her engagement in the arts and the support of cultural institutions. this is about an hour. >> thank you donned so much for putting this series together, for that very nice introduction. thank you too to ari and felicia as well as the u.s. capitalist oracle society. don and i were chatting just beforehand that it is especially appropriate to talk about jacqueline kennedy at a historical society such as this, because it was jacqueline kennedy who kicked off the movement to have historical societies for our branches of government, so it is the white house that had the first historical society founded by mrs. kennedy in 1961 and then the capitalist oracle society don tells me followed one year later in 1962, and then a few years later, 1974 the supremes as we call them, the u.s. supreme court is stargel society

was founded in 1974. ..

>> impressive speaker. i have to recall looking back so to me she came across as dowdy but at the time i am sure that she did not. >> we will talk about that are also we will talk about that two and i will serve as a reviewer. but also to read her book. keep that thought about impressive is the keying abilities of her fashion and we will compare it to jacqueline kennedy. other first ladies or you're first memory of a first lady? >> i was born in hawaii

eleanor roosevelt. >> wonderful. >> term other covered rose a net -- rose about mrs. the wonderful part about speaking in washington d.c. everybody has a story. i give the stock fairly frequently and i ask the very question who is the first lady you can remember? was a nice lady said miss it is calvin coolidge. we have a winner. nobody can top that. anything anybody wants to offer? >> >> i remember thinking how

low could the lady eisenhower was looking. >> we will talk about the looks of the ladies prior to kennedy but maybe eisenhower was the immediate predecessor to jacqueline kennedy. if we can move on. tellme who is your favorite? if you have spokane you cannot speak again. this is how the supreme court runs the conference you cannot give to opinions on your case until everybody can give one. tell me about your favor first lady. >> jacqueline kennedy. a likely suspect. i am told that this is one of the largest turnouts for the first three of these and i do not doubt it. jacqueline kennedy still has a tremendous hold on the american imagination in. any others? >> let's move on.

why is it jacqueline kennedy maintains a hold on the american imagination? all slides will illustrate why it is. but i will not make you raise your hand if you watch qvc and i only see it when i just race through channel surfing but what catches my eye is winning have the jacqueline kennedy jewelry for sale. open it be great if we could afford it the types of precious stones that she had? this is costume reproduction but this is what is available to all of us including the heartbreaking photos of her with her two children and in here are some fear the recent books

about jacqueline kennedy there is hardly a year that goes by without a couple and two of them virtually came out about the time she spent to aristotle onassis serving in new york as a book editor. there referencing her books the book that she edited to get a sense of what she was like in the latter third of her life as a senior editor in new york city. now let's talk about why she has such an impact on our imagination after we celebrate 50 years of the camelot administration. the ifs 50th anniversary of that cold day when kennedy was inaugurated the 35th president of the united states. take a look at these political science definitions and this

photograph is one of the symbols of mrs. kennedy. you mentioned may be eisenhower what about missives truman? think of those three immediate predecessors. when they left office they were in their sixties. jacqueline kennedy was 31. there had not been young children since the teddy roosevelt era of the early 1900's and they were not as young as caroline who was only three years old and john, jr. was just born between the election and inauguration. the first time that has ever happened to. this picture was taken 1962 per continue imagine mamie eisenhower or bess truman on a horse? i cannot because like my own grandmothers who were of that generation, i never saw my grandmother's their

trousers. they always wore dresses. just to see a first lady in writing clothes and to be athletic she was a wonderful equestrian. to be horseback was different. this horse was given to her by the president of pakistan when she made a trip there in 1962. it was mia officials to go there and india. she was a huge hit there. and many plutocrats uc of her there from that time at the white house and on her farm near she rented and built a farm house in northern virginia. often times when she is writing she is writing this horse broke he was very grateful to her. she had thrown an amazing state dinner spring and

early summer 1961 and now burn in and had everyone me too and ketchup but down the potomac river to arrive at mount vernon and had a beautiful outdoor a lovely dinner so that still sets the upper bar for the amazing steak dinners the the concept of political symbolism, know how it taps into emotional and moral and psychological feelings? and jacqueline kennedy is still in our consciousness that is why because she taps into those elements of our emotion. all that glitters is not a cold. there are some things that perhaps were not.

that is the very definition of a political symbol. it may not be true but has ideas that people want to believe band. many americans wanted to believe the legend and mythology of camelot. what were the other symbols jacqueline kennedy is now famous for coming and having an impact on her husband's presidency, coming from 1962 she is with her husband in mexico on a state visit. who is in different? here is kennedy's standing to the back he was known not to have a gift for foreign languages. his boston accent made his english day foreign accent. [laughter] it took us awhile to get used to that. i was taught by dominican in nuns so i was used to hearing those words so i

could tap into that. look at how she was dressed. you said some prior first lady's, i would describe them as major me with the old fashioned suits also addresses or hapsburg a look at mrs. kennedy. it was not that, men to wear sleeveless attired to a formal even. now we take that for granted and now mrs. obama has brought that back into go. not a very bright pink instead of a somber suit or dress with full sleeves or a little have. she could wear this hat to the kentucky derby and the right answer dial. it gives her husband and other boost of fashion. when the other is items she

was famous for it is when i did research on your i call this that i was doing a book analyzes interested in her restoration of the white house and the curator said restoring the white house with so associated with the name and memory of mrs. kennedy that americans think that no one has ever touched the white house since she left in 1963 but we know everybody who moves into a new apartment or house does some redecorating. most have but she undertook the project to restore completely the white house and take it from a shabby 1950's knotty pine flow colonial to the proper inappropriate look for the aged and wish it was built.

she also established commissions and committees about the art, antiques, paintings and the white house. she made sure everything that was their that they were authentic. paintings cultures, painting up on wall street and antiques purpose of this is a sad day in mrs. kennedy's life. this is the red room because that was the first room she completed but the day of her husband's funeral. she insisted she would meet those who were coming from afar, diplomats, and she stood with her brother-in-law senator kennedy and insisted on treating everyone who came to pay their respects to her husband. we also remember her for state entertaining. in the short amount of time she was in the white house

just a little over 1,000 days, money through 16 state dinners. interfirst term of george w. bush i think they had to. remember 9/11 have been thomas security issues, but the second ambushes were not is interested in that it in the state entertainment or bringing people from abroad to entertain at the white house. the kennedy's love that lifestyle. they came from the northeast with ties to new york city, a kennedy had ties with hollywood going back to his father's day. they loved the glitter and cannot ship of entertainment but also they loved and the arts. she will reduce every one of these occasions to bring

artist to the white house. playwrights. she would bring singer's. opera singers. she would bring orchestra is. it plays would be done at the white house. this also reminded her there was no proper national stage for the arts in washington d.c. and you know, what that leads to. this particular photograph just behind her you will see them on the supper broke -- mona lisa. of the and this is kennedy is mysterious to us because she maintains a tight hold on her privacy. almost all first ladies have written memoirs but mrs. kennedy never did. think of hillary clinton were she finds out about her

husband's infidelity and she says i wanted to bring bills nec mini on occasion mrs. kennedy wanted to do the same but she did she never wrote about our went to oprah and she kept these in her heart. it adds to the mystique and to the o.r. up. it is perfect for her to facilitate the bar wing of the painting from the of french it is the height of the cold war. the president did call could be princely and it could be difficult to deal with them at times bit know how mrs. kennedy is standing over here. this is how she approached men of power. she would talk her shoulder under their's and in her very whispery voice she would whisper and then then

would unload their hearts and tell her all of the things that they wanted her to know. entrees was the minister of culture in france and he adored mrs. kennedy and she adored him. she is standing next to him not even her husband or the vice president johnson. that was part of her power. throw her husband's presidency. we also give her credit for saving lafayette square. imagine standing in front of the warehouse phasing out toward mafia park. what if we don't have the beautiful town homes that are there and completely restored including dolley madison's home where she lived after her husband's presidency. imagine if we had high-rise

concrete federal office buildings? this is the plan put into motion in the 1950's because the federal government continue to proliferate. president eisenhower and kennedy signed off on a plan to raise and demolish all of the townhomes in lafayette square to use the prime real estate to put up high-rise office blocks for the federal bureaucracy. mrs. kennedy got wind of this and winter her husband to say please do not do this. here she is with the architect. look at the towne house. they can be restored. she called on the west coast architect whose particular interest was how to preserve history while adding modern architecture said he suggested putting into low-rise office buildings of red brick.

not concrete let print beautiful the federal ara brick that goes with the brick sidewalks in pavement throughout lafayette square. the next time you're down there think of mrs. kennedy. and then kicked off a movement of preservation in the united states. she says i am worried the bomb will hit and obliterate us all in washington but it didn't and she saved this beautiful spot for us. that is just the united states. we didn't talk about a broad. the even in this day and age imagine what it took for her to pull off a trip to pakistan and india. she did that with great aplomb with her sister. the first time a broad as

first lady with the official state visit with her husband was to paris. at that time kennedy famously said let me introduce myself i am the man who accompanied jacqueline kennedy to paris and i enjoyed it. he was in the background because she was so beautiful and spoke perfect french. spent her junior year abroad so she spoke fluent french and he does not look prickly but charmed and happy. she is wearing a designer down. she typically to where american designers american and had a primary silenced in america but when in paris and do as the parisians would do and that is why she chose this down.

with a bodice, she had embroidered flowers. this is what she wore to the state dinner adverse side. at a first cy. and have to keep the ball on our side buy she met in vienna when her husband went to the senate. president kennedy went into the summit meeting summer of 1961 the first time he would meet nikita khrushchev. he thought i am young, i am bright and dynamic and charismatic. i will be able to charm this communist with no problem. one problem. he didn't. and khrushchev came out at the first point* negative and face and chris jeht took

the measure of demand but mrs. kennedy is meeting at the same time with mrs. khrushchev and they are getting along famously. i am not here to argue that saves the free world and if you have the personal diplomacy going on behind the scenes that helps. another point* i want to raise coming mrs. kennedy is wearing a subdued dark suit but a lovely pillbox hat to. look at this is khrushchev. you are a third-world country you had not aligned with the soviets or the communist. will like cast my lot with the united states or the soviet union? which one do you picked? >> it sounds facetious but there is something to it. the kennedy's love sun. this

stylish and the soviets do not. next, and mrs. kennedy meets with nikita chris jeff himself. it is not the officials meeting that meets him at the state dinner. and will look at the facial expressions. president kennedy is in the background and here she is in a lovely beaded gown and apparently she said this when he began to dazzle her with statistics about how many missiles they had and cannons they were producing and tractors, she supposedly said a zero mr. chairman don't bore me with statistics and he broke into a smile. and he looked like a russian schoolboy at the start of spring with the ice is melting. she just melted him with her charm.

other images were of her life as a mother. think how perfect this was at the height of the baby-boom? it goes 1946 through 1964. caroline was born 1957, , jr. 1960. mrs. kennedy is part and parcel of the baby-boom this is why my mother who was having her own baby boom packed my two older brothers and me in 1956 chevy and drove us to louisville kentucky to see senator kennedy comes through to give a campaign speech. my mother loved history and politics but not like the rough-and-tumble of political rallies. she did like to drive downtown. she did not like crowd. but this family

family, caroline, mr. and mrs. kennedy sowed true my mother, a catholic housewife to go see her new political hero. and she would say don't you remember we got there early and then they chicanes price that i am trying so hard to remember but i am four. i remember the balloons and the confetti and one for earrings dropped off. we found it on the way out. somebody stepped on it. but i say you turn me into a political scientist at the age of four and for ever more interested in the kennedys but this is why jacqueline kennedy resonated. this is taken august 1963 and another sad time. she had just lost her son patrick born premature one week before and died of lung

ailment and only lived two days and carolina's old enough to understand issue will not have a baby brother or sister. jon was a little too young but what kennedy did the week after patrick died was to come back from washington to bring all of the family dogs and the puppies to light in the spirit. here they are sitting on their porch at hyannis port. the media played a role. it was not just mrs. kennedy putting out the symbols or images. in 1952 when president eisenhower was elected president. 20% had television but by 1960 was kennedy, 80% of households have television. if they were all black and white.

and we only had to new channels. that is true but they were on television all lot. mr. mrs. kennedy lowered beautiful on television and even more beautiful and the glossy "life" magazine covers. practically every week one or more of the kennedys think of the brothers and the sisters and a brother in law and the sister-in-law were portrayed. as typical of pop culture icons, they reflect the times in which they live to become a wince has which they live. and television comes on the scene, this photo is from the famous devore from

valentine's day 1962. joshi took him through the white house, showed that -- showed all the rooms she did not read from cue cards but had this in her brain. all of the portraits and pagers and furniture and restore a further she one -- one and every award and then show is recorded in the center around the world to the extent we could get it behind the iron curtain and kennedy made a cameo appearance and said it is a symbol of american history. when we were first country 200 years ago there was a star in russia and an emperor and taking.

if you're still wondering which way to go, pick us. we have a great symbolism but said they we know how the story ends. november 22nd, 1963 interestingly enough mrs. kennedy volunteered to go with her husband to texas it was a fund-raiser also to bring together the two warring factions of the texas democratic party and mrs. kennedy has not gone out on a domestic trip for the entire presidency. she did not like the rough and tumble of campaigning. she was too refined. she rarely volunteered. it is just three nights after she lost her baby. her and the president had grown closer because of that

but she was so distraught that the president urged her to go abroad and she went on and greek cruise with her sister's boyfriend aristotle onassis and came back much more refreshed and happier and volunteered to go to dallas with her husband and said for all of the war that she experienced what a blessing she could be there when the end game. just one hour we know how this story and is. in those six horrifying seconds the shots rang out of the motorcade in dallas, mrs. kennedy lost her husband, her home and her job. imagine what that must have them like. but she was willing at the request of lyndon johnson to come out in the cabin to stand next to him when he took the oath of office.

and you remember that day. you have this image burned in your brain. she refused to change clothes she was wearing her famous raspberry chanel suits. her hat can often the chaos but she refused to take off the suit because she said i want them to see what they did too my house band. i was seven years old at the time and i remember watching television and remember that we gasped when she came off the plane still wearing that super she refused to take off. then she was the mortar and chief. she had a few moments of shock the very quickly got her wits about her and asked her husband's family and cabinet members looking into planning the funeral and

that it was on abraham lincoln's funeral and thinking of symbolism in history e in her grief parker here she comes with caroline and john and one hand and the president's brother behind her and peter behind the group. in the videos i can only find one moment and public where she begins to cry softly when they arrive at checkout -- capital bearing her husband's casket as it was carried up the steps the band struck up hail to the chief and she just dropped her head to her chest and began to cry softly. one week after the assassination and she is in hyannis port with her family for thanksgiving and called

one journalist teddy white who wrote "the making of the president" and asks him to come from to write a story about her husband to put into "life" magazine for that week and he had to say we are ready to go to press. she said i don't care. stop the presses i need to tell you this story. a. nor'easter was developing and teddy white's mother was suffering a heart attack but he got a chauffeur and was driven from new york city to cape cod through the driving nor'easter and lives on the scene late afternoon and she begins to tell him the story of what she witnessed one reit the floor and spare no details. she had to get an offer for chest. and then she said i want my

husband to be remembered as follows, he loved the musical camelot which was a very popular stage play in new york at that time. he loves the soundtrack and at night his back was hurt and it would be cold but we went on the cast album and it sounds trivial but i cannot get this out of my mind. this refrain goes over and over in my head. do not let it be forgot that once there was this bought for one brief shining moment known as camelot. she is the one who picks the metaphor, that picture and damage to describe for husband although brief presidency and so just to remind us, richard brainman

and robert goulet and julie andrews. those three days of the funeral in washington d.c. november in 1963 asking just from the mansion were husband was buried to have an eternal flame. she had that idea from the tomb of the unknown soldier and thought that would be such inappropriate metaphor going back to the inaugural address says the torch is passed to a new generation so they all lit the eternal flame. she also hired john paul again, architect friend to put together and design lets a the gravesite and i am sure most of you have been to arlington cemetery to see it and then request that she

is buried there with she dies in 1994 and -- due to the full member of not in france or greece but to be buried with her husband and the two children that she lost. patrick and a stillborn daughter from the '50s. where does jacqueline kennedy fall when it comes to literature about first ladies? you may come next week for eleanor roosevelt but first ladies in the modern era those of us to steady first lady's we put eleanor roosevelt in her own category. she is unto herself. no one like her before or after but for those ladies

to come after i maintain she is a bridge first lady because she bridges the gap between the very traditional ladies' of bess truman and mamie eisenhower but the most modern first lady beginning with lady bird johnson, they have had public policy that they have worked on in their husbands administration. if it said name that policy, for every first lady 10 or more could say exactly a what fact first lady is famous for. but what about laura bush and michelle obama? are days supportive spouses of our more of a presidential partner or spouse? and i say think about this.

i st. laura bush had to be that not too hillary. >> she did not go too far on the health care initiative so people began to say she is not elected are accountable if we don't like what she is doing we have no way to reach her. she dialed back to become more traditional by being in favor of women's issues like child advocacy. that suited lowered bush personality but also the tuna -- times of what we wanted. it and michelle obama has only been there two years and is still feeling her way but acting more obeyed first policy it is about diet and children and exercise and anti-of the city and also too young children she needs to focus on. what about future first lady's? what model will they use?

what if it is the first gentlemen? >> asking me to say a word about my next project i am writing about the president's mother, rose kennedy. i believe she started the process of kennedy imagery of creating but i hope that you look for this in the next couple of years. rose, the mother of the kennedys. of these first lady's that you have heard about are here and we have about 10 minutes if you have questions. please feel free to ask. >> can-do touch upon the

scandals with the improprieties of course, this is a book of scholarship and history and facts one cannot ignore that. what i think she was trying to do the week after the assassination is get out in front of the stories. there is a whole book called the dark side of camelot from seymour hersh in the late nineties and it is about this thick and 51 the improprieties and infidelities on the personal side as well as mistakes that he thought he made with corn policy, be my guest. knock yourself out and read it cover to cover and you will see the dark side.

i don't know if she took him into mind one weeks later how it would happen but we think that she did know of his infidelity said she was trying to get out ahead of that by creating the camelot legend. if i focus on the images and make the case that symbols are not always true. and house to believe of ideas. they wanted to believe. this shining golden age of the kennedy administration and therefore shakes eight -- succeeded in getting out front of the personal life as well as revisionist history but in the 50th year we are commemorating the

administration and calling it camelot, still using the metaphor, i hear and have president kennedy's own foibles but people still have an interest in her and you are a testament to that. >> would you think about the movie due out this week? thrown out with the history channel because the kennedys objected to that? >> there is a movie that will be out this coming week it will not be on the history channel because they're committed to telling the truth to being a as factual as possible and there were some questions about the validity of some

four trails of the kennedys because the dark side of cannot even if only half of it is true, it is pretty bad but put all of these negative things be true? what happened with the movie is ted sorensen was it -- with whom i met with him in june and then passed away in october. tense and rents in common node fed title? he shook his head and looked in negative i do not like the word image. he was trying to portray the substance when he worked for president kennedy and didn't want people to think there was no substance or style to

the image. but he was leading the charge against the upcoming movie because he thought it was filled with inaccuracies. so i guess anything that is in the media based on our on understanding how much is true but we should say it is not a golden portrayal that list of the administration and contains some negatives. >> [inaudible] if i can find it. i said the movie is coming up. how we're pretty sure i a saw the channel but it seems to have disappeared but to

say i am a scholar i will watch it at in case i get questions like this that people say what do you think? and sensing i will say the same thing even if half of the bad things are true that is pretty bad that it is how we want to bring the balance of our views first to policy and then the personal side. if wade disqualify every president who had the extra marital affair we're down to a low number of men who qualify for the like -- warehouse. >> and wanted to throw a few more words about eleanor roosevelt. >> i know you have that chance the next week. do you want to compare her

to kennedy? >> your statement about children in the white house. for the first two years the roosevelt administration she had two grandchildren and the white house. >> there are wonderful photos of her followed by at least a dozen and i do have the pleasure this last december of a dining appear i was with of colleagues and i said did you see that gentlemen? that looks like one of franklin roosevelt's grandchildren and my a friend is said how would you note? i said i have seen it on c-span two years ago. my colleague was too embarrassed and i of course, go up to the man who is having dinner with his daughter and i say i you franklin roosevelt's

grandson? he said yes. how did you know, that? i said i saw you two years ago he was on the democratic committee trying to determine whether mrs. clinton are barack obama would get which of the delegates so they are around but the franklin roosevelt had a number of young children it is not quite the same as the first couple. there is something that is the guiding about that especially if there are too young be dialing children as there are now in you may have occurred because mrs. kennedy was so concerned about privacy she would draw lines about when the children and how the children could be photographed but when she

would leave the white house alone to go to northern virginia or abroad president kennedy would go to a salinger to say it is time to get pictures of the children. some of those wonderful a compelling children their children dancing around are a taken when mrs. kennedy was a way. >> can you talk about her understanding of for image and how that plays out during the onassis marriage? >> absolutely. our image played out once she remarried aristotle onassis in the fall of 1968. remember that the timing of that four per. her brother-in-law with bobby that she had grown so

close and had become a surrogate father to caroline and john and deed was struck down by an assassin and she supposedly commented our country is going crazy if they're killing kennedy's my children maybe next. she was looking for safety and security which aristotle onassis represented by having his own island off of the coast of greece where he could take her and the children not to mention their own yacht and millions and millions of dollars. we think of the kennedys as being wealthy and she was left fairly well off buy her husband's will, not necessarily enough to support her in the way she was accustomed to. she was looking for some financial security as well.

but you are driving at her image took a hit. aristotle onassis was viewed as the unscrupulous businessman. and he did not look like president kennedy. if you put yourself out as the queen of camelot but then marry a troll people take that personally and i can remember my mother and others saying after she was married to that handsome president how could she married aristotle onassis? but in his defense when i was first rate team this book mrs. kennedy's sister appeared on larry king. and he asked her. what was it your sister saw in aristotle onassis? she said i had been interested in mr. onassis.

you have to understand he was so charismatic and a the way he would move through a room and he moved like a potentates for the other is something compelling about him in addition to money that both sisters were drawn to your right to and for her image did take a hit. she dropped in some of the polls who is your most admired woman? she dropped during those years but it went back up after he died and continue to live the life style in new york with a quiet life working as the editor but the historic preservation like grand central station. she went up in the polls toward the time when she died 1994. she was the top 10 category. her image came back.

we can take one more. [inaudible] >> i did not get a good chance to ask her. i am not sure that she commented that perhaps things were winding down with that romance and mrs. kennedy took over. but i do not know the exact answer. but it is intriguing with that. thank you for your attention today and your wonderful questions. [applause] hajj

six india's stewart was a mother of one child, the 18 year-old daughter who lived with her partner david and a farmhouse outside of town practice cynthia was a passionate photographer and became one after her daughter was born and decided to document her daughter's life in great detail and relished that but by the time she was eight she had taken and 35,000 photographs. these are not digital but rolls of film developed at the discount drug mart. all of those pictures were numbered and filed but if she wanted to put to together a book but she has a lot to choose from. 1999 she scooped up 11 rolls

to have them developed. a few days later 10 it will scale back the one of them did not. she assumed it was lost and began to call a lab. she knew the photographs had pictures of her in the bathtub. ever since she was born but a few weeks went by and the police knocked on her door to say her picture was at the station and she was relieved but said there were serious questions we want you to talk to us about those. she was completely willing to go and thought there was nothing to hide. she pointed out the boxes of photographs and she was a

photographer they did not ask to see the photographs. when she consulted david he insisted that they were to get but the next day they met with a lawyer who was a specialist of family law. cynthia explained what she thought was if the police are concerned if you were photographed enough they may pass them to the prosecutor pritzker if the prosecutor is concerned he will pass along to children's services and if they are concerned they will send a social worker and also find out the intent of the photographs? >> she had an affidavit rich enough that she will sawning

and had it notarized and suspended to the police. six weeks of buy and it was never a search warrant and the county prosecutor did not contact the lawyer to ask further questions and children's services never showed up. everyone assumed this incident was over and everything was taken over but on september 28, to sheriff deputies came to the door and arrested since the up. and to occur to the county jail and david had to bail her out with a $20,000 lien on the house. she was arrested on two felony charges for the first was ohio law said you cannot take a photograph of a naked

child. that would make most of us felons. [laughter] fortunately the law was constrained by this ohio supreme court and the u.s. supreme court to cases where there was a graphic focus of the genitals. new deal lowered was not good enough there had a vehicle to focus on the genitals the second oil is the drafting a child in a sexual performance. the voters that day were taken after a local art gallery one photograph of a woman rising out of the tab and asked if they could replicate the photograph at home so they fill the bathtub with bubble bath and

norah had risen up mr. eight -- mysteriously from the water. but wants the water ran out she continued to take photographs and there was a series of for rinsing off of her head, neck, the third photograph the water was streaming toward her genital area which was obscured by the water. the showers prayer was not touching her and it was the last thing with her bottom. those last two that the prosecutor alleged the child was in a sexual act. that was the second charge. when this hit the newspapers, not only in our little town and the

late-night news with the allegations you can imagine the town was shocked the family was very beloved come the well-known family. she was a school bus driver. and a very bright and gifted lovely child and everyone was stunned. my son was eight years old and a good friend of norad and there was a personal connection to a mother who was alleged to something so horrific but yet the mother of my son's close friend. . .