organizations like blackwater which is what i was about to do until my wife talked me out of it luckily because i would be older and less tactical or more dead. but in my particular case, coming out, it was harder for me because i had three bullet wounds that cost me my career. going through divorce, ptsd and not willing to admit it because i am a navy seal and i cannot tell you. i do view it as a weakness. i did not realize i had survivor's guilt. how come so many good guys? when i talk about in the book how come they died and i was allowed to live? you think you should be grateful for that but sometimes even now i will still find myself thinking how come he died and i was

allowed to live? that was on me coming back into society it was hard trying to assimilate. i was lucky i met the right woman and 12 back-to-school and became a chiropractor now i have a job that i love. . . and achieved a station didn't interview "the washington post" and leave everything out, so okay. now we can talk about it. i mean, when he did the glasscock down and that's a cornerstone in my book is, you know, there's others in their desert storm and stuff, but declassified and then you can talk about it but you still want to talk about tactics and techniques which the seals read

my book say we wouldn't do it like that. exactly. so that's the way it is. >> next on book tv jennifer griffin and greg appeared on c-span's washington journal to talk about their new book, this burning land and take questions from viewers. this is about 45 minutes. >> we are back with husband and wife reporting team the senior editor at national public radio, co-author of the new book by the husband and wife team this burning lamp lessons from the front when it to transform the israeli-palestinian conflict anr jennifer griffin national security correspondent fox news panel of course the co-author of the book as well. let me begin with b you. let's start with why the conflict continues today. >> guest: it's been going on tenures ago, they were close to

an agreement. but they have worked backwards -- 10 years ago, they were close to an agreement. we wanted to emphasize how they dug a deeper hole for themselves. hamas is in control of gaza. relish solomons have expanded from 100,000 to 300,000 today so. a lot of the problems have multiplied and become even larger. that is one thing we wanted to emphasize. it's a deepening of the conflict. >> this includes your personal stories. you have live there. you have raised two small children. you there from 1999 to 2007. you said that israel has a thriving economy. but they cannot solve this problem. guest: one reason we wrote this

book is we felt that there is a lot of talk in washington if we could just give back to the peace process. we always hear, if we just can go back to the peace process and get the israelis and palestinians talking as they did when you talk been -- itzyak rabin was on the scene. during the time we live there, the psychological landscape between the israelis and palestinians changed to such a degree. you need to come at the problem with a new perspective as to how both sides were changed. >> -- host: what did they not understand about the conflict that you think they should understand, given that you were on the ground? guest: the way these issues have

become more difficult. the economies were very much integrated. israelis and palestinians could travel back and forth. every day, palestinians were like commuters. they would come to work in israel and go home at the end of the day. israel is would go to the west bank. there was economic integration to a degree. the kinds of segregation and divisions have become much more permanent and locked in place. these will be hard to reverse. you just cannot go back a decade and dust off the old plan. host: when you first arrive, was it that sparked the decline t three? there? guest: the spark that unleashed a lot of built up anger and

frustration that the peace process had not gone as the palestinians and israel is had hoped. there was frustration on the palestinian side. we described in the first chapter or the first deaths on the temple mount bacchant september of 2000. it is not that that's part or cause the intifada. but we bring to in this chapter is the back start of what made him go there that day. we have interviews and stories and the back story behind what motivated him to go there that day. and then everything that unfolded from that. you have to understand those initial days. greg is fond of saying it just takes a small spark in the middle east. look at what is happening in tunis. man set himself on fire. now you have a revolution in libya. there was a human rights

activist who had been arrested in those early days and that is what sparked the protests. all it takes to the middle east is a spark. our point is that you cannot ignore the israeli-palestinian conflict. it may not be a front burner issue right now. you need to understand this conflict. host: you do need to understand what it means to both sides. do you think that is important? guest: absolute. will you have is the holiest destroyedjudea saism twice. and now you have one of the most important shrines in islam built on top of that. ariel sharon went up there to walk around. he did not go into the religious shrine. but walking around in flamed muslim passions.

jews pray the western wall. that is the most explosive piece of real estate in the entire middle east. guest: you have to understand how layered it is and the proximity and also how small the place is. we tried to paint the picture in the book. we take the leader there on that day when aerial shot walked onto the temple mount. i was there. the next day, friday prayers. jews were praying at the western wall. i did not understand that how on top of each other the mosque and worthy jews were praying. there is a beautiful picture. the last picture. it is in the old city. it shows an arab and a jewish

worshiper passing each other in the old city. the above cannot see each other. they are covered. it is and amazing fatah. it symbolizes so much. walking down this narrow streets, streets that have been there since jesus walked the same path. there faces are covered and they do not see each other. host: fast for to today. do the palestinians -- fast forward to today. this is the holiest offer the palestinians. israel might take it away. guest: absolutely. this is where diplomacy will have to comment. you have to be creative. there were notions that the mosque and the religious compound that had been there for 1300 years would remain in muslim hands.

but that the ground below it be in jewish hands. talking about belowground would have one sovereign and above ground would have another sovereign. you're going to have to come up with some very creative solutions. this is the one spot for an israeli leader to relinquish sovereignty of the holiest site .n judea's aism this is a difficult thing for any politician. host: you conducted a lot interviews while you live there. you got personal stories down to the specifics of this conflict. ,'m wondering from both of you is the end goal of statehood more important, or is the site? guest: it depends for whom you're talking about.

i think what we're hearing now is interesting. in recent days, there has been talked about palestinians going for a vote about palestinian statehood. that will force israel's hand. have shimon peres -- you have the shimon peres coming to the white house tomorrow. israel is concerned if the palestinians and go to a vote at the u.n. general assembly, that they will overnight have a state and if certain things are not discussed, that is going to put this conflict and take a turn that many israelis are concerned about. president bush was the first american president to declare that two states are two peoples was the goal of u.s. policy and that the palestinians deserve a

state. that was a major step forward. we have seen so much movement. sometimes looks like the israelis and palestinians are locked in a tight race. it's been going on for ever. there is a lot going on. you need to predict what we try to do -- this is a very -- we have to introduce you to characters on both sides of the conflict. you can actually crossed the front lines on any given day and report from both sides of the conflict on the same day. that is what we wanted to show. through the eyes of these characters that we have met, what are the issues, what drives them to fit what motivates them prove it will be the difficult issues ahead? guest: there are many good people on both sides and we profile many of them in the book who want peace. it is reason not to give up

hope. tour elements that have a vested interest in keeping the conflict alive. i would point to hamas, who does not want to negotiate. this makes their argument and their cause stronger, that israel should be destroyed. there are groups of settlers in the west bank who would like -- who believe that time is on their side. the more these settlements will become fixtures as part of connected to israel, and therefore they have a greater chance of remaining in place. host: want to move on to north africa. what impacts of those situations in libya had there? guest: the biggest impact was the change in egypt. the change -- the potential change of the government or the

change of the government and the potential change of the relationship between egypt and israel and one thing in need to understand disease how nervous israel is our right now about what is going on around them, because this is a cataclysmic change we're seeing appear we have had the same families in power in all these arab states. one interesting point is that for the first time in the history of the middle east, you're not hearing israel blamed for all the problems in the arab capitals. they are not turning around and the leaders are not able to say all their problems are because of the conflict not being solved. that is an interesting development. the situation in egypt is important for israel. there is the border between gaza and egypt. if the egyptians -- if the new egyptian government does not

monitor that border, that is going to destabilize things in a serious way. i would say israelis are holding their breath as to the changes going on around them. they do not know about the regime in syria. would be a huge change with regards to hezbollah -- that would be a huge change. all eyes right now on these other conflicts and it is not clear how the dust will settle. host: this is a headline from times."the new york what role of a plane in the middle east -- what role are they playing in the middle east? guest: it has been extraordinary what qatar has done.

al jazeera has played a role in the arab world. they have the the u.s. military presence. they have decided that for many -- they have contributed to an opening of discussion and dialogue in the arab world. it is an important thing. they have also avoided being involved in the unrest that you've seen elsewhere. host: we're talking about co- authors of this new book. we're talking about the new book and also the unrest in the middle east and northern africa. mike is a democrat. are you there? oops. i think we'll have to wait to see who else calls and.

in.to see who else calls an caller: you folks are extremely knowledgeable and i appreciate your time. what i like to know and i've been trying to find out, where is -- need the palestinians -- would need another hanan. was an excellent representative. we need her. guest: she's still very prominent in palestinian society, but less so on the international stage. she was a leading spokesperson in the 1990's. articulate, very persuasive. she was in some palestinian cabinets. have some friction with some of the other leaders and not a

front-line political figure right now. but involved in developing education programs. she has a nonprofit that she runs. she still very active, but you're not hearing her as the spokesperson. she was a powerful spokesperson. host: -- guest: she felt -- she and falling-out what the arafat regime and many of his cronies who took over afterwards. she was not in a good position with them. she would have felt the intifada did not serve the violent side -- it did not serve the larger cause. she is a woman of principle and i think she is funny she's better served working on women's issues in the palestinian area.

tom, go ahead. are you with us? you are both back here in washington now. let's talk about what you're doing. guest: i worked for fox news at the pentagon. i was in afghanistan if you weeks back. that is what we're doing. one thing we don't have a chance to talk about, the book talks about our personal life. working for two different news organizations in a tense time and also raising two small children. i gave birth to two daughters while we were living in israel. there were certain times when i would go to work with a flak jacket and a breast pump because i was nursing at the time. our girls were born in jerusalem. our second daughter was born on

the eve of the iraq invasion. i checked into the hospital and they give us a certificate for a gas mask tent the babies. adults are caring around gas masks for fear that saddam hussein would fire chemical weapons. that says so much about the psychology of the conflict. we say it is no exaggeration to say on the day they are born, israelis begin preparing for war. host: you are at npr. guest: i worked on the "addition" -- morning edition" program. host: our caller, tom, is back. caller: how is it going this morning?

because of the uprising in africa, why do you think the uprising is so severe now? due to american change and status with the president and everything? give me your notation on by the uprising there in africa and it seems to have been an uprising in the united states. guest: i believe you are referring to the north african countries that have exploded companies, libya, and egypt. something that has caught people by surprise. what you see in places that are frozen in time or the have one autocratic leader, there is not an allegory venue to practice any kind of normal politics where there are -- the views are suppressed.

you can take one incident and things will explode. we mentioned this earlier with the episode in tunisia. someone was abuse by police and this touched this off. this is percolating under the surface. as we a scene, it happened in half a dozen countries at least. guest: think also it is the advent of social media and the internet. a lot of these countries -- it was popular for these rulers and tyrants to keep their people separated from the outside world. you could keep them from knowing what was going on. that is impossible now in the age of the internet. greg mentioned the world with al jazeera in the middle east. qatar funded the station -- the satellite station that essentially was the spark for the revolution a decade ago. americans don't understand the

role but al jazeera has played in the middle east. we have heard criticism of al jazeera during the early parts of the iraq invasion. there were seen as being anti- american. there were chandra -- there were challenging all the leaders. that decade of freedom of information and speech and freedom of speech -- and freedom of the press, that was revolutionary. having access to twitter and facebook -- it was when one person said himself on fire, it was people in syria who saw what was going on and said, i want to be a part of this. this is the genie that cannot be put back into the bottle. this is the biggest change in the middle east since the end of the ottoman empire at the end of i.rld war r

host: let's go to georgia on the democratic line, joan. caller: do you believe that the people of north africa and the middle east are still optimistic about how the obama administration will handle things put he had a great opportunity at the beginning because he had some -- the last thing goes back to what you have been talking about with israel and the palestinians. the issue of water and water rights and how that plays. thank you. guest: i will answer the first question. if we think back, president obama went to cairo in june of 2009. he had been in office six months or so. he delivered a very big speech about the need for more open democratic arab world. it is not a coincidence. there was a lot of hope that

things might change. i don't know that anyone thought it would come so dramatically and as fast as we have seen it. he was seen as inspiration. it is gone tricky. president obama has found you have this often difficult choice between u.s. values and u.s. strategic interests. at times, they can conflict. i think the president's -- people in this part of the middle east and north africa do look to the united states. they are kind of wondering, would get full support to democratic opponents but does that mean military support? will we stand back of the obama administration is still figuring out its policies. people have the same issues. guest: in addition to president obama's speech in cairo, you have to go back to condoleezza rice who gave a symbol speech in

cairo, talking about how u.s. policy in the millie's has long favored stability over democracy. she stated that the new doctrine of the bush administration was that they would favor democracy in these countries. there was a point of time where mixed signals were sent to democratic activists in these countries, the arab countries and capitals. the groundwork for what we're seeing as a series of revolutions was laid during the bush administration and fall about a speech by president obama. now i think what we're seeing from the white house and state department and pentagon is the that i don't think anyone believes they can control what is going on in the middle east right now. they are trying to remain engaged in a way that the democratic movement emerges from this period of tumult, that the

u.s. will be seen as a friendly player who wants to help and not hinder what is going on. more host:, an independent caller from new york. -- mark, an independent caller. caller: much influence to the united states have in these people fighting for their freedom? what do you think that president obama decided to help them and go against allies that had been there for years and years, who have been suppressing the extreme islamists? now those leaders are out and you don't know what we'll have. guest: i was there for the first gulf war when the iraqis were pushed out of kuwait. it was overwhelming support for america. america was seen as the one country that could do something. there was pro-american graffiti on the walls of the embassy in

kuwait. to give you a sense of the steam -- what esteem americans were held at the time. i think you've seen a waning of american influence and mixed signals. u.s.-supported some of these leaders who were unpopular. there was always a sense of a choice between an autocratic leaders like mubarak in egypt or islam as extremists. it has gotten very hard, for the u.s. to make clear its position. i will say that i think this administration -- if this hadn't administration -- but this administration had decided to

back the bar, he would still be in power. hi think lingering in the state department and in the white house's-was the lack of intervention that occurred when the iranian people tried to interfere effused back and they were pretty well squashed by the iranian regime. i think you have to look at european interests. and it was really the french and the british wanted an ally as they go to go in and do something against gaddafi. there were people let the pentagon advising against this. each country has been a case by case basis. i think what the administration has realized is that this is a jeanie des you cannot put back

in the bottle. trying tomply shepherd this process as best they can, even though it is likely to be claimed as the regime. host: we are talking to jennifer crittendon, greg myre, husband and wife team. they understand you were just talking to secretary gates. guest: yes, secretary gates has a long history and relishes it with libya because he was debbie director of the cia -- deputy director of the cia, in the 1980's. he was definitely trying to caution against regime change in libya because he saw how difficult it was.

one of the firm lines he has drawn is no grown troops in an african or middle eastern country. and he also cautioned the of the day on capitol hill that regime change often takes 10 years, as we have seen in iraq. host: we will go to andrew in florida. caller: i just want to make a quick comment about educational causes and university in the states. with the news media, how is it possible to be a more current events? when you came back to the states and went to a friend --

went to friends and family and tried to describe the situation, the older generations -- was in the older generations or the denver generations that could not complete? guest: i actually think that this book, which really gives you an updated look at the israeli conflict would be great in conference. -- in classrooms. [laughter] there are many people who have followed this conflict for a long time and it answers a lot of key questions. my experience, after going to the pentagon and i have spoken to a lot of military personnel,

i am amazed at how much americans know about the world economic -- the world that we've been -- the world that we live in as a result of iraq and afghanistan. we have had in nearly 1.5 million people who have served in the last decade and they come back with a lawrence of arabia attitude toward the middle east. guest: i will make one little counterpoint there. there are fewer american journalist based in the released today than there were on 9/11. that has to do with the economics of newspapers and television, but it is still a interesting fact -- an

interesting fact based on the drug involvement of the last decade. host: can you speak to the cost of having you in israel and palestine? guest: you have an office there and you need people to support you there. you needed translators and an armored car. host: security? guest: not really, we needed an armored car and five decades. guest: in iraq and afghanistan you paper mobley $1,000 per day for security surrounding them. guest: where we were people did not necessarily always want our opinions, but in iraq and afghanistan, they targeted you.

phone.let's go to the a call from maryland. caller: i read j-post and here ts each morning. i am surprised at how diverse the views are held even by his release. they seem to have a broader and more diverse discussion that we often have here. i wonder if you have gotten into your broken in to both sides of the discussion even happening in israel. guest: we absolutely do. the point you made it is a verbatim what we have said many times.

the paper you mentioned is a very liberal newspaper and a very good one. jay post is on the conservative side in israel, but they both have very good articles, discussions, and opinion pieces. it did strike aus that the daily discussion in israel is often lacking here in the u.s.. you are looking at the right sources and getting a range of opinions. had see thosewe hav kind of debate secure the u.s. guest: the characters that we introduce you to are part of

that society that are not going along with the flow. there is one person who goes around the west bank and monitors the settlements and the expansion of settlements. on the palestinian side, we have with the military units, the paramilitary units during the intifada. there was a point at which he felt that the intifada had failed. these are events that are documented in the characters that we introduce you to in the book. host: today in the open court wall street journal" --

guest: what we see in lebanon, which is always a complicated and confusing story, affectively, a hezbollah is in control of the government there. they have had elections. the prime minister is aligned with hezbollah there. i was surprised to see this headline commission are now as opposed to a couple of months ago when his blood got in control of the government. the u.s. -- when hezbollah got in control of the government. the u.s. is a little concerned about where it could go if we send arms to hezbollah.

we witnessed two wars, one in 1996 and another in 2006, where a of hezbollah and israel were fighting across that border. guest: back in 2006, and we have a chapter in the book about this, about the war between israel and hezbollah, we spent 34 days on the border documenting the katisha katyusha -- the katish fighters. we wanted to beef up the strength of the lebanese government. what you are seeing is they are finally catching of to the political changes that are happening on the ground.

host: a man wearing an explosive bolts was arrested as he tried to enter the offices of the largest opposition group. how does that factor into the whole situation in the mideast? guest: and jordan is like all of now of the country's right n surrounding israel. normally, you have the king of jordan and a monarchy there. in the countries that are facing protests, the monarchies and seemed to be doing a and better than other families that have held onto power in a tyrannical way. they have managed to hold things together. there have been protests, but things have been mild compared to some of the other capitals. the problem with jordan is that there is a town in jordan that

is very radical. your murder -- you remember how zarqawi, who was one of the leaders the we-he was a leader for al qaeda. there are tensions between protestors, a radical islamists , and those trying to power, such as the king. host: let's go back to phone calls. caller: as long as the leaders

are planning a hard ball, there is no peace. people go on and on forever. my other point, i am very concerned -- and the world, not just the u.s. should be concerned. they have brought 150,000 army mercenaries. he said he will release them to europe as soon as he is done with them. he is paying them $300 for each person they killed.

guest: we have certainly heard a lot about these mercenaries to be annoyed. it is not clear surely how extensive their role is. guest: i have to jump in there. host: go ahead. guest: in terms of the mercenaries, they're the ones protecting him and it is the reason he is holding on to the capitol right now i have heard reports about him and i do not think we know what will happen if the fighting ends in libya. but i can tell you about an interesting town in eastern libya that is well documented, a radical town that should be watched carefully. that is where we are covering

the surge in iraq. confound all of the paperwork of the suicide bombers that were designating themselves in iraq. they found the 19% of them came from one village, one town in libya. the u.s. military did not know why. my colleague from "newsweek" went to darna a few years ago and he documented the very anti- american an atmosphere and how they were recruiting in this town. these are things that have to be wise -- how to be watched. if libya turns into basically a failed regime, that is a very dangerous situation.

host: since you just got back from africa, what you to comment on this headline -- and guest: this is an incredibly, incendiary situation. you have this pastor in florida who has taken it upon himself to burn the grant. it is a very incendiary thing to do. it has left to -- led to the death of several civilians killed by a raging mob two days ago. it is a very hard situation and it is hard to understand how this pastor in florida can justify burning the karan when we have more than 100,000 troops in can

justify burning the karan when we have more than 100,000 troops in thank you. >> that was jim fervor fendrich myre authors of this burning and who appeared on c-span washington journal. for more information, visit booktv.org. an interview with author of and for low and the sign of the buck. andrew lowe was one of stephen's prominent citizens. he was a merchant, he was an entrepreneur, he was a family man, but technically there are to andrew lows because we're talking about an uncle and a nephew and the family of low that bridge about a five

generations in the book that me and my co-author had put together. first of all, this is a scottish family. they are from the area on the east coast of scotland. the spiegel family were not the most important people around. there were tenant farmers on the lands there are the big shots in the neighborhood in scotland had been in a bitter conflict with england for years, and they had paid dearly. the scottish could not do business outside of their nation. they were banned from doing commerce in the provision higher. but those restrictions were lifted in the early 1700's, and we see the scotsman pullout over the british empire with their skills attending lectures and merging merchandise and they appear all over america. and the low family was one such scottish family.

it became a syndicate of the extended family of the lows committee isaacs, the taylors and others. it started with andrew low left lasko. he had been trained as a young accountant and businessman. and he moved to savannah, georgia, and established himself in the new century, the 1800's, the early years, and he brought a cash investment with him that would have been provided by the family member in kosko, and she said the shop in savannah as a merchant who would be dealing with goods from england. she was very prosperous bringing in goods from england and shipping out produce to england. and of course, the slave trade was part of this also but we see commerce become the center of the family of low and he brings nephews and others to work for

this enterprise. on several occasions nephews, cousins and others to try them out. it didn't work out so they find a new fit. maybe they would be captain of one of the ships that the syndicate owned or maybe they would run an office in glasscock were liverpool so the family always took care of families. the expanded and moved on. but for andrew senior the question will always be, is the were the one who should inherent my wealth and business since i am a bachelor in my holding years and the answer was that nephew andrew jr. he was to the expectation in savannah he came to savannah and extend mingled with the social crowd, something of the kunkel was too busy for, too much of a merchant to care about my time parties and things but he was

handsome, he was dubner, probably spoke with a scottish brewer that was okay and savanna since there were so many scotsman and he would slowly take over the business and prove to be an outstanding businessman. the interesting thing as we always look at that civil war mike is that injured a picture in history. if it had not occurred, what would this have done or that have done. for andrew the answer would be he probably would have been a robber baron or captain of industry. he was on that course bodying the railroads, multiplying his money, working off of them. he was by far the wealthiest man in savannah prior to the civil war. and had he not gotten so entangled in the confederacy and writing bonds, contest in missing merchandise for the federal government, he probably would have been one of those industrialists working alongside

his homeland with mr. carnegie and others. so it could have been a different story. but that war interrupted. now the interesting thing is andrew jr made so much money that allowed his children to live a life of leisure for better and worse. she had two wives both of them died early in life, complications from childbirth. the first had to living children who became very prominent in the english circles. one of them became married to an admiral might hit by the king, so she became. it's interesting to notice that we start out with a family that literally were serviceable land of the wealthy and lived in a stone hut with a thatched roof

and in that meeting the queen and another son from another child from the second marriage lived a life of leisure. his entire agenda is when will the horse races be so i can enter my horses as well as the social season in london and when does the hunting season opener in scotland. he recalled his life around that. and within that, she met a very important person, the prince of wales, queen victoria's son, and they had those weekend parties the victorians were so well known for when the infidelities' popped up and this is an interesting part of the story because william mackey was married to george to run with juliette gordon and the founder of the but as an early married

woman she is in the countryside and right across the meadow is the castle. another d.c. what's there, the lord's wife and there were good friends but were in their personal ethics. she was quickly becoming the mistress to the prince of wales. in these house parties there were all sorts of signals to mention to let you know who was available once people moved to the bedrooms. she placed outside of the door pointing to all means and ready for this or that hour and all sorts of little things like that went on and the king always had his mistress's and it's interesting to note by following the dates within the king's life that will he at the dances she

was in georgia being hosted here in savannah among his hunting trip he was on by d.c. load's father so while they were dining on the soup and talking about fishing, the lord's wife was anything but true to her husband across the ocean next door to the daughter. so these type of things probably offended the young d.c. gordon. she wasn't of that class and infidelities were not a part of her life or her life in savannah. there was another complication with her and it was her hearing going from bad to worse. she had an air of drama problem in the past and upon the marriage had a grain of rice in bed in the other ear which irritated and the tour was worse

than anything else. and she literally was deaf completely on one side and partially on the other. and that probably means it hurt so that she couldn't enjoy when people were talking and noises or bouncing. she probably saw outside of things and seemed odd to many of these ladies when she would answer one question with a completely different answer as deaf people normally do, and so she was isolated. and then the inevitable happened to her. her husband of another woman. it was rather sad, her sister-in-law had lost a child and willie low took his sister to a seaside resort to have a weekend off from all of the pressure that she had felt and there is a widow spotted mr. savannah and moved in for the kill. she was everything his wife was

not. she moved in circles, she denied those moraes command before you knew it, she had moved into the house with the lows in a separate wing. daisy low's status was sliding down as the marriage becomes a verbal assault back and forth she finds the ultimate indignity mr. low told the servants only to obey ms. bateman and not mrs. low. the handwriting was on the wall. she left her husband at this point. this was a problem in savannah and in england. these things were normally quiet down, the kings affairs were never mentioned it was not polite. marriage went on no matter what and hear this american woman was going to filed for divorce, this was unthinkable. it was a sad situation for the turn-of-the-century for this generation's low. mrs. low was at her bottom point

and has little to no allowance. the family is dividing taking sides on all of this and in the middle is this strange mrs. beeckman who has mr. savannah around her finger. unfortunately, he is kind of going down the tubes, heavy drinking is affecting him in a negative way, sort of illness and other things are clouding him. and in 1906 he did die without executing the divorce while on vacation trip with mrs. bateman to the council to the castle, the home of the west family. and that is winston churchill's stepfather's castle where they were renting. mrs. bateman inherited everything that he had. he left some money to sisters and smaller accounts and a allowance to his wife but she received almost everything.

this was very dramatic in a series of lawsuits followed which were rather scandalous to say the least. however, she finally found her own coverage when she moved out of her home she went on a trip up the nile with her sister. she met several of britain's's military geniuses and generals who were in the egyptian region at that time and she became fast friends overtime with one of them. of course he created the boy scouts of england and mrs. savannah decided this could be replicated in america. this is when she finally found her voice, and she ends up coming back to savannah to create an organization as she said for the girls in savannah, georgia, the united states and everywhere else. and she started the program of girl scouts here in savannah.

the house behind the building where we sit now was set out as the first national headquarters and girl scouts today who owned the building just the carriage house it is still their first national headquarters. they're very proud of it when they come to savannah to see the birthplace of daisy low, the always visit the first national headquarters here in savannah. and of course now we sit in the home that mrs. low knew. this was andrew low, jr.'s home he built for his first wife who never lived to see it. he brought his second wife and after her death, this house was mostly closed up except for the occasional trips to america after the civil war. because by then they were british citizens. they were not going to live in the poverty of the south after from war to read and mrs. low re