>> for the river to the mine and if you went to new england and 1955 or 60 and look at the hoodooing lenders sent to congress you would get a 50 percent republican and 50%

democrats. today this all democrats. would you go out west it is almost the opposite and all republican and to some extent the country is being regionally segregated and now region and parties are too kind to align men. the first time that happened in a serious way was 18551 the missouri compromise collapsed and we know what happened 1860. [laughter] there is a lot of reasons to be concerned about where the country is headed but i will say with the upbeat note to when i travel whether here or to the midwest or mountain west most of the people i talk to populate the political center i still think united states is still

a centrist country may be center-right as opposed to center-left but most people are in the big sweet spot but the problem is that is not where the parties are. we need to find some way to bring our political system back in touch with reality. if that happened to make to be confident to see a return to central some and bipartisan that is needed to fix what we have at home which in turn is needed to do with the diplomatic landscape fed desperately needs a focus 250 america. thank you. [applause]

>> i did take over five and a half years as my wife reminded me repeatedly. it was a labor of love at about an organization called the epidemic intelligence service my friend told me about it. and first he sent me an e-mail to say you ought to write a history of the eis and what is that? epidemic intelligence service. i thought wow. there is such a thing? hawken it is part of the cdc and began 1951 and i will show you the guy who started it alexander was the head epidemiologist for the cdc

at the time it was called the communicable disease center and had the ada he wanted to get young doctors into the field immediately within 24 hours of being notified there was an epidemic to have their bags packed and ready to go and it sounds exciting and it was by guess why? nobody wanted to go into the field of public health or realize this was an interesting area because it appeared then new antibiotics would wipe out all bacterial diseases and we would get more and more vaccines to do with the virus is and people thought we were going into a dying field. forget it. he was correct we have not exactly vanquished all of the microbes of the world but could not get anybody interested to join the group

because it was considered a dead end. weaver in the middle of the korean war. there was a doctor draft and they did not want to go. if they joined the eis gave them an out and they spent two years in the program and by the time the draft ended with the viet nam war, it had become a well-known organization and they did not need the doctor draft per bru-ha-ha anyway a bigger than life character at his daughter said when he walked into a room that you could feel the room tip towards him. he was arrogant. intimidating. eis officers were very afraid of him medicis the silverback pose. brilliant and a visionary

and lead eis natalee to dealing with microbes but in too many other areas says while. >> we're here at the national press club talking to swanson about his new book bloody crimes. what inspired you to pursue this angle? >> when i finished manhunt i started to realize the hunt for john wilkes booth was one-third of a great trilogy of stories of unfolded at the end of the sum or the other was the final journey of abraham lincoln and jefferson davis after they fell from power became a greater martyr and he wrote after the fall then during the height of the presidency so that interested me. these final journey is of lincoln and davis are just as important as of lewis and

clark lowered to the move because it created myths about what america is. i don't think the civil war is over i thought about doing one book about bowling 10 funeral train and the davis escape but i was visiting willie lincoln's tomb and abraham lincoln would visit that spot alone often when i walked the path to realized one of the sons of jefferson davis was buried next to a path and abraham lincoln had to walk past the a grave of the sun of jefferson davis to walk to the tomb of his own dead son and they had more in common than just a final journey happening at the same time and i found out lincoln and davis had a bizarre similarities and that is what inspired me to

do the book about both of them because all the would never think it they were so alike and maybe one to write the story and one booked. >> where did the title come from? >> guest: bloody crimes comes from john brown and abraham lincoln. when brown was the execution he was allowed to under line the favorite passages in the bible from the book of ezekiel common make a change for the land is full of bloody crimes than on the morning he was hanged he handed a piece of paper to say now convince the crimes of the bloody land can only be purged by a blood and also we think of his second inaugural address to be peace and brotherhood and reconciliation but there is a dark passage that has been completely forgotten and

essentially says a fall of the blood had drawn by 250 years of slavery half to be repaid by a blood drawn by the sword, let it be so-so his discussion of a blood inventions and john brown's a prophecy of blood to come gave me the idea for the title of the book. >> host: what is your next project? >> i spent time around death and assassination and slavery and imprisonment and death of 620,000 americans. i will take a break and do man had died of privilege to become with friends with two thriller writer survival try to create a thriller novel series there maybe death and destruction but it will not be real progress will take a break from non-fiction to create a thriller novel.

>> host: thank you for your time. >> is chicago economic history but they have transformed the financial system in ways that people don't fully appreciate and that goes lowered traders as well as those and understanding for they came from is a story that has not been told very much and am not realizing it is not told in this book the there also scratches the surface and deserves a lot more attention and i know i have more stories people who use

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seller for a specific commodity for a specific future delivery day. the easiest way and is used to offset risk is taking an airline company who needs to use a lot of fuel on a regular basis and if the fuel prices go up it can have a severe impact on the profitability use of they realize that crude oil is $80 a barrel and concerns a make or $100 they have the ability to purchase they need at a given price of $80 knowing that will be the final cost. >> host: they use the futures because they have too much risk and what makes it such a fund business is

chicago who has people who are willing to take the risk >> the real economic reason for having futures contracts are those who want to avoid contracts but also provides a great opportunity for those who want to assume risk in search of profits. >> did he finger it is our pleasure to welcome paul david pope author of "the deeds of my fathers" how my

grandfather and father built new york and created the tabloid world of today" with bud "national enquirer" a part of the story no surprise there is no shortage of celebrities but this is a portrait of an immigrant family. paul david pope went to 500 interviews and archival sources to piece together his family's history. he will be in conversation tonight with rachel sklar at and former media editor at the "huffington post" in founder -- facilitates maker of giving to change a ratio to promote visibility and access and opportunity for women and it is also a right to and the author of a stroke of luck, a life crisis and rebirth and is working on another book. she is also a former corporate attorney and i cannot believe she found the time to be with us this evening. [laughter] >> tonight the book is available for sale and mr. probe will sign your

copies broker we will receive a copy for free if you become a member and memberships earn free access to the museum for one year. before we get to the book signing we will have you and say and if you have a question, raise your hand we will form a line at the microphone so everybody's question is heard. please turnoff to cellphones and about paul david pope and rachel sklar. [applause] >> host: it is true i don't have much time but this book was so hard to put down and so engrossing and so fun i had to remind myself it was nonfiction because it reminded me, you know, when in your formative reading stages you read the epic family saga

and i was really, really into these family sagas when i was growing up. this kept reminding me of follow the amazing stories but it was real it is amazing media story, immigrants story, in new york story and construction business story. my first question s which story resonated with you the most why you do the research and what came to life and the unexpected way and which talked to you in a way that you were not expecting? >> guest: my grandfather story because he came over in 1905 at 15 years old with no money, did not speak english, the first night was spent on a park bench but yet went on to build most of new york city and owned the

largest -- company in the world price started "the deeds of my fathers" to ponder the "national enquirer" i realized i cannot just tell the story of my father without telling the story of my grandfather. >> host: your grandfather is a fascinating character. for "the reader" it is a character. so much steely determination how he would work in the sand pit and push himself to the very limits to keep himself so focused on learning english and assimilating to better himself. is that what you remember of him? how does the early version of your grandfather reconcile with your memories? >> guest: my father would often talk about his father and more than drive and ambition the more i learned

about him, 1928 he purchased "il progresso" newspaper the largest italian newspaper for the immigrants coming over. not just the backbreaking laboring he went to a takeover of the sand pit companies and all of the eyes italian newspapers and there's a radio station and he was the most successful i saw an immigrant of our time. >> host: he was the first i sign aerogram billionaire? the first fund fact? >> guest: for sure. it was not about the money. he wanted to build a place where i italian immigrants to come over and he wanted them to feel safe and have a home. of course, they did not speak english. for me, it just being in new

york city, everytime i am here i have to step back to say this is the city that my a grandfather literally had his hands-on. >> host: when you walk past rockefeller center or radio city or the holland tunnel the use say that segment, cayman from my grandfather's company? and do you look at the city differently now? >> guest: i do. after i did the research and now it is more profound than ever. i do appreciate it more. definitely. it is amazing. >> host: talking about "il progresso" and i cannot help but draw parallels with today. "il progresso" basically reach out and consolidated i italian-american immigrants as first day massive segment

has a population than a poaching block. how would do you see parallels between what "il progresso" did and wielding the power of one community to say how the media interacts with sir tim blocks today? we are here and the jews are another 13 block but also the tea party and how we began has segmented like the tea party speaking to a certain brand of media and can you draw any parallels? >> guest: as far as the tea party i will go with my father first. does not matter left or right he would just go where the momentum was going. for my grandfather, whether jewish or an italian, it was the emigrants story crossing

every border. he did. so this is not just a story of a italians but humanity and all of us. >> host: i want to segue into your father's media empire. of the "national enquirer" was described it in 2008 as the big year, they broke the edwards' story and scoop of the mainstream media and subsequently for their efforts with high content chance of the pulitzer prize as described as its checkbook journalism and focus on the salacious is hardly the grip for a journalism school class is. by your dad pioneered a whole style that can look away story, there is a part in the book where he goes to "the daily mirror" then writes five -- headlines and

one of which was a light eight mydb. [laughter] maybe people did not know what they wanted to see but then could not look away. that struck me as an outguess as what is on the internet. do you think that is for journalism school? >> absolutely. back in 1952 my father purchase the paper with circulation of 70,000 called the new york inquiry he had a gruesome accident and started to run a crime and gore the circulation went up and was all in the supermarkets and then 3 million in 1973 eclipsing the 1977 wary we had the elvis presley issue, 7 million copies. >> host: also the other

copies were bought. [laughter] >> guest: there are so many stories. the old the story itself is amazing. he sent a team of reporters, 50 people to memphis, tennessee and a peppered the town with money and paid everybody off and basically gave my father the story. that was not enough and said i wanted pitcher of the king and the coffin and lo and behold 2:00 in the morning we got to one of the cousins and walked in and took a snapshot and that was a famous pitcher. but to talk about checkbook journalism, he was the founder of checkbook journalism and it has changed a lot but it still exists today. people pay whether the

internet, so i don't shy away from that. i don't have a problem with it and i think it is done all the time. >> host: it struck me also reading the book that it could be seen as a business book because it is about innovation, like it or not that checkbook journalism and how the old story was procured put the inquire at the front of the checkout line was innovation and and even to puree sand and gravel forgive me if not the right term. [laughter] but the cement that made colonial into a massive construction company. even arguably about the more shoddily elements brought down by uncle frank?

you could pull lead in a different way but how is this day business but how do you feel about the entreprenuership? >> guest: and the story is of the american century of two giants larger than life characters that really left an imprint on new york city and a tight americans no matter what ethnicity that your and the tabloid nation of today. as you mentioned as you mentioned in journalism school, it shows the american dream is alive and well and still to this day. the men perseveres enormous family dynamics and the godfather crossed with the "citizen kane" and people

say what about organized crime? my responses in those days they were like celebrities. >> host: the mobsters? >> guest: yes. >> host: we have seen the movies. [laughter] >> guest: maybe they have changed. >> guest. >> host: as part of your family legacy, you said at the outset that you tried to possess the family and it meant there were flawed with ties to the organized-crime and how does it feel to be the bearer of that kind of legacy and you're now involved with philanthropies so do you feel that is in the past and now you have to

go forward or do look at the past to say everybody was doing it? have you take that family legacy the good and bad and reconcile? >> guest: i totally embraced it i never like to look back but at the time especiallespeciall why my grandfather that was part and parcel and even to the extent just to clarify it was the real-life godfather like going to a family friend to say i need a loan. i say if i could achieve just one quarter or half of what they have achieved very time i am in the city i think look at what my forefathers did. >> host: also a good family story with a lot of lessons about how families and maybe there are many

beautiful women looking at the photos in the book but one thing that struck me is what you're father said i want to leave the company and he said no, no, no we can figure this out between ourselves and then they muscled him out for broke what kind of a lesson for family business? >> unfortunately history does repeat itself and there were many beautiful women. [laughter] but talk about the perot's and my father is the patriarch and picked my father that created sibling

rivalry when my grandfather passed away they asked him to get out that is why it is a rags to riches and rags to riches story. my father had to start all over and that is what he did. the parallels exist. i am incredibly thankful how hard they have worked and what they have accomplished is more than anybody could do i have children so i try to spend more time with them. breaking the chain, that is one of the things there is a redemption and a lot to learn and it was a journey of self discovery and when i go back going back to italy to a poker may june 2001 and

what an experience that was. to us to walk the streets and smell the air it was not enough to read about it in a history book. i always encourage people to trace your lineage and it is rich in history. >> host: is that the big take away? >> one of many. the american dream mess still alive and that is another one and tenacity and ambition and the american dream is what i want them to take away. >> host: i think we should open two questions. i have not looked at the time i can't come up with more. there is a lot and the book.

. . mostly people who worked for my father and grandfather. you know, people in all walks of life. again, going back to town he lived in. and certainly the team i had was phenomenal and the researchers and it went out to me. it wouldn't have been possible without them.

i learned so much from the interviews themselves. in fact, there's too great, great things that we came across. one was from a couple called hal and arlene brecker. they were reported in the fact that it's commissioned a book to be done about his wife. i thought that i actually had a transcript with my father after he purchased it talking about the family. that was the one moment that i said wow. and he described me in certain ways like my grandfather. i said let me start investigating a grandfather. without that, the story wouldn't be what it is today. there was another great thing we came across. another disgruntled group that reported unless their company and i bought all their research material. so for example, people that had worked with frank costello,

although sources. but that still wasn't enough for me. i got a little bit compulsive about it. i really went to a bit overboard and had to stop myself. in fact, we probably use maybe 5% to 10% of all the research material for this vote. i'm really sitting on treasure trove of a movie and a history piece in all these ancillary things. i can tell you that without the information that would have been possible and people like possible. i califano thinks lamb for them and everybody who's been with this. there were times i thought it would never come to an end. but it did end again and just

really, really honored and amazed. this is happening. >> my question is, if your grandfather was still alive today and you gave him a copy of your book, what would you expect his reaction to be? what would you like to say about that? >> i think you have a great reaction. i think you'd be proud of it. i think he'd be proud of what i've accomplished and i think you'd be part of the book. this is a man who dedicated his entire life to this city, to italian-americans, two people in general, to human. and he never -- you know, to the detriment and made sacrifices. he was a workaholic. this was his life. he died at an early age because he works so hard.

>> thank you. >> did you ever meet your grandfather? >> they never did. he died in 1950. but i feel like i know him. >> i sort of feel like i know him. [laughter] >> my question is actually requests. i understand that you might be willing to read a little bit from your book and i was wondering if you would do that now. >> absolutely. i'll warn everybody we were passing before we arrived collins fashion not tickle in the outcome of place around me corner who sells the magnifying lens. my eyes are a little bad, so bear with me.

so the section you're about to year begins on page 44 of the boat. it actually pertains to the place where sitting in tonight. weeks passed, general slept the floor and deliver groceries to tenements in the neighborhood. he introduced himself to dozens of people, nearly all of them italian. they seem to be the only people around. he finally ran into antonio who had been in the hot but with asthma and was now going home to italy. he took the altoona tom and then walked way downtown to the bustling street of the other little italy. he picked up words in english and tried using them in conversation and found out every night in a tiny english

dictionary on your stereo. he bombarded the men with questions about america and its politics and was disappointed to hear his mentor was like a lot of italian immigrants ignite who hadn't bothered to learn much about their home. why should we, rosario said. we have no power here anyway. unit they call us mustache, general soukup reading about the canal america was building between the two oceans and his imagination fired up listening to stories that the president to monitor built no matter what. he had to know more about this great man, this president, teddy roosevelt. he had tired of looking to the american papers in english and finally found some in the progresso. it told how roosevelt hallowed invented himself over and over, from being a tickly rich kid to

encounter an ex-player and a soldier and a writer and a scientist to being a politician and now he was president of the united states, the youngest president in america's history. having been sworn in with an anarchist assassinated another president. how extraordinary was that? any president replacing the assassinated president without more violence. but this roosevelt was a man of greatness. this is a man. he also decided to imitate. in those weeks, generosa had also sweated in the misery of the new york summary, every few minutes he lay sleepless in the room with no air to breathe, imagining the cool breezes on his backpack on, but not home soon. cheer carlo he had written. america is a place of dreams coming true. one day you'll join me here and we will do great things

together. because he had ridden the subway and felt the speed and admired his power on the ground, generosa applied for a job at the pennsylvania railroad that was digging tunnels under the east river to be used on daily trains traveling from manhattan to long island. he was hired not as a digger. he made $2 a week on the same pay rosario offered him for far less dangerous for. generous so long to build monuments that would stand forever like roosevelts panama canal, not sell peaches that would be gone tomorrow. the subway was modern. new york was modern and working on the new york subway would make a modern, too. for $3 a month, general brennan to room in the same building where he gone for the poor antonio, which left him $5 a

month for his needs and something he could send to his family. see which is caused 3 cents. he felt rich. generosa's dissent batter down the street of this new world pollute change town. under flickering lantern light, amid danger shadows, then blast with dirt and dust are taking to tunnels who ran side-by-side, deepening the areas. even on the coldest days committee are both hot and thick and except for the lack of pics hot babes, the most common sound of coughing. tons of dirt bucket by bucket were carried in the tunnels and generals ran for man to man with a pail of water that he ladled out whenever someone called for and there is always someone calling now. by the end of his 10 hour shift, he too would be blast. having finding way home and only have enough energy to buy some soap and this from the matches.

his name francesco could dealio. he was also 15, 30 and in america 10 years already and more expensive clothes and carried pocket full of cash. they liked watching the games, but never spent a day. the more he watched, the more you wanted to. he saw most of the money ended up in francesco's pocket. he insisted that they speak english. learning english was generosa most difficult job, harder than anything he did underground, but he was determined to keep at it. all of the words were italian except for a few peered his roots were in africa. generous so watched carefully.

what pleased them first with hard work. they considered the man will do more than horses come in maybe he has so many couldn't be english well. generals decided taking english would show them that he deserved to be more than a water boy. he believed they artemio he was their best water boy, so maybe they'd they'd hand him a pickax or a shovel, which was more. one day he overheard two by yanni talking about long island. they mostly shut down for the winter and the workers who didn't go back usually can shanties or barracks on by men who also owned the stores that sold them the food. by the by the time marx came along he owes so much they could never afford to leave the job, even when they wanted. there likely is 11 of them said. but you work outside in the fresh air and get paid more, too, generosa five.

generosa gave himself until march, three months. if he was still water boy than, he would be for long island and lie about his age. in those three months, he listened and watched and learned much as possible. late in march, still a water boy, he said goodbye to stream a common gathered his staff and stood on the website.i'm awaiting for sandbars to be uploaded before making the ship with him aboard out to the port washington payment via that jutted into long island 20 miles away. he breathed a cold sea air and decided this was all part of a master plan for which even he could see the master blueprint. he had gone out to the stock every day for a week, begging him to hire him for work in the pit. yet made such a nuisance of himself that they finally said yes. and now here he was, watching

the sand being loaded on a horse-drawn cart, waiting for his new job to begin, his new life to begin. [applause] >> i don't want to spoil any thing, but i feel you all appreciate the kid with the dice and ended up changing his name to frank fellow. actually, there are so many big names in this book and 500 interviews. i wonder if you could address two or three of the most significant or revealing. sinnott shot, mussolini and 500 interviews. >> well, you need to few. mark cohen would be another one.

>> can you elaborate on two or three that remain the most in your mind for the most significant. >> sure. of all the interviews, i would say definitely without hesitation the most significant would be my father's. but the people we interviewed i would say some of the staff at the paper, you know, the worked with my father for all those years. their names would be recognizable in the sense of the main recognition. we did interview a lot of other people in different politicians. we interviewed a lot of people off the record because they didn't want to be on the record and they are in the book as well. and you know, we received a pop-up family from italy. they were really helpful. of course i'm a grandfather came over, he americanized pope.

so there were so many people that were profound interviews. dino gallo would be another one, though it much easier to shelley, mary pilsen, just to name a few. i could go on and on and on because there's so many. >> having such a grand family legacy like when you have an obviously you're very interested and involved in it. dear siblings or other family members cannot hold it with as much regard as you do or are they as interested as you are quite obviously not to the same degree, but -- >> i think they're gaining strength and momentum in embracing this and they're okay with it. out of this whole thing gets sorted -- that sort of, i have become the family historian. so now they call me. it's kind of ironic, for

pictures and memorabilia things of that nature that my grandfather and father. it's kind of nice. feels good. >> how many children in your immediate family? >> well, here we go. somethings don't change in the generation. i have four sisters and a brother. >> it hit me when you're reading the excerpt of just how much coming in now, your grandfather is so determined and ambitious than he was always looking out for what step could help thanks. one thing you see people take root in the book is the american dream still alive today. i'm wondering how much you think it has to do with the person versus being in the right place at the right time. today there's still the same sort of -- the country is going to the scene changes that

provide the opportunities for someone to just pick himself up their bootstraps, that's a possibility today when things seem so much more structured or controlled unless basis for newcomers. >> i still think, not because of the book, but i really feel the american dream is still alive. of course the landscape is a lot different now than it was then. absolutely it is. like with anything, my grandfather and father had to change with the times. i think we have to do the same. and especially now that were sort of finesse global world. we have to think a little bit differently, but it's still here, available and certainly they've proven that. >> to have a current connections with national enquirer? and if not, why not? what is the story behind that?

>> now, when my father passed away in 1888, the paper was sold and i have no connection. i know a lot of people that were there, but i have no direct affiliation. i don't own the paper, no. >> congratulations, mr. pope, a captivating book. there's so many things going on taking the personal and turning it into so many universal names. the journeyman, the immigrants, sibling rivalry. and then there's amazing polarities going on such as old money versus new money, old coulter versus new culture.

how did you artistically -- your strategy to put all this together -- i'm amazed to hear it took 14 years. i don't doubt it. it was truly an epic work. but how is your strategy to pick and choose and create a chronology and the steps -- were there moments when these things were happening as a pan on a notepad? with everything on a computer? what were some of your artistic steps? >> i'll tell you a lot of a lot of them, starting with my father. they started with his story and the book has changed with many different generations. starting with my father, it was just about my father.

again as i mentioned i couldn't do that without the story of my grandfather. to me and quite antiquated, but a lot of my writing was done by pen and paper. as a matter of fact in the week over here and made no to a a colleague of mine. the process involved through the whole process of the book. it kind of changed at times. so i thought about telling a story just as the national enquirer, although i know i can tell it better and with more accuracy than maybe other books, i thought how could they do that story? saturday the ninth.seven years and i thought wow, i really don't want to do to books, so let me combine them and let me go back to my grandfather. and again, the research in hearing my father's interview about me as a boy, as a child just inspired me to go back. and again, the more i learned about my grandfather, naturally when the investigative team -- i

think the story took a lot of shape and form about just -- and i could to say, but seven or eight years into this process. and then when it was the multigenerational saga, that's when it slowed. that's when there is a beginning, middle and end. and the pieces fell into place. quite frankly before that, it wasn't happening. >> thank you very much. congratulations. >> hi, your dad sold the national enquirer before he passed. so what about a siblings? the other two brothers, they got their business in the month at the business that was meant for your dad -- for your father? do they still have it? is that through them? based on other big business clacks >> that's a big question. no, they don't.

one parallel in those generations is when the patriarch passes in the family business kind of kid -- everything kind of -- it's not a bad thing necessarily, just the end of an era come at the end of the time and in this case they think of course there are not a question, what would've happened if, you know, my father took over the colonial thing and the radio stations? that's hard to say, although i think he would have done a great job. he was the editor of the open progresso. but she can't live in the past. you have to live in the now. i'm liquidy created from office. actually we would have cnn premises and, everything quite frankly access with this foot prints an imprint on it..by the

way was fired sister politician. in 1982 we went to four color in the printing plant into this day i was teased in school so much. we had a world weekly news or sites that they named it, the wacky world. that was the newspaper that the aliens and the two babies and the all bad. i was a fun publication. the people obviously been for the most part i didn't pay attention until now. that paper wasn't true, but in the inquirer it was all true. >> i knew that that boy was weekly world news. but you can't not draft a pathway reference. it has to have been. sorry. well, we have more questions.

awesome. >> i just want to demerits for a moment to talk about the american dream and product that the national enquirer represents seems to be a race to the bottom. and why it is fun, when we look at the general growth of these kitschy publications in these kitschy television shows and how it dominating our culture today, i wonder what your reflections are about the monster that he created. >> that's an interesting question. i never quite looked at it like that, but it's interesting because, you know, i put the man who made millions and millions of people happy.

and i think in times when there was the 1900s were present day, you have to give people some of the knee, there has to be some entertainment. and he certainly did that better than everybody else. [inaudible] >> 52 to 88. >> last call for questions. >> in addition to the edwards affair, whether other stories that the inquirer -- [inaudible] >> well, i can name several. the gary hart story -- of course all those. we have of course one of our favorite issues was the traditions issue.

many, many, all the families covered. the interesting thing is i don't think a lot of people know about this. whenever there was a natural disaster, it's kind of like what cnn just today. father was and really 20, 30 people out -- let's say they're minors. i think boarding rescue is one. he would've been all all over it. so you know, there's so much. >> do you want to talk about some of the stories that your father had been decided not to print? there was the long lens shot of like a document in front of kissinger where he deferred to the cia on that one. and they're something with the kennedy family. you want to talk about some of those decisions? >> sure. and kissinger there was of course a story worth on the

documents in the trash. and of course we were trashed for doing that and people would always mock us and make us. let me preface all of that width and about 1948 my grandfather had a thing called psychological warfare with the cia and my father also went into that. a lot of the things that were used, he still maintained his ties with the intelligence community until he passed away. someone of the other great stories of courses that ted kennedy story and in 1980, 12 years after -- 12 years faster he was on the great story where the car went off and yes, with the unborn child and he never ran the story. what he really wanted to get to us he wanted to get his jacket.

it do that, he ran a story about their family and the children. you know, that was like the tablet gold. so there were many instances like that that occurred like that. so really for me, growing up at this, it was pretty interesting. >> i just want to clarify, the story was mary jo kopechne had been pregnant at the time of the -- >> yes, yes. >> is that out there and substantiated are reported? >> absolutely. we sourced everything. everything we did in the paper, going back to checkbook journalism. it wasn't that we use check the journalism to pay people what we wanted to hear. we wanted to just get the truth. luscious interline. we would source three or four other people, which in fact was sort of a