involvement just as he and his colleagues made a difference in the second world war nothing can change. as i mentioned before there is a general sense of malaise that we don't have the power to make things happen. he is living proof of that. >> we publish that in september. >> cary goldstein the personal how far in advance do you have these books plant? >> i am fully scheduled through august of 2012. three books in fall 2012 season that are likely. projects come up and we are very selective. we have some peculiar demands and folks that work well on some lists because of our expectations, may not be right for us. we try to allow room for that surprise book that everybody is passionate about and we can make work in a really big way with

the kind of focus, a more expensive list cannot. >> cary goldstein is publisher and editor-in-chief of 12books.com is a website. >> senator mike lee is reading it is dangerous to the right when the government is wrong by judge andrew napolitano. >> visit booktv.org to see this and other summer reading lists. >> next on booktv republican congressman james rogan 3 counts his role in the impeachment trial of president bill clinton and the affect the verdict had on the executive branch. the author contends by not executing impeachment proceedings against the president a precedent would have been set allowing future presidents to remain above the law. this is about 50 minutes.

>> you admire james rogan. you have to read the book rough edges which many of you probably have. we premiered it here when it first came out. it is about his life from welfare to washington. it is fascinating because he has in toward -- in toward a tough life which all of a sudden said this isn't for me and picked himself up and dusted himself off and went on to be very successful in public service. he is a good friend of ours. he first met richard nixon because he has an obsession with presidential and political memorabilia. it is an obsession. i won't let his wife get up and

talk about how much of that sending carotid in boxes or how much of it is in his office or how much of it is all over his home but he has been kind enough to share a lot of it with us. we have much of it on display here. that is when he first met richard nixon as a young man and he will probably tell you more about that. he is a neighbor. he was a member of our board for quite some time before he went on the bench two or three years ago. his life in public service and the legal profession began in 83 when he graduated from law school. he was a practicing attorney, very successful in private legal practice. he was deputy d.a. in los

angeles. he was the youngest municipal court judge elected serving in glendale. he went on to be a congressman. you know him as a congressman. he also served as undersecretary of commerce in washington after serving as congressman and he was head of our patent office and he came back here and did some private practice and was drafted into the judiciary. where he now serves. he has done not only rough edges which was a fascinating book of our his life but has done catching our flag -- "catching our flag" which you are here to hear about. that book deals with his assignment as one of the principal managers to help on prosecution of the president, president clinton a few years

ago. he kept copious notes and has never talked about it publicly but decided to commit his memory and his notes to a book just for archives and for the sake of history. you are here to hear about that and it is my pleasure to introduce him, congressman james rogan. [applause] >> thank you, sir. thank you. sandy and i are old friends. i have known him for 20 years. special thanks to all my friends at the nixon library foundation for hosting this. for those of us in north orange county or anywhere in southern california at you know what a great resource the nixon library is. a number of programs they put on for kids and other thing they do and i am especially grateful for the -- who work here and some of them are here tonight. can we have a round of applause

for those who do a great job? [applause] >> if you will allow me a moment as we used to say in congress a point of personal privilege. if i were going through all the introduction by would like to do, i would use up my time but i have a number of dear friends and family, colleagues from the bench. i have to introduce the judges. when a judge doesn't get introduced you never hear the end of it. my colleague judge stanford from superior court. [applause] >> and judge craig griffin. my other colleagues. [applause] >> special love and thanks for people who worked on my assembly and congressional staff that are here as well. i wasn't going to talk too much about this but since sandy gave me the deduction will.

richard nixon played a very important role in my young life. i grew up in san francisco in this very blue-collar low-income family and we were all union democrats. affair with every republican in san francisco i never met one. i was the total political junkie. i love history, government and politics. in 1972 when president nixon was running for reelection i was 14 years old and i get this thing in the mail that says we have a group called young voters for the president and if you're between 18, and 40 you can pay for $240. we will put you on a charter plane, fly you to miami beach for the republican national convention, everything paid for and you can get into the convention. and i at $240 from side jobs. i was 14. i learned that an early age it is better to ask forgiveness

than ask permission. i walked to the local 711 and got a money order for $240 and sent it in and when my mom came home later i said i am going to miami beach by myself for a week. i am going to get on this airplane. i am going to fly to miami from california and spend a week there and probably come home at the end of the week. my mother said you are 14. you can't do that. you can't go 3,000 miles away all by yourself with no parental supervision. i said i am going to be with 20,000 republicans. how much trouble can i get into? and she said you can go. i had this impression, and must be honest, of republicans, they have no fun and this is going to be 20,000 boring people. i will get on this plane but i will have a chance to collect

lots of political memorabilia for my collection. i take this plane to l a x where they have a holding a area at midnight and they put us on a charter plane filled up with young voters for the president. i had never been on a chartered plane before. i learned when you get on a charter plane of 18-40-year-olds there's no waiting for the pilot to say we are now at cruising altitude and you can get out of your seat. that plane was not 10 seconds in the air everyone was out of their seat and made a beeline for the liquor cabinet and started passing out booze all over the plane. within minutes of these people are dancing, drinking and having a big party and i am trying to look as old and mature as possible. the only person who wasn't that way was my seat mate. i will put her at 28 or so. she was sitting at me and was out of central casting if you were looking for -- hair in a bun but the up and everything. someone offered her a glass of wine.

she took it and another and another. as we are flying for hours she started to complain it was getting hot on this airplane. the bun came out of her hair and buttons started getting done button. i am going to guess we were over kansas when she is looking at me after 12 drinks and she says you are a really nice guy. you seem like you are easy to talk to. can i tell you a secret? i said sure. she said i have a personality disorder. that piqued my interest. i said what is it? she said i am a nymphomaniac.

i must tell you, as one who was educated in the public school of the san francisco bay area i did not know much geometry but i knew what that meant. she looked at me and she said how old are you? and i said 37. the point of this is from that experience going to miami beach seeing president nixon renominated for a second term as president almost four years ago i came home and learned a valuable lesson that in america there truly is a vibrant tea party system and san francisco democrats should not be so narrow minded. i guess i should move on to the subject i am here to talk about which is my book and are want to make a preliminary observation. there is a fellow named bob packwood who is a former united

states senator and in my opinion he is very bad for history. some of you may remember the name. he was senator for 25 years and 20 years ago he was accused of sexual harassment from some staffers and lobbyists and as the senate was investigating this somewhere it turned out somebody disclosed for 25 years every single day he took very copious notes. he kept a daily diary. he now or we wrote down his legislative issues. he also found themselves compelled to report things like what he ate at day and what clothes he wore and every pass he ever made at another woman and when this came out the senate subpoena his diary and he ended up having to resign from office and so forth. when i got to washington as this total history junkie who always felt more like a frustrated historian than a politician i felt was important whatever time

i was there to keep a careful diary. during president clinton's impeachment i got on the judiciary committee one day before the monica lynn ski story was revealed and i knew if somebody didn't keep a careful record they would have to rely on faulty logic or even fall the motives. from the very first day i brought my legal pads to every meeting to take notes and get the words as they came out of people's golf. for future historians this would be a valuable archives. congressman sitting next to be looked at me and said are you keeping a diary? i said yes. this could be important history. he shook his head had said that violates the pact would rule. you can't keep a diary. i said what is the pack would rule? he says they can subpoena would you don't write down. look around a room. you see anybody else keeping

notes? and looked around vote room and occasional from a doodle or something i didn't see anyone else doing it. i said that is interesting but this is important so i kept writing. he said dumb ass. that was his impression. but i felt this would be a very important archive. the question is why publish this now? whar not doing 11 or 12 years ago? i had a number of people in a publishing contract. everyone knew are was keeping a diary after a while and people seemed not to care. it became background noise. after president clinton's impeachment 12 years ago i had a bunch of publishers say this would be a great book and i refuse to write the book. i did not feel that was the time to write the book. i didn't want to write a book when i was still in congress or might be tempted to, my participation or appease an angry electorate back home and also fought in fairness to president clinton and everybody involved that i should wait at

least ten years to let passions cool and try to be far more objective. that is why i waited all this time. when i was defeated for reelection after the clinton impeachment as a result of the clinton impeachment the first guy to take me out to lunch who needed a free lunch with newt gingrich. he took me to lunch and started -- he started planning my life for me during the lunch and writing down you need to write several books but impeachment is not your first book. you're first should be the one sandy told you about. i took his advice and quite frankly the reason i wrote the first book, rough edges, which talked about how i got to washington was he encouraged me. he thought it would be very inspirational and the book sold out. i still get people sending it to me eight years later to sign it which is very gratifying although i tend to find borrow

copies -- the premise of the book is important to this story. my mom was not the traditional mother of a future congressman but a single mother raising four kids. she was a convicted felon who has been in and out of jail. are dropped out of high school in tenth grade. i went to work to support the family and so forth. i was running with a bad crop. we read getting in trouble with cars and all these things. at some point i decided if i am going to run for congress which was my goal from fourth grade i probably have to straighten up and get an education. the book chronicles how tough it is for kids that live from that kind of life to turn their lives around. it can be done if you look at it. so i felt the story of how i got through college and law school bartending all over hollywood. i worked in a female wrestling bark and a whole angels bar and

an all black bar. i worked for three or four days as a bouncer at a pornographic movie theater. all the things to prepare you for life in congress. when i was in congress are loved to listen to somebody named kennedy lecture me about what it was like to be born. that was very illuminating. i wrote this book first for another reason. i wrote the book because when we were going through this impeachment exercise i kept hearing over and over that these guys are impeaching bill clinton because they are a bunch of puritanical stiff trying to punish him for making a personal mistake and nothing could have been further from the truth. that is what the book, the new book is about. what really lead to the impeachment of president clinton and all of these mistaken or false assumptions people have out there that are just the opposite of what was really

happening behind the scenes, i get to congress after this 30 year voyage and the reason might argue about this background is you need to know something. when someone comes from that background and set their goal to be a congressman and work their heart out for 30 years i was in no hurry. i was not there to blow away a career to get even with some guy for having an affair particularly after i had this rather checkered background. i get to washington d.c. for what they call freshman orientation. i got elected and we were back in d.c. with how to be a congressman and one of the great heroes in congress when i was there called me, he was chairman of the house judiciary. before impeachment where henry got pretty beat up, he was one of the most beloved and respected members of the house. he was a renaissance man almost in the nineteenth century

standard. he was funny, charming, brilliant be declined, everyone loved him. as chairman of the house judiciary committee invited me to see him being a former gang murder prosecutor and former judge it was my hope he would ask me to be on the dish here committee and when i mentioned it to a few senior congress men they all went apoplectic. the senior member from new york who was chairman of the republican congressional campaign committee charged with getting as reelected sat me down and said you have to turn that down. the judiciary committee will be the death knell in your district. you represent most of the hollywood movie studios. it is a big democratic district. you won with 51% one the top of your ticket got blown out of your county by 20 points. you can't be on the judiciary committee. last thing you need is being on tv every day fighting with barney frank and maxine waters

over guns and abortion. you need to get on the commerce committee. i went and saw chairman hyde and he invited me to join the committee and i am flattered but the answer is no. have to get on the commerce committee. i will deal with you on the vote. i am a social conservative but i don't need to get into the infighting. the next year henry kept coming and approaching me saying you are the guy i want on the committee. i would love to have you and for the same year i kept rebuffing him a nice way and for the end of my first year in congress, he said you are a member of -- you have got most of those hollywood movie studios in your district, the entertainment industry. their lifeblood is intellectual property and protecting intellectual property. he says we have an intellectual property subcommittee on the judiciary committee. that is good for your district. you could be protecting their economic interest. he said okay. we have no opening but we have an opening in a year-and-a-half

when we get the next u.s. congressman and you are my guys so we cut the deal and a year and half have on the judiciary committee. a couple months after that my dear friend sunni bono who was one of the most gracious guys i ever knew in my life got killed in a skiing accident. i happen to say a word about him. i love dearly and we became fast friends. he knew my background. he had a similar story. i remember sitting with him one night late at night on the floor of the house of representatives and it was free in the morning and i am trying to fall asleep. we were there for some meaningless series of votes but he could get enough of the fact that he was a congressman. to his dying day he was in awe of the institution. i am falling asleep next to him and he is looking around the chamber telling me can you believe it? lincoln served here.

lincoln served here. daniel webster served here. webster. and john f. kennedy. he starts naming all these people and i am just blowing him off and not showing enough reverence at the elbows me and says you ought to be ashamed of yourself. look at you! you used to be a bartender on the strip. i used to drive a beat truck on the sunset strip. but we are here, members of congress. he is looking around and says did you ever just stop and wonder how we ever got here? by this time i had enough of him chattering. and looked at him and said i look around every day and wonder how you got here. [laughter] i went to law school and i'm still trying to figure you out. anyway a few months after i had that conversation with chairman hyde on january 5th, 1998, sunni

bono was killed in a skiing accident and i tell you this for a reason to show you how fate works. on january 9th i went to palm springs for his funeral and they had all of us in a side chapel waiting for the service to start with president ford and all of these things. who sits next to me but henry hyde who also loves sunni. he was a big irish, very emotional sentimental is the word, sentimental guy. as we were talking about sonny he started crying. i am watching one of my heroes crying in front of me and it is choking me of. i was raised by my grandfather and i am not one of these cry in public kind of guys but henry is killing me. he pulls out a handkerchief and start crying and wiping his eyes and i am doing the same thing and telling him to stop that he

said i can't and he is crying and while he is crying he says you know, jim sonny was on the judiciary committee. like the body being wheeled in and he is telling me he was on the day judiciary committee and you remember we had that conversation and i got someone to take his place and you are my guy. i am seeing this as kind of sacrilegious. i have my handkerchief and i blew my nose and eyes that with all due respect this is not the time or the place to talk about this but i will take it. there was a problem. because our was on the commerce committee is one of the four

exclusive committees. a member can't serve on any committee -- we will do a trade. henry hyde said the letter to newt gingrich telling him why he wants to be on the committee. i get the phone call on january 20th, you are going on the judiciary committee. the next morning as i was drinking my cup of coffee i opened up the washington post and there is. the monica lewinski story is all over the front page and i was off to the races. what happens after that, within an hour i get back to my office and there were 20 tv cameras out there and i am surrounded and all these people are shoving microphones in my place and telling me you need to be put on this committee to impeach the president. you are a former prosecutor and judge. i was standing and smiling. other than copyrights and trademarks, you are a liar. that is not what you are here

but i walk you through the time table to show you it really was a coincidence. one of the things about collecting political memorabilia that came back to help, when i got back to congress the democrat majority for years were out of power and not happy about it and one of the senior democrats with a guy named john congress who was the senior democrat on the house judiciary committee and i spend many nights seeing conyers alone and i would want to talk about his views because he was the only middling living member of congress still serving who served on the watergate committee. whenever i would sit down to talk to him he would blow me off and have nothing to do with me. he was the ranking democrat on the house judiciary committee. i knew he wasn't predisposed to republicans in general based on my personal experience but because i was a collector of political memorabilia i wanted

to break the ice with him and i went home one weekend shuffling through my collection and found something's that down next to john on the house floor before the monica lewinski thing happened. when he walked away i grabbed him by the arm and said do you remember about 30 years ago ted kennedy coming to your district and doing the rally with you? how do you know that? i do. that was the biggest rally in the history of my district. never had a rally like that. i said do you remember seeing a yellow campaign button about this big that said the people's choice kennedy for president, conyers for vice president? he said i saw that. i told my staff get me one of those and they never did. they never saved one. i reached into my pocket. i bought it for $0.25 at a campaign collector when i was a kid and i said i saved it for you and our walked away. i didn't think anything of it at the time but my first day on the

judiciary committee i got on the committee within the graham. another person had died so lindsey graham and i became new members of the committee and the impeachment thing is in full bloom and the first committee hearing after the monica lewinski story and the press is there and everyone assuming this is going to be fireworks in this committee so henry by tradition the chairman introduced new members so he does an introduction with me and an introduction of lindsay and john conyers interrupts and says mr. chairman william yield? all these congress men behind me start whispering here comes. he is going to scream about these guys that this is a sham and a farce and they're putting these guys on and are am thinking he is going to kill us and john conyers said something along the lines of i join with my colleague the chairman in welcoming congressman james rogan to this committee. of fine man and great statesman.

he is going on and on about what a wonderful addition to the committee. now all these republicans around me are starting to look at me. what is this all about? are am sitting there and they're looking at the suspiciously. he goes on and so i want to welcome congressman rogan to the committee and he stared at lindsay graham for five seconds and said mr. chairman, i yield back the balance of part-time. it was time to collect the campaign memorabilia, helped me out. i wasn't on the committee very long when newt gingrich called and said he had a homework assignment for me and he gave it to me because he had been a prosecutor and judge, we don't know what will happen with this special prosecutor, kenneth starr is working on.

before this whole monica lewinski thing he was investigating whitewater, travelgate and all these things to pay to former staffers that went to prison and rented the lincoln bedroom and all these things that judge starr was investigating and now he has to pick up the monica lewinski issue as well. the speaker came to me and said i need somebody to draft the protocol. what do we do if a report recommending impeachment of president comes? we don't know what he has got or what to do. i want you to go out and track down an interview with former members of congress, democrats and republicans who were involved in previous investigations of a president and find out what worked and what didn't. what are the mistakes that were made and how we avoid them? i said i will do that as long as you let me interview you last. he agreed to that. i started this project and

interviewed 10 or 12 people, fred thompson from watergate. senator thompson was chief republican counsel on the senate watergate committee and congressman who worked on iran-contra and all these things. the one that i thought was the most fascinating was with the former chairman of the house judiciary committee. for people who are at least as old as i that name will be familiar. because he was the democrat chairman of the house judiciary committee that led to the impeachment investigation into president nixon. former chairman rubino was out of congress for 20 years at that time and was teaching law school one day week at rutgers in new jersey. i think he was 92. i called him up and i said mr. chairman, i wanted to do -- he told me know. i won't talk to you. he said i support president

clinton. you come up and parked me and -- that will give the impression that i am ok with this and i won't let that happen. i am four five months in congress. i was pretty bold. i said that is not and acceptable answer. he spent 40 years of your life as a member of this house. i have been assigned a job on behalf of the house of representatives to make sure we draft a protocol that is fair and you are a person that has unique knowledge of this and you have to give me your time so i am going to fly up there and you have to meet with me. you can have one half hour and that is or you get so i flew up to jersey to see him. i had deputy chief counsel with me and chief investigator gave shippers price at you guys weight of czar. i don't want to spook him. i want to talk to him and see if i can get him to loosen up and

if i can't i have an ace in the hole i am going to pull to see if it works. i went to see him, he was 92 but very sharp. he had with him a witness who was another law professor. he looked like a law professor. he had a big beard and long hair. and that turtle back. just sitting there, both of them not smiling. very perfunctory he shook my hand and signaled to the witness who turned on a tape recorder and said he is my witness. you have 30 minutes. the time has begun and for 28 minutes chairman rubino launched into a lecture. basically a soliloquy talking about fairness and how this is terrible and all the stuff he was saying. he was not there to answer questions but give me a lecture. then he said i will hear from

you. i started telling him this is not a partisan thing. he said thank you, your time is up, thank you for coming. he shook my hand and the other guy stood up and i said it is time to pull about the atomic bomb. i shook hands with him and said i want to thank you for keeping two promises. promise no. one you told me you would give me half an hour of your time and you did that. promised number 2 is this. i reached into my coat pocket and handed him a piece of paper. when i was 79 made my first trip to washington d.c. and it was a year after watergate. as long as i am going to washington by are to meet all the big movers and shakers who would give me advice how to given to politics. i started writing letters. i came to washington and want to meet with you. i wrote to nelson rockefeller and hubert humphrey and most said come on barr. the one guy i could meet with

peter rubino. he wrote me a very nice letter that some are will be out of town. but i will give you a rain check. [laughter] i handed him the letter and are set want to thank you for giving me the rain check. he looked at that letter and looked up at me and said something like you are this kid? yes, sir. points to the other guy, get out. take the tape recorder with you. i have a couple friends, bring them in. we sat there for three hours. he talked to me about everything. he talked about watergate, everything he had seen and gave me recommendations that are brought back to newt gingrich and that he adopted those recommendations. we called them the rubino rules. those were put into play.

there's a postscript. he wanted to come to his house for dinner later. he said come to my house and i will make you spaghetti and i had to tell my can't make it and we will get back to some votes but i will give you the rain check. next time i come up here are will see you. i did get back up there for six or seven years. i was are of course were invited to give a speech at rutgers. he is almost 100 and won't remember me but i made a promise so are called, he not only remembered me but ask, wife is doing and the kids and i was taken aback. i would love to take you to dinner. he said we can't do it. i am recovering from major surgery and i don't think i can make it. i will bring dinner. as we started talking his voice started cracking. he said i served four years in congress. i was on the cover of time magazine and recognize the all-around world and when you leave that place nobody remembers you or cares.

i am trying to recover from major surgery and not one of my former colleagues have called to say how are you doing? the only guy who calls me is a guy in the wrong party who came 20 years after i left. his voice started breaking. i said you need to know something. what you went through setting a protocol and standards at 25 years later when another president faced impeachment and republican congress was doing it we had done this rule that became the template that we used. that is not a bad legacy for a tournament kid from new jersey. and he said okay. we can go out to dinner. come over. it was not to be because a couple days later he passed away at the age of 96. i was very grateful to him for taking that time. i want to leave time for questions. this book has hundreds if not thousands of vignettes so we will have a couple quick ones.

the president gets in peach. to say we were unwanted when we get there would be a euphemism. it with a bipartisan lack of appreciation for our presents. we were told very early on, trent lott told me i don't care if you have pictures of this guy standing over a dead woman with a smoking gun in your hand. america did not want him impeached a huge jump off a cliff. you lost your majority. i have 55 republican senators. seven are up for reelection next year in tough races. we are protecting -- we are going to be the adults and you are the children. we don't care if it is about perjury or obstruction of justice, we are taking care of business. that was the welcome. the night before we started the senate trial, what i will refer to at the trial although it really wasn't a trial. more of a sham. a group of as were asked to meet

with a bipartisan group of senators, three democrats and three republicans. henry hyde said will you do this meeting with me and a couple others? we went over and we were supposed to meet in a large conference room and one of them said we will be more comfortable in the committee hearing room. meet as down the hallway and six senators take seats, and they have us sit below them so we are in the circus maximum. all we missed were the lions. we spend the next few hours listening -- we don't care what your evidence is. we are going -- you should have brought this year. we will kill this case and you will rue the day. everybody else is talking and blowing off. henry looked at me like say something. i said senator, i have to tell you something. tomorrow for only the second time in american history the chief justice of the united

states is going to leave his court, come into your chamber and is going to administer an oath to 100 united states senator to do impartial justice. tomorrow when the chief gives you that oath in 20,000 courthouses around the country judges are going to be administering the exact same oath to untold thousands of jurors and if they can't take the oath and won't take the oath they can't sit as a juror. when i think about tomorrow how many single moms are working at starbucks or in gas stations or unemployed people who would rather be somewhere else and do something else will take that oath and take it seriously, as an american citizen i have to believe that when 100 members of the greatest deliberative body on the face of the planet takes

that oath there is going to be the same degree of seriousness i have seen jurors take my whole professional life. there with a silence in the room and these six senators looked at each other and they looked at me and they laughed at me. that was a welcome to the united states senate. we went through the trial. we knew it was a losing proposition. why impeach a president when 75% of the american people oppose it? if you think about it now in more historical terms i think it is an incredibly interesting dynamic because you have in this window period politicians who are genetically hard wired not to do anything and popular. not to do things that rock the

boat. not to make the voters' angry at them. suddenly went from a position of wanting to protect themselves to realizing there was an important principle of law that requires d fending. it had nothing to do with the president's personal life. it is a fascinating story. this book chronicles it day today how slowly this all changed. how that dynamic change. the ultimate question is why do it? this is why. why did i give up my seat in congress that took me 30 years to get there? why was i willing to cast a vote and participate in something i knew from the start was a loser? this is why. when the founders wrote the constitution they set a president can be removed for

high crimes and misdemeanors but they never defined what is a high crime and misdemeanor. where do we get the definition? the definition comes from every single impeachment that the house faces. we had 17 or 18 of them. we had 17 bar the time president clinton came before us. mostly federal judges. a federal judge or an officers charged with something wrong. there is a vote on whether to impeach him. that becomes the standard, the precedent for what is or in -- is not an impeachable offense. the evidence is not even covered it anymore. he cut a plea-bargain -- maybe you don't recall because he doesn't talk about it much but his last day in office after denying this vehemently and attacking as daily to avoid being federally prosecuted his last day in office he signed a

plea bargain with federal prosecutors and admitted he lied under oath and the things we charged him with. if we have not voted to impeach president clinton we would have set a standard for every future president that perjury, obstruction of justice may be terrible, it may be tacky, maybe you can prosecute the guy later but this is not removable offense. let me tell you. democrat, republican and independent. you do not want to live in a country where a president of the united states feels they can commit perjury or obstructed justice and not think that is anything more than a 1-way exit ticket from the white house and that will always be the standard based upon the clinton president as long as members of congress stand up. when i gave my closing argument in the senate office i told the

senators this is not personal to me. president clinton -- i have a soft spot for him. he was very charming to me. i first met him in college and he was the attorney general of arkansas. this is a bigger issue. i know by being part of this i am not coming back. i told the senate i will be defeated in my next campaign and i was. i will tell you a quick story about my closing argument. i drafted for my closing argument what i would the -- the most important thing i could say to my great grand kids as to why i was part of this. ..

does the fed up listening to me complain about it that the printed up this beautiful brochure which is the loss closing argument of congressman james rogan. they made up 5,000. they said, here. shut up. complaining half. wherever you go you can pass these out. people will know what you wanted to say. when you run out we will make up five dozen more. you'll do this for the rest of your life. problem is that not long after that i was defeated for reelection and came home with 4,950 of these things in the back of my car. [laughter] so, for those of you who get a book tonight or order one from the foundation of line, you not only get a signed but, you will be the proud possessor, you will know forever what i intended to say and the impeachment trial. i wanted thank all of you for coming and appreciate your being

here. i hope you enjoy the book. there will be a lot of stories that i think will curl your hair. thank you, sandy. >> thank you. thank you. [applause] [applause] the congressman has agreed to answer some questions, so i will come to you with this microphone and asked stand. do i see any? does somebody over here? let's see. raise your hand. >> right here. >> oh, good. there you are. i'm going to hand it to you. >> you probably don't remember me, but this is that thing that i will always remember. there was a lawsuit against fair way forward placentia. i won the first case. the thing that they said at that hearing was, they would be in

the hearing today if my husband had not expired. so anyway, i won that case, and they disagree with. i called fair way for it to see how they wanted to make payments to me, that they could pay to the court, the court could, and the company meet. they said will see you in court. luckily you were my judge at that second hearing. [laughter] >> how did i do? [laughter] >> you did great because -- >> that's all i need to here, man. [laughter] >> i was 79 years old from yorba linda, with no. they thought, well, that woman doesn't know anything. we can scare her. she will show up to court the second time. but as soon as you walked in,

took the bench, maybe you don't remember, but i said i remember you. my husband and i respect to of the hearing of fun. i just changed my party. [laughter] >> thank you. >> well, all i -- [applause] [applause] i guess the lesson from that, ladies and gentlemen, that if you're a future live in my courtroom, you know how to start. thank you, ma'am. thank you. >> they keep. an usher with the question was, but thank you. oh, okay. [inaudible] >> question this, however talked to president and mrs. cuts in

well, my wife and i encountered mrs. clinton wants a year after impeachment, but that is a story for a different book. president actually after both of us left washington for a. of a few years had a very private but cordial correspondence. that ended during mrs. tons campaign because some reporter called and said i hear you right back and forth. welcome that is true. like to see the notes. now, you can see them. somebody in the campaign started vehemently denying that president clinton would never write to him and so forth. i think it must have, like, embarrassed. i think somebody get embarrassed that he and i were corresponding, so i have not heard from incense. there was a time where two old warriors or at least untouched. asked if gingrich about that and he says he told me, help call me sometimes it 2:00 in the morning and want to talk about old times. i think he's like me, he misses the war.

i don't know if that is true. president clinton, if you're listening, feel free to write. i will answer. it would be nice to hear from you again. i hope you didn't hate the boat too much. >> of want to ask a question. yet been in the legislative branch, you have been in the executive branch committee have been the judiciary with your new appointments. if you were advising a young person who wanted to go into public service where would you steer them out of your experience and all the branches? >> i would give them the same advice that attorney-general of arkansas bill clinton gave me in 1978 when i met him. i was a young democrat, and i was back for conference. [laughter] [laughter] >> it's bill clinton.

[applause] [laughter] >> she knows how to make a dramatic exit. [laughter] so i need bill clinton, and i am in college, applying to law school. i walked up to him and asked him emma a combined your story. i read a year in a magazine. i have the same background. i want to go into politics. and not sure where to start. he took 15 minutes of his time. i wasn't even a constituent. he told me. go to law school. if you're going to be involved in the legislative process in any way, it involves writing law. you better to know about the legal process than a lawyer. from a practical perspective also you have something to fall back on if your political desires don't fall through. one of the great ironies of that meeting is that it was 20 years, not just to the very day, but to almost that our that i was

sitting in the house judiciary committee casting a vote on articles of impeachment against president clinton. so here 20 years later our paths intersected in no way that neither of us could have ever rads and, but the advice he gave me was first appreciated, second never forgotten and has proved to be very good price. [applause] [applause] >> we would like to hear from you. tweeting us your feedback. twitter dot com / book tv. >> we have in our society this inherent view that we are divided souls, that we have reason over here and emotion over here and the two are at war with one another, on a seesaw. if you are emotional you are not rational. if your rational that you're not emotional. society progresses to the extent that reason, which is trustworthy, and suppress passion which is untrustworthy. and so this bias has led to of

view of human nature that we are fundamentally rational individual servers bond and straightforward ways to incentives and has led to academic disciplines that try to study human behavior using the methods of the six, emphasizing what they can count and model and ignoring all the rest. and i think it has led to an amputation, i shall love you of human nature reemphasize things that are rational and ignore things down below. and so it has created a culture in which we are really good at talking about material things, but baena talked about emotions are really good at talking about health and safety and professional skills, but about the most important things like character, integrity, we often have very little to say. alistair. [applause] mayor, the great philosopher, so we live in a system where we still have the words for the important things like virtue and honor and not enough basic understanding of how they all fit together. he said imagine you get some

more like a neutron or gravity but didn't really understand how physical works or how they fit together. that is very are. and so i do think we have this reputation which blows us in a certain way. it blows us in the direction of the prevailing breeze that we are not always satisfied with. i mentioned i went to his school and my folks still live in wayne pennsylvania just west of here. you see that parents there and in many places around the country are trapped into a certain style of raising their kid. you go to an elementary school and the third graders come out wearing these 8-pound backpacks. the wind blows them over. they're stuck there on the ground. we want them to study and do homework and get ready for the harvard admissions test. they get picked up by audi's and volvos because in that town it is socially except the will to have a luxury cars along is a comes from white country hostile to u.s. foreign-policy.

they get a raise and picked up by this creature i wrote about in an earlier book called to gourmands who are highly successful career woman who are taking time off to make sure their kids into at harvard away less than their own children. doing little but exercises during the moment of conception in the delivery room it, cutting the umbilical cord themselves. the baby pops out. the mandarin flashcards with the thing together. they can learn chinese. and so they turn them into little achievement machines, s.a.t. prep. they're not really happy. they don't think this is the most important thing, but the tigers on down the street is doing it and they feel trapped into a system which they ridiculed but kantor announced. they are all in this system where they are in tune with the morality in character matters most but don't have a vocabulary for it, so when people talk about the morality often we end up talking about shopping.

so we have the bin and jerry's ice cream company on foreign policy. i jumped in one of my books that ben jerry's should make a pacifist, toothpaste isn't kilograms. just as it is the. whole foods market. bart kershaw restores were looked like they are on loan from amnestied national. my household we by seaweed based snacks call that djibouti with cale for kids to come home and say mom, i want a snack that will help prevent colon rectal cancer. [laughter] and so i think -- [laughter] -- this is sort of the world we're trapped in. but we realize that that is actually not all there is. there is more to life and more that we should be experiencing. and so i was thinking about this problem and gradually i became aware of this of the sphere of life where there were looking into some of the deeper things.

oddly it was not theologians. it was a relief philosophers. it was people who study the human mind. this incredibly exciting time of the study of the mind being done across a wide array of spheres like neuroscience, cognitive science, psychology, behavioral economics. people are looking into the human mind. really it is a revolution in consciousness because when you synthesize the findings across these many different spheres, you really start with three key insights. the first insight is that while the conscious mind rights the autobiography of our species, most of the action and the most impressive action is happening unconsciously, below the level of awareness. one way to think about this is that the human mind can take in roughly 12 million pieces of information a minute, of which it contends is the process about 40. all the rest is being done really without our being aware of it. all other things going on are

somewhat odd. my favorite research finding from the university of buffalo scholar is that people named dennis are disproportionately likely to become dentists. [laughter] people named lawrence are disproportionately likely to become lawyers because unconsciously we gravitate toward things that are familiar witches' i named my daughter president of the ad states bricks met up. and some other things going on unconsciously are sort of impressive. it is not the tangled web of sexual urges that for imagined. the and consciousness is religious to the way of understanding the world. often yielding superior results. one of the tips on that -- read about was if you have a tough decision and can make a pure mind, to yourself you will the sort decided by a coin flip and flipped the coin but don't go by how the coin comes up, go buy your much a reaction. are you happier said it came up that way? that is your unconscious mind having made the deci