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>> he discusses his findings with former u.s. house representative and radio host, fred grandy. ♪ >> host: after i read this book, i came across a few facts that i want to run by you because i think it sets up the discussion pretty well. according today that i just saw, there's over 1200 government organizations across the country involved in intelligence, counterterrorism, and homeland security. we've got about 850,000 people with top security clearances, and the intelligence budget since september 10th, 2001, is now two and a half times it was, about 75 billion, and yet if you read this book, you have to conclude that we are not intelligently assessing the islamist threat to this country. now, all of that having been

said, what are we doing wrong? >> guest: well, fred, look, number one, thanks for being here and taking the time to do this. number one, we cannot identify the enemy. terrorism is only a tactic. there is a well-defined, well-established ideology that describes terrorism. i sat down with al-qaeda linked terrorists face-to-face, associates of bin laden saying we're not doing it because of poverty or the israeli conflicts, but we are doing this because islam's core text command us to do it. that's very politically incorrect, but this is no time to menace words. fred, as you know, this is not me saying it, but the bad guys saying it themselves. in this case, we should heed their words. know your enemy. this is something this administration and government cannot wrap its head around. >> host: why not? i mean, as you point out, and the chapter that you talk about,

this is called the ideology stupid, and you point out it's not ill literal -- it's not illiteracy or poverty or the ploys for the growing revival or whatever you want to call it, but what it always had been was a deep commitment to is realm, and -- islam and strict law. let me ask you, you do a great description in this book of what shring -- shiraia law is. >> guest: it's the fundamental thing to remember. it's incompatible with the u.s. constitution. >> host: that's not what fasal said, why is that? if you have people telling us

the law is compatible with the constitution, why? >> guest: well, look, sharia is -- there's not only a religious component to it, but all encompassing ideological system that controls every aspect of a muslim's life, and if they had their way, it would also control every aspect of a non-muslim's life. no freedom of speech, women, gays stoned do death under the society, jews and christian, second class citizens. that's only the beginning. there's also a mandate to wage violence jihad conquests. jihad not a spiritual struggle like some frame it, but jihad as a violent ideology of conquest. this is all mandated under the law. >> host: well, okay, if that's true and they are telling us that they are following a strict

adherence to a religion that mandates the law, then why, and you talk about this in the book as well -- why does our government and most of the media look at somebody like faisal or carlos, the guy involved in shooting in little rock, why are they loan wolves and continue to assume that they, and i love this term, "self-radicalized." >> guest: they are part of a larger global ideological movement. it's how the government is deceiving you about the islamic threat and frame them as lone extreme is which in every case whether it's f. hood, times square bomber last may, in every case. the obama administration claims

then as lone extremists, no connection with any movement where he was exchanging e-mails with al-qaeda's leader in yemen. the underwear bomber was trained in yemen. we had the times square bomber inspired, trained with the taliban in pakistan. yes, there are broader links, but there's a few things at work here, fred. number one, a crippling political correctness, absolutely crippling. it's very difficult -- say that islam is not a religion of peace. say sharia is a threat, that's difficult to come to grips with because that means you're at war with a good slice of the muslim population who follows islam fundamentally and follows it to the tee. that's a scarry thing to admit to our government. >> host: i want to go back to that because no less a person than george bush after 9/11 says

islam is a religion of peace. right after the young kosovo radical muslim walked into the airport in frankfort and shot american soldiers, barak obama said islam is one of the world's great religions. my sense is we want to believe that because we are a tolerant people, but there's quotes in the book from known terrorists and conspirators and collaborators saying no, it's not,; it's about submission and jihad. if we don't believe their own words, how will we ever understand the threat? >> guest: we can't, fred. that's the bottom line. look, we are starting politically incorrect off the bat. i love it. right up my alley. >> host: nowhere to go but down or out. >> guest: if your an honest person you cannot look at islam's core texts, any honest

person cannot look at them and say they are a religion of peace. any intelligently honest person can't look at the example of the prophet and say he was a man of peace. look at islam's history, current, older, this is not a religion of peace and it's dishonest to say it is. >> host: the term cropping up in this decision somewhere is "moderate muslim" or if you prefer "personal jihad," and i want to go to a couple people you quote, john brennan, the chief terrorism adviser and james clapper, the national intelligence. clapper said in front the congress, the brotherhood, the club of greater cairo and brennan said jihad is a good thing because it's like a personal struggle. now, as you have interviewed

people, studied this, if you take the average muslim imgrant to this country, do they believe that or are they up clined to be -- inclined to the text which jihad is not a personal struggle, but a global struggle for dominance and it's not achieved until people of the book, christians, jews, and other nonbelievers submit to us or are dead? >> guest: not every muslim believes that, thank god. i work with many muslims here in washington, d.c. who don't want jihad and they are truly moderate, but look, polls show, and i point them out in the book that -- this is a pugh research poll. some 13% of american-muslims support suicide bombings in some shape or form. that number rises to 26% when talking about young american muslims. that's problematic. if you estimate 10%-15% of the

world is muslims which credible evidence shows 15% are radicalized, follow the bin laden brand of islam, there's 1.6 million islams in the world, that's problematic. moderate muslims in my experience, they are brave, i worked with them, god bless them, but many times the moderate muslims i meet do not follow the cor ran fundamentally to the tee. i believe, fred, if you follow islam fundamentally, if you follow islam's core text to the tee, fundamentally, you cannot be moderate because they are not moderate text. >> host: a random example -- you talk about the somalia communities growing which has now been proven to be actively recruiting young somoli men to

work for taliban. if you're a member of the mosque in the twin cities and just believe what you just espoused. i'm going to take my faith and kind of hold it at arm's length, are you not in a pos at a time? is that not a tough case to make inside the enclave communities whether it's in minneapolis or tennessee? how do you hold that view publicly and ease spouse it to other -- ease spouse it to others without reprisal prosecute religious infrastructure that you're part of? >> guest: fred, great point. you do so at great personal risk. in the book, i outline several cases of general moderate muslims not only outcasts, but physically threatened. one brave individual named jamal in tulsa, oklahoma, the heartland, tulsa. al-qaeda carried out a new

attack, 2007, where they released a new videotape. he was outraged. he went and wrote an editorial in the "tulsa world newspaper" condemning al-qaeda saying they distorted islam. the next day he went to the local mosque, a large islamic center in tulsa. he was confronted not by just average worshipers, but the mosque's leadership physically confronted him and threatened him, called him a traitor because he wrote an op-ed condemning al-qaeda. he feared for his life. this is in the american heartland. that gives you an idea of what treely peace loving muslims are up against when they speak out. >> host: thank you for bringing up mosques. this is another figure in the book. since about 2000 or 2001, we've gone from, i think, 1200 mosques

to about 2,000. the number of these religious sanctuaries is proliferating around the country at an enormous rate. in your view, are these legitimate religious sanctuaries or battalions as they are actually described in some of the islamic writings that were uncovered at the holyland foundation trial, or i even know the prime minister of turkey had a poem that he used to quote before he became a legitimate -- >> guest: president obama's great friend. >> host: great moderate, but said mosques are battalions. are these now a place for a moderate muslim can be brought into the fold and become a potential terrorist or someone like carlos without connection at all can be brought here, radicalized, and turned on his own family and country? >> guest: fred, absolutely. look, in the book i describe how

i have been in mosques from coast to coast in america and in europe. i've been in the mosques. i interviewed the emaums. i'm on the ground, firsthand observations and experiences. i have to tell you far too many times in american mosques, and by the way, it's estimated some 80% of the mosques have saudi funding behind them. that's problematic. saudi arabia is the globalist center. 15 hijackers, yet they fund and build mosques coast to coast even though we can't build a church in saudi arabia. i've been in the mosques and the literature in many mosques in the country literally stamped on the back says made in saudi arabia. it comes from muslim brotherhood linked groups. we'll talk about that. this is right in the mofngs, and you talk to them, fred, and not

in all cases, but in many cases they can't tell you they recognize israel's right to exist and can't condemn hamas and hezbollah as terrorist groups and say this is bad for america. this is a common strain in mosques in the country, and real quick, i interviewed a former member of iran's revolutionary guard corp., the elite, most radical of the regime. he said, look, we ran operations out of the mosques in europe and the u.s., and i outlined several cases of terrorism arrests and funding coming from american mosques sad to say. >> host: the deep cover guy you talk about in the book? well, the reason i bring it up because as you probably know, the chairman of the homeland security committee in the house, peter king, has begun, i think, very gingerly, a series of hearings on the radicalization in the muslim community and vilified by the press and organizations that we'll

discussion in a minute that tear into him. can we understand this threat? can we keep from being deceived without going into these mosques and finding out exactly how deeply involved they are in sedition? that's what this is. the last time i looked, that was still a crime. >> guest: sure. you can't have a firm grasp of what's gong on in the muslim community without a presence in the community. the prosk is the center of the -- mosque is the center of the community. you bring up the numbers, fred. we had 1200 mosques just ten years ago in america. that number nearly doweled in ten years. it's not a coincidence. the strategy for the saudis. i've seen this. i've been in islamic enclaves throughout the large build large

megamosques, multimillion dollar projects stretching over several city blocks. that's the center of the activity for the local community, it's more than a place of worship. it's a meeting place, and in some cases a plotting place. a mosque is built many times, the property around the mosque is bought. muslims move into the homes around the mosque. the store fronts, everything is arabic, and you say, wow, this neighborhood changed rapidly, but this is has been the blueprint in europe, and all the sudden there's a self-segregating islamic enclave within a major western city. this happened time after time. i witnessed it in great britain. places like sweden, there's no go-zones for police in the large muslim enclaves in europe and a place in america is developing into that, but the hub, these center of activities in each of the cases is, yes, the mosque. >> host: all right. you mentioned that they are

going up all over the country. one of the ones you talk about is the islamic center of tennessee. we have been focused on the ground zero one in manhattan and large facilities in northern virginia, but this is on 52,000 square feet in a tiny suburb of nashville, all right? why? what's the strategy there? you talk about this in the book, and, you know, i had a guy from the defense department tell me this is very much in keeping with what ma urges i called the war of position. you move through the countryside, you leave deposits of your belief and ideology and infrastructure and by the time you get to where you want to go, you've essentially got heads everywhere you want to be. is that's what's going on? >> guest: absolutely, i do. the broad geographic scope of the megamosque growing in the

country, tennessee, this is the buckle of the bible belt. alaska broke ground, rural wisconsin, northern kentucky, places you would never expect, and the key thing, fred, is they have very small muslim communities. tennessee which i described in book, i was on the ground there at the mosque; there's no more than 50 muslim -- 250 muslims in the area, yet they build a 52,000 square foot mosque, 50 acres of land, absolutely massive. i was there on the ground, saw what they're going to do, and there's multiple buildings. why? why do you need such a large structure for a small community? that's the question in the megamosque projects around the country. i up vest gaited them and outline it in the book. why? what is the end game here and the goal? i talk to local activists in the town in tennessee and we feel they are targeting us because

this is kind of the center of the bible belt. nashville is where gospel music and bibles are printed. they feel it's a distribute premeditated assault on really the heart of christian america. >> host: if that's true, why did the counsel approve the mosque? political correctness, money, a combination of the two? >> guest: political correctness and ignorance. i interviewed the mayor of rutterford county tennessee, and he didn't know the first thing about islam, about the muslim brotherhood, didn't know anything about the funding sources to this mosque because they have still not come clean about where the money is coming from, and that's a common theme in all of these mosques going up, these controversial mosques. they can't tell you where the money is coming from, and i saw the congregation in murphiesboro, the cab drivers,

college students, some professional types, but i didn't see the means to raise millions of dollars. i mean, it just didn't seem like it was there. i say the same thing in a humbled church community in dc. i just didn't see it. i asked the emaum where the money was from, and he said it's locally raised. such a small community, not an affluent muslim community, i just don't see it, fred. you look at saudi funding. as i said, 80%, and there must be a bigger force at work. it's just the facts. >> host: let's talk about saudi money. you point out 80% of the mosques built in the country are probably getting some kind of infusion of saudi money. if they are essentially the money people, are the operation people, the communication, the public relation infrastructure,

the so-called chief operating officers of the growing infrastructure of the muslim brotherhood, is that fair to say? i want to talk about the muslim brotherhood. that seems to be part of the threat that we either do not acknowledge or no about, but won't talk about. >> guest: the saudis provide the money and the brotherhood provide the ideology. the brotherhood who ascended now in egypt and may gain control in that country, in the 1950s, 60, the egyptian government where the brotherhood was founded e just a minute cracked down, killed them, some of the leading lightings then relocated to saudi arabia, found refuge there, hooked up with the saudi government freding and from there, brotherhood operatives with dollars spread out across europe, america, the mosques

were built, the enclaves were created so while the brotherhood and saw dis don't see eye to eye on some things, they have worked closely in the islamization of the west. >> host: does that mean that their goal is the complete islamization of the west? talking about europe or the united states. in other words, they want -- i don't want to put words in your mouth here -- but in the book you indicate this the goal is nothing less than putting in the united states and for that matter the western world under their law which is antithetical hoe we live -- how we live our lives. >> guest: china, japan, the end game, it doesn't matter, the end game is not just sharia states, but a world governed by them. that's their own statements, fred, that i outlined in the book. the end game is a world governed

by sharia. they want to establish what they call a califate, an islamic superstate, all the nations together in one united block to take on the west, to take on all infidels and subvert them to the law of sharias. that's the end game, doesn't matter the brotherhood or al-qaeda, that's the game. they have different tactics, but the end game is the same. >> host: let's talk about the means to the end because if the brotherhood is the overarching holding company if you will, of the strict ideology, would it be fair to say that some of their tactical units would be organizations like the counsel on american islamic relations or the muslim student association or the northern islamic trust? you know these obviously because they are part of the holyland found cation trial proceeding, but how much should we trust these organizations? from my experience they are very

political in this country, know what to say, how to say it and how to take criticism about perhaps a threat and turn it into the plight against the religion and culture which gets americans to back off. >> host: islamphobia. >> guest: what you have to remember is the alphabet soup of american-muslim organizations who are the spokesmen, the islamic society of north america, msa, muslim students association, all of the groups or at least 95% of them were named in muslim brotherhood documents. in the brotherhood's own documents. it's their own documents uncovered by our fbi. actually, fred, just a few minutes from where we sit in northern virginia outside of dc during a raid in 2004, the fbi

uncovered muslim brotherhood documents in virginia at a home of a lead r american-muslim operative that named several of the groups who you see on cnn, fox news, msnbc purporting to be spokesman, they identify them as "our friends," friends of the brotherhood. subversive organizations that have no place in american society. >> host: but why? where are they so -- why are they so good at getting -- i mean, i want to talk about the level of infiltration here because this is something that the soviets dreamed of, however the infrastructure in law enforcement and in our courts and education and media and now the highest levels of government, if what you say in the book is true, indicates that there are operatives almost everywhere we turn. how do you get rid of these folks and how do you begin that process because from what i can

see, neither party in congress and certainly this administration nor the previous administration has done anything to say how can we help? >> guest: sure. number one, a few things to remember here, fred. how they've been able to continue to integrate themselves here. they don't look the part. these muslim brotherhood operatives in america they are wearing suits and ties. they are we were educated, eloquent, well-spoken, intelligent, they don't look like jihaddists, and their tactics are different than al-qaeda. the end game is the same. shar iring's a globally including here in america, but the brotherhood is very patient, very stealthy. they'll wait 100 years to obtain their goals. al-qaeda wants to kill you now, the brotherhood says we can do this through legal means and getting legislated, by getting jobs in the educational system, by getting jobs in the media.

we can do this legally. the final stage, of course; is violent jihad when they are strong enough. there's a reason though that bin laden, and all of these al-qaeda leading lights before they formed al-qaeda, as young mep, they were members of the muslim brotherhood. the brotherhood is the gateway to violent jihad. as many young american-muslims in america are discovering. >> host: you talk about the kind of -- the jihads, hezbollah, is that kind of a good cop-bad cop scenario know when they look well-dressed and well spoken and the nicest guy in the room sitting down with certainly president bush and president clinton, and president obama, high levels of defense department and homeland security saying we just want to help our community help you, and yet at

the same time, you got bin laden being killed, and you have people saying we're winning this war. to me, there seems to be a very subtle fusion going on that makes us think we're winning when we're not? >> guest: that's true. this is -- bin laden is one part of it. al-qaeda still thrives, you but you have the likes of brotherhood, iran, hezbollah, and with the brotherhood in many cases you don't see them coming. if they gain power in e just a minute, it's not -- egypt, it's not just bad for israel, the northern neighbor, but bad for america because the law will be the goal. i can tell you, i was in israel, in jerusalem meeting with israeli government officials in february as mubarak was out the door. they were very, very concerned to see the least that egypt, in the muslim brotherhood's hands.

look no further than the spiritual leader, usaf, a big star, the global spiritual leader of the muslim brotherhood, a guy who said we will conquer the west. this is a guy with probably tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of add heerpts who watch the show. muslims, we will conquer the west not through violence jihad, but through nonviolencely through demographics. deem graphics jihad and once we're there, we'll building mosques, that's how we're going to conquer the west. that's what they are saying. it's great that one of the leaders of the vinted wing of the jihaddists is gone, but much, much broader than just

him. fred, much broader than al-qaeda. this administration has tunnel vision. when they talk about the war on terror, i call it the war against islam fascism, they talk about al-qaeda. they are only getting stronger and stronger. iran, another topic. hezbollah, it's so much broader than al-qaeda. >> host: it seems to me the am jihaddists that works for -- analogy that works for the pieces to fit is in world war ii said we were in war with ramal and not hitler. there's a subdivision. is it fair to say that some of the others that were -- certainly hamas, a direct descendant are that, they are children. the parent is the muslim brotherhood, and yet we continue to focus on the top.

>> guest: great point. bin laden wronged to the brotherhood before al-qaeda, and they wronged to that group for a reason. the brotherhood lays the ground wok and they lay the work for al-qaeda. hamas and the charter identifies itself, self-identifies itself as the palestinian arm of the muslim brotherhood. hamas is the brotherhood, yet president obama asks israel to negotiate with them. look, the brotherhood is absolutely the satellite organization, yet the obama administration, fred, made a conscious decision to work with the muslim brotherhood. they empowered them in egypt. they had to know when mubarak was out the door, the biggest beneficiary would be the brotherhood. they had to know that. any observer knew that the largest, most organized, most powerful opposition force was the muslim brotherhood. this administration thinks that because of the brotherhood is not blowing anyone up yet that they can work with them and use them against al die da.

it>> host: if you looked at the mainstream reporting, you got the feeling there was a bunch of kids with blackberries in tahir facebooking their way to freedom. now, the muslim brotherhood from everything i can tell is a very sophisticated political organization. republicans and democrats should be as vertically integrated as these guys are. what i'm hearing you say is after the euphoria of the overthrow is over, it's the people on the ground with the organization that will finish the revolution. is that going to happen in egypt? >> guest: absolutely. i think this revolution in egypt to some degree took the brotherhood by surprise a bit, but once they caught on, they caught on quickly, and these young blackberry toting facebook loving egyptians, god bless them who started the revolution ring they were quickly pushed aside. the strongest key thing, most ruthless force in egypt is the

muslim brotherhood, and they have quickly worked through the system. they are getting stronger and stronger. we see reports every day, and even in the new "new york times" who trumpeted this as the great arab spring, they are publishing articles now, fred, warning about the rise of radical islam in egypt curtesy of the muslim brotherhood, christian churches are bunt to the ground, christians attacked. these are the fruits of empowering the muslim brotherhood and the obama administration, i'll never forget is a quo a few days after mubarak fell, robert gibbs, former press secretary said we want all parties in egypt involved in the political process including, and he specifically mentioned this, non-secular parties. hello, the muslim brotherhood. this is madness. >> host: yeah, i don't see the christians involved. i want to get into more thoughts on the arab spring in a moment,

but i don't want to miss the opportunity to find out how a young 25-year-old freelance reporter in phillie became so involved in domestic terrorism, the pursuit thereof, and stealth or civilization jihad. this is your book of business, pretty much all you do now. how did you get from here to there? what got you? was it 9/11? >> guest: it was. it was a water shed moment in our lives and mine as well, fred. i started out, and first of all, i dedicate the book to my fare who was a para trooper for the 101st airborne, a patriot, loved the military and this country, and for a kid in northeast philadelphia working class, very interesting dinner table conversations about the raid, about stalin grad, king david, al exapedder the great, he was the most well-read man i met, brilliant, and he schooled me on these tommics. --

topics. i had a passion for middle east policy from a young age. >> host: well-schooled, but not an intellectual; right? >> guest: no, my father was a high school dropout. >> host: self-taught. >> guest: ferocious intellectual, a veer rashes reader and self-taught, self-made, and an electrician in a factory. he came home, read, converse, he lived and breathed this stuff and instilled that passion in me. when 9/11 rolled around, i was covering sports. i'm an exbasketball player, covering the nba, living in new york a few months before 9/11. sports writing didn't do it for me, and i was searching and had the passion for the subject material. 9/11 happened, and long story short, i threw everything i could, fred, on 9/12, i bought a koran, first law of war, know

your enemy. i said i better read it. i wish more members of the political class on both sides of the aisle did the same thing, but sadly, they have not. i immersed myself in this, studied intensively for a year, devoured everything i got my hands on and it was the point where i'm a writer, threw my hat in the ring, a great patriot gave me my first shot and it's been an eye-opening ride sense. >> host: you have to admit you're a small elite group going after there. this. there's you, david, patrick poole, maybe a few others, but you are a tiny coalition up against -- >> guest: too small -- >> host: against others who say it's not a problem. the problem with guys like that is they come from a position of intolerance, and yet one of the things that i notice in this book is nothing that you say is

not backed up by facts. it backed up by verses within the cor ran. this has to be for frustrating for somebody like you, on the case for ten years, and we're further away from understanding our enemy following what you said. does that mean we don't understand ourselves in this country? >> guest: yes. fred, you summed it up. there is complete -- we live in the greatest nation in the greatest civilization in the history of mankind, america, but also jew -- judio-christians. there's guilt, we are imperialist aggressor oppressing muslims, been a force for evil throughout the world. that is the mainstream line of thought running for the political left and many of our

elite institutions, universities, government, mainstream media, and i hate to make a statement, but i've seen it, i'm in the washington, d.c., in the halls of power, and i see this self-loathing for western civilization. there's an attraction for anything that's not western, so there's a natural sympathy with islam that they're victims. the palestinians are victims of the western style israelis. that's a strain running through, and young people, they are being taught this revisionist american history not only revisionist american history in our schools, in public schools and universities. there's a lot of confusion, and there's a lack of pride, a lack of sense, a lack of self-worth in western man now, and great britain as i outline in the book, there's a chapter in there a cautionary tale, great britain is the center of this western

suicide. >> host: you know, bernard louis, a score lar said that europe will probably be islamist by the end of the century. do you buy into that? is that a possibility? are they moving with that kind of momentum? >> guest: so rapidly, and i think he's too conservative. i can see in great britain and people say that's crazy. no, it's not just me saying this. leading scholars have said this, great britain some say by the year 2050 will have self-se grated muslim enclaves living outside common law, and we are already seeing it. there's 87sharia courts functioning now in great britain outside of common law and there's no go zones in the country where police do not veepture. this is great britain. winston churchill is turning in his grave. >> host: there's a report that

said there's no less than 50sharia cases in american courts most having to do with custody laws and family law, but nonetheless, that's a shocking statistic for a country that supposedly says through, you know, the 6th amendment, the supreme court will be the supreme law of the land. how can that co-exist? >> guest: it can't. people don't know this is going on. like you said, it starts out in marital disputes, a divorce court type thing. i want to divorce my wife, my husband beats me. that's how it started in great britain and there's a tribal elder, one of the pillars of the muslim neighborhood in britain, sweden or france, agenting as judge and jury, literally handing down rulings for married couples in the west, muslim couples in the west agenting outside the --

acting outside the law of the west. it happens slowly, but len noncalled them -- lennon called them useful id yules. the top christian authority in great britain saying this? giving them an okay to agent outside british common law? when you have people in positions of authority, it hastens the downful and the american people do not know this is going on. if they did, they would be outraged, and that's why i wrote the book. >> host: we have a directer in the community talking to my wife about this when she was questioning him on the interfaith counseling that is going on, and she said, well, what about the muslim brotherhood, what about the assaults against christians in egypt and elsewhere? the reaction was from an e missing pi call priest, said, well, it's their time.

the willful blindness, and this is your term in the book to me is what may undo this country. if something cat strofg happens here, we will be accessories after the fact, if not full conspirators. >> guest: history books written 75 years from now, they'll look back at the generation and cuss and shake their fists at us at what we didn't do as this threat was rising to just accept this to acquiesce to the rise of islam is suicide. i can talk about the political left in specific. they don't know who they are getting in bed with here. they really don't know how ruthless these guys are, how hateful, how violent they are, yet i go to congressman king's hearings you mentioned earlier. i was there. every single democrat on that panel derided the hearings as a

witch hunt provided by -- a muslim brotherhood funded group -- >> host: we hang with the same crowd evidently. >> guest: we do, we do. the iranian revolution, when the hamani came to power, one of the water shed moments of modern history in a bad way, he was helped by the socialist, the come mewists, the marxists, the lefts in iran. they were behind him. first thing he did coming to power three months after, lined up, rounded up the left, the socialists in iran, had them thrown in jail or executed so it's a cautionary tale, a word of warning for the left when you're going to bat for sharia islam, you don't know what

you're getting into. >> host: the arab spring, a term i'm suspect, but as you look at what is unfolding there, certainly to the north and now to the south of israel, is this the beginning of an islam spring or long islamic winter? >> guest: if you look the the countries affected by the so-called arab spring, the biggest most likely beneficiary are islamists. in egypt, there's the brotherhood, in libya it's the brotherhood and al-qaeda types. in syria, we don't know. i personally would not be sad to see the assad regime go, but there's a worry of brotherhood gaining power in syria. in bahrain, al-qaeda just conquered two towns in yes , ma'am yen, al -- yemen. they are seeing some islamist stirrings, in each of the countries, the most likely

beneficiary are islamists. you could see, i think, even -- it sounds crazy, fred, but a push for a renewed call fate if you see islamic forces come to power in the middle east, you can see a push for unity, and i can tell you iran is looking to unify the muslim world against israel first, america second. america's the ultimate prize. >> host: in your book you talk the saturday people and the sunday people. the saturday people are the is recalllies, the jews. christians are the sunday people. what is 9 future of israel under this scenario, and if you are benjamin netanyahu right now, are you at a point where you have to pull the trigger first because if he does, you know what the world reaction will be. >> guest: if he does, if it is an offensive operation or a defensive operation, fred, the world reaction will be outramming and castigating israel, and not even sanctions this time around, including this

country. after 2012 when, if president obama is reelected, post-2012, he'd have nothing holding him back from carrying out his full fury against israel. this is a man, who in my opinion, and not just opinion, but from looking at his policies and looking at his posture sitting with benjamin netanyahu in the oval office last week when he was schooled by benjamin netanyahu, this is a man who does not like israel. there's a visceral dislike of israel from this administration. we'll get to that in a second, but back to israel pulling the trigger first. with iran, yes. israel is facing a threat. this administration will not strike iran militarily. there's no se scenario under which they would do that. they should. i'm not a warmonger. we are already tied up, but the only way you're going to stop iran from going nuclear is

military force because sanctions are great, but at the end of the day, they are not going to work. at the end of the day this iranian regime is motivated by, again, an ideology. it's a messy apock lippic ideology. they believe, fred, and shape policy around this, iranian government truly believes they can usher in the end times. >> host: the 12th emam? >> guest: yes. he's the islamic messiah. this sounds crazy, i know, but they believe it. the likes of ahmadinejad. they believe if they strike out against is recall, there's a time of global chaos which we see now with the arab spring, they believe that can hasten the return of the islamic messiah to lead them to victory over israel and the west. acquiring nuclear weapons is part of that devine plan.

nothing will detour them or lead them away from the goal. they believe it's devinely set and they will use those weapons. one of the precursors to the return of the islamic messiah, and i don't mean to get too into it, but one of the precursors is conquering jerusalem. that's one of the precursors in the insane belief system. >> host: saying that, and this is coming from the palestinian communities, if you just make an equitable division of israel and jerusalem, everything will be fine, but, of course, there was no israel prior to 1968, and the -- 1948, and the revolution goes back to 700 ad. what about the 700 years in between where there was a small amount of violence, spain comes to mind, most of the middle

east. >> guest: fred, such a great point. no one mentions it. right now israel is blamed for all of our ills. al-qaeda wants to blows up because of israel, because we support the jews. it's israel's fault and only if they give more land or give up their nuclear program some say, if only israel basically would cease to defend itself, then there's peace. the islamists will leave us alone here in the west. well, from the year 632ad roaring out of the arabian peninsula until 1948 when israel was reestablished, oh, gosh, 1400 years there? a long period, we saw wave after wave after wave of islamic conquest and jihad against the west. israel did not exist during this period yet. we saw spain, sicily, greece, the balcans, romanian conquered. they drove into central france,

got to the gates of vienna twice. this is nothing to do with israel and nothing to do with jews. israel is the canary in the coal mine in the fight, the first line of defense for western civilization. >> host: let's talk the defense of western civilization. people will read this and say what can i do? way can i do as a citizen? what can my government do? give us some suggestions as to what somebody who picks this book up and goes, oh my good, what's my role in this? what is it? >> guest: we talk about these issues a lot. that's always the question we get. i travel the country giving speeches. number one, i implore you, get informed. you don't have to be an islam expert, buy the book, but don't have to be an expert or a political junk ky, but put down your ipod, turn off the game,

american idol, 15-20 minutes a day and get informed on what's going on in the world. you owe it to yourself, kids, and grandchildren. big changes are happening now in the muslim world you need to know about. as i described in the book, it's in your backyard. >> host: if you just read conventional media, you're going to get that impression that this is the dividend from generations of american imperialism. how do you get around that? you want to read your book, but where can you educate yourselves? >> guest: thank god for the web. jihadwatch.org is an invaluable website. jihadwatch.org. the drudge report, you know, a great site. i recommend just off the top of my head, jihadwatch.org is a great place. you have facebook, twitter, social media, you can find people concerned about this jihaddist threat. think of the tea party, grass

roots. there are groups, act for america is a good group in the u.s., a very good group devoted to this jihaddist threat. atlas shrug is a great site. get with like-minded people, get heard, get to your congressman, federal local state, federal officials, get in their ears. make your voice heard. i'm hear in dc, fred, when you flood their offices with phone calls, hey, there's a mosque built down the strait that's not a peaceful mosque. that's peddling muslim brotherhood saw di literature. they will listen. pressure works. >> host: pressure in congress -- they seem to at least be slow taking up this manner. peter king notwithstanding. you talk about organizations like care ornate or any of the groups that are affiliates. why are they legal and why are they getting tax exempt status and why aren't americans able to

put those questions to members of congress with the complete jurisdiction over the tax code and tax exempt status saying why are we indirectly funding terrorism if we give money to care that raises money for hamas? >> guest: fred, the million dollar question not only this administration, but under the bush administration l, the last administration. why are the groups even legal? care and isna, the largest influ enissue groups in america, the largest terrorism financing trial in american history, the holyland foundation trial of 2007 and 2008, which is online by the way, yes, all the documents, indictments, the results of it, but both of these groups were named as unindicted co-conspirators, yet there's an open door to our white house. it's madness, yet they advice the fbi on sensitivity training for the muslim community. this is the fox inside the hen house.

>> host: didn't you write about a guy who was at fort hood about two weeks after nadal advising kind of caution. this guy is a member of the muslim brotherhood? >> guest: leading official of isna, an acknowledged muslim brotherhood front, and a month after the fort hood shootings lectured on islam to u.s. troops at fort hood. you can't make this up. >> host: you have to ask yourself who is watching the store? again, it seems to me that americans need to wake up to what this is, and it still is difficult because there seems to be pushback from their elected representatives, local, national, even law enforcement. why is that? has the infiltration become so successful that there's now a kind of bedrock core of

islamists inside our infrastructure, government, media, education? >> guest: right. the infiltration is so deep, fred, and it's a lack of intellectual curiosity. a simple google search could give you information about the ties of these muslim brotherhood front groups. you google isna terrorism, you find everything you need to know, yet apparently, our government officials and federal law enforcement, in many cases federal law enforcement officials are not doing that background research ring are not exercising that do diligence, and in many cases, the sad fact is, fred, they just don't think the muslim brotherhood is a great threat. tunnel vision, al-qaeda, violent jihad. >> host: it's occurred to me that if the muslim brotherhood is powerful, first of all, should be illegal itself, but secondarily, if they are underwriting sedition in the country, an unlawful act, why

can't we go after them and clearly this is an organization preventing a greater threat than the mofia and yet the reck tiering statutes are in place, nobody talks about that, why not? is that a way to go after them you think? >> guest: absolutely. the holyland foundation trial were on the right track, but nobody's moving, and the department of justice, our phren, patrick poole, broke a story a month ago how this department of justice, eric holder threw out cases against muslim operatives out the wipe doe, why? >> guest: i want to close this out by going back to your dad because it seems to me one of the things that may be competing with our ability to fully understand this threat is there are not enough guys like your

dad anymore. there's not enough people that fought for this country, were received well when they came back, or perhaps had to deal with adverse politics. is that true? are we missing a generation now who have, perhaps so enshrined our freedom that we don't appreciate what they fought and won for? >> guest: i was raised right as they say. i had strong family unit, strong influences, raise the the right way, nothing was handed to me, and today, there's a sense of entitlement in this country, and there's so many distractionses with video games, interpret, text messages, everything. people are not as grounded. we are talking face-to-face, fred, sometimes people are across the classroom and instead of talking, you text them. there's an attention deficit. who has the time to sit down and read the book?

one word of encouragement is atravel the country and talk a lot of times to young people, and i see this younger generation coming up. i've seen definite glimmers hope. they are getting it, grounded, and starting to get it. that's a word of encouragement before i go because there's hope, not hope in change, but genuine hope. younger generation. >> host: one other group is women. if anybody has a vested interest in preventing this law from becoming coexistent with our present statutes, it's them. do you agree? >> guest: right. where are the feminists on this? i have a wife and two daughters. i'm doing this ultimately for them. >> host: you can start by reading "the terrorists next door." erick stakelbeck, thank you what you're doing. keep up the fight, god knows we need you. >> guest: thank you, fred. i really appreciate it. >> host: thank