the history of the united states. the legendary series. it is the start of the 1950s. gordon wood was one of the original authors and everybody knows he is somebody who spent his life -- this book covers everything from the new nation up through the end of the war of 1812. it will have a lot of political history. it is the book, a lot out of no matter whether the founding
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fathers or other areas. >> be right here, lanky book -- c -- >> it is an extraordinary piece. long-term project. i am not the only one ad in the book. the general editor also -- gordon had two positions and it is a process. authors really love it and other people don't love it. if it comes to the proliferation
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it is shorter than it was. >> what about the award winning author? you you worked with him along time ago to maintain and sometimes feel a little gratitude to make adjustments? >> 9 new i was editing a full surprise winner. and other people, anybody giving feedback especially on something like that. tried to figure out the level of editing, something that has not had a great deal -- >> let's get to a couple blocks you are talking about. the manhattan project.
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>> an assistant professor, and -- [inaudible] >> urban history project like making it to the united nations. there were orange neighborhoods outside that were not considered by urban planners. this is the making of four major projects and concludes the business community on the project. [inaudible]
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>> a un native new yorker? >> many new yorkers say no but i was born in new york. >> you are living this book? >> i don't live -- no. i work in a building that was not in one of these stories. it is buildings like that -- [inaudible] >> the rise and fall of american soviet experts. >> started talking about america going to war against an enemy you did not know. you could be talking about contemporary politics or how little the united states knew
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about the u.s. as are at the beginning of the war ended world war ii a lot of people were brought into government service through the u. s government and in the 1950s and 60s, how americans earned about the soviet union and that is the business plan. it brought us through that period of understanding a large part of the population. >> you can see the stock exchange. >> it is -- in 1980 it was important especially for
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students, think about -- this is our original essays. it has one piece of the reagan administration and a record producer. in terms of being an editor, think about what i remember to recover research about affirmative action or partnerships in cities or in the 1990s to put in with reagan foreign policy and the economy and other things. >> how different is this for the sole operator? >> it will be a lot tougher. ..
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c-span here. c-span, as most of you know devotes 28 hours every week to book tv and has probably, not probably but has been the for myself and the general read and more than any other organization in our history. it's truly fantastic. but we just finished the bicentennial celebration of lincoln and i can say without hesitation that c-span did more to celebrate with lincoln's bicentennial this year than in any other networks combined. they did a fantastic job of presenting lincoln had to the american people i want to tell you a little bit about lincoln
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and our culture today and then i want to take you back to the assassination and take you in search of the murdering beast as he tries to escapes from the federal authority disaster shooting abraham lincoln but i want to begin by reading you a from one of the dozens of brochures during the bicentennial. it reads abraham lincoln has become an american icon commemorated in music, poetry and sculpture. his words are quoted by poets and politicians. his face appears on stamps, coins and currency. fountain cities, highways bearing his name at the land. he has become the ideal symbol of america more so than any other figure in our history. his role in american culture is something of a phenomenon. he is instantly recognized by
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more people worldwide than any other figure in history. now, this first slide is not a close-up of the 5-dollar bill and i chose to illustrate this point is the dust jacket of a book by the director of c-span. now i chose this life long before i knew c-span was going to be here. this is not a quid pro quo or earmarks. >> as you know, bryan whammo has probably over 20 years conducted a show called booknotes on sunday evening in which he selects authors and he interviews them and during those years he's had a propensity for abraham lincoln. i think it is fair to say that briam lamb likes abraham lincoln and every chance he gets he features him on c-span
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"booknotes," or a book tv. but what is interesting is he and his assistant, susan swain called hundreds of interviews that have taken place the last 20 years and pulled out i think 56 that pertained to abraham lincoln and put out this book in commemoration of the bicentennial and i had a great honor of being one of those selected to be in this book. but my point is this, the dust jacket lacks a title, name of an author, publisher, there is nothing on it. imagine the discussion that went on in the marketing grumet the publisher when they were deciding what dust jacket that has for a book and they all came to the conclusion that this was the book jacket. it's all of you need.
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it immediately sells the book because abraham lincoln as a symbol cells. and money experience with publishers will tell you what sells a book on a dust jacket. the first is abraham lincoln. does anyone have an idea what the second symbol is the publishers say sell books? [laughter] >> marilyn monroe? not even close. [laughter] i doubt you will guess what it is. it is the swastika. there is a very deep-seeded fascination with evil as well as with great mass -- greatness. abraham lincoln ever since 1848 in polls conducted up through the year 2009 has generated the greatest president read by both
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historians and the general public. and do you ever wonder what the criteria is that is used in deciding who is greatest and who is least great. whatever it is it is the opinion of the individual and it depends upon the individual's knowledge, their reading and education. if you ask more historians why they've rate abraham lincoln the greatest president, the most immediate answer is almost he saved the union and he freed the slaves. but lincoln's detractors in the neo confederates would say after all it was lincoln that split the union and savory would have died its own death if left alone and didn't require a bloody civil war and the death of 620,000 americans. so you get both sides of the claim in the argument. and i have tried to look at some objective measure by which we
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could evaluate the figures in history, and being a book lover atacama put the idea of a biography. consider this. in the 24 months leading up to the bicentennial, there were an amazing 108 new lincoln books published. that is one each week every week for two years. what more could be written about abraham lincoln that there hasn't already been written about it? and yet i must say there is that occasional nugget that comes out, that area that really has not been explored or written about. but that number, one a week for two years tells you about the stature of the man or the subject. judge frank williams, former supreme court chief justice of the supreme court of rhode island is a lincoln scholar and collector and is lincoln's bibliographer now, and he has
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been for the past many years, developing a bibliography on abraham lincoln. going into the bicentennial, frank told me that there were 15,887 entries under the name abraham lincoln. think about that, 15,887 countries. second only to jesus christ. no one else comes close. so their must be a level of interest, and level of importance and above all financial interest. publishers are not critical publishing books that don't sell if people don't buy so this is a subject, this is the man who ranks everyone else in history. these books -- sorry, can we go to the next? to show you there is a book that is the title page.
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agreed american historians on the 16th president. these 15,887 literary subjects include books that range from next, please, scholarly work like lincoln day-by-day. this is interesting and which historians file together scoured all of the newspapers, primary documents, magazines, everything they could find in any library or archive or depository anywhere. to see if they could find what lincoln was doing on any given day of his life and compiled this three volume set and just as an example i will tell you what lincoln was doing on april 24th, today, 1861. now, remember april 24, 1861, fort sumter had been fired donner, eight states seceded from the union. washington was surrounded by the confederacy and lincoln is sitting there all alone. april 24, awaiting further
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troops for defense of washington lincoln talks to the wounded men of the regiment at the white house and the remarks, quote, i begin to believe that there is no north, end of quote. answers a letter a former senator john some of maryland, a former attorney general in recent maryland delegate to the conference, quote, i do say the sole purpose of my bringing the troops is to defend this capital. i of no purpose to invade virginia or any other state but i do not mean to let them invade us without striking back, end of quote. next. they ranged to the books like this, which cannot recently. i don't know if it shows up because of the lighting, but the symbolism on this book of course is the symbolism of the third reich, and what it does is
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compares abraham lincoln of course the nazi germany. the title is showing to the america's greatest dictator. this is becoming more and more of a popular theme because of the things that happened during the administration which historians today have explained and put into the proper context that take out of their context seeing everything but american suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, shutting down newspapers, sen serving them, putting people in military prison without bringing them before a magistrate and so forth. but lincoln had to fight the two wars, the confederacy in the front. but it's not all bad. there was one more slide. my favorite book on lincoln. this fellow did a book on best
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sellers and realized that the best-selling topics when the book was written four books about abraham lincoln, books about doctors and medicine and books about animals. [laughter] so his marketing department was very smart. they came up with a dust jacket of the right title, lincoln's factor. next. well, lincoln's rise to this position of the great american icon was very slow to start with. in 1867, two years after his death, congress appointed a committee to come up with appropriate memorial librium lincoln. the only thing is the failed to fund the committee and subcommittee died adequately. and a group of rather frustrated citizens in washington, d.c. got together and with the finacial backing of john ford, the owner of ford skeeter, put up this memorial to abraham lincoln.
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it's that sort indiana. in 1868 the statue of lincoln on top of the 40-foot tall column. the sculptor said he put it up on top of that column so that no assassin's hand would be able to reach lincoln again. wrong. in 1893 when they read greeted the streets of washington, d.c. they took a monument down and stored away. they put it back out again when the grading was done only when they came time to put it back up they couldn't find it. they looked everywhere and it was missing. so they wrote it off as lost. only a few friends of lincoln more i read. washington was still in southern city and wanted no representation of abraham lincoln in that city. anyway, they went looking for it and found the statute. it was laying in the mud slides along the potomac river have
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buried. so they took it out and with the help of the veterans, the grand army republic and the liege the cleaned all lot and set it back up again on the granite blocks outside the superior court of the district of columbia where it is today. the oldest memorial to abraham lincoln, 1860. very interesting story and its dedication. that being said in 1912 a bunch of enthusiasts -- from the ridges 1912, very early into the automobiles, got together and decided that they wanted to build a coast-to-coast highway from the times square in new york to san francisco. it was and it's and pieces. they put connected the existing pieces, interconnect where there wasn't any roadway the build it. they needed to million dollars
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to compete it from coast to coast and had difficulty raising the money. carl fisher, the head of this thing, had a brilliant idea. he said we will go to henry ford. who better to build the coastal highway supporting automobile driving. they went to henry ford and asked for funding to complete the road, and you just can't imagine what henry ford said, the great capitalist. no way this is a job for the federal government, not for private enterprise. ford said if i built that road from private funds, the government will never build another road or highway in the united states. and it is their job to build these interstate highways. and so he turned them down. [inaudible] carl fisher said okay and then he had a brilliant idea. next, please, bill. he decided he would name the
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road the lincoln highway, and would be the memorial, chris was looking for for abraham lincoln. [inaudible] from times square to san francisco, and recently it's been rejuvenated and the markers are being made again and please all along the highway. well, what congress eventually opted for was, then got, the lincoln memorial, and this, by the way, the original appropriation is on the $300,000. they concluded, and i think to briefly so, that the only proper way to honor someone like abraham lincoln was through statuary, through some heroic statute. and so the contract with david
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french, chester french to make the magnificent statue of abraham lincoln, which it sits inside the marble statue building filled with all sorts of symbols. you don't see much better. actually, why always find interesting about this, he designed this but to an italian brothers carved the whole thing in several pieces and put it together. the pirelli brothers. no one has ever heard of these brothers i'd sure that they're the guys that carved the statute and put it there. it's touted as the largest lincoln statue there is. if he were to stand that he would be 28 feet high, but he's not. this is the tallest lincoln statue. you can see by my wife and daughter standing at the base this is charleston, illinois than 62 feet high and the local people say it's america's answer
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to al qaeda. [laughter] that is the largest of course, mount rushmore. there is a park service employee preparing lincoln's knows. the ugliest stands in front of the state fair grounds at the university of illinois and the most contentious. this is the recently elected statue in richmond, virginia. to bind up the nation's won't. remember the third of april lincoln and his son walked the streets of richmond on april 4th with just a small guard of sailors completely on molested as he went through richmond, accept he was swarmed by blacks
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who thought he was a god when he came through richmond. there was enormous opposition to this they did a dedication to this and if you are interested later ensure that he can tell you about some of the things that went on to block the statue from being put their and tremendous negativity. they even hired an airplane to fly over trailing large banners against lincoln and have the statue removed, what surprised me to their credit the statue has never been defaced in any way and you see it is today as you see in richmond. now, one thing i didn't tell you about the hurwitz statues is there are 134 hero with statues of abraham lincoln. for more and any other individual on that phase of the earth and 26 of them are an
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forum countries. this is london, england that parliament square. it is the most beautiful one by the great american sculptor, august. there are lincoln statutes in oslo, norway, austria, london, edinburgh, scotland, new delhi, ecuador, tokyo, juarez, mexico. they are all over the world. there's an interesting story that goes with this one. when george bush first visits england to solicit the partnership of than tony blair and the war of iraq there of course was a protest that took place. and so the british rostow and built a huge wooden box over the entire statute about 6 inches thick because they were afraid that it might get defaced during
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the protests that were going on in the days that bush was in london with tony blair. i wish i could've gotten a photograph of it but i didn't. anyway this is the famous saint-gaudens statue that appears in the parliament square. we saw that last year. we were their last year. next, please. that is the original st. famous lincoln statue in chicago lincoln park. vv with a little bit differently than they do in london england. what i'm not so sure that is defacing lincoln as much as a cultural statement of potheads. the next pleased with the more modern sculptors coming out in the last few years of course in keeping with us and our advanced
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way of thinking and our interactive, they want you to go up and shake hands with him and say hi, how're you. [laughter] here is a good friend of mine shaking hands with the lincoln statue in westfield new york. this statute was but along -- you don't see her in it -- but little grace badell who wrote and said you should grow a beard because your face is so thin and the women would then vote for you in the reelection and you would become president, said he did. he grew a beard and met her at westeld and showed it to her. next, please. the lincoln trail. there is through three states a trail that is marked out following the migration right of the lincoln from kentucky where he was born, indiana, to illinois where he lived. the lincoln trail commission claims there are 3,000 lincoln
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historical markings mrking the historical sites of abraham lincoln. mix please read in and tiger village recreated every detail, 26 and ailing state park where lincoln lived for seven years. 1831 to 1837 where he said he went to college. he grew up and learned. it's a really lovely place. perfect exact replication of the village. you go there and you can really step back in history. the first time pat and i wind i called the director ahead of time and said what it possible to get in at 4 a.m., and we talked a little while and he said okay. sure. so we went there and we went between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. so we could be sitting there all by ourselves, no one else around.
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the sun came up and it was an inspirational moment to say the least. next please. the chamber of commerce says there are over 5500 businesses in the united states that have the name of lincoln. many of them are financial operations like lincoln national life corporation. lincoln savings and loans. why? trustworthy, honest, reliable, they never lie. so the capitalist on the image this subtle image of clinton as an honest, trustworthy individual as the very institution honest and trustworthy and would never lie on a bank statement. next, please. [laughter]
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a -- abe's market. abe's gulf. my favorite, abe's disco. [laughter] why not by a pillow filled with copps? he did because he had trouble sleeping at night so he slipped my fellow stuffed with hops. of course he didn't. that is total nonsense and even if he did it had absolutely no effect on his insomnia and walking at night. there should be a warning on here that alcoholics shouldn't use this below. [laughter] next, please. there are nine churches in the united states that have a dedicated stained-glass windows to abraham lincoln. only three of the churches he was associated with. the other six canoas is occasion with him at all. this happens to be in washington
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at the methodist church. next is the lincoln church in washington, d.c., the new york lincoln church. and they chose this window because while the presbyterians kneal when they pray lincoln always stood up and prayed in the middle of the congregation so they show him standing and praying. next, please. this is the abraham lincoln presenters association. there are i believe 105 individuals who represent themselves as abraham lincoln had a marvelous job of and around the country to schools, talking to school children and other groups carrying the message of abraham lincoln where everyone will listen. they meet once a year at the various place in the country for their various -- i think i counted 56 lincoln's and 11 mary
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todd's and one george washington. next please. now, this is the annual meeting in charleston west virginia. i had the honor of being the banquet speaker, and if you can imagine the anxiety, standing at telling schwinden's all about themselves. [laughter] it was quite anxious but we had a great time. next, please. this is the house in west virginia at mountain ridge. i had to put this in here. this is jim reubin, a famous lincoln presenter who got lost and saw that i lived on lincoln trail so he followed that. it took him to my house. lincoln is the number one, she's appeared on more magazine covers than anyone in the u.s.. they have a field day with him.
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there are over 7500 different postcards of abraham lincoln. you can spend the rest of your life trying to collect them all. their catalog at slightly over 400 different lincoln medals stand. next. and look at that one. is that strange? what is that commemorating. that is either commemorating his assassination or his barber. [laughter] you find strange things in this field. next. postage stamps, joe manchin the and i wrote, lincoln appears at my last count i think 64 u.s. postage stamps. different stamps. next. but he also appears on 58 foreign postage stamps,
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commemorating everything from his birth to the emancipation proclamation to his assassination. next. the penny. not much you can do with a penny today for sure, but it was the first queen in which a real person was shown on the coin. up to this point only historical figures were permitted. is a great controversy broke out in the congress as to where the president was being said and whether we should do this. and once they decided we should do it, the question was not on the penny. that's too low. put him on a silver dollar or gold $20 apiece. but they opted for the penny because it was the most common denomination. every schoolboy in america had a penny in his pocket, there for every schoolboy in america had an image of abraham lincoln and

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