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things that is i see is even if he doesn't want to play politics, he's also missing the political game that's being played around him. and that was one of the things that did come through in the book as i was reading it. >> and lara brown is the author of jockeying for the american presidency, the political opportunism of aspirants.

dr. brown if you wrote president bush of his book what would be your study. >> i talk about his election campaign in 2000. and i basically see similar problems with him that i see with most of the modern presidents. and that is, quite frankly, their experience in politics is rather limited. and as a result, they may be sort of good at giving us speeches or making all the right moves or being in the right places for the photo ops but as i said, they seem to miss the politics around them either for their advisors, consultants, foreign leaders and what have you. >> and tevy is the author of the intellectuals of the american presidencies, philosophers, gestures or technicians. does president bush fit into one of those categories? >> my book is really about how intellectuals deal with the

presidents and how presidents have brought intellectuals into the white house and the question of philosopher, jester or technician and what role do they play and it was written by ar-arthur schlesinger when he was advisor for kennedy. he also had a very -- sort of nba corporatized approach of intellectuals in the office. it was created in the bush administration. it didn't exist to the bush administration and president obama has gotten rid of it but that specific office under barry jackson who's chief of staff to john boehner and pete waner who's a writer. and it's to bring intellectuals to the white house and give input to the intellectuals and

the whole panoply to those out there who would support the president and i think they would do it. >> here in washington, with us, lara brown from villanova and tevi troy of the hudson institute. one more question before we go to our calls. what president bush said is that 9/11 clarified his presidency. >> oh, i think that's right. i mean, i've often joked that i think president bush actually had the presidency that dick cheney wanted, not necessarily the presidency he wanted. i believe he went into the presidency thinking that he would be doing mostly domestic policy, things like immigration