the opportunity to escape but she said i will rest get all. if i get caught if they send me down to mississippi it could be horrible. i have got to go legendary publ hustler magazine and columbia >> host: how does the partnership come together and how did you collaborate? >> i wanted to find out if history with our founding fathers and other presidents have the same type of sex scandals they have today

with the political landscape. once i decided i wanted to do the book i contacted my friend david who is a professor at columbia and in new a lot about the subject matter and was very bright and as a co-author he has been fantastic to work with but for us to make it so unusual no other book isin ever been written like this. as the publisher of history books tend to be conservative they are not interested so what we have done has have a great deal of research who to follow

the lives of those and first lady is buds to see the relationship goods also a surprising number of cases. >> host: this is then interactive part of the day. >> guest: founding fathers through both clinton putting in the monica lewinsky scale

into the context but we like to think just recently the political party started to throw the dirt had each other that is not true. founding fathers are doing that early. >> host: to be included in the book it had to have some effect. >> fabs right. we were not just trying to dig up dirt and tar the president in the first lady but show the things that people consider personal were reported tata tata -- important and we show how add an impact on policy. >> host: i want to jump to the conclusion because you have a political message for

america society the loosely translates as grow up. what are you trying to say to americans the way they view the sex scandals of the politicians? >> guest: other than the desire for t survival, obviously as a huge effect on our lives and use it to communicate. what i would like to do if i could make a recommendation to the whole nation is but i t am a much different reaction and i may need too. >> politicians? why do things a day through our luncheons? >> it is true. they have more centuries to learn how to deal with it but i think careers are

destroyed over sex i don't think that should always have been. but for that to be good or bad weather and i you have the active libido. and i think if we fight twoight wars and budget we can do whatever we want but a certain amount of discretionto. >> host: in the last 20 years is that there to say there has been some level of more acceptance? if you look at the recent scandal and correct me if i am wrong british is those that are not just personal virus but some of their wrongdoing that takes people

out of office? >> politicians can survive. david vitter who frequented the d.c. madam won his last election in a landslide victory. it is possible right now because americans have gotten used to sex scandals involving politicians andlvin ultimately that is a good thing to enable us to stop talking and obsessing andand start focusing on what matters 51 what makes it so bad is not just washington d.c. and new orleans but but to carry him and it just makes it even a worse schematic and the line is already busy ... hear you're

favorite story. >> the favorite to chapterd fr have. it was complicated. he was an average of next to her and they had her living the white house did not know any of this but i don't know if they turn have to be essential because see a come fad greatest ofro history it his it is the imports and fees that has run well ignored. >> host: i will take a caller then hear you're

favorite story. alabama at you are on to discuss "one nation under se" and. >> caller. thank you for your work. r buddies, online. >> you say online pornography?wa we have a website but i never go on it to the plan it was never a level for the technology it is quite pervasive. >> is that good or bad for society? >> it is good because free speech you don't draw the line. i don't think the neighbor

in children and we cannot lament the absence i think parents half tout police but we can restrict. >> host: from both franklin and -- benjamin franklin and bill clinton and beyond and america's reaction. let's hear from providence rhode island. >> how has the book better received so far and very pleased with the reception? finreg we have had great reviews. everyone who has read it has something positive to say. not the day don't resent they're telling the stories about the heroes of america

but the important thing neither of us tried to tear down the heroes i but maybe the live is more complicated than rethought. >> and also your co-author very supportive. >> i teach at columbia we have long history of being supportive of opportunities it gave a differentpe perspective but. >> host: talking about how much comes togetherap did your relationship precedeio the book? >> we knew each other before a working on the book i think we became good

friends. >> host: what was it like when the phone call came? >> i was in my office then i get a phone call from larry flint saying i have the business proposition. that was it. when can you come to los angeles? by a flat not knowing whatd he had been mind when he said the collaboration i to do it.e >> host: why was your eye on him? >> i had become aware of programs that he produced for the history. >> was so is bringing trees so i knew he was comfortable with the sensitive matter to put into historical figures. i felt he was the right% to do the book with. >> host: your favorite chapter or storey? >> i love the whole book.

benjamin franklin, i was fascinating with woodrowfr wilson mainly because of him having no the stroke and the wife hid it from the press and the congress over three months i felt wasas fascinating but those that really love to me more was a warren harding baker says i could not e believe somebody who was such a defense, he was not bright at all and a elected to the white house. talk about the tax cut he said i do not understand. don't talk to me about that. the only thing he was

interested in was how many women he could bed at night in the white house. they say that is a difference between harding and will send at least will send white to goxe into the four houses of columbus, wil ohio and there's a lot of truth about that. another thing nothing to do with sex but when picked to run for the senate of picnic north of columbus to political operatives thought he would make a marvell was senator. when he was elected, one of the first things you do change the national emblem from the eagle to the check and. >> host: end from arafat-- more phone calls for our authors.

>> caller: i just want to say that this is an attempt buyan mr. flint to normalize deviance of bill clinton. that had nothing to do with sex but the chief law-enforcement engaging and perjury and obstruction of justice. evidence of this that clinton was the first president to lose his law license because of his perjury and obstruction of justice. this is a way of larry flint to normalise himself. >> i don't think that is accurate. we were telling the important story and the case of bill clinton in which case this national tryout and saga over sex captivated

the public mind and distracted us from serious threats to america one of which was not tied up. of the 9/11 commission recordrosto led commissioners say the monica lewinsky scandal distracted the administration and kept us from doing what we should have been doing to protect the american public. p >> guest: you will never convinceub everyone about bill clinton and they will have pros and cons why he was a great president or why he was a tv and. people will argue that for centuries to come. >> were there any political any all sexual escapades left out because they cannot be substantiated? >> hall there were some imports and tapes, especially audio tapes involving high-ranking

politicians that we wanted to use but we couldn't because you have to have the information from both parties. we definitely would have been sued. >> guest: there always has been rumors about presidents and first ladies and in many places we go back to disprove the gossip so the focus was the substantiatedntia stories we were not just going to grant a scandal. for example, j. edgar hoover bring address being there transvestite that was manufactured by one of his enemy is and promoted ever

since. the problem with the story or the scandal is it distracted from the true scandal which is used sex w files on every congressmen at senator and president and supreme court justice to control the federal government over the 47 years he was fbi director he undermined a the constitution. that is the true scandal which i still don't think we have come to terms with. >> host: two days of los angeles festival of the book we are here featuring larry flint and david eisenbach and "one nation under se." >> calling from f the other end of ameritech, i was executive producer on the town that you appeared in end, our the rental with the early american end sex

scandals with at alexander hamilton? >> absolutely. ride along with tougher sen fathering children with his slave girl sally jaime is.rls those for the first two scandals in the beginning with the founding fathers. >> host: can you tell usbe more? >> guest: with alexander hamilton jefferson and the opponents discovered hamilton had a unique financial arrangement with a manns named james brent -- james reynolds who he agreed to sleep with his wife and the democraticre republicans found out than tried to derail his plan to t create the national bank by exposing the sex scandal. but opening that discussion boomeranged because the federalist drug out the

story of sally having this that jefferson was fathering his own slate children. some of the founders somehi solace they did not have to the follow the policies. >> that is where you say if we were not so focusedf on this it spends time so we have important issues but it people do like to talk about that. >> the late 18th and earlye 19th century those in theon press was fair game in the 20th century with the professional journalism they see themselves as part ofdi the establishment to protect the elite. all the discussion was well known and washington circles

have their affairs of does not make it into the press and we don't have the d scandals to protect from a ahead. >> rightabout theab sea change and the '70s? you say it is another era where politicians have changed once again. >> they may be more elaborate but after the war, the press not that theyth didn't do anything but a protective him. we're not that way anymore. that changed a lot of the political landscape. >> guest: and 1970's you have the sexual revolution

that made people more comfortable with thexual discussion and the rise ofcomf feminism in kennedy's day which would have been a pass after the '70s, a sexual harassment lawsuit so we have a huge change but whatkept was so hard to keep quiet was part oft a national dialogue. >> host: how did their rise of the conservative movement change? >> guest: coming off the sexual liberation now introduces gay-rights, abortion, a social sexual issues into the political discussion and. j. kennedy never had to talk her out rights but not everybody has to prepare the

republicans who were leading the charge it vulnerable because you are against him and make sure your loan is on the up and up. >> host: call your on the air. >> caller: i would like to say i have been a big fan of o larry flint for a long timee and thank you for everythingor you have written.very iowa so excited about your book. my question is i have a 14 year-old son who was pretty mature for his age and if you thought the book would be appropriate but he is the avid historian am i chart and listening to the stories i believe it is a perfect but for a budding historian. >> guest: as far as the

book goes, i think it is probably proper for a 15 year-old. i would like to add to that typical of a lot of teenagers been too ready not that they are supposed toppos read the magazine but that is our happens. >> host: this is our last call from hollywood florida. >> caller: two quick comments i want to comment plansto offered $1 million to flesh out some republicans and a lot of information came forward on one congressmen livingston and the wife says she would try to get back together with hed r husband and appreciated if he did not publish the material. and with the clinton lewinsky thing, it is not

perjury because it was a material to paula jones it was a consensual affair so how is that to influence criminal casesw? you cannot have that i can stir behavior was much more inappropriate than bills clinton. >> guest: obviously they felt very much about clinton the same way they do about obama. they wanted to get rid of him and willing to do that anyway that they could. i think from the time thefrom effort was started to prosecute clinton, they were totally out of control. as i said earlier, i think people will be discussing this for decades to come the pros and cons of how bill clinton was treated. >> host: this is widely

available online bookselleres a or in the store why you talkd about this? >> as a professor one of my main goals is to introduce history to new audiences. if it takes something a little salacious or a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down it is great. it is a great primer because you will learn more than just about the sex lives with economic policy and formulations throughout american history to 71 more story because we are celebrating the 150th anniversary of the civil war. >> that is james buchanan the first day president with the 32 year-old love affair with the slave owner from

alabama who indoctrinate says the young james buchanan with the romantic nation's day snowshoer -- ns notion of the slave owners been good tos bring seven to the presidency and does nothing as the president start to secede and encourage them and abraham lincoln is left with a huge mess 1861 when he takes over the america house to go through civil war and smacked. >> host: will they make their way to the pages of puzzler? >> yes. we're doing an excerpt.m the reception is great the reviews have been good but preliminary sales are a strong indication as well. >> host: your on your way to a panel to hear so we have to wrap up. thank you for being with us

today. >> i see him as the result first as pre-adulthood. one decade or more devoted to work and self exploration and women spend years in pre-adulthood but here is the difference. women have the advantage miserable as that makes them to know about biological women. large majority of women and men say they want children that the surveys consistently say that. but women's fertility begins

to prime by the age of 30 that means they may not play or work without serious distraction for very long even those who were unsure if they have children know this decision alone puts boundaries on their pre-adulthood but men don't have the pressing limits. they can take their time and they do. the second force in shaping the child man is the uncensored media environment. in the past they never paid much attention to television and magazines in the media had trouble reaching the demographic by the mid-90s they found each other and fell in love. we got cable news network and "maxim" magazine and hollywood movie is was a formula for attracting young males and car crashes and and bears same bodily fluids.

of the most successful channels is called spike coming on in 2003 with three runs a "star trek" and the original show called bay behind in which contestants detect the difference is an almost two pitchers of nearly naked women i tried to find an image by would have been kicked out. now the third reason for that child man is female dependents. of the young man reaches the age any other period history he would define himself as the husband and father with a clear and important social role but today provider husband is optional with reproductive technology if women choose t