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the clerk: cloture motion. we, the undersigned senators in accordance with the provisions of rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate, hereby move to bring to a close the debate on the motion to proceed to s. 10 1038, a bill to extend expiring provisions of the u.s.a. patriot improvement and reauthorization act of 2005 and so forth and for other purposes. signed by 18 senators. the presiding officer: by unanimous consent, the mandatory quorum call has been waived. the question is: is it the sense of the senate that debate on the motion to proceed to s. 1038, a bill to extend the expiring provisions of the u.s.a. patriot improvement and reauthorization act of 2005, and the intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act of 2004, until june 1, 2015, and for other purposes, shall be brought to a close? the yeas and nays are mandatory under the rule. the clerk will call the roll. vote:
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the presiding officer: are there any senators in the chamber wishing to vote or to change thinks or her vote? -- or to change his or her vote? seeing none, on this vote the yeas are 74. the nays are 8. three-fifths of the senators duly chosen and sworn having voted in the affirmative, the motion is agreed to.
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a senator: mr. president, i ask for unanimous consent to dispense with the quorum call. the presiding officer: without objection. a senator: thank you, very much. mr. president, i come to the floor for the second time because i'm highly concerned. for the last 31 years, i've been running a manufacturing business
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in oshkosh, wisconsin. all that time i've been a very careful observer of what's been happening here in washington. i've been watching how broken and unworkable our government has become. i've been here now for 4 1/2 months. nothing i have seen has changed my mind. mr. johnson: our political process here in washington is broken. so here's my specific concern. there seems to be a growing assumption here in this town that eventually, probably at the very last minute, some kind of grand bargain is going to be struck that will actually increase the debt ceiling limit. now, that would be great. it would be absolutely great if that would happen, if the administration would actually get serious and work with republicans to actually address
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the very serious fiscal issues that face this nation. and i'm not so sure we can count on that. the fact is, the democratically-controlled senate has not passed a budget for 754 days. i don't believe we need any further evidence that our budget process in this chairman interbroken. so in my mind, not raising the debt ceiling is a very real possibility. and i'm afraid that this administration is totally ignoring that possibility, and it appears that it absolutely has no plan b, it has no contingency plan. like i mentioned, i've been running a business for the last 31 years. when you run a business, things often don't go according to pl
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plan. every day millions of american businessmen and businesswomen try and anticipate the problems on the horizon. they develop contingency plans in case those problems arise. that's what responsible leaders do. government should be no different. but instead of being responsib responsible, this administration seems to be making a concerted effort to scare the american public and scare the markets in a very transparent attempt to force republicans in congress to increase the debt ceiling without enacting the structural budget and spending reforms that we need to make to prevent this nation from going bript.
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going -- going bankrupt. instead of scaring the markets, the administration should be seeking to calm the markets by developing a contingency plan just in case the debt ceiling is not increased in time. that would be the prudent thing to do. that would be the responsible thing to do. so today, i am calling on president obama to begin planning ahead so that failure to raise the debt ceiling does not immediately turn into a totally unnecessary crisis. mr. president, i yield the floor. mr. johnson: i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll.
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mr. manchin: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from west virginia is recognized. mr. margin: i ask consent to dispense with the -- mr. manchin: i ask consent to dispense with the quorum call. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. manchin: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that the senate now proceed to the consideration of senate resolution 195, which was submitted earlier today. the presiding officer: the clerk will report.
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the clerk: senate resolution 195, commemorating the 150th anniversary of the founding of the massachusetts institute of technology in cambridge, massachusetts. the presiding officer: without objection, the senate will proceed to the measure. mr. manchin: i ask unanimous consent that the resolution be agreed to, the preamble be agreed to, and the the motion to reconsider be laid on the table. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. manchin: i understand that there are three measures at the desk, mr. president. i ask for their first reading en bloc. the presiding officer: the clerk will read the titles of the measures for the first time. the clerk: a bill to modify the forch suferl act of 1978 and suspicious activities reports to prevent unreasonable searches and for others purposes. senate joint resolution 13 declaring that a state of war exists between the government of libya and the government and the
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people of the united states and making provisions to prosecute the same. senate joint resolution 14, declaring that the president has exceeded his authority under the war powers resolution as it pertains to the ongoing military engagement in libya. mr. manchin: i ask for its second reading and object to my own request, all en bloc. the presiding officer: objection is heard. the measures will be read for the second time on the next legislative day. mr. manchin: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that the president of the senate be authorized-to-a point a committee on the part of the senate to join with a like committee on part of the house of representatives to escort his excellency binyamin netanyahu, prime minister of israel, into the house chamber for the joirchts meeting at 11:00 a.m. on tuesday, may 24, 2011. officer without objection. man main ask unanimous consent that when the senate completes its business today it adjourn until 10:00 a.m. on tuesday, may
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24. that following the prayer and pledge, the journal of proceedings be approved to date, the morning hour be deemed expired, the time two the two leaders be reserved for thea their use later in the day, a this afollowing any leader remarks #-rbgs the senate resum consideration of the motion to proceed to senate 1038, the patriot act extension poach cloture and that any time tonight count on the postcloture to pros to s. 1038. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. manchin: thrlg be a joint meeting of congress tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. with the prime minister of israel, binyamin netanyahu. senators should join in the senate chamber at 10:30 to proceed to the house of representatives at 10:40 a.m. we anticipate additional debate in adoption of the motion to proceed to senate 1038, the patriot act extension during tuesday's session. mr. president, if there is no further business to come before the senate, i ask that it adjourn under the previous order.
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cahal members of the european parliament that earlier this month to debate europe's border policy and how to deal with the flood of immigrants from north africa. an estimated 26,000 immigrants from to nisha alone have reportedly arrived in italy, and the countries of the european union are considering tougher
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border control laws. the european union currently allows citizens to travel freely between its 25 member countries. >> let us now move on to the next item on the agenda. this is the commission statement flow of asylum and impact and the agreement. i would like to welcome the representing council and president barrasso as the commissioner representing the european commission. first i would like to give the floor to mrs. garrey, the president in office of the council. the floor is yours, madame. >> mr. president, president,
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commissioner and honorable members, the development in the southern neighborhood and issuing of forward are posing a serious challenge for the european union. they underscore the importance of looking at the whole issue of how we manage migration and refugee flows. therefore the european council in march has called upon the commission before the jr european council plan for the default in this capacity to manage migration and refugee flow. the conclusions on the 11th and the 12, 2011, and the communications issued by the commission brought important steps in this direction. the presidency has convened an extraordinary meeting on the of justice and foreign affairs for this thursday, may 12th in order
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to discuss the issue of the management of migration and refugee force. this discussion would have to prepare the meeting of the european council on the 21st of june which will address the same issues. we cannot of course stand idly in the face of defense on the other side of the mediterranean. the e.u. and member states are ready to assist the latest developments in north africa and those member states concerned. over the past few months the e.u. and the member states have made approximately 96 million humanitarian aid and we are committed to continue to provide service as the situation requires. they've invited all member states to continue their support
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for the international organization of migration and all relevant actors the effort of which are parliament and have been displaced as a consequence of protected of violence in libya. those member states more directly affected by these developments are receiving contributions of funding, equipment and technical expertise. for example, the commission earlier ask approximately 25 million year rose from the emergency funds could be made available for member states such as italy. furthermore, european support in the process of becoming fully operational is also available to help. some member states including hungary have said they are ready to locate refugees in order to alleviate pressure which is
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there. apart from the specific measure to this particular situation the council remains fully committed to the development on the european asylum system. work is underway in the parliament in order to be achieved despite the technical difficulty and the political sense of the nature of this subject. in general, the management of the flow in the iain and the individual member states require effective management of borders. as far as the management of the external borders are sicker concerned there's an important role to play in a number of ways including the monitoring of the external border and providing operational support. in light of the latest developments in north africa the joint operation was launched in february, 2011 fulfilling the request from the ottilie in government. this is aimed at preventing
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illegal border crossings to the mainland. it's also supporting the authorities by the briefing and screening. the council also welcomes the commission decision to mobilize the funds needed by the text to continue its joint operations. we urged member states to provide for the human and technical forces as required in a report of the operations. the new proposal concerning the context is in the house and we have been negotiating it on the support of parliament for being able to put an end to the legislative proposal and have the renegotiation in the recent my tree pressure from north
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africa the strengthening has become a high traer ready for the council and i would like to express my thanks for the operations and the first agreement can be achieved by june 2011 by the european council of march. development in relationship to the tunisian migrants have also raised questions about the control of internal borders. this touches on the issue of the freedom of movement and the european movement. the council fully agrees that the view had by almost everyone here that the movements in the area is on the major achievement those member states that asked for the system has also underlined that they were
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proposing the intention to preserve the free movement of our citizens which is one of the cornerstones of the union. in proving the the security and government of the area in a time of increased pressure. that said, in the light of the increased pressure of the external borders and the cause for the member states to strengthen the system the council needs to look into how we can guarantee the principal of the movement and the same time citizens need the maintenance of a high level of internal security. the presidency plans to initiate discussions on the various ideas which have been put forward by the commission in its communication all migration on the force. the commission suggestions for the mechanism concerning the coordinated and that every as
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last resort and respecting the community methods. they also have a chance how to continue the work of the revision of the negotiation mechanism to ensure more uniform implementation of the key. of course our immediate parity is to the german descent in the southern mediterranean. we also have to grow lessons for the future. in short we need to put in place a strategy for longer term. i have set out with have created such a strategy, but i look forward to discussions which can lead to a comprehensive migration fully in line with our approach to migration. along these lines, the prime minister has recently stated we should clearly differentiate
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between economic and political refugees. here up must issue to be true to herself and europe must have similar to the marshall plan the countries of north africa to create the causes for migration. the would require the agreement on ourselves but also the consultations with the neighbors and partnership with north africa and we need to take into account a wide range of factors such as international protection, migration, mobility and security and to conclude from the white perspective on a more southern neighbors share the assistance by all available means in the transition to open the democratic prosperous societies. this is the best way of addressing the push factors driving the events.
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mr. president, thank you very much for your attention. >> thank you, madame president of the council of the office. [applause] >> on behalf of the commission, mr. president, the floor is yours. -- before, mr. president. distinguished members of parliament. we are here to debate migration cross border movement of european citizens. but let me start by reminding all of us that yesterday was the 61st anniversary of the declaration which laid the foundation of the european union. and from that day people are willing to come together and put aside differences for the confident about borders where citizens can move freely between the countries. ladies and gentlemen, for the regions like the one we are now,
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living on the frontier creates too borders, and this benefits extends far beyond the border regions. so the vast majority of european citizens is the embodiment of the european project terrie. the most tangible result in by pleased to say most europeans use their right making a round 1.35 billion journeys as tourists and the european area. that will be completely impossible without the european union. it was not the case -- i remember when my country to from portugal to spain we have to overcome so many said it is indeed great progress of civilization of the countries are able to put borders down and
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let freely the citizens move. [applause] moreover, for the economy as well free movement is central to the success of the mark and the continued efforts to boost growth. to put it plainly, ladies and gentlemen, the free movement is to europe with the foundations are to buildings. remove it and the structure is undermined. the commission presented a communication on the approach to migration to the proposal honoring a government systems gereed the proposal i want to praise the commissioner for the great intelligence and sensitivity to find the right approach to such a complex method. let me concentrate on the governments because i believe it is the most important concern here in the parliament.
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of course there are many other proposals like the enforcement, like the common european system but i hope we've other occasions to build deeper into the discussion. over the last year the commission to offer proposals to preserve and strengthen the mechanisms for is now the central ki of the common project and already last year so well before the recent development the commission has identified had problems in the government. we will now update and complete the proposals and do all we can to come to the results to read the current migration situation in the resulting pressures have some weaknesses and the reactions of member states in the reaction to it in the wake of these exceptional circumstances we urgently need to move to force the government
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of the borders and we need a better correlation between the commission and member states and while recent events have provided the urgency to the table the commission takes the opportunity for the communication to address longstanding inconsistencies and unresolved issues that provide the scope for the member states to act not necessarily with the european union perspective. it's time to stop this. the commission has already taken measures to deal with the situation. in addition the package put forward urges a rational reflection taking into account the short term needs of strengthening the borders as well as the approach to migration. this must also be considered in light of the neighborhood policy
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and supported democratization as well as your's own a long-term labor shortages and efforts to boost european competitors. honorable members, it is not a knee-jerk reaction. this is not an improvisation. this is a must become a broad scope of measures that were built on the foundations of a strong and successful european policy, and that we find the best interest of the european union and its citizens now and into the future. at the same time, it gives relief to the member states trying to cope with an unfair share of the migration. when people arrive on the shores of one country is not just because they dream of living in the mountain it is because they're seeking a better life in europe. countries that are more directly exposed to the flows cannot be expected to deal with them alone. the rules on sweden benefit all countries in the european union.
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is the duty of all countries to support the countries in the political pressure at one time or another. this means borders have to be shared equitably. this means also all member states need to take responsibilities seriously. when looking at the sharing of the pressures and all of the contributions made to be taken into account. and this is the very spirit of the european union, the management of the crisis by solidarity and the responsibility. so solidarity and responsibility are the key words in our response to immigration is a challenge. immigration requires a european response. that is why the commission's proposal aims at the steps further in bye governments of the system showing that there can be somewhere in between member states. it's about, and governments not unilateral moves. i emphasize once again this is part of the for all approach as
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well as the move to the common european balance system. honorable members, allow me to make one point crystal clear. this is not about finding ways for member states to border control. i believe that to do so will catastrophically undermine not just over the last 61 years but to sabotage the ability of efforts to build the integrated europe. moreover, member states already have the right to the society option and existing system. these rights have even been exercised in the past states to reach short-term under an exceptional circumstances such as in the wake of terrorist attacks or movement of drugs. these exceptions should remain exceptions. i cannot emphasize strongly enough that reintroducing border control is not a desirable development for your gup near
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there in the current circumstances or the future challenges we will face sooner or later. they should be an absolute last resort. moreover, we all know that the internal controls can be useful, but they are not part of the constructive approach nor do they represent a cost-efficient long-term solution to monitor the movement and cope with immigration pressure. this has always been the case. the fact is that when the arrival of migrants no member state will be ultimately in a better position if they try to deal with them alone. only a member sees the situation together a lasting solution can be found. the proposal we put forward one year ago to strengthen through the evaluation mechanism and the test site coordination of border surveillance will help create a sense of union why the discipline and shared guidance in the system. they will ensure that in the future countries will not feel
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pressured to take decisions alone that affect all signatories. this is not compliant as is, a policy that undermines. it's a chance to strengthen it. a step forward for joint european governments, not a step back. it's to enforce, not to go out. we cannot be blind and the last events have revealed a problem in the government that we have to solve. if we do not reinforce the mechanisms, member states will continue to act alone. they will in fact be encouraged to act alone and be giving arguments to a centerfolds the will to put in pressure in this area. this is why we think the best way to avoid is to enforce the rule of government and qualify some of its efforts. this is not, i will insist not caving in to pressure from any
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part of europe. for our capacity to deal with the situations it will put a more robust government system in place that will equip the decision makers resisted populist pressure in the future. it is not the proposal just to deal with the short-term defense but there can only be a real confidence in long-term solutions if we show it can address the short-term issues as well. it's not about turning back time, it's about getting the government right today for the challenges europe will face tomorrow. it's not about the right of the free movement, it is about slowing the integrity by strengthening the rules. i'm confident this approach of the efforts we are united in our determination to keep up the principles on which our union against the populist temptations we know that it's now fashionable in some quarters to be populace or even to way
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sometimes the flags. this is not what we are going to do. we will resist all these kinds of pressure. but to succeed in these, we need to give citizens the confidence on two things on collecting the shortcomings of the existing system so the effective relief can be brought to the situations of pressure and second, on ensuring on the basis of full respect human rights and humanitarian principles on which our union was founded. people are ready to exercise solidarity if they are confident that the security concerns are addressed decisively and comprehensively. i count on the support of the house and calling on member states to quickly take the necessary decisions. the european comes out of the
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challenge the united and stronger - q for the attention. [applause] on behalf of the political groups, mr. mumford european people's party. >> translator: it's one of the great achievements of the european citizens every day when you're traveling and it is the realization of the european dream without border controls. that is like looking at the last weeks we must make it clear that in this house we must make sure that this principle, this idea behind it will be the change or debate. we will defend this principal in the european parliament.
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25,000 refugees from tunisia have landed and we've been talking about look at sweden the of 25,000 people that have accepted 25,000 people and we see others that have taken even more refugees even more than in the south and europe that nobody has got the idea that because of this jury difficult situation, so i want to make it very clear that it is as we face the challenge we have to carry seriously in europe having the schengen debate which we have to. siggerud like to express the view we want to practice solidarity when we are talking about for a simple this small country is seriously affected. it has no hinterland and therefore we see solidarity expressed. and also, there is the basic principle which is the
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individual responsibility of states. and the commission should look at it if there are courts in europe that actually say that the art of force so that you cannot accept refugees in the first a rival states then you should say to deal with the countries that are not implementing the rule. at least that is a minimum standard for the european union and therefore i would like to see the commission becoming active on the preparation of the council. i would like to bring up three points first on migration. ladies and gentlemen, we must of course look at the demographic development in the long term and immigration, but we have high levels of unemployment, 30% unemployed of the spanish young people and therefore we must be very careful, and second, it has always been expressed and third, i am completing, mr. president,
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i appeal to everyone to ensure the country store now outside of the door of schengen are not forgotten at the background of this debate. they've made an effort. we don't want to lower standards but if they comply with the standards bulgaria and romania should be allowed to join the schengen area. ..
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20,000 crossing the mediterranean to come into europe. that is not a crisis for europe. [applause] if we did do proper burden sharing in europe we would have this problem and you just mentioned this yourself. we got excited about these figures previously what was done on that's go. you talk about article lxxviii article xxiii of the schengen agreement but you didn't mention it. i wonder whether you know about it. 78, three of the shing entreaty which says if you have one or several member states who are confronted with an unexpected pressure of third country nationals coming into this country, then you may take measures and proposal should be tabled by the commission. it should be put to the council after parliament. again i remind you this is article lxxviii of the current treaty which is in force. also bearing in mind that we have the shing and regime of
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2006, when we had the world cup, europe cup. we decided to introduce certain measures to do with border controls. it can happen so there's there is absolutely no reason why the populist approach of the heads of state of two particular countries. they have tried to find a different solution. there is the populist reasons that we should not support them and that is where your communication should not be tabled in this fashion. what actually happened president of the commission? theme prime minister in italy said -- that is a good thing. that means they get access to schengen and he will get a promise from us and they can just head off to france. that is fine by us in the same, you know, prime minister that country mr. berlusconi that meets with the french president and obviously he reacts by saying you can't be right. you can't be serious about this.
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you want to ship them over to us. no you can't do that. that is why we are going to close the borders but now we have a situation where they are saying because of the situation which we ourselves are generated now we reintroduce order controls. what is the commission do? it issues a communication rather than saying sang with with the differences is absolutely the wrong way to go about things. you cannot protect the civic rights of european citizens and cannot suspense in this way the. i would would you expect djou rt that. how can this be? in the european union, one of our greatest achievements amongst the fundamental freedoms is freedom of movement for our citizens. that is one of our major achievements. but we have here a marginal problem. it could perfectly well be handled. but suddenly despite that you have got two heads to heads of government to get together and go against that. you made a good point in your speech, sir. is one of the great achievements of europe and arbitrarily they
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decide to suspend that great achievement. how can that possibly happen? you know for these people to win it will be enough for us to simply not do enough to fight what they are trying to do. i have almost finished, president. i just want to say one more thing. i live on the border, the border border -- so those three countries. if i may turn to you, the migration problem in the mediterranean region, how can it be managed? would have would be vantage for instance by traveling and sharing a passport? is that how we are going to solve the problem? if you could explain that to me i would appreciate it. >> mr. president, let's be very open and blunt about this and what we have seen in the last weeks on this issue is a shame.
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italy issuing temporary -- to refugees of teenage tunisia than france reacting by border shanks as if in fact you had suddenly did not exist any more. and let's be very open about this and say what it is. it was a ping-pong game by two governments, i berlusconi and sarkozy on the backs of refugees where in fact in trouble. that is what was happening. [applause] and gain has been in my opinion disastrous for shing in but also disastrous for the european union and the image of the european union because by reintroducing internal order it contradicts the whole and as a set already in this debate the whole essence of the yen and the basic pretzel and the treaties and mr. barroso has said that.
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i shall not say a marginal problem 27,002 nations is not a marginal problem, but he is right when he is saying that compare for example the 350,000 people from kosovo into kosovo or war, we are clearly not talking about migration tsunami. so we come to the problem. that was the communication of the commission. in my opinion it was not very clear, the communication of the commission. the communication document we read the following sentence and i can maybe give it to you but you know it because it was in your communication. to be used as a last resort and truly critical situations a mechanism may therefore need to be introduced. a mechanism that made me to be introduced allowing for
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coordinated and temporary reintroduction of controls. that is the problem with with the holcombe indication. because if colleagues this means that the commission proposed a possibility to reintroduce border shin x. that is not for seen in the usual -- they will fight it with all means and i hope the whole parliament is fighting such a reintroduction. [applause] on the contrary, mr. barroso this means the commission wants to restrict the current -- national security, public order are the two elements in the actual janet. it means the commission wants to restrict the current proposition that allows member states to reintroduce border controls unilaterally and then you can support, you can have the support of 100%.
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so what i'm asking you to the president of the commission is to rewrite the communication, to rewrite the communication and more specifically the sentence in the communication document which says that a new mechanism shall be introduced for the reintroduction and the only thing up to do is to say that you will strengthen the actual provision. >> thank you mr. president. the next speaker conservatives and reformists. >> president i welcome this opportunity to debate the issues and problems that europe faces. in the area of migration in the shing in system. the debate is long overdue. now is the time to focus on not only providing free movement but also regarding the borders of member states and e. u. itself. rather than pushing for more legislation in the area of
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immigration and migration, we should be making the legislation that we are to have worked better and harder for all the citizens of the union. however current concerns for member states are not reactionary, but instead the inevitable consequence of over 20 years of ever-changing circumstances in europe and around the world. there is no doubt that schengen has been a success but europe is facing challenges which simply did not exist to the current extent when the system was first created. large-scale unemployment, migration from north africa, terrorism, organized crime and people trafficking has provided us with problems far more complex than those envisaged in the policies for free movement of european citizens. it is not an unfair assessment to say the current system is shown to be flawed and ill-equipped for the new circumstances we find ourselves in. we need to create an effective tool that represents the modern needs of europe's member states
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to improve situations row. this needs to become committed by renewed strength in making sure the other agencies of e. u. like front tax are there to support states in securing their e.u. external borders and the problems are not exacerbated by further countries who may join the e.u. and therefore the schengen area that are ill-prepared to face the challenges but also in assuming the burdens that accompany the obvious benefits. this is a problem solver can mitigation and corporation mr. president but europe's immigration and schengen policies urgently require review reflection and sensible reform. >> thank you. >> my dear colleagues, ladies and gentlemen from the commission, the one thing i don't understand here, 27,002 nations coming to europe and we are talking about insecurity. what insecurity? now it is true that incredible
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things have happened in tunisia and egypt too in libya there is a war but it may i remind you when we had a war in bosnia, we handed out temporary residence permits according to what was going on. in germany they took hundreds of thousands of refugees, and you know germany still there. all this talk about the ship going under his propaganda now you are telling us lafayette, criminals as if the mafia and criminals were arriving. they just walk in and you don't even see them. so stop you now telling us this stuff. the problem is quite simple. it is not africa that are people are seeing refugees today. let's have a pact of sarah dela the -- you can tell me that is a big problem and let me tell you one thing. i am affected by this.
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how many jewish when they fled because they were jewish tracks recs that was in 1939 in 1940. that was europe. the u.k. was like that. the united states too refuse them. there was a boat called the st. louis. i'm fed up, every time people are in difficulty that they are the problem. the problem is not them. it is us. it is our ability to show solidarity, our ability to throw open our doors. shot up. and all humbleness. now, let me tell you something commissioner, resident the council let me tell you one thing. you know what happened in paris. in paris young tunisians had italian residence permits. the french police arrived and they said do you know what we are going to do with you -- your permits? they tore them up.
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a national police force who you know, they have got a work permit officially issued by italy and the french say sarkozy says to tear it up. if that is the law in europe, we are wrong. we are wrong. we have gone wrong and that is why i'm asking you here today to put a stop to this. stop telling us that the problems are in north africa are a security problem. the problems in north africa and the war in libya, that is the problem of the insecurity of the people who live there. so, let's share them out among us. let's allow them to stay here with temporary residence permits until things calm down. if you spread them around with temporary residence permits there'll be no problem. so today if we agree to this debate on schengen, if we agree to this populist pressure and racism, you know what it is going to be with these border
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checks? it will be a check on what people look like. no mr. schultz. you can go through. but all these people with the darker skin who look a little different, they will be checked and then we will have -- for the people with a white skin but not the darker skinned we will fight against that europe. [applause] >> united left. >> president, well we have co-determination on -- the location of refugees and we have actually agreed on measures but now we see that one year later,
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we are discussing it again. we have got support for what we adopted at the time, but now we see we are talking about the distribution of refugees or the residence of the refugees that are coming as well. it has gotten a lot more difficult and yet many people are actually now dying at sea, but i think we must decide what to do in the future to handle these refugees. we can't simply ask for sort of -- there will be a lot of refugees, but after all france is not a huge number. we must protect the citizens. that also means that we must protect people in syria and benghazi as well. if they are in danger and also
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if they are lost at sea. now we want to set aside schengen and we cannot and we must not do it because it would be harmful to europe. there is no way that we can accept it. on the one hand we must make sure that there is an area of funding of the exceptions of refugees and we must distribute them but you know, how many arms are being served to libya over the last few years? we are talking about more than 300,000 euros and how many refugees have accepted in perhaps 6000. it is the first country that has already declared its preparedness to accept the refugees. and this is the responsibility to make sure that we distribute the refugees. >> mr. president yes in a
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courtyard the courtyard here we had armed soldiers. we had the imperial eagles and the flag being paraded, being raised, the european anthem was a display of militarism in e.u. nationalism. it was all just a bad dream but today we have got you. you begin by reiterating the fact that the free movement of people is the embodiment of the european project. you then go on to say that it is the duty of member states to share the burden of migratory flows into europe. you advocate the common e.u. immigration policy but of course you know that you are losing because they row that has blown up between italy and france shows that when there is a crisis, when there is your penny integration or the practicality of nationstates it is the nation-states that when. so you are worried that you are losing and in defense of your position and in defense of your
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beloved body of law, he resort to intolerance. you resort to nationalism. you make me realize that what i saw yesterday was actually for real. you attack those who want to control their own border policies. you attack them today as foes. you attack them as extremists, but worst of all, oh worst of all you attack them three times for being populists. isn't that a dreadful thing? the power of the ballot box. when people dare to vote no in referendums, they are populist. when i want to control their own borders, they are populist. i put it to you, the populace are actually democrats and you abuse those that want to fly the flag of populism. well here it is mr. barroso, here it is. that flag has represented liberal democracy far more than any other member state of its european union and it will go
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one long after your "star spangled banner" has disappeared. [applause] >> thank you. the next speech by dr. philip claeys. the floor is yours. >> thank you, president. schengen provides there will be no more inspections on the turbo -- internal provinces within the e.u.. >> the floor is yours mr. claeys. we start now. >> thank you, president. schengen provides inspections of the general borders in the e.u. will be dropped but will be subject to inspections. the problem is the agreement has not been kept because of bonds are not being properly checked. we must recognize that 60 years after schengen was introduced being a success the e. u.
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providing the solution because it is part of the problem. the member states must be given back the opportunity to protect their borders or without interference by the e.u. and we need other measures urgently too. front tax has better start sending refugees back to their country of origin. and you must tackle hard these networks of people smugglers. you must tackle -- the member states must stop rewarding illegal immigrants with residence permits. we must really send them back home. the illegal immigrants and the refugees. if that is in heaven i can assure you it is the end of schengen and it will be a disaster. and i would like to protest president against the words, the terms, the insults being thrown around, populist, extremist and all the rest of it, for people is simply want to protect the borders of their own country. there must be no more of this.
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it is not appropriate and the rules must be applied. nobody talks about applying the rules. you just start throwing out insults. thank you. >> other speakers on the list, mr. simon busattil. >> thank you mr. president. this schengen zone is important for european citizens and the message is coming out clear from this chamber today that we need to fight together, to two notches preserve it but strengthen it further and rely on the european commission to achieve that and the european parliament will be behind the european commission and strengthening schengen but if there are two lessons that we have learned on -- in respect to what happened in recent weeks it is these two lessons. first of all if we can turn the borders within the schengen depend on a common strategy,
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common concern on our external borders. with if our external borders are weak, then we will have problems on our internal borders. and we need to look at that. italy is under pressure with 25,000 people. it gave them a temporary permit. they moved to france. france fell under pressure and -- national border so the pressure went on to the internal borders and therefore the external borders are a common concern. secondly, schengen needs solidarity and solidarity is also about sharing the responsibility. burden sharing and sharing responsibility is also relative to the size of the member state. on the current system, people who arrive in one country remained in their country where they arrive because our laws, including the dublin regulation,
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ensure that they have to remain in the first country of arrival. this clearly needs to change because it is no longer tenable. 1000 people arriving in the smallest member states, my country, our equivalent population wise to 400 million, 400 million arriving in the entire european union. so yes, 25,000 are nothing. they are a drop in the ocean for the antiunion but 1000 people arriving in the southernmost member states are a lot. we need therefore to link schengen with solidarity. schengen needs solidarity. >> thank you. are you ready to answer the question on the blue card rule? >> mr. busattil are you ready to answer the question? okay, the question. >> microphone please.
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regarding schengen does that include strengthening schengen's orders and in particular the borders between greece and turkey? >> what are the conditions mr. chairman? i thank the member for his question. one of the conditions to join the schengen zone is indeed strengthening the external borders and precisely because they are a common concern. it is the responsibility of all the member states to ensure that the external border is strong. once you fulfill those conditions, then you can join schengen. precisely what countries such as bulgaria and romania have done and it is precisely why we have helped grease through a mission in greece on the turkish greek border. so yes, this goes to show that strengthening the external border is also a common concern. f
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morning s that that ainly, medicare has emerged as an issue that many voters are concerned about. there were some polling and a pulled out richard lee saturday found that one in five voters from the district medicare is the most important measure.ue >> host: let me point out on your web site come you point oui that the candidates and favorability ratings continue to grow. 23% corwin at 18% and hogle at. does that tell you about the negative ads we have been seeing in that race about the negative ads we have seen? guest: yes, the un favorability is growing. the attack ads are working in
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the attack ads are working in painting the others in a negative light, but it is hard to say if they are hihelping anyone. the negative ads are disgorging -- are discouraging a lot of voters, i think. host: the story in "the new york times." all is that playing out among the electorate -- how is that playing out among the electorate? she is doing all senior events guest: she is doing all senior events later today. i know she is trying to reach out to those senior voters.
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a poll on saturday showed that 45% of voters 55 and older are with her. 37% are with corwin. host: you were among the panelists at a debate we carried last week from wxxi, a pbs station in rochester, new york. did anything come out of that debate? we should mention that jack davis did not participate. guest: davis did not purchase of a dying two debates we've had in the district and his numbers really -- davis did not participate in two debates we've had in the district. it's hard to say if one candidate won at all. candidate won at all. corwin pointed out -- yoar
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