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independence. young man reaches the age where in any other history he would be defining himself as potential husband and father with the understanding that he has had a clear important social role. today provider husbands and fathers are optional with reproductive technology if women so choose they can simply by sperm and forget about the man who delivered it. meanwhile, young men have seen fathers and uncles discarded by wives, cast out of their home and separated from the children. no wonder they look around the culture, shrug, and do their own thing. >> you can watch this and other programs on line at booktv.org. now on book tv, john cole talks to radio host alan sty pack also known as the book guys about his book encyclopedia of the library of congress which covers the

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on bookguys.com. we are glad you're with us for the c-span edition of the book guy. ♪ >> hello everybody. welcome to washington, d.c. where we have a distinguished boring looking panel of guys with great here but we are going to talk about exciting things, the encyclopedia the library of congress. it's an oddity no building with the title library can possibly be as or need as the main building to its the national library the was resurrected after an 1814 burning by one man who sold his personal library to get it going again. while it is the library of congress, scholars from all over the world come to use its vast research capabilities perhaps honest of all except in washington only one of the libraries of congress was a professional librarian. most of the others were political appointments at various occupations.

with us on the program to talk about the library as well as the services and encyclopedia of the library of congress for congress the nation and the world is john cole. his co-editor is jane of the national endowment for the humanities. john is the come tour of the book in the library of congress. we will talk about add that as well as the pri in goes a long to read your organization brings the radio audience book guys quiz and have a special c-span viewer quiz when some fine books on book collecting including all of the books. the winner gets the selection. welcome to you all and welcome to you at home. >> let's talk about the genesis of the whole project the encyclopedia. why the library thought was necessary to publish about itself basically because there is never been a quite as faeroe as the magnificent institution. this encyclopedia took about ten

years. my assistant jane who is a wonderful statistician and did a lot of the statistical tables we are both interested in the library that salles and opportunity to put together essays and in alphabetical history articles that trace the libraries origins from 1800 through 2004 plus a lot of pictures from those are crisis. it was an opportunity as someone who loves library and its history i couldn't turn it down. >> there are three buildings as i mentioned on cattle held their offside buildings as well. what's the purpose and where are they? >> the major ones are storage buildings. we have filled all three buildings on the hill, the collections remind you over 135 million items all formats and languages. the new admissions are at fort meade in maryland where we are building storage for the paper collections, 20 warehouses have been authorized. two of them have been filled already.

so, back up a book collections will go there and put up the to back up manuscript collections of going south we go to culpepper virginia, where a hollowed out civil defense mountain will become the new home of the world's largest motion picture collection and a member of the staff members from the library will be part of the new national audiovisual conservation center which has the motion picture collection and conservation work on those collections as the focal point. >> underground perhaps for preservation? >> above ground inside the mountain funded privately in part by the foundation. >> we know the original library of congress in the capitol but if we went to the current capital where we find for any vestiges of where the library was when it started? >> it's tough to find. i've tried. believe me. the exhibit office has done a good job of telling you where

they used to be. but the major library has disappeared completely. it was across the west front of the building. it was the best tourist place all through the 19th century, created in 1800. jefferson library as you mentioned came in 1815 expanding the scope for ever and suddenly the people came to look down on the mall and go through the books and in fact that part was completely destroyed when the new building opened in 1897. the library had to have its new building in order to expand nationally and eventually internationally. >> i found it interesting the original home for the library was the office of the clerk of the senate who also later became the library of congress. that link, when was that broken between the clerk of the senate and the library of congress? >> he was president of chris from 1801 to 1809 and he nurtured this little library as a bibliophile and his clerk,

john beckley and then patrick took on as an extra duty in those days for $2 a day the job library of congress. in 1815 madison appointed george watters and who was the leading man of the letters in washington, d.c.. supposedly he got his job because he dedicated poem to dolly madison and we cannot disprove that, but he also was -- >> who was the first full-time librarian who received jefferson's library. at that time in the largest hotel downtown washington because the british destroyed the building in 1815. so to move back to the capitol was 1818. >> use of the to the country for $23,000 discuss for the moment the importance of the nature of that library and the scope in the setting division for the library of congress. >> we will legislative library

and are part of congress as you have pointed out and doesn't let me forget but occasionally asking how many members of congress actually go to the library of congress. i will answer that later the books for england chosen by members of the joint committee on the library with a history law and things that you would administrator topics the congress needed after the british destroyed the washington, d.c., the capitol and the little library of congress was about 3,000 volumes in 1814 jefferson who loved this library offered to sell his personal library, the greatest personal library in our country at the time back to the congress to recommence the library of congress. that's what he wanted to do. but he also said why should congress take this collection that had architecture, art, art, books and five languages and previously had the smaller scope and the answer is one we use today because there was the

subject of which a member of congress identification to occur where there's the government brought country unique to have a knowledge base of as much broader than law and history. it was and philanthropic he needed the money. he had a bookseller given the evaluation and cannot roughly today for $4 of volume as a matter of fact because of course he spent a lot of money not only on those books which purchased in europe but also on his wine collection, and he was deeply in debt and jefferson saw very little of the money that congress finally appropriated. >> who is the bookseller? >> [inaudible] >> all the answers --

>> it was a great partisan battle over purchasing the books. wasn't there? >> it was more about jefferson himself. but yes, there was. they didn't like jefferson and congress, you're right, the only decided by a vote of the margin of ten votes to take it and think we wouldn't have had we wouldn't have been here today. you mentioned with the congress when it moved to the jefferson building in 1897, we look at the jefferson building now. was it as ornate than as it is now? this is the way that was designed? >> yes, it was and there's a long story which is told in the encyclopedia as well. >> i've got the book open to the reading room and we will show the dome in fact let me turn the page on the right is the dome, absolutely stunning building for a library. was there any opposition to this grandiose architecture? >> interestingly the objection really came from quietly with

the library of congress and the new englanders who desperately wanted space. used to get the fact it had kept growing more and more grand and the reason it happened was congress, congress fired the architect once the approval of the appropriation was made. there were huge disputes and scandals and they hired a general, when kim cayce the head of the army corps of engineers to finish the library of congress. casey was the man who just brought us the conclusion of the washington monument you know how you look at the monument and see the point casey brought it up to the sky and he finished the executive office building. he was a big thinker, nationalist and that time in the country, cultural nationalism and, along with what ever general casey wanted to wanted to raise the down 100 feet, put

the gold gilding on the building and we ended up with a national monument. but to get back to your question everybody was happy and of course he was very happy to have this piece and pretty much kept his mouth shut about the design. >> i think it is just a magnificent if you at home have never been in the library of congress is the reading room particular with its dome is all inspiring. that is the best clich that i can use the moment. split the bicentennial project years ago the library attempted to replicate jefferson's book's many of which i think most of which have been destroyed in the subsequent fire and i wonder how the project is coming. >> it's coming along. we aren't quite there yet but you're absolutely right. most of jefferson's books were lost in the capitol, two-thirds of them in 1851 before the jefferson building was built there was the fire that destroyed 55,000, two-thirds of

the library's collection and 55,000 volumes two-thirds of jefferson's so we only had 2,000 left. they came to the division. gradually through the years, people looked at filling them up and getting replacements but it wasn't until the bicentennial over james billington, the president library in the project was conceived not only to replace them but to replace them with the very additions that jefferson had which we can do because of the bibliography in the 1943, 1943 which did an addition by addition and one of the things that i won't forget i was lucky enough to be the co-chair of the bicentennial of the library in the library and there in the office dr. billington, the library announced the restore thomas jefferson's library and the donor was jerry jones, the owner

of the dallas cowboys and with his wisdom he compared mr. jones ambition and mr. jefferson's ambition both of them turn out to be wonderful friends of the library. secure listening to john cole, the co-editor of the encyclopedia of the library of congress. for congress, the nation and the world along with jane akin also with us of course is mick. i mentioned in the introduction that early on the appointment of the library of congress was a political one. the clerk and the senate and the library went together as did the space. mckinley appointed the only professional library and herbert put on and i was curious how did putnam workout as a library in being the first professional library to take the job? >> a small correction? >> sure. >> actually, she was inexperienced library in and then the head of boston public. he was able year. he wasn't trained as a library and except for his experience in many at minneapolis as the head

librarian. >> was he related to the putnam potion? >> yes he was, he was from the boston put on family. he worked out wonderfully because he was actually a library and from 1899 until 1939 that he had that building to play in 40 years. he brought in the library, librarians of the world as a constituency. back in 1896 when their jefferson building was open congress said what have we here we have this huge building, we don't know much about this institution. general casey and mr. swa offered worked together despite the differing tastes and they had hearings on what else to do and they brought the american library association to say what do we do, how do we handle this? putnam and dewey were the two library in to testify and they said you're doing great, folks,

but what you need to do is reach out to the library community. you're helping congress and the public and everybody else. and basically that is what putnam did in addition to the services to the libraries they went international, stoppard was an international. in 1907 to buy a wonderful russian collection became the basis of the russian collection. he's the this beautiful building he helped design and as soon as it opens the fire him. islamic he didn't mind and he wasn't fired. he was the chief assistant because he got to go back to being the acquisition to viet. it wasn't for putnam it was a man named john russell yondah journalist who died a year and a half later telling the steps of the beautiful jefferson building -- >> i would like to point out it's absolutely true that only

one of the librarians of congress was a trained library in. bush also point out that archibald had a voice and dr. billington our great international scholars. and they repeat what i bring to the task is a great awareness of what the function of the library is and supported -- >> i know there's no political factors left in the library of congress. >> is presently it is non-political. i swear it is that there are all these considerations. estimate at what point in who is urging the congress become the copyright, officials copyright center of the u.s. and how important was the decision? >> it was offered again back in 1870. it was from 1864 to 1897 before he got kicked upstairs or at least sideways, and suddenly the civil war met showed up as

assistant library and he had a staff of five, maybe it was seven, i get the odd number. he thought this should be the national library. how could he do it? he looked around the world and saw that other institutions had used copyright deposit as a means for building a copyright library so he went down the hall, got his buddy in congress, thomas jinx to tack on to the patent law than being revised the centralization of all u.s. copyright activities, registration and deposits of course what he really wanted and caught up later much to his regret but nonetheless congress just did it. ulysses grant found out on july july 8th and suddenly two copies of everything copyrighted in the united states prints, photographs, maps came flowing in and he had a new cause. i mean, he had copyright, the means for building the

collection, not international but he had and he yelled for help and next year he thought he was going to get congress to build a building and when they won the competition in the ensuing decade members of congress started to look at the library in the troubled overseas, they saw, they liked what they saw in terms of great national library buildings and they decided that helped decide that the plan wasn't grand enough for the institution they had increasingly had in mind. so, the building wasn't authorized until 86 and construction than really didn't start in earnest until 1889 under thomas lincoln casey. >> what is the function of the library of congress as the united states copyright center, international copyright which is getting more and more important on the whole intellectual property data. islamic we are the copyright office for the united states incorporates international copyright and you are quite

correct in this intellectual property day and age we feel it's a good thing for the library of congress to be the office because we can help balance both the user needs where after all we are a library but also the legal needs as our obligations to the legal community and to publishers to come to the floor. the library of congress has about 4500 employees now. i think there are probably more lawyers than professional librarians. >> a lot of them are in copyright. a lot of them are in the law library. so, we are a good place for us to try to achieve this balance which is terribly important and a tough problem. >> we talk about the grand library of congress and its services and international reach and of course we will talk later about the digitalization and what that's doing. but at one point the wood is hard to imagine the library of congress was opened to the d.c. citizens who could walk in and check out a book. whose idea was that and why did

they stop? >> will again cut the was in the 1890's as the best of my research and somehow he did that as well. but one thing i've come across in my research is he couldn't just borrow, you had to leave something like your wallet or small child. [laughter] but that gradually stopped with the jefferson building and when put mom took over the library alone in the same vein putnam has probably run into this as he talked to librarians around the country and around the world but they made a huge decision which in fact initially the congress didn't like he said he would from this big collection of this building that he would land books to other libraries, and congress have hearings on them. he was called to question in 1905, 07, and the congress said how can you do this? here you are sending them out

and put them basically said i would far rather take a chance on a book being used as someone felt they wanted the and i would on just having the book here and the chance for me is the optimistic bet and in a sense it was the kind of optimistic bet that the american library system makes on behalf of its citizens and that is our job is to educate. >> what is the current policy of the library of congress toward the public access if someone comes to washington and thinks the library of congress is a place for them to do their work what kind of hoops to they have to jump through to use the facilities? >> others the reader registration and in the security base now it's something nick knows more about the and i do we are super cautious. as we've instituted the registration that anyone can register so you have to have a reader card and you need to be over 16 unless you have a special letter, but that being assigned, you can go use the

collections in any of the 22 reading rooms, the general reading rooms. however we have made a major change in the early 90's after a series of theft and vandalism as a matter of fact and collections and the people, and went to jail to the scholars who were known. it's quite a surprise to us. we don't let people in any more that we make every effort to either bring the books to them or talk to them and make it open. >> i would hope that the library of congress people who come from wherever the united states asks to use materials they can't find someplace else because there are wonderful research libraries throughout north america the mission as the national library association of research

libraries. >> some librarians will say if you try your local library is first and in fact that is a good -- you're really interested in sharing and someone getting what they want sometimes they don't think of their state or local library. but, given this library of last resort idea, the library of congress tries to be as helpful as it can, and we are. >> can i just ask a question briefly, everything that is published in the united states is required by law to be submitted to the library? >> everything someone submits to copyright -- >> we have the right to keep and that is my next question. do you keep everything submitted and what comes from the books that aren't? >> there's a variety of things on like in england where they had the right idea but through the years we grew so fast that from 1870 when the copyright was centralized until 1909 when the first revision took place and herbert putnam right in was library in and what he wanted

but he also knew what he didn't want. he didn't want to be fully comprehensive. he didn't want everything that was published in the united states. he wanted to be selected and so the laws were changed allowing the library to choose. now, that being said, and that is still the case, that being said, we are still super comprehensive. but some categories of materials we don't take, vanity press items. we have yielded somewhat to the natural library of medicine, agriculture and technical letter culture, children's books, we are not comprehensive. we select but of course we have enormous historical collections. the other part of that is the copyright requires the deposit and sometimes we just keep one and we have a variety of ways that sharing what we don't keep first the federal government, the federal libraries. we are several, academic, public and all of those things the federal comes first and secondly

then the copies are made available to the citizens in general and i believe and ellinwood know about this there are some agents in fact from the material before everyone has looked at to see where the dealers would like some parts of this in return for the favor to the library of congress. were the books are put out for sale and people can come and choose what they want to make offers. that used to be open to the general public and was a very important source of inventory for many booksellers in the washington area. i note to the door no longer in the trade the rely on the library of congress sales to maintain their inventories. one of them was an expert in the eastern european languages put together one of the greatest collections of books i had ever seen. all else -- >> you know, actually in its own way it was the best form of accessibility to the general

public because the library gave people who had the knowledge in the field to present them to the public. now might understanding is it's not open to the general public anymore but certain individuals can get access and those books filter out of the masses through another direction. >> when you dever to another institution i did mention something in the order of 120 research libraries. as the research libraries specialize in southeast asia material and the university of hawaii specializes would do the dever to the institution certainly collecting interests. >> that is the library's way. [laughter] also on the questions nobody knows of the answer about the library. if you go to the website it's amazing the number of policies explained about this and the number of collection --.

>> you can get to the center for the book by a simple click and see which guests are having for upcoming radio shows. there's access there that the book guys said just for the collectors as well as the library of congress preservation and conservation guidelines for all print material. there's also access for the book of guys archive radio programs that bookguys.com. speaking of politics and sharing, what is the relationship and who determines the acquisition between the smithsonian institution and the library of congress, to of the biggest institutions in washington. >> into which you might add for the purpose here that the national archives and the library of congress chronologically we started in 1800 had historic but not much happened until the 1860's in 1946 they rushed to become the

national library of 1846 and 53 it almost did. there's no national archives until 1935 so the congress pushed ahead as big institutions do, especially in the 20th century get started acquiring a lot of material that today would be government records the would go right to the national archives. the smithsonian in the 1850's gave up the notion of becoming a national library and a frightened joseph henry who was the director who was the great scientist who wanted the smithsonian to be what it is today and maybe - some of the museum and the tourist types for the spread and the diffusion of knowledge. of course the smithsonian and part of the deal with henry who became friends actually henry fired charles, the nationalistic library and who wanted the smithsonian to be the national

library in 1853 or four. he said go of on the hill. there are going to be building wings on to that library of congress sunday. well, he started those in the 1860's and henry moly supported him but he gave the smithsonian library to stofford in 1856 to fill one of the wings and that is -- we also purchased the americana collection which is the great basis but suddenly stofford filled the wings and when they were out of space they had to go ahead. gradually the smithsonian rebuild its library, gradually the museum developed and guess what, they developed specialties and guess what, some of the same specialities are being developed at the library of congress and eventually but not to this great extent at the national archives. so the smithsonian had a great -- the smithsonian had an expansionist secretary in the 1860's and he expanded the

smithsonian and especially in music and folklore the library of congress had a center already started so various -- there has been in the past some overlap in the folklore music, some of the performing areas of the smithsonian has gotten into. however, in terms of sharing the book resources, the smithsonian and the library of congress have always been partners, and they've also had special access because of the acquisition of the smithsonian deposit to the library of congress. and today we were talking about partnerships earlier. the smithsonian libraries are a partner of but only the library of congress, but the center for the book, which is a partnership program that includes over 85 organizations as well as 50 state centers. the book by is themselves or a

partner at the smithsonian libraries which has turned out to be a major partner and created their own society called the spencer baird society to raise money and support the smithsonian libraries. and we've actually as partners do have done some sharing to read one of my responsibilities is to be the program director of the national book festival which was created in laura bischoff's health and a blessing and a matter of fact her initiation in 2001. we have had wonderful writers come over 70 to 80 to have brought a program from last year's national book festival which had over 100,000 visitors. we have tried out a number of wonderful speakers. space byrd has leaders spoken for the society at the smithsonian and jim and kate lehrer spoke and they will be speaking for the garrard society. it's one of the examples of ways

that we today partner with the smithsonian. estimate is there any truth to the rumor of the institution and his wife? >> i might as well let you know my wife is nancy is the director of library of the smithsonian and we enjoy being -- >> it also settles the relationship, doesn't it? >> we have the center for the book for the website and the bear the society information which is going to start to be available i think tomorrow. >> and i also discovered looking at your web site today that there actually is marketing information on the encyclopedia. we put a link up there. as to get somebody wants to buy the encyclopedia go to your website or our website. estimate exactly.

that's bookguys.com. >> we are just getting access to you for the opportunity for you to take advantage. >> the press release is great. >> speaking of the whole cooperative effort here between the book by is it's time for the quiz brought to you by the center for the book and of the library of congress. book gives us wings and you can follow whatever they are doing around the country and they're always doing a lot of the website of the library of congress, loc.gov/loc/lfc/book. prizes are rather extensive. the patience and fortitude and this flood of letters by a neck. the collected books the volume is 2002 and pat and ellen and book collecting 2000, priced by a bibliography checklist and illustrated books 1880 to 1970 and the ever popular and always

accurate book guys watch. this is for c-span only because the retial folks will be with you. they will not hear this at all so just for the c-span's folks, this question, two of the former librarians of conagra's have something in common. they both cover the same battle albeit for different newspapers. but battled in the future librarians of converse cover and who were they? >> a great question. >> john doesn't know. it will either they know it or look like john. >> if you would like to enter the contest just simply send your letter, your answer rather to the question and i will repeat it in just a moment to bookguys.com or you can call toll-free at 1-800-828-book with your answer. all correct answers go in the hat. we draw one and the winner gets

their choice of the prices mentioned before. once again to of the former librarians of congress have something in common they covered the same battle albeit for different newspapers. what battle to the future librarians of conagra's cover and who were they? >> as soon as we are on the air come on, tell us where they are. >> for the newspaper there is a key phrase no. >> you mentioned earlier that the expanding the cultural impact of both the smithsonian library of congress and let's talk a bit about something a lot of people may not realize was on the library of congress and that it house is books and print material and also it hosts other instruments for the coolidge quartet. who was elizabeth coolidge and held it all of this happen for the library? >> this again herbert putnam, the dillinger wonder who had a

great ambition in the previous century. putnam felt because music was one of the fields that came to us to the copyright. go down today and look at the sheet music that's copyrighted that's going to be a major custodial division so that when the music is a custodial division and the print and photographs and all these different formats and we library ins call them special formats are the nonbook materials that shows a certain prejudice in the field i think but nonetheless, putnam had an opportunity with elizabeth coolidge and was actually sponsoring the concert to the national gallery of art and it was in the 1920's and put maneuver and what would be interested in sponsoring such concerns about the library of congress is to be the beginning of an outreach program into

astrology and for the music collections to highlight what we've got. many people don't realize the number of fields in which the library of congress collections excelled. eventually he and his chief from the division persuaded mrs. coolidge to give an endowment in 1925 to establish the library of congress trust on the board that happened just about the same time she provided at a matter of fact a vehicle providing money for the coolidge auditorium and which they would play the chamber music concerts draw on the library collections and to be the residence and was a wonderful lady that she looked beyond the auditorium and provided money for acquiring manuscripts and that is how the

library of congress started acquiring manuscripts of the masters from all over the world then low and behold the idea came up to start commissioning a new works of music. mrs. gertrude came along in 1936 to provide a pavilion at maxtor for the housing of the instruments that she gave when the condition they would be played once a year by musicians in the coolidge suddenly you have a library, something called a library with congressional origins of and into high culture and i mentioned at the same time we were going into the middle culture with the full quiet center and in each of these cases you've got the culture of reach which today which has carried largely, not largely but in part by the center for the book the american folklife center, library of the blind and physically handicapped many other parts of the library.

estimate how do people get permission to use -- do they have to apply? >> i don't know that story. that would be something -- >> obviously you can't come in off the street on the stradivari and any more than you can come and cross -- >> speaking on the top of my head it's an entire quartet that comes and please those instruments. but it's not -- there are certain ways you just can't come off the street and look at movies for the heck of it. >> like on one circumstance i had a first of nations and mark was very nice and showed me the copy that was in the room at the library of congress and so i think it had access to make comparisons and i don't know if that is my relationship for it but just the fault of being able to call the library and say i

have a quartet could we sign an application to play would that be within the realm of the possibility? >> another question put that on the quiz. that is 12 dhaka was to the website by phone or e-mail, it's 82665 or e-mail us from our website bookguys.com with questions. through the affiliation which has over 60 million books for sale they are a cornerstone of the business on the net. they have opened a part of their web site called treasure from your attic and nice enough to let us know some of the folks have questions about the books that they have and we are going right now to north carolina and we are going to talk about larry who has a treasure from his attic and welcome to the

program, >> it's my pleasure to be here. >> i have actually two books and a third item. i have the sun also rises by ernest hemingway and the 1927 -- 1927? >> yes, and i wonder whether or not it might be worth keeping as a matter of fact. >> you're a year off. if it was 1926, then you would have something. do you have the book in front of you? >> yes i do. >> open the book to the title page and turn it to the first of the title page. >> its copyright 1926 but printed in -- >> how do you know that this is a published 1926 or 27 on the back? >> under the name it says 1927 but on the following page it says copyright -- >> you guys are wrong. the letter a didn't come until 2930. prior to that the first editions were only identified by the seal

on the title page. the first edition is 1926. turn to page 181. go down to the 26 decline. i'm not kidding. >> this has to be a very common book. it's like f. scott fitzgerald. >> for those of you not sure what we are doing we are finding a point in this book, the big one. >> line 26. >> see the word stop? how many p's are in the worst of? >> two of them. >> really? stopp? that is a first edition. when the word stop business spelled that is a point on the word first. hold on to the book. >> the point is when it's misspelled? this one is not, he says.

>> two p's, i'm sorry. >> three p's. i'm sorry. unfortunately that is an early reprint and only a reading copy. >> what about the second one, larry? >> the second is called one will buy wendell willkie, 1943, limited edition called by any chance? >> look on the title page. does it say published by george m.a.c. limited edition called? >> simon and schuster 1943. >> and is it the green binding? >> it looks black but the title on the binder is in green and it's signed by wendell willkie. ischemic is it signed as a limited edition or just across the title page? >> its assigned to an individual

>> who is the individual? >> henry stern. >> it's your only hope, larry. we are rooting for you. >> he has some kind of cache and recognition historic celebrity. >> you know who he is? >> he was in charge of social security in the state of new york. >> there is the name recognition that's not enough relief to make it into a valuable but. if it was inscribed to let's say fdr who was involved in the new york state or something like that we would have something, but one world was a very popular book at the time, the limited editions came out and was chosen by george macy and signed copies at one point that for collectible but unfortunately it

is one of those books that didn't last a test of time as a true collectible from a signature value is about $15. the real value of the book would have been if it was inscribed to somebody that made a significance. so i don't think we can to this gentleman at that level. >> ten years ago i would have published 150 to 200. but because of the prolific nature to bring out books which we used to think were scarce, which are now becoming more and more accessible because more copies are becoming available and the marketplace is interested as a group in volume of these there are many copies available, which used to be not the norm. so the supply and demand comes into play but even though you might say they were $50 a the same copies available on the net at 20, $25 they are not selling i really can't give this gentleman and misleading hold

>> okay, john. >> it's about 4 inches roughly. >> the little library which is the bibliophile librarians tongue twister, see that five times fast, it was originated by who? >> i don't know. >> book-of-the-month club, come on. schenectady roosevelt. >> i'm not getting the answer. he was the originator of the book-of-the-month club. >> carry somebody. >> he will get it. prior to that he came up with the idea of creating the little library. individual small books about 213. do you know how they were originally marketed? belittle whether library.

how were they originally distributed? in boxes of whitman's samplers. prior to world war i, you would body the little library when he bought a chocolate. at one point and i don't know the figure, but over 10 million of the books were distributed in boxes of chocolate. the first war ended this marketing strategy. the little libraries are so popular on a certain individual additions have a little more value than others. usually they come in a variety of different displays. you can get them 32, 50 volumes an individual or sometimes they come with boxes that are very nice little wooden boxes. >> that's what i have. >> is it blue or brown? >> it's so old it's difficult to tell. it's not blue but it's black. >> they also came in black. i would preston -- this is a

bookseller wannabe price. if they were in pristine condition and the box was really good i would price them about 150 to $200. some people will pay up to 300, 350 for the letter additions and in perfect boxes but there is a collectability. >> these are leather. >> to the small like chocolate? >> the small very muskie. >> chocolate gets that way, too. [laughter] things a lot for calling us. that is larry, the treasures in the attic collar and we will have another one in just a moment after we turn the microphone over briefly to mick whose part of the weekly the book guys program, i've got website on my mind, he has a commentary what he's thinking about and doing in the world of books if he's not publishing which he's getting to be like joyce carol oates he's doing it once a year. we are going to turn to him now and what is your topic?

>> very briefly how pleased i am to be on the program on the many hats john wires of the library of congress we haven't touched that thorough on the center for the book that john has been so prominent not only establishing the library of congress but through the united states and i've been traveling put it over the last couple of years going to hawaii or illinois or pennsylvania or miami and even my home state of massachusetts and every time i go to do one of these programs like the johnny appleseed of the sentence for the book. john has been there ahead of me and set up these marvelous institutions in the states and its remarkable when you've done to promote the book culture not only here in the nation's capital but throughout the united states and i am pleased and honored to be put to work with you and this is by the way for myself john and i became acquainted with one another just ten years ago right after my first book came out and john invited me down here to give a

talk at the library of commerce and here we are ten years later tomorrow night. so really a tip of your great efforts. >> let's talk about the one leading promotion around the country. what is that, john? >> it's something the start on the center of the book dead right now it is the hottest of the reading promotion ideas. it started in 1998 in seattle with the project from the washington state center for the book which is the seattle public library. it was called at all of seattle read the same book. and the idea was to get as many people reading in this case. it was the lesson of docking. this started with help from the "reader's digest" foundation and all these projects started this way. the idea was of only would they read the book that they would come together to discuss it with the notion that the discussion and sharing of ideas about the book is an important way to not

only talk about it but to learn about it and each other and the ideas in the book and it's caught on and it's just gone now to many states it's gone to states and cities. many people think of this city reading. chicago has done it. major cities have done it. major states have done it. and on the web site for the center for the book, which is www.loc.gov/cfb, flashed on the screen -- [laughter] we have a listing and now there are projects since 1998 that have been formed in every state. several countries as well. the american library association has been part of it. and last month the national endowment for the arts tried to respond to the survey that they did showing that fewer and fewer americans are reading literature has taken over one of its

remedies in sponsoring a major series of one book projects which they call the big read, but the notion is the same it's spreading like wildfire and it's not unlike the kind of activities that ( for example with certain books by her spreading the word and making them feel a lot of book clubs choose to pick the books that oprah has recommended. i know what you're thinking. but this is a pendulum or two ago. >> it sounds like a program if we aren't careful could shatter into a million little pieces. >> sorry about that. >> i don't know if they have such a program in british columbia. we have got clark where he is submitting some 17th century books and he, like the previous caller is who brought the treasures from the attic to look at. clark, welcome to the program. >> what is the weather like in british columbia right now? >> it is bright and sunny.

how many degrees? we have a plus. 14 or so. [laughter] >> what you have for us? >> i will just do one at a time. the first one is a complete history of animals and minerals by robert lovell and it's an oxford press, and it was printed by joshua got wind in 1661. >> is it one or two volumes? >> it's just one. >> does it indicate if it is a two volumes in one or volume one of two? does it indicate a single volume? >> it's just a single volume. estimate does it say volume one or two? >> nope. >> look at the end of it and does it say at the end for me or

indicate that it's complete in the one volume? >> i think it is just the one volume. that is the end of it, the end of the book. >> it is printed in the one and the two-volume edition. one more check. can you look in the middle of the book are the numbers consecutive, in other words to the start over at one? roughly in the middle of the book. he has learned well. >> page 318-3319. >> and what happens? >> does it start and stop with one again by any chance? sometimes you get to volumes bound into one in the volume. well we are running out of time, clarke said it's not that big an issue because regardless the value of the book is about the same. the most important question comes up, what is the condition like? >> the finding has kind of been dilapidated. [inaudible] [laughter] >> kind of been. in other words, you would say that it's not in the best of

shape? >> as far as the outside but as far as the pages it's fine. >> extra really it needs work? okay the book is worth retail if it was a very good condition probably between 1,000 to $1,500 for an average of three good. i'm not saying it was a specially made through the book. so based on the condition of the book as you've described it, it would have to be reduced to reflect the damage to the binding. without seeing it physically i am just going to off the cuff say half the price of what it would be if it was unclean conditions of 500 to $750. not trying to speed he left because we are running out of time to read what is your second book? >> the second is the doctrine of faith by john rogers, and it was published in the london press in

1629. dr. rogers? >> the size of the book, very small like three by five. so it is 12. okay, we are running out of time. its most probably a very inexpensive book. the only value that i would subscribe to it would be the age and then i would probably only price at a couple hundred dollars maybe two or three. okay, clark thanks for calling us. the book we've been focusing on is the encyclopedia of the library of congress for the congress, the nation and the world. it's indeed a fascinating read of history, personality, politics and literature all in one place edited by john cool and thank you very much for your work.

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