he's a fanatic. >> host: next call for mr. tyrrell comes from tim in boston. hi, tim. >> caller: hello, peter and mr. tyrrell. i've got two things i'd like to hear about a little bit, one being pat buchanan who seems to have been banished to the black hole of msnbc. i thin's one of .. him more involved with -- look, i don't know why he's not on fox, personally, but anyway, he's on top of that coming from the -- [inaudible] free trade. i've always had issue in the sense that if, you know, if we were in competition between, you know, pay, productivity and quality straight up, america would win outright. but american, you know, manufacturing and so on has been so overburdened with imposed regulates by the state, isn't it the state obligated to level that playing field to some

degree? .. >> out of the blue i get a letter back, he wants to come nd he's gng tome o and he's going to come on july 26 that it's all right and i think this is t2he6, stnd iore rall ronald reagan on thettle ad centennial that tells what kind of guy he was.

so i prepared my house starting about two weeksime, to prepare the house, we had 13 telephones, strung into the house, and, the garage became a command center, the kitchen was not my own, but, it all was nearing the great date and then, on the day, july 26, there was a terrific storm hope to east coast, and nancy was stuck in new york, and the plane bringing some of my guests down was stuck in new york and so i had to get a few more guests at the spur of the moment and then, we prepared to greet the president of the united states. and, i remember very well, it was 7:00 at night, the woman

kept darting out of the kitchen, telling me, the president is on his way. thank you. the president is 15 minutes. thank you. by now, they have blocked off the whole george washington parkway, they've blocked off the front of the enclave in which i lived in mcclain, virginia and had cars strung in front of me house so that no bomber could get in. we had 240 people guarding the house. and we have a terrible rain storm coming down and the woman comes forward and the president is five minutes away, and, suddenly, the front of our house lit up and lights went on and the entire front of the house was lit up, and, by that time, i knew the president was there and so, the side of the garage was on the side of the house, and,

the president for security reasons was going to come into the garage door, and not through the front door, so, i was asked to go out, into the garage and i go into the garage, and the door was open, and, up came, i think 8 motorcycles and two armored cars, and, one or two other vehicles, and, overhead there was two helicopters, and one helicopter shined a beam of light down, and there, standing in the rain, as it danced around his feet, with an umbrella overhead was ronald reagan and he turned to me and he said, bob, i'm awfully sorry about all of this and he came into the house and we had a nice dinner and discussed... he wanted to talk about russia. and, the question of the faith

of the russian people and we talked about religious spirit which he thought again would redowned in the soviet union and i suppose, so it has but he was a lovely man, we had a lot of fun and i want to point out one inference... aspect of that evening. that evening, in the background, ronald reagan drank a screw driver, i had a saskatchewan and my friends visited with him, we had in the background the music of frederick the graeat and i'm the only man to ever introduce this american president to a concerto by frederick the great. >> next call from terry in new york city. hi, terry. >> caller: great show you guys have today. i have one swequestion.

did you get dressed in the dark this morning. >> i get dressed in the dark, yes, i actually did. >> lfrom newark, new jersey. >> caller: i appreciate your arguments for intellectualism and i think you will be hard pressed to say -- talk about intellectualism when you talk about sarah palin and michelle bachmann and the rhetoric and fannie mae and freddie mac was and is a problem and glass-steagall, which was forced upon us, under the bill clinton and the republicans was the beginning of the end of our economic system. who was kicked out of the clinton administration, for trying to warn what was going to happen, with our banks and also, i would like to know, how can conservatives talk about freedom

and people's ability to do what they want? i don't understand how you can be pro-life and pro death at the same time. >> a lot there, mr. tyrrell. >> i'm not pro death. i'm against capital punishment and against abortion, so i think i'm exempt from this. >> let's go to the original comments about sarah palin and michel bachman and what he saw as a lack -- michelle bachmann and what he saw as a lack of intellect there. >> this is interesting. the conservative movement began in the 1950s. and the late 1940s, as a distinctly intellectual movement. made up of highly intelligent scholars, highly intelligent business people, and highly

intelligent ordinary citizens who believe in anti-communism and believed in free markets and traditional values, more or less. as -- and throughout the 1970s and 1980s, it was pretty distinctly an intellectual movement but, by the late 1980s, and the 1990s, and certainly, today, it is the most popular movement in america. and, of course, you are going to have popularizes that speak to the ordinary american people and i don't think you want me speak for the american people, if some board of conservatives was in charge of the conservative movement, the last person they would want out there is tyrrell, however, the -- sarah palin and michelle bachmann, they might want out there and doesn't

matter if they want them or not, the american people, some american people, wants them out there. i think it is a false charge to say that we have to put up egg heads to represent us across america. but, if america wants me to serve, i'm willing to serve. >> next call for mr. tyrrell comes from holy oak, massachusetts, hi, john. >> caller: let's talk about what is really presently happening, there's a lot of white-collar crime going on and is predominantly by one side. when the democrats try to get justice and regulation so they can regulate what is going on, nobody is going to jail, you get a few italians that have been arrested but the white-collar crime by the banks and as far as you saying fannie mae and freddie mac created this, no, these complex so-called products which were made to rip off the american people, were created at wall street.

by some scientist. that was sitting there, doing mathematical equations for wall street. >> take the scientists on wall street and send them back to the laboratories. next question. >> who was r. emmett tyrrell, sr.? >> my father and he was a salesman in chicago. and, more interesting story, is who was p. d. tyrrell, the u.s. secret service agent, the head of the secret service in chicago, in 1876, he broke a plot to steal lincoln's body and, down in springfield and in

my library, i think you have a picture of it, in your archives, in my library, in alexandria, we have a great picture of -- given to my great-great-grandfather, p. d. tyrrell, the u.s. secret service by robert todd lincoln for distinguished service in defense of of his father, abraham lincoln. so i would point out that in a recent run for the mayor of -- recent controversy over rahm emanuel, his residency, i laid claim to being as much a resident of chicago as rahm emanuel and i thought, the two of us, in a spirit of bipartisanship, should have gone before the illinois supreme

court and defended ourselves. he utterly ignored my case and i think i would have fortified his case and also my roots in chicago are far deeper than his and mine go back to p. d. tyrrell, u.s. secret service and 1 1876. >> if roots are deep in chicago, why did you choose indiana university. >> you had the greatest swimming coach and swimming team in the world there and i wanted to be a swimmer and i knew the if anybody could make me an olympian, he could. he failed. he didn't fail, thank god with the swim teeiam and he was a grt coach and, he coached the greatest team in the world and we could beat any combination of swimmers, with that little

swimming team, in indiana university and i always accept that my greatest teacher, the man who taught me the arts and who taught me to love history, and to love writing and love literature, was james counsilman. >> were your parents political. >> my mother still is political. my father is an archangel. so, i don't know what his views are now. >> is she a conservative. >> oh, yes. of course, a conservative. >> host: bodega bay, california, go ahead, tom. >> caller: hello. thank you. i am a retired physician and some months ago, on the hour with you you had a... [inaudible] healing of america. in which he went around the world and found that every other

industrialized nation had universal health care. >> yes, sir. >> caller:... [inaudible]. i gather that mr. tyrrell, still... obama care and wonder why the u.s. is so... [inaudible]. >> doctor, are you in favor of the health care plan, that passed last year? >> caller: i am... the obama health care plan, i think it did only a partial, partially satisfactory and would prefer something more on the style of the european or japanese plan or the canadian plan. >> thank you, sir. >> well, rights now, the

japanese and europeans are fixing up their entitlement expense and they have a huge ex-suspension and are rioting in the streets. we don't have that yet and we can still avoid it and we can provide health care through private -- through the private medical system that is far more efficient and effective than obamacare. so, i'm going to stick with the future that works. privatization. i hope we don't go into public health care, because, i think that it would just, if you want to know what -- where it leads, well, it leads to greece, to spain, and, right now, they are faced with the terrible problem. and we have -- don't have that problem yet. and, it is not too late to avoid

that problem. and, i hope we are going to do so. >> after "after the hangover: the conservatives' road to recovery" is dedicated to jean. who is jean. >> she's the lady that came in with me and hopefully the lady that is there when i leave, my wife. >> stockton california. go ahead. >> caller: good morning. >> hi. >> caller: hi. just wanted to make a comment and a question, if i could. the comment would be, that capitalism is how i make my money and socialism is how i invest it. therefore, i find that the two work perfectly well together, as i earn more money, i am able to share it and by sharing it, i earn more money because everyone grows, so it is a win-win proposition and the question i have was referring to the... baptism that you mentioned. how do you view the energy

policy during the administration. thank you and i'll take your answers off the air. thank you much. >> did that guy say socialist? >> no, he made his money as a capitalist and invested it in -- as a socialist. kind of is what he said, yes, so that everybody wins is what he said. >> well, he's one of the last guys in the world that still believes in socialism. so, more power to him and as far as bush's energy policy, i think that it is important that it be more -- well, look, energy -- you want my view on energy? i go along with boone pickens and i go along with him and his health care -- boone's energy policy is, the right policy for america. right now, he is saying that

natural gas, we are finding so much natural gas, more and more natural gas in this country, year after year. and, if -- it is a game-changer. and, if we change some of our policies, some of our heavy transportation to natural gas, it can lower our reliance on foreign oil, by e a considerable percentage. i have forgotten what, exactly, and, change the workings of geo politics for years to come. so, don't ask me about george w. bush. ask me about boone pickens when it comes to natural gas and comes to power in general and he has made an awful lot of money and -- in natural gas and things of that sort and he's my expert in the area. >> this is an e-mail from david l. smith, editor of the

cassandra chronicles and cyclical investing. in mr. tyrrell's december 4, 2010 op-ed piece in the "wall street journal," you write: gene kirkpatrick and irving crystal and for a time daniel patrick moynihan were in crystal's words, liberals when were mugged by reality. then he goes onto write to you, the reality they were mugged by was the reagan revolution with the commitment to low taxes, minimal regulations, and strong defense, which have dominated the political agenda for two of the past three decades. long enough to evaluate the results of such policies. the data clearly reveal that the rich have gotten super-rich and the poor have become poorer and the middle class have mugged time pursuing the american dream, piling up mountains of debt precipitating the panic of 2008. why does mr. tyrrell support

policies that produce such an undesirable outcome. >> he has his dates wrong. irving crystal said that in the late -- '70s before ronald reagan got into the white house and you have your dates wrong, and you've got your -- sense of reality wrong. ronald reagan was a success. he wasn't a failure. we all celebrate his success today. we don't celebrate him as a failure. and, to return to irving crystal, he, in talking about the effects of liberalism on domestic policy and international relations, and he was right, liberalism changed, as ronald reagan said, he didn't -- ronald reagan didn't leave the democratic party. the democratic party left him. >> keith, frankfurt, kentucky, you are on with r. emmett

tyrrell. >> caller: thank you for taking my call, my question is, would you say liberalism of today is not liberalism of john block and the early movement, and, i'd like to hear your comment about the difference between the social conservatism and political conservatism and seems to me many conservatives today are as much social conservatives and use the example of political -- or the... to define marriage between a man and a woman, versus two men, and, also, movements to display religious articles, and how does that really define the conservative movement? >> well, the conservative movement began as a movement of

anti-communists, as a movement of free market economists and free market business men, and, as a movement of people who favored traditional values. and there is always a certain tension there and always a degree to which a person might be more free market than traditional values. but, it is all cohered together, and has been 40 to 50 years and will for the years to come, because, interestingly, as that movement has gained support amongst the american people, amongst the neoconservatives, amongst the people of faith, the christian right, now, amongst the tea party movement, which is a movement that is basically about the american constitution, our constitutionally granted rights, and personal liberties.

that movement has gathered strength. liberalism has become narrower and narrower and narrower. and it doesn't have any fissures, because it is -- the kind of a monomania of the liberal partisanship and so you are talking about the death of liberalism. liberalism is dead and what will come afterwards, i'm not quite clear, but, a guy earlier in the show suggested friendly fascism and i think that is where it is headed. in its policies toward the banks, obama's policies towards the bank e bailout, obama's policies towards the detroit automotive industry, and obama's policies towards health care. this is corporatesism. it is friendly fascism and,

frankly, i want nothing to do with it. >> what was your relationship with william f. buckley and what is your relationship with his son, christopher buckley? >> my relationship with bill was very warm. i have in my library a picture of a sailboat in the moon light, that bill painted and i always loved that painting and one night we were having drinks at his house and i said, bill, gee that is a wonderful painting, i thought he was a very good amateur painter and he said, do you think so? and grabbed it and, there i have it and woke up the next day and, i had this beautiful painting. and for many, many years we were close. christopher, what he said about bill in his book and what he

said about his mother, he shouldn't have ever said. these are things that you keep to yourself. >> losing mom and pop book. >> yes. and i think he was -- it is disgraceful and there is an element in american public life that seller underwear, to sell your parents' underwear. to prosecute yourself, anything for fame. and, christopher fell prey to that in that book. and, i don't expect he'll be in any of my book parties, real soon. >> and in fact you write about him in ""after the hangover: the conservatives' road to recovery," a few more minutes before we visit mr. tyrrell at his house, in alexandria to see how he writes as we continue our in-depth program, jeff in houston, texas, you are on the air, high. >> caller: good morning. thanks very much, kachlt spc-sp

mr. tyrrell for your service, and my question pertains to an article, david brooks for the "new york times" wrote prior to the presidential-vice presidential election in which he expressed his concern that george w. bush, sarah palin, and now, michelle bachmann are very much trying to tap into the governing from the gut motif rather than governing from the mind motif and one of the things that i admire about you, mr. tyrrell and about mr. buckley, is that -- and george will is another name that comes to mind is there is an active engagement of the life of the mind that does not alienate the intelligentsia and please comments on the tea party movement with the focus from

governing from the gut is in danger of moving conservatism away from the life of the the mind, to more of an instinct tiive reaction to current events. >> that is thoughtful, and, putting me in company withbuckl is very kind of you and it is difficult to say what the tea party movement is, aside from fervor and it is fervor on hoof behalf of the constitution, we are starting a column in "the american spectator" by a tea party person, ned ryan and we will be covering the movement, we will be covering the intelligent people in the movement, and, the less intelligent also, i suppose. but, i think there is reason to be optimistic about the tea party movement.

and the tea party movement, by the way, there have been tea party movements in this country, going back to the original tea party. there are order normally people that are aroused by freedom, and, that is very,' rare in the world. and nothing like it takes place in japan, and nothing like it takes place in europe and it takes place in this country because of our founding fathers and, they instilled in us a love of liberty. and, we are seeing this in the interest in the constitution, in the interest in liberty, and i hope it will be channeled in a proper way. i would like to point out that you asked what books i read and what books i'll taking seriously, right now i'm reading ron chernow's biography of george washington. my wife and i, jean, went down to mt. vernon, january 1, the top of the morning, other people are -- had their hangovers to

contend with and jean and i got up and went down to mt. vernon and were the only people there, practically. and, we got to walk through that great man's house. george washington was the father of our country. and he was an enormous blessing to this country. and, ron chernow's book is a terrific achievement because it tells you exactly what he was like and he was conflicted. and he, did some things that we wouldn't approve of today. particularly with regard to slaves. however, he was tortured by slavery and freed them in the end and treated the slaves very, very well in some respects. and, severely in other ways. he was a great, great figure, a great, great man. and, if the tea party movement shows an interest in the restraint and the wisdom of george washington, i think that

they will be a force for good. >> martha, rankin, texas, you are on with mr. tyrrell. >> caller: sitting here, drinking coffee and see what i thought what this man would have to say because i am a liberal which is open mined and lost interest in his intelligence when he said, high dungeon... and it is high detchen... you might want to look that up and my point is liberalism will never die, as you claim because it is open mindedness and charity, and i've noticed in your movement, conservative movement, you speak of, there charity has been changed to the word entitlement and you refer to japan's social health care as their entitlement expense. i wonder if your moral and traditional values, where does charity come into your world? thank you. >> well, the open minded,

generous minded person we had on the other end of the phone, she is a moral paradigm and is an honor to be in her presence but charity as a matter of fact comes into my christian values. and, pervades much of my christian view of the world. and so does faith and so does hope. so... >> well, from your book "liberal crack-up" e-- egalitarianism is always a futile thing for it is a denial of nature, of the biological order that gives us different talents and strengths and tastes and to pursue it one has to be at once foolish and ruthless or at least hypocritical an ruthless.

>> i also added, i cannot believe anyone's really interested in egalitarianism, and any egalitarian will always find some way to distinguish himself or herself from the mob. i think -- i think i recall in that piece, i said, the mao man in china, will always wear his -- have a pant leg, one longer than the other or a beret or whatever they wear, cut in a certain area so he can be just a little bit different and the idea of being like everybody else is i think horrible for all mankind. i am reminded of a story about the cockney vernacular in england. people say -- people used to tell irving crystal why do those

poor people speak cockney? why can't we educate them so they can speak upper glass english? and he got to thinking about it, irving did and he said, you know, they love speaking cockney, and, you look at people in the country, they love speaking country english and enforce that english on themselves. they don't want to speak like a new yorker and don't want to speak like an upper class snoot. there is pride in being yourself. whatever it is. and i think that kind of puts the lie to egalitarianism. >> john dash e-mails in, thanks for your efforts, could you address your thoughts to religion and the role it is, should or should not be playing both here and on the world stage. >> well, i am a person of faith.

my faith is public and private. i don't think there should be a division of church and state. i think the division has bonn -- i do think there should be a division of church and state. i think the division has gone too far and i don't think there should be a jihad against religion and i think religion can be discussed in school, and, can be discussed -- sex aggression and aggression management can be discussed you ought to be able to discuss the views of jesus christ and there can be a gentle roll back and could be a prayer in public schools. i think that that wouldn't offend anyone, the atheists who have such a delicate disposition aren't like the atheist whose i grew up, and they were pretty hard-nosed and tough minded and i don't know many of them that

were upset by bob tyrrell's regard for the almighty. >> it's the book tv's in-depth program, we have about an hour-and-a-half to go. this afternoon. with mr. tyrrell. author of 9 books, editor of three more and, this past week we visited mr. tyrrell at his home in alexandria, virginia here in the washington suburbs to see how he wrote. >> well, i read a lot of fiction. my favorite reading is history and actually i read a lot of fiction. i read a lot of faulkener, i read a lot of fitzgerald, i read "the sun also rises" a wonderful story about jake and lady bret and recently, this summer, i read "farewell to arms" and i

reread it and you get something more out of really good literature every time you read it. i read a lot of paul. over the years i have and i thought he got international terrorism, one of the first people to write in a literary fashion about international terrorism and he's still perplexed by it. i guess i am, too. but, of course my old friend, norman mailer here... when he was writing this book, i was taking out a perfectly -- there you are. he signed the book. but he had just finished it you say and -- i was taking on a vi

-- out a very oriental-american and i took her to a party and norman was there and i introduced her as the number 3 person in the cia, something like that, and he talked to her all evening long and i don't know if he ever did get the idea that she was just a banker but she looked like norman's idea of a spy. generally, i start my day with the newspapers. and i read three or four newspapers a day. and then, i have a cup of coffee or two, and i generally write whatever it is i'm writing, as i'm writing a book, i generally write in the morning, go down to the office in the afternoon, and then come back and write in the

evenings. if i'm reading -- writing a column, after the newspapers, i write my column and i only spend half a day writing. when i'm working on a book, i spend almost a whole day. and i write 7 days a week. because i find it easy to write and fun to write and if i'm not amusing you people out there, i'm amusing myself. and that is at least one happy client. to people who want to become a writer, i should hope they would become a reader first. and by becoming a reader first, you will have something to write about. and if you start as a reader, you are going to continue all your life as a reader, because

there is plenty to be read and you'll have to, in my opinion, you have to read and have something to say before you say it. unfortunately, in the age of the blogosphere, no one that blogs seems to read and as a consequence, the blogosphere is another word for a very polluted atmosphere and is polluted by error. when i was young, everybody wanted to be a writer, i think. wanted to write like fitzgerald or hemmingway or faulkener or... so i wanted to be a literary writer and of course my friend, steve tesich and other of my

friend did become literary writers but i found myself drawn increasingly into politics and to the battle for freedom. and i'm glad i did. and i think a lot of readers e are... i don't think they have gotten the great kick out of my literary writing. but i hope they've gotten some of the instruction and pleasure out of my political musings. ♪ ♪ blank

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anything. see if they're right or wrong about that. so i found, and i found a depiction of people, really, very interesting. he depicted all kinds of people. he traveled from the caribbean to england, and he captured something along the way. now, waugh, waugh was an awful ass of a man, a dreadful man who i believe died on the toilet. it is worth mentioning, because he was such an awful man. but, what was he once asked? he said you are a catholic, how do you square being a catholic with what a dreadful person you are and he said, you can't

imagine how dreadful i would be if i weren't a catholic. but he was a wonderful essayist. a wonderful novelist. a great, great writer and he spawned a whole family of great writers. and i think he's one of the great writers of the 20th century. i would love to point out, in that -- those pictures, at my house, that yellow vest i was wearing was a vest that was given to me by luigi bartini, who is another of my favorite writers, and, he wrote a great book "the italians" and a great book, "the europeans" in which he had a chapter fittingly enough about the united states, so, it was fitting that i had that on and i didn't realize i did, and it is fitting that i mention him because he's a

great, he was one of the great english stylists of the 20th century though he was born an italian and raised an italian and lived most of his livfe in italy and, wrote beautifully in establish. >> you often either to people they air ethnicity, you refer totty italian or english writer ore israeli woman who you sat next to it's this clinton dinner. why do you do that? >> well, you want to identify people. i mean, it is where they came from. who a that are. we're creatures of our experience. i would talk about malcolm muggerage, another great writer

who had a strong influence on me and i would call him the british -- the british historian, martin gilbert or paul johnson, these are all my friends, and, it is important to tell you where they come from and i would point out in thinking about the modern world, i'm at times reminded of how much the english speaking people have in common and how much george washington owed the english and how much he got from the english and how much he elaborated on and extended english values with a great american twist. and he made america... england was part of him and america and the american frontier were all part of him.

so i think it is all part of what a good writer does. he talks about people and talks about where they are from. >> this is book tv's in-depth program, our guest, this month is r. emmett tyrrell, jr., and, the here are his books, beginning with his first in 1977, public nuisances, liberal crack-up, "the conservative crack-up," "public nuisances," "after the hangover: the conservatives' road to recovery," and you told us are working on a new book, do you know the title of that yet? >> i'm toying with the idea of

liberalism is dead. i think it is, and i think we need to show it. i mean, you have to hit me and shut me up about this, because, it is kind of an exciting idea. in doing "after the hangover: the conservatives' road to recovery," which i think is coming out in paperback this fall, i suddenly discovered that liberalism has steadily lost its purchase on the american people and the american culture, so that the culture smog i talk about is declining and is declining under the weight of its own fecklessness and it cannot go on and also is declining under the weight of conservatives, and the conservatism of the "wall street

journal" and "the washington times" and the washington examiner and "the american spectator" and the magazines, the new york sun, which is on-line now and is as strong as ever, on-line, and, fox news. fox news has more income, for revenue than msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs and nbc news combined. what does that tell you? it tells you there is a real audience for this stuff out there, and i think these people are -- our conservative counterculture is growing by leaps and bounds and i point out en my books that rush limbaugh and mark levin and sean hannity have an ongoing colloquium on

air, about advancing ideas and taking issue with them everi themselves and that is for the good and if they are a popular rendition of conservatism it shouldn't surprise anybody, 70% of america or more sub describe to conservatism and -- subscribe to conservatism and that is good. >> 737-0001, for the eastern time zone and 737-0002, mountain and pacific time zone, send us an e-mail, or a tweet, and, this e-mail from earl mchugh in new jersey. why is it that you and other conservatives consider ronald reagan as such an iconic figure when he never submitted a balanced budget to the congress in his eight years as president? >> well, he was fighting the

cold war and we won the cold war and why would anyone take issue with my simple claim that after barry goldwater came ronald reagan? now, there were other conservative politicians, too, but ronald reagan came to the fore, and he represented our values. i mean, they are my values and i'll tell you, ronald reagan represented them very, very well. >> edward in sacramento, california. as regards mr. tyrrell's assertion that the liberalism is dead, it is interesting to note that the exposed rise of conservatism from the 1950s onward tracks the rise of corporate influence and power in government. what is mr. tyrrell's view on the assertion that conservatism is not a political movement but an artificial construct by the corporate elite to perpetuate their power in american

politics. >> the claim is always made, my and my colleagues are somehow the creature of the corporate elite, the corporate elite as a matter of fact tend to be democrats. they tend to vote democratic. wall street gave something like 70% of its political can't bugs to democrats and, as a matter of fact, this rise of conservatism he's calling the rise now saying that it somehow tracks the rise of the corporate elite in washington, the corporate reletrelites were here in the 1930s and fdr was perfectly happy to take advantage of them. in the modern world the corporation is a soulless creature and the corporations as a matter of fact, when they do make themselves political

contributions, those political contributions, the majority of those political contribution, go to democrats. and i don't consider that -- i don't think that that means that liberal -- a liberal democrat is a creature of westinghouse, but they have their own problems at westinghouse and have their own problems with -- amongst the liberal community. so that is just the way it is. >> who's r. c. buhly and why such an influence on you? >> she was a pulitzer prize winning historian at indiana university and he was... he's -- we had a good history department in indiana when i went there and most of them were liberals and liberals in those days were a little, generally speaking, less

partisan than they are today and were very nice people, and it also had to stick in their craw that r.c. buhly down the hallway won the pulitzer prize and the only one in the department and, he was a really right wing... one of those guys, he was one of those, like my grandfathers, hated fdr. and he had every, every fdr story imaginable, he had, and, he used to trot them all out and i believed all of them, until i got to be about 40 years old and read some other things and finally came to the conclusion that fdr was a pretty good president, and we wouldn't have -- i don't know if we can imagine us losing world war ii

but we would not be the internationalist force we are in the world today without fdr. so i'm a little nuanced in my interpretation or analysis or esteem for fdr and r.c. buhly will just have to -- in the heavens, will have to accept the fact that i have a good word or two about fdr but that is about it. one or two. >> when we asked -- our producer, tanya davis asked mr. tyrrell about influences and favorite books and et cetera, he sent back quite a long e-mail. now, he has published -- we cut it down a little bit an edited it and didn't take anything out, but the word, he has published that entire e-mail he sent us on his westbound at spectator.org and you can go to spectator.org and go to his blog and you can

see exactly what he sent us as far as the e-mail, we ask all of our authors what their favorite books are influences, et cetera. cheetah in dalton, texas you are on with r. emmett tyrrell. >> caller: ben stein suggested the g.o.p. recruit president obama into its ranks and mr. stein stated it would be a good fit, can you possibly explain that strange recommendation to other conservatives who are so opposed to obama's liberal views? especially obama cake, his economic and his immigration policies? >> well i think i explained it once again, ben stein was being ironic. and irony gets you no place in public today, ben, so cut it out, ben, cut out the jokes.

>> darcy, mt. clemens, michigan. good afternoon. >> caller: good afternoon. a pleasure to speak to you both. i would like you to further elaborate how, when it comes to the conservatives or you say the liberals who have now become the progressives, hasn't it always been the conservatives or right wing who have started the social programs, to enhance the lives of the minorities as in abe lincoln, republican, as in, wasn't it eisenhower who wanted to push civil rights but it wasn't passed until lbj came along and as far as being pro-life, looking out for the minorities when the democratic party or the progressives, are the ones that are attackingborte conservatives look out for minorities in ways other

liberals will never be able to possibly acknowledge? >> yoodz the question. -- >> i don't understand this question, i'm sorry. >> jerry, hi. >> caller: thank you, for a very interesting interview. mr. tyrrell, i'm curious, you mentioned a couple of wonderful english authors, i'm curious to know whether you read anything by chesterton and if so, if he had an influence on you as a writer or more importantly whether he has had any influence on you personally, thank you. >> jerry, have you read him and why do you bring him up. >> caller: we founded a society for him in the quad cities and read a lot of this is books and he should be a lot more well-known than he is. and, you know, taking advantage of the opportunity, i guess, both to putting it into