>> guest: i've watched your work over the years and have been impressed and amazed at the tremendous achievements on your part. >> host: again secretary of state dr. henry kissinger whose masterful book is called "on china." i'm monica crowley. thank you for joining us today. >> that was "after words," booktv's signature program in which authors of the latest nonfiction books are interviewed by journalists, public policymakers, legislators and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs every weekend on booktv at 10:00 pm on saturday, 12:00 and 9:00 pm on sunday and 12:00 am on monday. you can also watch "after words" online. go to booktv.org and click on "after words" in the booktv series and topics list on the upper right side of the page. ..

>> pride, how's it going? good. i should just begin by saying sometimes you just can't really

trust the media. [laughter] >> i have no idea what you mean. >> and saying this for someone who comes from the media. we tend to oversimplify. i think we care more about -- we care more about the tension and conflict and last but not depth and complex. in saying this because judging by on 60 minutes -- a segment on 60 minute, you would think that, you know, your book is like something out of the social network of the 1980s or something. it is like a bill gates versus subfloor. i think someone said you're like a billionaire. everyone is stuff i read the book and i'm like wait a second, did they read the exact same book i just read? exactly. i think the point i'm trying to

get at is this idea is you write critically about yourself and what you time and the failure steve had the successes and failures, just as critically as you've written about the future of microsoft or the relationship with the gates. i thought that was interesting. that's kind of where i want to start off. you've been ubiquitous on my google alert for about two months now. you're on this emotional but to her. what a surprise to the most about how people have reacted to the book? what has been the biggest surprise? >> well, there's a number of things. i think in my life i've been fortunate to be involved with so many different things obviously. microsoft will always be my signature achievement. although i have higher-ups are green institutions i've been involved in so many different

things. if anybody tries to pigeonhole me into one area >> you said this in the book that writing was hardest thing you've done. >> i thought about doing this for years and then i got very commit very ill. i just decided it's time to do the books. i worked on the book and then after the ballot heritage as a programmer came back to the fuller and i would meticulously go through an edit and and change, rephrase, especially technical details to try to make

it digestible, you know, for the public, that yet give everybody a sense of what it was like. and i hope i did that. every word in the book eight times. i don't need to read it again. >> was it hard though? a lot of people have made the mistake. has it been hard being so public about the stuff you write about those concerning bill gates or just downright like i'm waiting for the hollywood version of how this is all going to play out. is it tough to do that so publicly? >> well, when you write and not a biography like this and i think you're faced with the choice, are you going to tell it as you experienced it and tell the highs and lows of the important parts of your life?

i just chose to do that in a very unfurnished way because i thought that was really what it deserved and people deserve to hear. you know, i feel like i made some -- i've seen some successes and things that didn't work out as well, but hey, technology and other things that happen. you're not going to balance out anything with technology. but the reclusive thing i don't understand. >> you throw parties on a big yacht. i mean -- >> to me, reclusion of some of the states in their house. i've got tons of friends and not shaking people's hands. i don't know. i joked last week i was going to send out a tweet saying bitter

reclusive billionaire heads to las vegas to reunite the life of howard hughes. [laughter] but i don't even like him. >> you didn't treat that? you have to treat that. that is too funny not to treat. >> next week. >> i follow you now so hold you up on that. what do you make of the people, some of them former microsoft employees, like when the excerpt -- >> which ones? >> i don't think of an audience. some of them are surprised at the extra from "vanity fair" same i see speaking out now? lies the acting night, you know, what is the point of that? like what is the point of airing our dirty laundry like that? >> i was the moment in my life when i decided yuri founder of a company and decide to leave. the way that it happened at that time was, you know, importuned

to tell that because as a signature moment in my life. and give people a night of the trajectory, which went really huge leap for that is and innovative and fun partnership to at the end. so i went on to do many of the things since then. that was -- that was stifling important chapter in my life. >> it definitely reads like anybody who has read the book. it reads like a book in which somebody had nothing to lose. you just kind averted all-out. in many ways that's a testament kind of to what you've done. >> data, it can, i wrote a lot of it in those moments where i was thinking i've got to get this down. i kind of felt like it was and hopefully people will get something out of it when they read it. >> did you give steve palmer, current ceo of microsoft, bill

gates, did they get kind of a hey, this is coming, just so you know heads up? >> yeah. >> what do they say? >> i've yet to talk to bill about the book, but i expect i'll have a very intense discussion with bill. steve i have talked to and he basically says hey, you know, the book for trades >> no one has challenged any facts. >> is that wwf? advocating. i'm kidding. >> can he take us back at that

moment when you're in 10th grade, mrs. lakeside school, north of seattle. it was the lake? why did you think you guys would click? all right, the sky is interesting. >> well, there's some pictures of the and me together slaving over a hot ansari 33 teletype, which their are some examples downstairs, but they are not hot. that can probably be fixed. >> yeah, and i just remember bill used to wear saddle shoes and sweaters. he walks in a very gangly young man. after a few weeks after the terminal without our high school, there were a few of us that were just almost hold in

our way to get time on the terminal. bill was one of them and i was one of them and they were a few others. at the end of the month, they would post up kind of a horrifying list of how much money you've run up on the time-sharing service. and bill and i were always up there at the time. you think, how my going to explain to my parents $68 on time-sharing, you know? so that was always anxiety provoking. >> how about the day when he saw the article of popular mechanics, what was that 1974? he saw it in harvard square. actually, that magazine if you check about the revolutionary exhibit, its pale in the first 2000 years of computing. but that magazine is blown up downstairs. what was that feeling like when he saw that magazine? >> it was a feeling of dedication because i had been

telling bill for a long time, hey, we should be doing a basic language interpreter. first we built the microprocessor trick. we use to guide these rubber hoses in the street with tape. let's not get technical. anybody have a problem with that? already. so anyway, so to build that machine, one day bill and i -- i think we slip down to om backstrom and by the 8008 because i was convinced we could basically build our own mini computer with the guy to do the engineering. so it came out and was stuck into this piece does insulated

plastic wrapped aluminum foil and cost $360. or like wow, this is local processor and it's like an inch longer something. i would say bill, we should play 8008. it's only got a seven level stack. it's going to be unusual. so then the edd came out. he would say, we don't know anybody back in boston to build another computer. let's wait until somebody produces and i went down and clunked on my 75 cents. >> the first sentence of the article was the era of the computer in every home has arrived. that was the very first sentence. i am curious kind of in concrete

terms and he spent two months kind of really figuring this out -- what did that feel like? for you envisioning this going? there going? there was a going away were thinking about it? >> well, around that time we didn't know -- we have no idea what it was like. i talked to later in the book about winning the first version. we had no idea exactly how fast the rocket of home computers in personal computers was going to take off in our software was going to become an amazing part of that change. so we thought well, if we are really successful, maybe we'll have 35 employees. i think microsoft is over 90,000 now. so you have to remember back and they really were -- >> no, we were worried there is

competition. my role is kind of three of every design. i read everything and trying to see computerworld about what you see downstairs, but my job was to look and see what would he coming. we thought we had a head start, but we aren't sure. >> i'm curious and you know that, but the senior warden more came up with moore's law, basically saying the number of transistors incorporated in nature with double every 24 months. should this matter to you? the idea of everything getting cheaper? >> you can see the trend because the first if i was aware of is the 4004, then the estimate, which we built that first

machine on. that's the history museum in albuquerque and in the 88th. siewert read the chips were getting so much better in so much faster and cheaper. and now of course every component that the portable device are cheaper and faster and better every year. it has been amazing. i mean coming to the trend was happening. you do know with an affiliate at the time, but it is obviously happening in a way. >> i swear, this is my last bill gates question. don't worry. but, you guys have your question cards, so please feel free to right questions. actually, most interesting passage about bill gates and the book is when he wrote i left before the date and we both had our trance success.

in certain respects, neither of us has been quite as good a loan as we work together. so i'm reading this and thinking to myself, so is he trying to say that what would've happened if he would have stayed at microsoft? what would've happened in the past 10 years it's been going on microsoft is falling by the wayside, facebook or twitter or google. do they think what would've happened if you had stayed? >> i thought about it. in technology, we just accomplished an amazing things. we used microsoft language hard-core business person. the company does super well, certainly after i left. it took more challenges and we can talk about that in a few minutes. yeah, you know, just think how in mattress back how lucky was i

to have a partner as capable as bill gates and that we worked shoulder to shoulder and i brought my ideas to the table. so yeah, of course it like to think if i stayed there i stayed there at kudos affected the course of things. when i left i had with he wasn't on seeing. i wanted to do a big names. i tried to retire at age 30, which are listed for about 18 months. >> what did you do? >> i keep back on the riviera and travel. i wanted to see europe. i traveled a lot. and try to relax. technologists only lasts a long and then you want to be creating something again. >> what you think about the factor at good history of

technology, new look electric companies founded by two people, there's always one to really become the outsized role but then not banal of the cofounders would see the other person read. what does that say about the nature of friendships when you do these startups and have two people involved? what is it say that? >> they can deftly depend on personality between the two people. i also think some people are more technological -- that's just a bank. i wasn't attracted to sail from the main with the next microprocessor chip for the next product in those kind of questions. so over time, there's a company growing more and most areas. yeah, there became -- the role became different.

those focused on the whole slate slate of non-technical things and technical. so as these rules of golf over time, so does the case of microsoft. >> i have to say by the way, adversaries social networking down, everyone's been using it as shorthand. have you seen the movie by the way? >> i have. i didn't see it until after. i just felt -- i just felt it might have some effect maybe perhaps it was really strange to see the echoes of some of the things that have been. early in the movie. >> i was there in 1974. some of the other things that happened. so what was interesting. >> and the book you are talking about how you would sit down,

eat pepperoni pizza, spiders and be thinking about what if we could start a company some day. when interviewed dr. berg, he actually had the exact same -- would be seen in a pizza place think about how we could start the next that. i guess it doesn't really change in terms of that kind of culture. >> there something and not peace. i don't know what it is. probably something i don't know what the equivalent in palo alto. sushi? >> is cooler, hipper and more diverse. which actually brings you to this point because he said he thought about retiring by 30. and i can of course light team has come up and look at the valleys like jack dorsey or zetterberg who are leaving companies. but if i would you give them? somebody who has gone through the process, helping start

something. this is their life. she tell them to just take a break? what would you tell them? >> well, together thing was my house but that is basically said i was cured by the age of 30, but i didn't know that. that was also a big factor, a big wake-up call. there's certain things that i don't think that that mysterious, but you have to be eternally vigilant about new platforms coming down. and you can think about facebook and twitter. you know, both of those could have been created earlier. used to be called myspace not unlike a. when a new platform puzzle on, you can be obsolete quickly. you have to be incredibly vigilant, hire the best people

and retain them, which in silicon valley -- the reason was because else changes jobs in 18 months. that was in 1977. so we said yeah, seattle, rain. >> of course our families where they are. sorry, so there's pioneering and retaining great people. and then there is this blind spot and, we just don't see the platforms, but they could potentially obsolete you coming. and companies like even google and apple didn't want to see social networks that coming and take root like it has. >> apple tried to launch pain. i am not sure where pain has gone, but clearly it's a little

too late. they haven't quite caught on. which brings me to this question. microsoft celebrated its 36th birthday earlier this month. i'm curious, where do you think microsoft is now in relation to save google, facebook, apple which you called the book, high-tech hound. can you define that? like you caught them high-tech? >> that frees us from it pusan. the hound unmade trailer. yeah, microsoft always had a lot of competition. but the competition today is incredibly fierce and accompanies the we party talked about. and so, you're trying to fight kind of a multi-front war and it's hard to innovate.

we get people to change their habits. the inertia is pretty strong, so you feel a change that has to be as good and better for a social network for a mobile phone platform. they work and member areas and i have friends over that a i certainly encourage them and give them an ietf, but it's a big challenge as it is for companies with apple trying to do pain. it's a challenge to come from not having a position to be in a major influence in the area. so that's just the way a plane right now. >> is that a microsoft is behind those companies? >> enterprise, other areas like microsoft has agreed position that is superbly profitable and has some great people. competing in all those different areas is another thing. sometimes you have to pick your

spot. microsoft is using game platforms. >> connect? >> but what i think is interesting as it be said that microsoft is definitely still an influentially credible company that has been so woven into a nice. i mean, i grew up with microsoft word, pc. we forgotten it's even there. do you have written a book about what you called a breathtaking fall from grace. you said it wasn't a longtime microsoft stood by the slogan that bill and i followed at the start. we set the standards. there is no one speaking privately and candidly who would make that claim today. >> i think i was referring to new standards for platforms. i mean, microsoft has an amazing

position from the leadership position in d.c. we all carry around -- different kind of mobile devices and no tablet had taken the field, too. there's going to be an incredible battle between different tablets of players coming to. so when this new platforms come down the pipes, to really internalize that in your attack to keep your engine going into new areas. and microsoft has been lagging in some of these areas and a very straightforward about that in the book. >> you basically say if microsoft fails to catch up in mobile, anything for a long, slow slide. what is -- what do you think strategy ways can microsoft do in windows to get it out for the

market share is nowhere near the software for the black berry or the iphone or even the entry. what can microsoft do? >> anytime you're challenged when you're coming behind, you have to need the capability command map things persuasive to get people to switch because people won't switch him a something astronomically better. forget the example of google. there is a time when there must've been five other search engines. and then they came up with something better. so to really take a huge chunk, you've got to meet one that requires shorter development cycles, maybe, your best people, and agility and autofocus. >> you said steve ballmer has one of the toughest jobs in the world right now.

if you could give them advice, what would it be? >> well, i've given him advice. >> such as? >> some of those are private conversations. >> it's okay. we're friends. >> i thought c-span is here. >> no, no, they're not here. i'm curious, what was the advice? >> just the kinds of things we've been talking about. what areas to improve some of these products products tablets. >> yeah, where's microsoft from the tablet? worries that going? >> you should talk to someone from microsoft, but they're very focused on that. i don't want to speak for microsoft's product strategy. >> i'm curious from an investment if, i was doing some reading i knew in a business reporter wants what you suffered from a sort of investors

attention deficit disorder. there was one point to invest in 100 internet idea corporations. the missteps. i'm curious what has been your mind for an investment standpoint. i'm not just going to ask you to talk. >> i'm curious from their what do you think it's been the biggest failure for you? >> i felt that cable was in millions and millions of homes. now they do. products like cable and very slow compared to anything else just about. it took longer than expected. but the actual delivery of data has been fantastically successful. the main problem with charter was the amount of leverage,

which was too high. but in terms of the breadth of things -- he made money off that. >> invested in aol early, priceline, and many other things started espn. now they sold that to disney. many successes along the way. but he invested during internet mobile, mobile to mobile so everyone is going to get, you know, have some in the bubble, too. i tried to do many different things and had some great successes and sound signature failures. so i think they are pretty much -- the big one -- the big bad one in the leg good ones are in the book. >> by the way, what would you

consider the biggest success? dreamworks? would you consider that? >> no, hollywood's mentality -- microsoft -- if we made the mistake or missed a trend or whatever when i was there, which is congratulate or so. how are we going to catch up? and hollywood, it's not that great in the box office was horrible. so you don't have the post-analysis. i hope the post-analysis like you haven't checked knowledge she. so i was a bit of a fish out of water in that world. i try to contribute a few things like one of the few things i think i talked about in the book that this was the level effect i had.

i said hey shark, when you walk, others note dust in your brain tells you something is wrong, but you don't know what it is. so that's the kind of effect. >> i'm sorry, what was that? >> i think it was a million. that's a lot. >> know, i've dealt with documentary films that we talked about earlier. what in psychology called this emotional life, one global health, one of evolution which in theory very proud. the documentaries, you know, just don't have examples. >> what has it been for you the best investment so far? >> well, i mean, a few years ago i invested -- some people

convince me to invest in oil and gas pipelines. >> go on. >> turns out a lot of people need oil and gas since i did very well on that investment. but it's not one of those things -- you know, investments they really enjoy. i really enjoyed the ones player, you know, the technology person you can add the value and that happens and it's really rewarding. use the online services aol is going to do great. i thought, it's doing great, but microsoft says they are going to crush aol. they be time to sell. >> so i've had. investing with the oil and gas. pure comment. investing. i see some cards -- >> there've been picked up. >> last year you fired in brief

filed the lawsuit and the entire and then not. >> it was that brought. yahoo!, facebook, google, aol, ebay. am i missing somebody clicks for copyright infringement. for patent, yes, yes. so why did she do that? >> i can't talk about the details of the lawsuit. it's gotten a lot of notice. i do research company here in the valley years ago called in a full research that might actually be people here from interval. it's not around anymore, but it was a wonderful experience, but in terms of companies that came directly, very, very modest but created some interesting i.t. this litigation you mentioned

and again, i think as tensions become about two well-known individuals, everybody knows that every other big, you know, how hound as far as i can tell. >> yeah, this one is basically like paul allen at least on twitter. >> i'm in exile now. >> from your perspective, was that basically to say that to you think in many ways that i had. >> you can be too early. if you're early, look look them in seaweed and many, nobody else is doing that, sometimes there are some things inherent in whatever the technology might be your management team or might be avenged of reasons to your early ideas not going to take root.

you're just way too early. >> or companies right now in the valley which are then passed on on a few code? >> the evaluations are so crazily high. >> no they're not. now they are coming out of her. but which you invest on? >> again, i do want to comment on any known companies. he do your best due diligence to make sure there's something really, really new. i'd a few ideas in the last couple years and i say but if you combine this with this? a lot of my best ideas or a combination of basic microprocessor chip. staff would say, well, there's 20 companies do not. i say cheese, very, very crowded so you have to be super where of

the competitive landscape and whether somebody else has momentum. >> i should point out by the way that when i was writing this up, this idea of owning a football team, the seattle seahawks basketball team, portland trail blazers, what is the score? i think they were down five to dallas or something like that. he funded the first privately financed rocket. these on your own museum, to try to jimi hendrix played at woodstock in currently also owned the chair that captain curt said at the stars movie. is that true? >> at the monocyte office chair. not as impressive as it looks on the enterprise. >> versus 800 level, 714 feet yacht.

is there anything you haven't actually done cracks >> we haven't talked about the brain yet, but i think you start talking about scientific problems or challenges. i mean, the fact that they succeeded when the ask price, nobody knew that was going to happen. sometimes, you know, they've been ambitious in trying to accomplish these things, sometimes you fail, sometimes you never succeed in the marketplace. but you know, it is the ambition to try. yet the great team of people. that's just enthralling. so they are many, many challenges out there. i'm especially excited about anything related to the brain

and artificial intelligence i've always had a nagging interest in them are starting to get contraction there. but i think you're talking about more things that are more related >> were talking about sheer fun. >> i was just in antarctica a couple months ago and that's fascinating. he slowly cruise up in a sleeping whale or something. but then you go visit the scientist and say, here's the bigger and in here's what it looks like 20 years ago and it is full of lies. so the global warming start. >> in terms of adventures, there's a chap or about adventures. some of the thinking there was inspired by a scene shop is so when he was a kid.

i don't know, i've had wonderful experience is trying to explore the fun side of life. i think it is incumbent upon all of the technology to think how do we balance our lives between the siren of like i can fix that last bug versus no, maybe i should go home and spend more time with my family. whatever it might be, go bowling, whatever the other things are. music for me it's a big passion. >> back to the point that there is some report that just came out about the landmark map of the human brain, right? why was it so groundbreaking? this is course from the allen institute for brain science. i was such a groundbreaking? >> we basically get human brains in, light them up and look at the gene expression for all 25,000 plus genes in the human

brain and that the day online for scientists around the world to use in a research. there's no individual lab there sternness in quality and multiple frames, lake was used in the human genome project. now were doing human, developing humans. we work on autistic rains. so it's endlessly fascinating to me because we the brain works is for just starting to see the up time for the period were starting to get a sketchy idea of it in there so much work to be done. each part was designed by the evolution optimized by what it does in particular. it was pretty much a regular structure. every little bit is optimized to

do its job. so it's endlessly fascinating, compelling and mind-boggling. >> i've a question here. i'm going to get her questions from the audience. a question here from slackened bob, who apparently is the guru of the artificial intelligence is actually here tonight. the question is power, in my view, the company you own is supporting and managing one of the best artificial intelligence projects in the world. can you tell the audience a little bit about it and what motivated you to set it up? >> on the one hand you're trying to understand how does the brain -- ultimately we'd all put to know how does the brain work? is very treatments for neurodegenerative disease like alzheimer's, which my mother has, how can you make those happened earlier? so i'm fascinated by the brain,

which happens. then he got artificial intelligence, where programmer said they are and say okay, you don't know how the brain works, but we want to do something similar. either team in seattle trying to encode biology textbook and put all that knowledge and software and it's a well trodden path, but it's super hard to do knowledge representation as i'm sure they could elaborate at a better link than i can. it's super hard to do that in software because midlife reasoning and holds probabilities in things that aren't research areas for artificial intelligence. so we are reading down that path and you can see 10, 20, 30 years down the road he will have

something really significant. but in the meantime, we're concentrating on getting a biology text inside computer software in the way the student can ask questions and get a coherent answer from the software. since releasing groundbreaking work in seattle. we actually have sri and many other famous places. >> would you say writenow project halo and the institute, the two projects are most excited right now? >> is a couple couple of little internet games, but the brain and a.i., those two things alone you could spend many lifetimes trying to figure out ways to accelerate -- accelerate progress. i'm excited to be involved in those areas than looking out for other areas and other things. any philanthropy -- philanthropy

is a wonderful thing to be involved in tubule to give back. if you signatures of success, i think you should give back. >> you pledge last july, right? >> i was intended to give the majority of my assets to philanthropy and bill called me up and said would you join? cheesesteak and i'm been very, very tough problems in global how, malaria, education. those are huge problems. if you're doing your philanthropy coming have to say, what appeals to me? where can i make a difference in terms of the solutions of this problem? so i'm really focused on the brain right now. >> i'm going to have questions from the audience. >> yeah, the pacific northwest has benefited nearly a billion dollars they think investment in philanthropy in that area.

so who is your mentor? is important to have one? >> well, through your life you have a series of people that have had a positive influence and give you a chance to succeed. obviously my parents whom i talk about a lot in the book basically my father was a librarian, and that there was a schoolteacher. i spent so much time around books at the university of washington library and try to absorb everything i could. and then when i got to high school, obviously we kind of were self-taught, except there were a bunch of ex-mit and stanford people at the computer center that was giving away free time that we got hooked up with. is steve russell here tonight? did he make it? anyway, steve russell who did piecework at the tdp won, bill

and i would literally taken dumpsters to get these listings of coffee stained and i could smell the coffee today. and then they go my gosh, i don't know what they're doing, but it's beautiful. [laughter] so you kind of absorb some of that fearlessness is, you know, as you go along the way. so active mentoring and then you're excited about other things like shakespeare or whatever. i mean, i've enjoyed having a well-rounded player, or am interested filming different things. i try to convey it a little bit in the book. >> i think you did. >> there so many things that are unbelievably fascinating in the world, whether it's literature or art or the ocean, you could keep going on. you could go on and on forever.

any of those you can get john into if you've got somebody pushes you to wait that's that's excited about it for experience project museum in seattle. we tried like i think this museum is doing to show young people that you know, hey, try playing the guitar and if you can make a couple of notes, maybe you want to learn to play guitar into the same thing with hopefully two more things here to get young people program. >> another question. what do you see as the next big thing and why? >> that's a hard one. i mean, i think eventually some of these a.i. type systems and recently we fallout in jeopardy. eventually those things would be so much better for understanding will be so much better. but in terms of things happening or whatever, i can't say in

particular they are. >> this is really great question. paul, at an early age to achieve fabulous while, which enabled you to re-create your life anyway you wanted to. was that liberating or horrifying? to have everything you ever wanted to do right in front of you. does that liberating or horrifying? >> as so many more possibilities and options. but then you are a steward of those assets. so if you have reversals or redactor, a big reversal, you just feel awful. so you have to be very, very careful thing you know all of the resources that i had, by far the lion share will go to philanthropy. so very sad realization that you have to keep in mind.

>> so when really, really question. please describe -- please describe interactions with ibm late 70s as the pc emerged. >> said basically, microsoft said you guys said we are going to wear ties. was mastery talking about? >> is the famous story in boca and he forgot to bring a tie, said they had to buy a tie at the last second for them. but by the time we were in seattle, and you know, it was just really -- you know, i was on pins and needles because the basics that we were doing was going to go on a read-only memory and i was just so afraid they were going to be bugs in it, which they were. there were a couple of bugs in there, so i put these hooks and so i could replace any bad areas

of the rom code in those turned out to be invaluable. the basic thing is when we were doing god, there is a story in the book were bill and i are arguing about the fact that it was delayed. and i thought it then called tree structured should be in dos 2.0 and ibm when it morticians. so they got directories where you can't claim credit for. do her part in the next back in. the ibm guys are like, we're happy with partitions. no, no, pre-structured driving. and of course there is a bunch of back-and-forth about that. i mean, they were basically -- they basically came to us and said we want to buy all your

software. you know, where do we get an operating system? languages seem great in any way, the rest is history. so we were really coming into, as kids and are late 20s, young men and early 20th company know, we knew was going to be fake, but we have no idea how big the opportunity because everybody wanted to make ibm. >> with a space question. what do you expect from spaceship one? a true commercial spaceship company, maybe an early lockheed? >> well, richard branson has rdt can capacitance in the license to the spaceship one technology and i think it not too long poster flying people what paying

passengers into space and basically it goes straight up and come back down in a period of half an hour and it's amazing. you're floating away if her about five minutes. that's going to be exciting. but when it is logically played, i was used to well, if somethings wrong with an error message. in rocketry if something goes on as a human being inside it's really bad. i have a history of occasionally asking questions and ranchers start. i said, well, there has to be received so it goes to be capable of playing three people. dissenting case something goes

wrong is that you are coming out. for most sites or have been ever so nervous and just so happy when they got back on the ground. >> please speak a little bit about judgment day, intelligent design. >> that was a documentary that we did following up on the evolution document where we talk about, you know, a court case that happened about textbooks. it's interesting i recommend people to see it. basically there is the theory in the intelligence design that people do try to justify intelligence is there of these intermediate forums or something like that. there's no way it could have been created other than by intelligent designer. and yet, he put biologists on

the witness stand to save it a minute, there's like five intermedia forums in the argument can have devolved down into what about between those forums. then you go well, we found this one. so basically they are the intermediate forms are all these things. so that's what it's about. >> with a question asking for advice for programmers. creative trends. what is the future programming? >> you know, i feel a bit bad because i used to just -- there is a new programming language and i would just get a manual. i would read the manual. the federal that's really cool, but the other stuff over there is worse than the other language i've ever seen. so, there's so many new

languages since i was programming a nice 10 micrograms , which was 1980 -- i don't know. >> i was six. >> you are already programming? >> i'm kidding. and i was the only person in the company who knew how to write a similar code. this is c++ return. so i don't know. if i was the program today, it's fun just to pick the right language if your employer lets you pick the language. and you know, you've seen companies like google still trying to innovate.

so in the end, all these tools -- you can do anything you want to these tools. it's a matter of how fast can you get there? get so caught up in the tool itself, taken the right tool and you lose three months on your schedule. the programming is great. but i have to say i did but sometimes when i'm talking to one of my project teams who say, you know, we have these two years of legacy so we've re-factored it. we used to say rewrote it and now everything gets reset your in that sounds better. >> what was that? >> that was the re-dream. [laughter] but i'm not sure it's a much better. >> i've got four questions to you all about what it was like to face her mortality.

i want to bring up in the fact of the book you actually think to do yours because basically were diagnosed in recovery from cancer twice. nearly 30 years with the time difference. same.yours. >> same doctors. >> you scared. >> i mean can you send in your first diagnosed the first time it was a wake-up call. >> turns out the lamp in the last. >> in late 2009 in the fact that the second time, what went through your head? >> millennium, the first time when i had hodgkin's disease, i developed the treatment of stanford. i love bookstores. those in the stanford bookstore today and there was a book about a thankless dr. henry kaplan that developed his treatment for hodgkin's disease. so they tell me when you get this radiation, look, we're