izzeldin abbuelalsh, "i shall not hate" talks about his killing of his three daughters in a raid in gaza. >> thank you. i would like to thank all of you who came. and made this event a reality. and to tell you this morning, how far are we at the end we have to meet. we have an arabic saying, mountains -- a mountain can't meet a mountain. but a person can meet a person.

how geographically are we. and this is the hope and we can meet. and meeting is not just to meet physically, face-to-face, to match to connect the minds, the hearts and to know each other. and that is what is important. to know each other. what they learn. we think we know each other. but this is wrong. 'cause even when we're created from adam and eve and became nations for what? not tonight and to know. and to know the core of the person. to engage with, to connect, to

show respect, passion and compassion. you may come to my book that i wrote, i thought of writing my book a few years ago. from a personal perspective, thinking of others in a way to inspire people to tell them that we as a human being -- we can't challenge what's happening in the world. as a palestinian, a child who was born, raised lived in refugee camps in gaza, in poverty, in suffering.

that never tasted their childhood but millions of children in this world, hundreds of millions, still, they face the same life. but this is the hope. the suffering in this world of -- made. i'm a believer and it's important for each of us to have faith. what is faith? faith is simple. i accept anything from god. but from people like this, we should accept the good, but the bad, not to accept it and to

show by action that we are not going to accept. so what is happening in this world is manmade. and as i said this is the hope. that we as a human being pose we can challenge those people who are doing bad in this world. they have an eye or a skill more than us. i am proud of what i achieved in life. that from nothing and the police chief and the faith and the support mostly of my mother. i dreamed as a child to be a medical doctor. and that's what i can say to everyone.

no one can prevent us from dreaming. so dream big. dream that is close to reality but achieve your dream, you need to work hard. i succeeded to get my m.d. cairo university and was in gynecology and to practice medicine in an israeli hospital. that i am proud of. where medicine and health are valued by everyone and medicine has one face. it has one color. it has a human face. it doesn't deal with names,

ethnicities within the borders of the hospital. i used to work with good heart. we wanted the best for our patients. to be healed, to be cured. the happiest moment in my life when i hand the baby to the mother. the happiest moment in my life and a couple suffering from infertility 'cause i the value of children in the life, children are the beauty of life. and i don't want anyone to suffer that. life is incomplete without the children. that's my belief. when she comes with nausea and

vomiting, and she comes in pregnant and i succeeded in that but i never forget the people behind. i succeeded to challenge all of that to reach but how many people are still there suffering the same life i suffered. and that's what we need to think what did we leave behind? to feel connected to those people. when i see children in the streets, it reminds me of my childhood. not being at the schools. they can't succeed. and that's what makes me hungry

and outraged. and in our life, when my life was a tragedy, we face tragedies. sufferings but the more difficult time in my life was just four months period. and number 16 will never be erased from my mind. 16th of september, 2008, quarter to 5:00 pm is the day when i lost my wife of acute leukemia. i didn't expect. it never even -- i never dreamed in it. and as a child, i used to sometimes ask myself, if i have

the choice to lose my father or my mother, i say i want to stay with my mother. the mother is the one who builds, who takes care. the mother is the one who sacrifices. but now i'm burned of the fire of my children to lose their mother that i was blessed from her to have six lovely beautiful daughters and two sons. those girls who were armed with full plans, to succeed. that their teachers were

fighting to have them in their classes. they never succeeded as 97%. they were blessed from god as girls with hearts. i can write books about them. she was the first palestinian girl i send to peace camp. the sign of the peace camps when she came back and in those camps they are jewish, christian, muslim, bedouins, she came to find how similar are we. at the age of 14, she said to

meet terrorism or violence with violence doesn't solve any problems. she was supposed to get her b.a. june 2009. she is the one who said to me, you have to continue your work. child from god under our support. after she lost her mom, she said i learned one thing. as a student, students think academic exams are a difficult thing in life. after the loss of her mom, she said, i learned something. it's not the academic exams that are hard.

it's the life exams we face in life. the academic exams are the easiest in life. and then the unexpected happenedenth -- happened, the 16th of january. it was the day when an israeli tank shelled the room of my daughters. killing three daughters and one niece and severely wounding others. seconds after i left my daughters' room. i didn't believe it.

and i went to see those girls, where is my anger, my ire? i can't see them. they become parts. my daughter, who was 15, who learned to be a medical doct doctor -- and they were happy. i wanted one of my children to follow my path. to follow the human path which is medicine. she said i will do that. she was the president of the students parliament. where is my beautiful bright

girl decapitated? from nothing, they're dead. there's no reason they were killed. it's the craziest of the human being that we believe still violence. and our children -- they believe that violence is futile. violence and military ways proved its failure, not january 200 2009. the means of fighting have changed. there are other ways, but i started to ask myself, at that moment, as a medical doctor to think of those who are severely

wound and you have to decide, what to do and to think of the future. i looked at my son, who's 12 years old, what is he going to do? is he going to be crazy? to lose control? to hate himself and to hate others? but god's mercy is big and is everywhere he looked at me and said, why are you crying? why are you screaming? you must be happy. happy for what? you must be happy, my sisters are happy there. they are with their mom. she asked for them. that's the 12 years old

palestinian child who believed in it. i never expected it from him. he said they had no way to move forward and to think of my brother. and as it was said, life is like riding a bicycle. to keep balanced, we must keep moving. ..

>> to think of others, and it satisfied me the second day when it was announced they did not cease-fire. i told my daughter, shatha, the blood of your sisters, their souls were not wasted or futile. it saved others lives. and dissatisfied to me -- this satisfied me. i would be angry if it was waste and to become numbers to be added to other numbers, hundreds, thousands of innocent civilians. shatha was transferred to the hospital where i used to work in tel aviv.

and their -- and a bear, doctors who are the message of humanity crusading once allies to save the world. killing one, you kill the world. they succeeded to keep shatha's eyes in place. she lost if i, but they kept the eyes. and basic shatha and my niece. someone may ask why i shall not hate? in our life we have choices. and as a child with all of the tragedy that i faced, my life, i

want to write and record the names of everyone who did bad thing to me in my life, and to hate, the list is endless. and if each of us is going to play, if everyone who did bad things, this means that we are drowning in an ocean of eight. -- hate. am i going to be a victim of hate? because no one like me has difficult, and you, would know the consequences of hate. from depression, the chronic diseases that we will face, hate for me, it's a fire. that feeds the one who carries it.

it destroys the one who carries it. it's a boiler. it's a toxin. it's destructive to the one who carries it. and if you hate it, someone, do you think the one that you hate, is he thinking of you? he is not. but it is important to send him messages that you are stronger, you are steadfast, determined to challenge him, but not with the way he used to kill. with words, words are stronger than bullets. and that is what is needed. the antidote of hate, to move

forward, to carry the pain, to carry the wounded and the scars, but to remind you not to lose control, to be focused, and i learned from my daughter, shatha, who lost her sight in one eye, she was in high school studying day and night during the war to be one of the first in palestine in the high schoo schools. after what she did suffer, the start of the year she looked at mother. four months later she looked at three sisters and she was severely wounded and spent four months in the hospital. she said i have to go to study. she did the exam with all the difficulties in those exams.

they don't care what did you pass, the day we moved to canada they announced, and she and all of my children succeeded in their schools as if nothing happened. she succeeded 96th person. now, she is studying computer engineering at the university of toronto. that's the study to be focused, not the collapse, to send messages. i want to tell you the messages that the tragedies are not the end of the world.

and in every bad thing in life, there's something good. as i said, this is a tragedy. i said there is something good in it. because in our short-term vision, later on you will find its faults. or you may like something and later realize it's not for good. the second thing after what happened, if i know the future i will learn from it. and no one knows what will happen tomorrow. god knows. i will never travel as i used to travel. i will spend more time with my wife and the children.

i wouldn't leave them. i would eat, share, kiss, hug them. so i can say to you don't say tomorrow. spend as much as you can of your time with the people you love. kiss them, hug them, eat with them, have fun with them, enjoyed with them. you don't know those moments are coming back or not. the third message, that nothing is impossible in life. everything in life is possible. and it's not in my vocabulary the only impossible thing i believe in is to return my daughter's back. anything in life i planned, i

accede to achieve. with hard work, to be determined, and focused, i achieve it. and we have in this world, if it wants to endure, if you want this world to live in, how do you want it to be? it can endure. with two things. truth and justice. to be honest with yourself, and justice, it's not we want to waste our time, what is justice? justice to like for others, what do you like for yourself? to both yourselves, the issue is the of the. that's justice. and that's the most thing is universe, the human being. because we were born free and we

must run a normal free life, and no one should pay any price or any cost to get freedom. freedom is free for everyone. freedom and fear, of poverty, sickness. that's what do we want. and i can't be free as long as others are not prepared your freedom is my freedom. and for us as palestinians, we have to understand one thing, that the existence, safety, security, dignity and the future of the israelis is linked to the existence, safety, security,

dignity of the palestinians. and they have to live and to share. that's the right way and to focus on saving lives, it's enough blood, suffering, killing in fear. how long, how many do we want to be killed in order to learn the lesson? how long do we want to turn a deaf ear or blind eye? it's a matter of action. and each of us can make something. if we started to act anti-believe in it. don't underestimate your actions. speak loudly to others. show care about the situation. japan to others, and about

action, those who underestimate their action can't be sued the young girls who were sitting on the shore when the heavy tide through hundreds of starfish at the young girls with open heart, she thought of saving lives. she started to throw one by one into water. then a man overtook federal and asked what are you doing? she said i am saving lives. but there are hundreds. it's not going to make any difference. with her belief and confidence and sincere will with evidence-based, she threw another one and said, it made a difference to that one. and that's what we need. don't under estimate. do something.

we don't want just to watch what makes the evil in this world to flourish is good people with good will to do nothing. just to be moved emotionally is good, but it's a matter of action. the patient when he comes to the hospital, he wants to be cured and he'll. he needs a prescription to be treated, not just to be given words. and passion and support. i can say to you there is hope. the situation is terrible, but it's not impossible. we must not lose hope as long as the patient is still alive. but what do we need to change the course of the treatment, and to find out the causes behind our failure?

and the change starts, not with blaming others, that change starts, each of us starts within himself. don't blame. see yourself, see your face in the mirror before blaming others. start the change. god will deliver the change. what is in the people, what is in the hearts, minds and souls? so we need this change to start. it's chancellors and leaders in this world. we can prove that nothing is impossible. when you see what is happening in the middle east, in two months period, no one would expect it. but what do we need? the moral carriage, all leaders, not those leaders in the middle

east, those leaders in the middle east who went corrupt, but they are not born today. they have been there for 40 years, 30 years. and we need from other leaders who criticize them when they send down -- when they sit down to the moral character to criticize them in time, not when they collapse. that's what is needed to any of those leaders to be honest with you, hosni mubarak four months ago plan to come to visit the states. the red carpet will be spread for him. but he is there for 40 years. he is not bad yesterday. he has been there for four years. why we didn't save it in time.

that's what is needed and that's the moral carriage of our leaders. we need leaders. with their eyes focused on their nations, on the unemployed, on the homeless, on the poor, on the students to offer them jobs and good institutions. not leaders with their eyes on the next election and better position. it's time to tell them and to send them a message that the nation and the people have limitations, and it's not going to work anymore. the people are awake. and it's time for the leaders to change, and to sacrifice their positions for the sake of the nation. as rabin did, and many other leaders in this world.

it's time for them. my daughter's who were killed, they succeeded to see their names written in sand two weeks before they were killed. and if they knew that those names would be cleaned from li life, but i swore to god, and to my daughters, not to relax or rest. until i meet them one day because i believe i will meet them one day, but to meet them with a big gift. the justice they paid their souls with good deeds, with

wisdom and kind deeds. in their memory i established the foundation called daughters for life, because in my life i am in debt to my mother, my wife and my daughters. and i fully believe in the role of girls and honor. it's time for women to take the lead and the role. if they didn't make it better, it will never get as it is now. and this comes through education. the key indicator of development in any country is women's education. and they have the potential. this foundation will be for education, forgive, in the middle east including all countries there. because the healthy educated

girl and woman were raised, healthy educated children, husband, family, community and nation. it's the most effective approach if we want to have a change. it's not women's status. it's women's role. what can they do, and i'm sure they can do a lot. and for men in this world, and for everyone of us who are searching for the happiness and the love that we lost, where can we find it? happiness is not with what i have. happiness is with what i give, with what i share with others.

and this poem which was written by an israeli woman in memory of my daughters, who knew my daughters from the peace camps, where love resides in memory of bessan. i long to touch you, bessan, one more time. to hug you, to tell you how sorry i am that your mom died. but now you, too, are gone. your smiling face, your gentle ways, your softness, your nonjudgmental words you pay for your people. your way of life, your dreams, aspirations and your hope for peace.

just days before the war i spoke with your dad. he gave me her phone number. it is still in my car. every day i glance at the number, seeing your name, bessan. i wish i had spoken with you more, but i didn't have the guts. i spoke with you three days before you died. i told you that i am praying for your safety. my prayers were not heard through the killing, the bombing, the bombings, the smoke. i see i have been betrayed by god. by humanity, by the warmongers, by those who think violence is the solution. and with all of this, i have been given a gift to have spent six weeks with shatha. i heard no words of revenge, no

hatred. i heard no anger. i have a deep belief that this is what is about even with this. i have been strengthened by their strength. i am more determined by their determination. i am are at peace from their peacefulness. bessan, forgive me. for not being able to say deal from my own people. forgive me for giving you hope that peace is possible, and taking the train from you. you will always be my symbol of hope. keys, and mostly, your dad shared the dream with me days after you died. he came into a room full of men, and there you were sitting among, he asked you, why are you still here, bessan? you know it is not acceptable in

our society. you answered, all is fine now, dad. i am happy and well. i can't be here now among the men where i am needed. men or women need to die in order to be able to influence the men as you have, she said. may we women be here as needed. and made the men in this world get the chance to know from deep within their hearts that this is where the answer lies, in their hearts where love resides. dear friends, with all of my heart, i believe that the future can change for good. what do we need to start this,

to smash the physical and mental barriers in each of us? i believe in you. have hope. have faith. but most important, to take action. and in our lives, we have priorities in our lives. and the priority of our life is our future, and to is the future? it is our future. can we start to think of the future and our children, and then the roadmap, the humanity that we belong to, as you said, to be one and to be connected. thank you, and god bless you. [applause]

>> thank you, thank you. [applause] [applause] >> thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you. [applause] [applause] >> thank you so much. thank you. >> let us just take a minute of silence just to absorb the powerful and beautiful message of love, faith, hope, action that dr. abuelaish gave us. but sit quietly for a minute before we ask our questions.

[silence] [silence] >> thank you so much. and we are going to a question period, and i want to thank the c-span folks who are here, and you always do this wonderful job of helping bring some civil discourse to our country. and so thank you for being here, thank you for doing what you do. there are microphones for the questions. we did like you to use them so that the c-span audience can hear you, as well as all of us. these are recorded. we will take our turns at the microphone. please use questions, and keep the speeches to a minimum.

>> thank you, doctor. very profound message. i believe in a message of love, peace, everything you were saying tonight. i wanted to know your opinions on the following, the practicality of the colonization of palestine. i want to know your opinion on the market with with a group, a group of activist who are calling for the dissolution of the plo because they're helping to manage the israelis passionate manage the occupation, helping the israelis managed the occupation. your opinion a boycott divestiture and sanctions of israel, and your thoughts on why aren't the palestinians taking to the streets to demand from their occupiers and oppressors and colonizers their freedom, their rights? and why aren't prominent jewish americans coming forth all across the world demanding as they did for south africa and apartheid, why aren't jewish americans, jewish europeans, all over the world demanding peace,

justice for the palestinians? thank you. >> thank you for the questions, but i think each of them, it needs, you know, that's what i can say to you. but what is important? to answer this question, all of us take responsibility of the responsibility is shared. may be different, but each of us to do his part. palestinians, as israelis, as ends, as americans, as jewish, everyone, what can he deal to promote the implementations of the plans of the maps which are there. we are not going to invent the wheel. it is there. the road and the way, the path is there but we need

implementation. and it's time to take responsibility and moral courage for all to speak loudly without blaming, and whether come from a palestinian, for me as a palestinian, i saw palestinians doing bad things. i should criticize it. and for the american jewish people, the israelis to speak loudly, all of us, we make mistakes and we must speak loudly from goodwill to everyone about the bad things they are doing. and i can say to you, the palestinians and the israelis, it is one boat. and the current israeli government with the policies, they are adopting it's not how important it is. to everyone who's living there

come in when we say the current israeli government is taking the right action, we save all, israelis, palestinians can an american jews, and others. it's time to speak loudly. not to close our eyes about what is happening there. that's what is needed to proceed forward. if you see what you heard and to learn about the documents, have you heard about it? yes. what do you need more than that? it was a document signed by the palestinian authority with many concessions and the israeli government refused it. we must say who is against the peace? who is not willing? what you need more than that, documented in writing.

they signed and even it was signed by the palestinian people. they were criticized. how can you give concession without discussing it, but it was rejected. so we must save him from this terrible time, which doesn't lead to anywhere. and other questions i can answer you after we finished. >> hello. i hope i get the historical references correct. during the operation has to lead, when your house was shelled, you were frequently on radio, and very movingly so. and my recollection is that mark may have been a major from the idf -- mark rogoff?

spokesperson. any case, the point is the spokesperson said impossible. we know this may. we know him very well. we will follow up on a. so i wonder if they did speak with you know, it happened, what is important, it happened. and the most important for me is the impact. the impact, three girls were killed and others were severely wounded. but what is important, and that's the message that we have to learn. not to take anything for granted from any media or to see by one i. the coin has two sides. the idf after, what did they have to say to justify, what did they do? instead of being honest and to take responsibility and to say

we shelled the house, and that's enough. but the first justification, it's one justification not to be created in justification on daily basis. the first day they said that there was a sniper on the roof of the house. my house has five floors. it's my house with my brother. kill them, but the second floor, if the first shell didn't get them, why the second? it's not enough. the second day they said they weren't militants inside the room. mmy daughters room. i said they were armed with love, with education. see the room? what do they have?

who was killed in that room? girls. there was no rebel militants. and some people, they believe in what did they say. they believed it, and to repeat it, not to say to them we don't accept any lies. the third time they said they were firing from the surrounding of my house. how many times and before? and this is the most painful, and no one, they said when we took a shrapnel from my nieces when and examined it, and it's from hamas rockets. what are we doing this way? can we create peace? i was determined that it didn't change my faith and belief. i remain steadfast, and thanks to many friends and colleagues,

jewish, israeli, muslims, we need to know. it took them one month to investigate, to investigate what? they were trying to confuse the people. and at the end they came out to say we shelled the house. during two years, i try to settle it. i am in the hospital in tel aviv with my daughter and brother. they used to come to visit the soldiers who were wounded. and i was a few meters from them. no one did his part at least to say we apologize. but thanks to the people themselves, the public who took care, friends, colleagues, who i asked because we want to bring those girls and our people in a

positive way the justice, and we need the truth. and to take responsibility, i asked for apology. and the consequences of that, for two years trying to solve it peacefully with them, through ministers, many friends, and the most painful comment in december when my lawyer received an e-mail from the legal adviser of the minister of defense saying, those girls are collateral damage. now, it's time to feel the anger and how can we prevent? i said i had no way. because also for palestinians there is a statute of limitations. two years, after two years you have to forget the loved ones.

don't speak about them. disconnect from them. how can i meet my daughters and to say to them, i forgot you. i filed the lawsuit and i told them apology, responsibility, and any compensation, thank god, it will go for the foundation. this foundation will be the sole and the blood of my daughters, to be invested as i said for holy and noble cause for girls and women in the middle east. >> what we're going to do is take questions in the order that people stood at the microphone. this woman who is in the black coat is next, and then the woman in the genes, and then you, and that will be our last question for the evening. >> i just want to say please

accept my condolences. i know how you go through, because my parents and my family was killed in cambodia when i was 10. >> thank you. >> brother and sister, i know how you feel. i am a physician myself. i have so level philosophy, i am from george washington university. i just want to ask you one question. so much bloodshed between both land, in your opinion, what is the solution if each side not willing to pitch in a little bit? what can we do as an international -- should we take the whole land, which is west bank, the holy land, that belonged to international so no one can have access accept the

tourism? with that settled the peace in your opinion? >> do you know what's important for me? to see the killings and suffering find any and. -- find an end. because the situation down is a very dangerous. and if we didn't intervene in a timely manner, i hope not before it becomes terrible. and that's what is needed. and to start the international community to start, we need people to speak openly and honestly, from goodwill to both sides, but not -- we don't want to be biased completely. relative justice, relative biased not to be biased here or

there, to see both sides to see both sides, and what is good for both there will never be peace that is just or good for one side. must be just and good for both sides. are subtly, i believe in the two-state solution. and i want to see it. it's difficult but it is not impossible. if there is a will there is a way. but how can we achieve? to be honest with you, if we can't -- you're a physician. if i approach you, a cancer patient, anti-safety, please treat this patient and do not skilled enough to treat someone with common killed, what are you going to say to me? please, this is impossible. i can't help it and that's a situation. if we can't freeze the

settlements three months, three months their struggling to freeze it. and if you see the american are trying their best with the current israeli government, not the people, the government, to freeze it and to bribe them with $3 billion. and they refused. so what kind of one state or two-state solution are we thinking of? it's important to be honest and to take action. one state or two states. ask it to the current israeli government, what you want? if you want one state let the two nations live together. do you want to states? please talk to implement it. take action. what do you want? that's the question what do we want to ask you in two states, some people asked me two-state solution, i said please, two-state solution in the meantime as i said, like for me,

like a woman, who comes in labor, and the palestinians as you see, they are suffering in the gaza strip and west bank. the artistry -- they are suffering but it is not equal. and the woman, account or as a physician. she is screaming of labor pain, to ask her what you want the baby to be. a baby boy or baby girl? later on, d. want to send him to which university? which name? she will curse me, please, save my life, deliver the baby and then we will see. so save the lives of the people there to show them that their life is worth to them and then we can speak to that. [applause] >> the palestinian paper, how do you break the political paradigm that is currently in place?

the united states cents now 1967 has been trying to broker the peace. frankly, we have miserably failed and we will continue to fail. at the same time we have not allowed the united nations to make a neat move to really actually come to bear with some critical solutions to the problem. you asked us of action. we are americans. how are we going to move our administration to let go of this issue that clearly we failed at resolving. and i daresay we are part of the problem. because we enable israel to be what it wants to be regardless of the consequences for the israelis, the americans, or the palestinians. how are we going to move

forward, understanding our limitations here in the u.s.? thank you. >> we have to differentiate, and the people, the american people, they must -- your vote, this administration, from where did it come? who protested? is the american people. your vote is the strength. and you must speak to everyone to tell them about what is happening, and who to elect, to let the people that will serve them and to help them. i fully supported president obama that i admire, but at the same time, it's not an issue of just speeches. it's an action. with what happened just last week, the veto against the settlement, in this way you are supporting the concept.

you induce harm to the israeli government and to the israeli people. if the photo with stopping for some it will help israelis and opened her eyes and to realize one thing we have to change, but in this approach it blindly supports, it is harmful. it must be changed. and as i said, your vote to speak to everyone, please, it's our life. because at the end it will carry reputation, the american people's reputation outside. they will say to the americans, but the american people are different from the administration. and it's important. we need leaders. president obama and others to have the moral carriage -- the moral courage to think not with his eye, i understand that he wants to be reelected, but if he wants to be reelected, to

sacrifice that for one holy and noble cause, someone to stand up one day to give hope to the people, that i have the moral courage to say the truth and to take action. the right action to break the circle between the israelis and palestinians. >> i have tremendous sadness for your loss and tremendous admiration for what you are doing as a result, but i want to go you talked a lot about connection and communication. and i wonder, it's very complicated story, and i thought it very interesting. i read a lot about the al-jazeera reports on both sides and i found very interesting that my understand was a different because what i read was that the former prime ministers of israel had come very close to an agreement, but then did mr. abbas was concerned because he wasn't sure about the

borderlines and he just wanted what they had agreed to end he just wants a people more expert in the master take a look at it. said it would get back to the next by much of the next day, and then he recalled somewhere. somewhere. and the israeli government fell. so i ask this with great respect, why do we have such a different picture of all of that? it looked to me like they were very close but i didn't hear the same story you did. >> i can say to you, what did you say, something in the newspaper, someone who said it, to tell the story but speed is it was two people both confirmed, both parties -- >> it is by boat but the document that i spoke about are documented in writing. and as you said, there were before here in washington, they said it's an offer. what's important is if this can

be put in action. that's the challenge. but what did i said about the document, it has been documented and written. and this has been rejected. it has been rejected. >> i think -- >> i am thinking, what you need more than documents that have been offered to the israeli government and they rejected it? >> i want to talk to after if i could because i think if we could understand and figure out where some of these misunderstandings could come from -- >> there's no misunderstanding. this is evidence. this is the evidence we speak. evidence-based medicine. now with arguments. and history will go to the test. if someone i suspect from history, what confirms that is a lab test. so the lat this is the doctor and evidence-based so that is

what do we want, not suggestions and expectation. it's documented and it's approved and it's in worse. we need even, if they said that. why not implement it on the ground? >> who signed a? again, i don't think we should talk any more -- >> no. >> my understand was -- [talking over each other] thank you very much. >> it's what i read. and in your times. they said that mr. abbas confirmed the report. >> there are many, many multiple sources, dr. abuelaish is talked about what came out of the wikileaks and al-jazeera. and i think our friendship was talking about "the new york times" magazine piece, and there's a lot of tragedy here because there was a chance, but it didn't happen.

and that's -- we're going to signing a book that and it's going to be right here. you don't have to go downstairs or anything because this institution is so full and busy that this is the place where we're going to sign books. and there's going to be a line, and i suggest that we take what our good friend, dr. abuelaish said, and think to your neighbor about what actions we can take to influence things in america on this issue. as he did at the j street meetings. and so we're going to line up and sign books. and you will come up, and our folks, jackie, you would tell us what to do. [applause] >> thank you so much.

>> dr. izzeldin abuelaish here on booktv. you can find out more about his work by visiting daughtersforlife.com. >> is there a nonfiction author a book you would like to see featured on booktv? send us an e-mail at booktv@c-span.org or tweet us at twitter.com/a booktv. >> so you a ride, the timeframe, the shooting happened at 2:27 approximately. six shots got off in less than two seconds. how long before the hospital was dealing with this? it was a matter of a few more minutes of? >> we came right to the hospital. he walked in and class. divided into the resuscitation area. most promise were notified a patient was coming and atomic

came was a something israel time to do that. but they were there. they got evicted put them on a journey. it took all of his clothes off, started ivs and it all the right things but it was a flawless resuscitation. >> so reagan walks in, jerry is in the leading and jerry tries to get ahead to help them out. reagan's has no. jerry thinks he wants to be a cowboy i guess. and he gets out and he hitches up his pants like he always does, and mike deaver goes yeah, i think he will be okay. the other agents are not so good. ronald reagan viewed his role as president as a role to play. he was a long time after. he was not going to get carried off stage. he walks income gets about 15 feet and collapses like a rock just like that. there's a paramedic right there. he's kind of a source of my. i should have said that too loud. not a single one but he provided

information. bob was there. he sees reagan fall to the ground. bob thinks my god, he is code city. code city means he's going to die. the other nurses there, their hands are shaking. they're having nightmare thoughts about the present will die. they did not think he would make it. >> what did you think when he collapsed? >> well, i really thought he was going to die also. about the first three or four minutes because he looks so terrible. one of the first nurses in, i thought she said no blood pressure. but what she said was low blood pressure and faint heartbeat. i didn't think he was going, but he kept living on and letting on, and they kept doing the right thing to him. >> doctor, let's go back to that page. in those days i guess it was a pager your caring? >> no, usually they paid with

bellboy. i was surprised are a stat page over the public address system. and it was unusual so i went right downstairs and i walked into the emergency room and i saw a lot of strange people, you know, young people with earphones and tiny things in the year. i didn't know quite what was going on. and i went back in the resuscitation area. and there he was lying on a stretcher totally naked. the president of the united states to my residence where their -- >> did you know right away pashtun how did you know it was the president? >> i just don't. i didn't have to think about. >> he had never seen him naked those? >> i had never seen him naked. i just look at his face, i promise you that. >> all right. >> my residence were already there and doing an excellent job resuscitating him. and putting ivs in and doing all the things we are trying to do. they all spent time in baltimore for three want to do of their experience with managing.

when i got there he actually was improving already. personal he was lying down so that always improves blood pressure. second leaflet was going into them, and he was alert. get a concerned look on his face. we asked them how he was doing, what's going on? he said he was short of breath, have something. we turned him around and saw the entrance wound of the bullet. we turned to see if it came out. it did not. >> you knew it was a bowl at? >> we have the information. a small little hole right underneath. so thanks move very quickly. there was six or seven people around, and people from the outside looking at it thinks it's very chaotic event. but it's not that anybody has a job to do and we move quickly to get the job done. within a relatively short a time blood pressure started coming up. we knew because he had lost blood and there was no doubt on

the side of the chest, that he had bleeding into his left breast cavity. >> so how long before there was surgery to try to remove the bullet? >> the first thing you have to do is put a chest tube in. the way you treat most of these patients and most patients are treated successful this what is you put it test to been. the idea to put the tube in the thoracic cavity, drive the blood and then the laundry expands. the long is a low pressure system not like the arterial system. it is a low pressure system. once a week spending goes up against the chest wall it uses soft 85, 90% of the time. this time it did not. >> so there was that preliminary but by what, 3:30 he was under -- >> he was in the emergency room about 40 minutes. for units of blood, a whole bunch of sailing, but the chest to been. what you do is you watch the blood. initially there's a rush of blood.

then once that is out you hope that blood loss is going to get less and less and this did not happen. to the contrary, it got four. that's what i called the chief of thoracic surgery to come down. he came down and took over the care of the patient. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> coming up is evgeny morozov, he argues that the internet may do less to democratize states and more to maintain dictators and heard dissidents. the author examines the ways governments are used in a to maintain political power. evgeny morozov discusses his book in conversation with susan glasser, editor-in-chief of foreign policy at the new america foundation in washington, d.c.. this is an hour. >> thank you so much for that terrific introduction, and for

giving us the platform tonight to talk about evgeny morozov's book which is based on my experience over the last two years, it guarantees you to provoke, in rage and disturb, upset half the audience. will figure out by the end which have are the cyberutopian's and which have are the cyber realists with us tonight. but no, i couldn't be more delighted to congratulate evgeny morozov on the publication of this book which has been interesting for me and for all of us to take place over the last couple years. in many ways we've watched sort of the live-action on the internet evolution of evgeny's thinking. and we have gone from the early days a couple years ago where evgeny was sorted out there wondering and thinking and i was hoping that there was something called a twitter