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indicates there might be anarchist's on the premises at the world bank which has now established and in folk shop at their headquarters in washington d.c.. ..
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some of you may know that emma goldman is buried the forest home cemetery in chicago illinois at the end of the blue line south of the blue line get off the train walked two blocks south through the marble archways and its rot iron past the gypsy graves. take a left on the path and when you get to the haymarket monument you will see the haymarket tabare. look to your left about three rows back there are tombstones and you will see emma goldman's tombstone that looks a little dingy these days. much rusty year than the last time i visited. i wrote a book about the people
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buried in forest home some years ago. by capitalism on the american left. actually i call it the u.s. left but my publisher decided everybody is american. there are 72 radicals mostly communists and anarchist's buried in this plant around the haymarket monument and some heavy names in both the amicus and communist movement exactly like three tombstones from emma goldman is buried foster like the dictator of the communist party for years and years he was like the main ideologue and i'm interested in communist actually the entire black leadership of the communist party is. right there and people think all
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honest in their days and a lot of anarchist's is buried there. one of the great anarchist's early feminists and ashes are spread all there and they say that anarchist piano player civil war and of course my role model in doing this work is also very there to the haymarket and you will see a small kind of it looks like a granite pillow. one kind of it is poking up and nothing fancy and in fact it only barras lucey person's name
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and date and i take lucy parsons as my role model, you guys know about lucey parsing? you know that after elbert was hung in 1877 by the state, and it's interesting to me that he market monument is now part of the national park system, national historical monument. it's in fact largest by the u.s. government but all these people were trying to overthrow. so it's like kind of irony piled upon irony. more than 50 years after ellen parcel wanton lucey traveled from the sea to sea preaching to people about anarchism and socialism and talking about the haymarket marburg's and organizing the homeless and
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doing those good things he and emma would cross paths going to lectures and that is how you made you're living in those days talking to the folks about what revolution meant and anarchism meant and in that respect i take lucey parson as my role model. i've been there a number of times and i was there to welcome the latest in plant at fort test, a find surrealist writer malae understand had a memorial here some time ago in fact when rosemont by abruptly last year and actually i spent some time with penelope continuing publishing the oldest radical publisher in the country, maybe in the world, who knows. and franklin is buried under the
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arc of the haymarket marburg's monument hundred tombstones lab that says sir realism forever and certainly that section of that cemetery is part of surrealism, and immensely this a real place. if you get a chance to get murdered by capitalism i think for the last half it was sold here kind of gone away there's not a lot of copies left but and murdered by capitalism there is a colloquy between all the folks buried in the forest home and very sharp discussion between emma goldman and then right man who she feels betrayed him to the police and joe's ashes are billed out there and bill
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haywood, i was telling tiffany on the way over in murdered by capitalism there is a long rap i wrote for joe hill. joe hill list my name and [inaudible] i have a son who is a hip-hop local and so i am saying what i read a rapid and i start reading this and he says dad, that is some woody guthrie shit. [laughter] if you get a chance murdered by capitalism is a good read. i'm going to read from a variety of text but i have some books of poetry, some of them for sale, print by a gentleman during the uprising of 2006 and is conversed with that tremendous explosion of popular art that appeared on the wall of morongo city through 2006 and lester put
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them together. one is to the first anarchist, the fall in the mexican revolution command another is a lovely print about the most contaminated crime-ridden corrupt city in the americas. there are probably some more but first i'd wanted to read a bit from what has been my favorite book infil last year and we published this about ten months ago through the haymarket press called the iraqi girl. it is a blog written about well she was 14 when she began to write this blog the first year of the illegal invasion and occupation of the country called iraq in which she lived and she writes it from the standpoint of a young iraqi girl and jury involved in her family and involved in her studies and the
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muslim wollman and also just a kid. she looks at her desk and says libraries are in the trunk i could take them out and play with them that i'm not going to because i'm a big girl now. i went to school this morning and there was a body lying on the corner. and my best friend said that was nothing when we got to school. there was a body with no head on my corner. it's kind of eight anne frank of our time and it kind of days. we were in iraq when the war began we were human shields in bad debt for 100 folks in 34 countries. we lived the new international brigade or we thought we were. we were going to stop the war by placing our bodies between the iraqi people. it's pretty easy to say but we
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had an amazing adventures and this is how we met her through the journey of baghdad as the bombs had begun to fall and this is what she had to say about the bombs. dear america, november 13th, 2003. dear america, don't ask me questions about what is happening because the situation is bad. thank you america for your help. you have made my life more difficult than it was, worse than it was. we are more scared now. i should ask you a question. what do you do when someone enters your house without your permission? amine interest by force. tell me, what do you do? i would be a lawyer if i told
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you i couldn't sleep last night because i was so sad. the truth is i couldn't sleep because the americans were bombarding the neighborhood. what shall i say? i have so many words i want to write but i can't. when must we follow what america says, how long must we follow orders? three's america? we have the oldest civilization. we have the leal and the capability to remove ourselves. i respect the american people who are not with this war and want iraq to have peace. i respect the american people. my parents talked to me about the lived in america 20 years and admired the american people, but not the americans who have come to iraq now come of them. my parents were surprised when they solve the character of the american soldiers.
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tomorrow is our holiday. but because of your help i will have to stay home and not go anywhere all day. you know why of course. if you don't offer door help to market could be one of the best days of my life, but you help me, you help everybody in the world to destroy their own countries. but believe me, this is time to help yourself. she was 14 when she wrote that and i would advise you to pick up copies of this. this is a great book for young adults. it tells you a lot of what came down. let me read just a little bit more here. her relatives have been killed some of had to leave iraq, her beloved grandfather grew weary and died in may 2007. bomb cars break up the kitchen window of time but the family no longer replaces them.
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what's the use clacks her resentment has messed up her life. her childhood is redemptive. i'm 16. these should be the happiest years of my life. i should be a wild girl doing crazy foolish things, she complained, locked up one night after the next by the internal curfew. we go to sleep at 10:00 now like the chickens. are we chickens, she asked. black humor. one day her sister escapes a car bomb blast outside the university. when she returned home as she tells it she refuses to do housework. i was coming to die today and you want me to wash the dishes, she demands of her mother. she floats over the jokes she disperses in the text. the year of push's surge was a rough one for them. the curfew keep them counting
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the walls. and she is bored as only a teenager can be with college board exams called off three times because of the war and mosul but there were pluses, the american airplanes helped the community to discover the value of silence. she is pessimistic about the future. life is one thing we are not very good at, she writes, in her post your lost friend from where iraq once was. she translates for us the experience of her generation trapped in their homes and schools by the disasters of a war that has been imposed upon them by adult politics. her fondest memories are driving with her dad on the muslim rights to buy ice cream for six years now going out for ice cream can get her killed. there are many iraqi girls and boys and this story of what
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they've lost in this war. the precious child hodes. she implores us never to let the tragedy happen again. her book is a reminder that in dan war is our most important homework. to cut the book. it's called iraqi girl. target selected the teenage girl by ury and we called it coming of age under u.s. occupation which is exactly what has happened there. in iraq we continued on our way towards palestine degioia about resistance in palestine. we were there picking all of this, very redemptive.
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the palestinian economy, the palestinian barbara as poetry. all of it is paid to the all of is at the core of palestine so you think all loves what family to take them from the israeli troops and from the settlers must fall and you pick from trees hundreds of-years-old. it is a biblical moment. while we were picking and please i was attacked by a group of israeli settlers from brooklyn. the hilltop youth. they hit me with everything they have, let me say it that way, and i've record my vertebrae and i welcome this came because what happened to meeting all loves that they but i want to say when we came down from the hill the olive groves were always on the side of the mountain when we finally got down we were allowed to come down and the members of
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the town council came running up to me and said it is a terrible thing that happened, but now you well know in your own bones what we have suffered for the last 60 years and i know we'd in my own bones. i bring you that message from my bones. i am going to read a couple of poems from palestine and move on to some other events in our life. of course if you think i know where these poems are. this is called a piece of chocolate, and this is just an article i read the in a wonderful palestinian newspaper that never gets credit. it's called palestine week published in jerusalem and talks about a lot of things you don't think about the palestinian stock market, i mean it has that kind of -- it gives you some understanding of the substance
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of what palestine is if we had reduced to one dimension. the terrorist dimension for all this time. so this is called a piece of chocolate. the three young guest blaze to buy chocolate from the market. he was reluctant to allow them outside the small house so late in the afternoon, but their curfew had been lifted and the market was only 15 meters away. besides, they were good boys who always obey their parents and never threw stones at the soldiers of the occupation. so i gave them each one shekel and i told them to hurry back home. after just a few minutes, we heard a loud explosion and feared for the worst.
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a symbol is really tanked stood smirking in the street. you can still smell the smoke from its to double cannons and we saw the blaze lightning there in a heap. internal organs spread all around them and they're on the bloody ground and legs cut into two. only the one was untouched. when we ran to them we saw that the blaze were still holding the piece of chocolate in their little hands. both my sons died later at the hospital and we buried two brothers still with the chocolate in their hands. so this is what it means to be born a child in palestine these days. you will die in the street with a piece of chocolate in your hand and you will never get to
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eat it. a piece of chocolate. and just because it isn't all bad, palestine is indeed agricultural economy. it can't be all that if you have an agricultural economy. if you plant and cultivate and sell and take your olives and grow your wheat there's always some hope in the ground and this is called the first ran. the first rain comes at long last. we have made it to be completed many weeks for you drinking in the sunbaked days on the hillside talking to god about water, a conference call with the clouds. we are so thursday, the parched fields whispered to the wind.
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now the valley flashes an electronic beam of green leaves and the wheat promises bread in a victory. bread and victory. so the palestinians. other places of suppression, depression and oppression as we take a little trip around the world to talk about the country where i have been living the past 25 years. i came to -- i actually grew up in a great part of my leader adolescence and early twenties spent in mexico as a number put was a part of the generation and followed the beat to mexico city where in fact it was like the first outpost before they moved on and hung out with paul and william burroughs had an
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apartment and shot his wife in the head [inaudible] and that building has become kind of a shrine now in mexico city. [inaudible] never been translated and it was a place. in recent years lawrence, the perino of the generation, came to mexico. a couple of cases lawrence comes off -- he is 92-years-old now, unbelievable, and we read together at a place that had been a hangout back in the late 1950's. it was an honor for me to read with lawrence but also an honor
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to be able to celebrate that history in mexico city and that is why i came in. then i did a lot of things and when to jail a lot and became like the first guy to go to jail for reporting the industrial when the vietnam began and paid my dues and stepped back from the barricades for a second and i turned into a reporter so i worked in latin america for a long time and doing interviews with organizations in the andes [inaudible] columbia and all sorts of other dangerous types. then this earthquake occurred in mexico city, 1985, and i was working for a left-wing newspaper agency and they sent
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me back into cover what came down. earthquakes upset social structures and interesting things happened after the earthquakes. we will see what happens in haiti and chile now that things get turned upside down and mr. rall offering sample comes from an earthquake that occurred in 1972. so i came and settled in to this gloomy hotel in mexico city where the book begins and i've lived there ever since mainly because what happened after the earthquake was a movement of people that lived in the neighborhoods. if the house with its own organization, every building was its own organization. people have lived in the buildings for generations. every block with its own organization and every neighborhood had an organization.
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mauney neighborhood is the part of mexico city that was once an island, the capitol of the empire so our neighborhood organization was the popular union. and the civil society, germany and the rubble and within a couple of years we hit upon the presidency and indeed the left center party and the democratic revolution many people seem not left enough, i know, has run mexico city the last 13 years. there is no left point at anyplace of the world that is from the city so large for such a long time and it's been interesting to talk about that ride. but this book contains many
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vignettes and stories my neighbor told me that i've observed during the years i've been in residence in the most contaminated convoluted crime-ridden whatever -- city in the world. pardon me if anybody was listening i have to ask my favorite part of the books i'm going to read it again because it talks about mexico city is a city where 80% of the population lives in and around the poverty line 70% are in the middle class. about 3% are above the middle class and there is a tiny dot of people may be 300 families in the entire show in the entire country so the difference at the close divisions in mexico are very pronounced and it's what mexico was all about.
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anything you want to talk about from the drug war on down has to do with rich and poor so here's a little meditation called orlando's bonds. i miss orlando. every sunday morning on my way there he would be huddled against the wall of the church leading from the newspapers he had left from trash cans year. he seemed particularly interested in the football league. sunday he runs the newspaper would say orlando the tabloid that he would study in tensely all week. he ordered for the red devils. i called orlando and when he saw me coming sunday morning a wide smile he would break across his
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still features. orlando couldn't walk and he had a hard time saying words in a way that others could understand them. he dragged himself up around eating out of garbage bins out side of the mcdonald's and burger king and kentucky fried chicken. once when orlando was taking up residence in the landscape outside the offices on the next block he showed me what he had that day. to most eaten big macs, in all the chicken leg and a handful of ketchup and french fries and he rubbed his greasy belly in the light. it is owned by carlos, the richest man in the world. orlando was one of the poorest. he left only a couple of nights in the garden when i went by there the next day to check on him the guards were cleaning up
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the mess he left behind and cussing him out. most passerby's sat around the crippled man as he sprawled on the public sidewalk along the way to work or mass or the coffee dropped claims near him but were reluctant to put them in the black. really a bill was probably not even his name. i asked what he was called and the words that cannot sort of sam did like orlando so i always greeted him that way and he would grunt happily in return. then one sunday orlando spoke. he'd been rocked the mexican presidency in july of 2006 and there was a huge protest in the plaza. on the way back to the hotel i ran into him on his knees we saluted each other.
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i handed him a clean and he smiled and to my total amazement stated very clearly he was the president of mexico. i never heard him talk again. orlando had no fixed address. sometimes i would see him by the pharmacy soaking up the morning rays on the chilly winter day against of the walls of the national library across the rooms. i worried about it and always finding old sweaters for him. some day a few months ago he didn't show up. orlando haven't come in for his newspapers. there are zero ways a handful hanging around outside of the church. i think the priest feeds them on sunday morning when the churchgoers are good for a few
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clients but they hadn't seen them either. the next sunday morning orlando wasn't there either. who parked cars for the mass hadn't seen them all weekend neither had the priest. the third sunday morning it was raining hard and there was no one outside to ask so i went looking for orlando. [inaudible] i checked where the homeless sometimes can't the trail grew cold. fearing the worst i've stopped asking for orlando. he simply vanished into [inaudible] and the monster hadn't even bothered to spit back the bones of orlando. mexico city is a hard place and
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a rewarding place. there isn't a day that goes by that we don't have hundreds or thousands of marchers and demonstrators in the plaza. i've attended some of the demonstrations of their i can tell you exact we how many people were out there and what time do they get there and whatever and what they are complaining about. but the fight back in mexico is right their like a fist coming right up in front of us is may 1st and although we tend to forget me first is an american holiday as american as apple pie and polish sausage and since 2006 we've gotten the people into the street on may 1st to demand immigration rights in this country and that will
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happen again. let us remember 124 years ago during the battle for the eight hour day that later the haymarket martyrs' torshavn that battle was fought by the eckert and workers. they were all german workers and now it's latino workers so there is a continuum what may first is to the international working class focused on the question of immigration workers' rights. so people talking about doing something me first go to the boston comments but i would encourage people to come out for the festivities. it is a day as we say in mexico not a day of fiesta but a day of struggle and a good day to get in touch with struggle that is everywhere in this world
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everyday, every minute of the day, the class format never goes away. we have to remember that. so, here's a situation. this year is the 100th anniversary of the mexican revolution. the 100th anniversary with the 200th anniversary of liberation from spain, the beginning of the revolution and struggle of war of liberation from spain. and it seems like the with the mexican political metabolism works is sifry hundred years on the tenth year of the century mexico explodes and social upheaval. 1810 was liberation. 1910 mexican revolution and this year is 2010 so what is going to happen in mexico. i'm not going to give it all
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away because if anybody has time tomorrow they could drop by the university of maryland in baltimore where i will be speaking about precisely this subject 1810, 1910, 2010, will the revolution come again. wi-fi but talked about for second -- let me see. actually no since it is the 100th anniversary of the mexican revolution let me read a couple of columns then i will talk about one projection i have for 2010. this is a poem that lester framed in the style of guadalupe and i have copies here for sale and this is a story briefly told of the guy who was the first anarchist to fall in the mexican
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revolution. many of us know about the brothers and check the vara was part of the group and she jumped the un on the revolution to the revolution began in november 2010 and he falls in may of 2010 in the raid on the town of chihuahua and he's buried there. beginning with some words from him. the life. a gentle breeze flows through the palace is in the dungeons, stables and cantinas, factories and barracks, the birth of the revolution. a sudden shot he does not see
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the bullets he tumbles from the saddle. the weeping. the bones praxides. the dusty boneyard sweet sugar dancing with abandoned [inaudible] [applause] a poem for another revolutionary hero i also read but i like to read it is called across the
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chihuahuan desert. [inaudible] , three flat tires. he has a hangover and is just below the parlor. [inaudible] she's 118-years-old. he is tired of of revolution and losing horses just a ghost lost in the mystique now. his own head has been missing ever since. college kids started up in 1926. the memory is fading. maybe i will take a job or join the army. the menudo is making him sweat. he can no longer find his mouth
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but he remembers it as being somewhere between his years but unlike a disheveled tumbleweed of the chihuahua desert, the home for francisco. another revolutionary hero we think about every now and then and then only going to read this in spanish see you control your own conclusions. [speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish]
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[speaking in spanish] [applause] so we are going to have a new revolution here. let me tell you a place i don't think we will of the mexican revolution this year. from my first book of rebellion
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from the roots the pitch black might suddenly came alive with darkened shadows. the slap of rubber boots against the pavement echoed through the neighborhoods on the periphery of town. [inaudible] catching from block to block. across the narrow point down the rugged [inaudible] from the marketplace district dark military cadence, behind ski masks and hanging in the mountain air like papers from a cruel past many mexicans had remembered they were without faces on the center of the city.
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the colonial cities on the islands of the southernmost impoverished state. so it began to the rebellion january 21st, 1994 and the first hour of globalization of the american free trade agreement sweat began the rebellion. i thought i would spiegel about what this -- i have an incredible poem on the show talking about today well, we hear that they have become thugs in treating private property and they are advancing and i couldn't believe this. i haven't heard this kind of
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talk in many years. it's what we used to here in the first rebellion from the ranchers and i don't -- it didn't sound like it was a rancher to me so who knows where this information was coming from and what kind of right-wing agenda and he was pursuing. but i think we ought to be taking a look at what is going on with. i often kind of make [inaudible] i think many of the of books i wrote including rebellions of the routes which was a guidebook many people brought it with them when they came down and we came down and presented and january 1995 the book had already been there. somebody from ohio brought so for many people it was kind of the way they got there and in subsequent books i think there is a marvelous mexican verb.
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over the mengin allies to. and i take a personal persona that is just a persona was over dimensional last and i think historic plea when we look at things a lot of us were involved in the battle on the alliance of environmentalist labor and human rights people that opposed nafta and nafta only passed congress by 34 votes. a beacon of globalization as i say and after it was over the rises in the first might call the movement across the corporate globalization on the climate and picked up on them right away and it's a focus on the whole dimension of what they
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are was unfortunate and i also think it fills a void in our own being when the message from the beginning shouldn't have been come and see the revolution for the first hand and many did and many can't example to the intergalactic of 96 porth was officially called it wasn't global position but neoliberalism. but we have a siege of seattle. that is where i first learned about the globalization of the workshops and three years later in the streets of seattle and i look around and see people over their seattle grew out of that meeting that we lost the message that what it was all about was being where you are, to do what
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they do where you are rather than put a poster on wall, rather than to record every single word he ever uttered as has been done in three huge volumes now and look more at what we can learn from the rebellion and how we can do that and our own communities. of course this is not a space country. i think you all could be an agreement so the course of the revolution, the key point was in 2001 when after many years of struggle to pass the indigenous rights law in the congress it was based on agreement which granted all indigenous people on
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all economy after that was by congress they withdrew the national picture and we began to lose sight of this and we can look here between 2001 to 2003 and never were quite able to recapture public imagination after that and because they were not that much interested in doing that. they kind of retreated from the national situation and the international scene and began to build their own communities and their own autonomy and my last book on the topic is making it possible that describes the procedure, the process they began to get off the grid so now we see for example the communities in at least the
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southern part in the jungle zone of the geography literally getting off the grid. they came in from the solidarity movement hooked up by the mexican electricity workers union and there was a lot of solidarity there and now the arana electricity but they also on their own educational system and the educational systems the deal with indigenous education which deals with a radical understanding of mexico and the history of latin america and that means a classroom in every one of the 1300 plus communities better said batista communities. some of them are very small. some of them ten or 15 people in the middle of the jungle reserve. we're talking about 150,000 lions, subgroups.
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they were not dialect's the actual language systems around five public centers and they serve as a kind of alternative county he to you might say. they've got no electricity or degree in terms of health care, preventive health care additional plant during surgeries at the hospital and the agrarian system they effectively combat the contamination of genetically modified corn which is now threatening mexico everywhere the place corn comes from eight millenniums ago and is the farmers or seed savers. they save their seats and with
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the other folks are about is making it a crime. they focus on dealing with the way that is affecting not only mexico's system of nutrition but also the culture. quorum as part of the culture. the monegan people are the people of corn. that doesn't mean they eat and grow corn which of course they do but it means they are made out of court so when you talk about genetically modified corn who are talking about genetically modifying an entire culture that has existed from millenniums so this is what he was up to. i think what is happening is
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very effective for them and exactly what they set out to do when they began their rally in. the message wasn't so much we are going to be in the vanguard of the struggle against the corporate globalization but it's more like we want to be let alone. we don't want them to come in here and by us ought to get money. we don't want rhodes to work with to bring them in to buy the corn cheap and sell it on the market for more and making profit on the labour. we don't want that. we want to control our own destiny and that is what has gone on. it's not page one. it's not a big story. thank god there are reporters who to some extent and other reporters have continued to bring the message out. but the real message as i said from the beginning is the
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batista where you are. finally i'm going to get out of here with questions and answers and i'm going to read the cullom and if c-span has problem with language used in this poem they can close their years it's called the revolution isn't like a faucet and it's much more effective if i stand and shout this that you. >> this is old, the 1970's when people were thinking of the government need to be overthrown. the revolution does not begin over coffee. it doesn't begin over gravy and grits or the last hit the morning shit it doesn't begin pulling shame on the graveyard shift or making the wealthy aligned by line.
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the revolution doesn't begin in your mind, your heart, you're liver, your prick, doesn't begin when you punch your fist. the resolution doesn't begin in 1776, 1917, the depression, the donner, doesn't begin with boo hoo, the news, havana, manana, the resolution doesn't begin with the bottom of bottles on the pages of bibles with the blues. the resolution does not begin. the revolution has no beginning. if the revolution is unending. of the revolution is not like a faucet. you can't turn it on and off. the revolution leaks all the time. you can't call a plumber to fix it. [applause]
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so i've rattled on here for a long time. i'd like answers more than i like questions but throw what you've got out here and we will have a dialogue. >> you didn't give your predictions for 2010 so i would like to ask what is happening politically now and this is not an election year [inaudible] organizing and that -- i'm curious about what is the organizing work and going on across mexico? >> as i said i will talk on this much more tomorrow there are a number of arms organizations in
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mexico and some have been in conflict with the federal army. so i think we can look towards states traditional in arms of people mexico and i think we should also keep an eye on the north revolution in mexico comes from the north. it's where all of the heroes of the revolution came from the north and went south. it's also where in the 1960's and 70's a number of organizations function and kidnapping consoles and holding that banks and police and there indeed have been a number of incidents, i would call them
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incidents involving an artist groups bring back one including chick vara that have been bombing bank's atm machines dozens at a time and new car show rooms and even a slaughterhouse in mexico state both on september 15th of last year which was the anniversary of a struggle for independence and then again january 1st ushering in the year of the revolution 2010 and the groups were active in mexico city and mexico state in guadalajara so there was a spread. part of the attacks, but there has been a number of those there is a page actually called
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conspiracy of fire that lists all of the activities if you want to take a look at those statements. and when you read on the internet is what's there. you have to either accepted or don't accept it or take it with a grain of salt but allegedly there are 70 armed groups in mexico that have struck a chord to take some kind of action during the coming year so i think that is all that needs to be looked at. you can't have a revolution unless you have the masses. >> what is happening amongst us. >> i think that when we look at the mass movement of mexico it comes in cycles and fortunately very attached to that election cycle. people will write out there and try it all over again. you would think some placed on the line people are going to say
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forget this. it doesn't work. and as you point out 2012 will be the next election if we get to that. never forget we have a country in which 23,000 people have been killed in one of the most ill-advised battles that focuses on drugs in the history of the continent it is a whole lot of people. i will be talking about that institute for policy studies on thursday about what a big stand at the drug war is. and america has this phenomenon that the cia likes to call for a marco and would be looking at an alliance between our organizations and the marcos. all i can see as i've been on the left a long time and there's always somebody in every group that says the end justifies the
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means and they do have guns and money and they are corrupting american youth i guess if that is the way you want to put it destroying the fabric of imperialism from within. so that might be one scenario. a mass movement in 2006, july 30th, 2006 with 2 million people on the streets of mexico city. when you put too many on the streets and ask them to march decant march. they just stand there. they took up all the spaces. so what remains of that movement, that movement is kind of spread and we spent the three years traveling to the most obscure communities in the country's leading behind groupings of people so there is

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