how well prepared are we now 10 years later and specifically whether the fbi has overcome that hurdle or --. >> a third recommendation out of this wmd commission or finding was that in spite of all the things that we have done to improve our security since 9/11, that our adversaries have been moving at even a faster pace and therefore the margin safety has been declining, not enlarging a sense of 9/11. as to the fbi, i personally continue to feel that, like most of the countries of the world, including the countries that are reputed to have the best intelligence services such as the israelis and the u.k., that

we would be well served if we had a separate agency that was assigned singularly to the domestic intelligence as opposed to having the fbi take that on. ..

>> which in this our officials gift to all speakers at the press club. >> i will do this. [laughter] and. >> i want to remind everybody of you have not purchased a copy of the book, they are for sale and senator graham will remain until you sign them all and also want to think nicole for helping us to arrange this evening. [applause]

[applause] >> thank you for coming tonight. we appreciate it. one of the reasons we decided to write the book together which of course, having a reporter and a copy writing a book is odd to begin with because the relationship is not always seen eye to buy. [laughter] but the point* was to get out of the psycho of understanding of homicide in murder which is difficult

prime is a dramatic and ongoing story but we don't take the time to look at it as the ongoing perspective it is not immediate but the reason we did that is fairly simple. baltimore consistently is one of the most violent cities in the country no matter what. right now the mayor will tell you crime is down. that is true but if you look at it relative to other cities i think we're in the top five of being violent. why? why do we keep doing the same things? in baltimore city over the past 10 years, the answer has been some form of law-enforcement arresting 100,000 per year so it is a question of what enforcement were building more prisons.

it is ironic we worked on this together but when he approached me about doing this was to have some context. starting with the particular in the details to have an understanding why baltimore have such up penchant for murder that is not an easy question. be rather than over the philosophical they could share cases and insight that is fairly extreme which is what this story is that a laboratory of the extremes. sometimes it is just difficult to comprehend when dave 14 year-old child shoots a woman he does not know more a sets of teen-age girl said a man on fire raw he is a live. as citizens of the city these are difficult for us

to comprehend but must be so we could perhaps alleviate the problem may cover crime and i am part of the problem as they go to a crime scene do this story now i am a producer for fox 45 and part of the problem is a 24-hour news cycle so we hope by combining our perspectives would add something to the equation of our understanding why do people killed? we are a fairly unique city 6700 times per year somebody picks up again and aims and goals of trigger that does not include those that died from overdoes his or which is unusual compared to europe and other places.

in many social situations we choose violence to settle matters that may otherwise be settled in other ways. what is the combination of factors? what is in the psyche of the people that choose to take another life? the only way who it is kelvin sewell who has been of close to people we would consider had done things that would be absolute the reprehensible. that being said maybe one to talk about why you decided to participate or why we did this together. >> also the book talks about how difficult the homicide detective job is going down every day face the difficult challenges of dealing with families who have lost loved ones or ladies and gentlemen, have to put the

family second to do with those families to have lost loved one's. these detectives spent a lot of time in the box. we deal with some of the most violent criminals and try to get confessions out of why they have done some of the things they have done. sometimes it is a difficult challenge for love for another war love or hate for another person. one case in particular one is of milton wilson was the 14 year-old i'm sorry nine year-old kid yet he betrayed

his love by wanting to buy a young girl a gift but because of that he snapped and took the kids life after falling into the woods. that was difficult because we came out of that case with social service was involved. the mother herself went to jail for not protecting her kid the way she should have. also the case could then do with the person named gregory who came to her house to or the police officers away from mrs. smith and direct them toward him to show he was the victim and not her but it turns out it was her.

and the police officers responded to the house 50 times before they relocated issue was strangled and beat to death. at while we wrap the location at one point ms. smith helped us out by faxing herself a letter indicating the suspect and the letter arrived at her residence while we were there that day. that's is also something we discussed in the book. >> we talk quite a bit when i was a reporter fifth and a homicide detective he let me know how dysfunctional the system was like ms. smith to file the protection order and called the police 50 times and also the state's attorney's office where

saying i know who murdered this%. i have a witness but i don't have to witness this though the attorneys of the sonat issue a warrant. but to me, you get a call from till then that says i could take the murder of the street right now but to me that spoke to raitis functionality in the system where they pay a great deal of money to protect us and oftentimes that is lost in politics and a lot of the other things that should not affect an organization in trying to take murders off the street. but that was a big problem. >> aic those who may understand what we have been through. we have the suspects held

their right now. if we had some help, in then the state's attorney's office who will not take any cases to court to get them prosecuted and off the street. but you know, a person commits a murder you know, he did the murder but you don't have the tools to take them off the street but to some extent that is not fair to get them off the street. >> calling me up all the time. >> i will look up at the building at the police headquarters and say there is more problems in that building.

[laughter] simply to get the building straight first maybe we could help the people. >> for both of us calvin has to go to the homes of people whose homes sun or daughter has been taken we have to talk to the families and when you see the obstacles to clear thinking and truth with regard to the subject matter it becomes frustrating and one resents the book was so important. this gives people a clear and straightforward unobstructed view of what happened and why people may kill. if we can answer the question and then we have the ability to solve the problem which has been beyond our ability. the next 45 murders as opposed 2125.

why should we have to suffer with the worst homicide rates? part of the problem is we don't have time or know exactly what is going on and cannot deal with the situation. the calvin was courageous enough and willing to share that so it could be in a way to be meaningful. >> this is also about there is no editing to talk about the truth about the streets of baltimore city it does not give you then news version but people should get this people want to know the truth. and what actually happens

and puts it what the news put out there. this is what happens in baltimore city and what we will do to fix the problem. >> and also one other comment, i am a member of the media working for fox 45. this structure is the way to give breaking news it is not a condemnation but saying everyone deserves time that this book is a more thoughtful look and i have spent a lot of time discussing the case and that is more what it is about. >> but by reading the book it shows individuals out there who are committing murder and what they're looking for but to keep an eye on your kid and your loved ones and that is what

this book talks about. >> can i make a comment? >> these guys sent material in the middle of the night and i had to read it. i think this is something everybody has to read. i don't like to read crime stories i don't want to read about murder but every time i read a draft i could not put it down. it was so compelling in the perspective of what goes on in baltimore and the police department is something other places need to know about because it needs fixed >> hopefully this book will do something about this.

we do run a lot of stories about crime in murder and shootings it seems everybody is being shot or killed and it is horrible. but you cannot close your eyes to that. it is something we all have to deal with. >> we try as close as possible to get into the psyche of the people that kelvin encountered. so hopefully the book itself will give you that perspective that a homicide detective would have to give you a sense of how this associated as a reporter i go to the east side in the west side where 30 or 40 people have been murdered in a year in a small area and it transforms the

psychological landscape of the city because i was just interviewing somebody today and the people who were really transform do not blink because otherwise they may be killed saying i am dealing with kids to have witnessed murders and it is transformative because you were surrounded by violence so the nature the neighborhoods the support of community services are hard to describe the unless you see that firsthand. >> debt delay putting an impact on the books through my eyes from what i have seen so basically be careful but also want to say to put

this of around about protecting your loved one sanders society start with the elementary school. by the time the kid turns middle school age, they could still be saved but if you get them at the elementary school age and work with them, get them minds on the straight and narrow our society would change. >> if anybody wants to ask questions. >> guy and sorry. creditor was very instrumental and a great part of what we did together. >> i guarantee if you read the book you do not want to put it down.

it helps them to understand. >> what about 10 or 15 minutes of ku and day and then we have copies of the book on sale in back i am sure they would be glad to discuss further or signed a book and obviously the bar in the back we'll be open. so that being said, who has questions? >> talk about the conclusions of why people killed? i have that question and this book giving a lot of details of homicide in murder in what goes on behind the scenes i feel there's a lot of the necessary information in the media daily about getting killed and what happens so

what is the difference between that and what is in the book? >> the difference perhaps is the intimacy of the narrative. a lot of times we don't have time to explore the characters behind a crime or their personality or the social circumstance. why people killed and baltimore simply from talking to people and going two neighborhoods is because they feel that is the only choice that they have that the lives are so separate from the system that we are used to participating in i was talking to young gentlemen today they don't believe they have the same future. when a conflict arises it is

easier to pick up a gun with the isolation in anger. i am not making excuses for people who decide to do this but what i have learned that there is a sense of isolation and desperation implicated into their lives to the extent it is the only reality that they know for this particular person and transcends all types of decisions that we make. we all reach walls but not a lot of the neighborhoods says schools have trouble there is tremendous police presence but not one that says we have a way to show you a future where your life would be improved. there is lead poisoning a woman was living next door their room was abandoned and

the cockroaches were so that she had to throw up her furniture and everyone she called would not help her. the health department. and that isolation needs to desperation but i am not saying that they did the right thing or a moral justification but simply trying to answer the question this is what does it. you say a book that the circumstances. people say you are ridiculous it is their choice but if we ignore the factors the committee that we created we will have the same conversations. one of the key elements the ku is we as a community share a certain amount of responsibility for everything that occurs and until we recognize that, we

cannot solve the problem. if people think it is wrong to say we have created this then i guarantee we will have just as many murders now until we can say collectively we have created a world where there are haves and have-nots that people feel hopeless. we will never understand. that is not like these people are the serial killers. that is something i learned from calvin. it wasn't like the killer it was nothing like have ever seen in a narrative but matter of fact and bill been jones said he was cheating on me. although they were nine and

13 it was matter of fact it is not like he puts them in the basement with costumes. correct? [laughter] >> you have to get past the narrative. >> to look at it collectively. >> the people feel their own many studies better shown of kids growing up in the inner city with african-american boys. don't expect to be live to be 20 years old so then what restricts you from doing whatever you need to do to survive as long as you can? >> >> when you get those hardened criminals they don't want to talk to you to

get a sense of where it was going then say you are so tough but he would be surprised they don't know the alphabet. that is what starts the conversation. abc. i get that a lot. and that breaks the ice and that is all you get them to come down to their level and start talking to them. that most of the time we the tactics that we use talk to us about why they committed the murder. >> and how we get this

closed. >> that is one of the best stories of. [laughter] >> with the local newscasts has been for years it did bleeds comma it leaves. but when i watch local television news, i have never seen as much emphasis on violence as today. not only one or two stories but four or five. the question is, do we have more violence they and we used to have? is a different kind of finance or is this just a function of the news policies? >> a good question. if you look at the numbers technical a we have fewer homicides. we might have had 350 at that point*. but i don't know the reason for the phenomenon but crime

gets more hits on the internet. says they transformed from print the crime stories get its hit two times as many versus those who pass the bill and that dictates the decisions because internet advertising is based primarily off of how many hits that you get. know why crime has become an obsession could it re-read hour a city best known for exporting misery? we produce a lot of crazy crime stories that become national stories. maybe that is part of that the people feel this problem has lingered so long it requires all of our attention.

also in the middle of the decade, to politicize the issue baltimore city will not be you hold until it reduces the homicide rates and the numbers became political. everything came down to what are the numbers? this crime lower or higher? though the crime cannot -- media cannot resist when they continue to expose the story. and that is affecting how kelvin does his job if you politicize crime then it is a currency the media cannot resist that becomes a whole story. >> what i don't want people to except his at the end of the year 223 homicides don't except that because in the back of my mind i thought

one homicide was too many. we brag on 230 when we should not have had one. that is the way society except things and we want to change that. >> is there something to try to make baltimore special? or a regional breakdown? >> based on the homicide rate? >> what about this city in particular that they may not have? >> i am still trying to understand the questions period what makes baltimore unique?

>> especially on the east and west side where the education system is i put people in a box so the education system needs to be better and people living on the streets. they tried to do the best they can. i am not trying to say it is not right but you have to educate the people little more and start with the elementary system. just like the bounty hunters themselves in years old. we have to do something to educate these kids that the

same as they are doing at the elementary level. some of those grades are fine but you have to know that to you can be when everyone to be but most of the kids that are going through the high schools are ready to join the gang. >> but to expound, it is a grand experiment from isolation as policy. everything is extreme weather property taxes and car insurance. [laughter] and somehow that we can isolate baltimore to keep those problems from coming into baltimore county and maybe it is similar but baltimore has tried to do

things to say we can put people in a certain spot and it will all work out because they will all be here. so baltimore has tried to do this to the extreme to cray a situation where murder and violence is the obvious outcome. by am not saying there are other industries like that but i am from new york and it was a little different and a sense that the city was so sustaining and it seems that baltimore is supposed to fail in is designed to fail when you write the story about the failure everybody says you got it right. thank you. i told you this would not work. it is like a self-fulfilling prophecy. then may say this is crazy.

maybe this is the outcome that is supposed to happen maybe when you design of the city that should be isolated >> hall i think the book is a fantastic read. you capture that inside very, very well. but. [inaudible] [laughter] >> i get that question all the time and 7:00 this morning on email. the first book took about two years. but we would explore the option. >> we will decide in the near future. >> almost everybody asks the

question iran is the next what coming out? nine even reading this book get their interested. >> what about the young people or how do turn that around? >> the best way to solve the murder is a big part of changing making everybody do with the consequences of what we have created. if you do that then you see changes substantial change rather than creating a system of isolation in make everybody accountable. that is not palatable and maybe not in our lifetime but but with a small part of the community there is

substantial changes as long as we can create stories of horrific murders and creates a virtual wall, it will not change but once they are accountable, granted they pay a lot of taxes to support baltimore city, but go downtown. what used to be a manufacturing center, i took a philosopher who said i cannot believe how many presents you have. even the warehouses. wind we decided that was not effective, and what that we want to house them then things will change but until then nothing. >> you have to be a better rehabilitation center. to say we will take the plow to push into baltimore

county. >> basically it should be some saying the system puts in place to stop the murders >> part of the issue that we are narrow minded in our approach so as young as you can get them re should respond. it is everyone else in our lives that we need to work with. i don't get the impression from what you say but i hope we are clear that this has very little to do with race. it is class and a lack of resources. >> although if you look at the statistics, the present system of african-americans

are more affected by violent crimes, more likely to be incarcerated with environmental concerns. yes. it is class but race is a backdrop. and then thinking of discrimination in the baltimore city police department, it did to is a part of the issue. but you have four people who are suffering. that is true. >> getting to that point* point*, they close down iraq centers and other centers in people do not understand the point* of grab being kids when they are young. i was working with seven

year-old's -- 17 year-old's reading on of this grade level it is about to raise and particularly they target the young black males and until we raise our voices and start to do something about that, and forcing them to do their jobs i don't see a lot changing. >> have you take that kids growing up in poverty to see the big hotels and the harp -- and other parts of the city to say to them you can have this but i do make them believe they can have that without becoming drug dealers? that is how they get it. the drug dealers and the

gangsters have all the money in their community. >> that is going back to the use. we are dealing with parents that are not doing their job. ever but a once 2.that the police and the churches and yes there is a problem but we have to go back to educate the young parents and it was starting in the house and i worked in the center. we saw a difference. i am the product of a project kids. you don't have to sell drugs to a four day halfway decent

house. unfortunately they have to see positive images outside their homes. but they shut down and have police officers were gay where be cared about the kids to make you are the example. how did you come out of that whereas most of others did not? >> i was in the project of the different era back then was just low income family. i had my mom and my dad. i have a father to let me know, right. i had nine brothers and sisters. it was difficult you did not go out to rob people. >> and then read about the

book of the girls who killed taylor. one was a college student in atlanta and her mother was a supervisor for the social security administration it can be my daughter she is not even in baltimore. >> she had 2.heard daughter on the phone and then she could not believe the. >> but if you're not prepared to raise but then two years through six years of they're not getting ready for school and schools were

not ready for the kids. maybe before elementary schools. >> and once the kid goes to the elementary school level and in the system and to make a better life for themselves but based on what i have seen is not in place at this time. >> too more questions. >> the family structure is not the same. not to from 20 years ago. we need to get back to some basics. >> you have the kid in the

fifth grade to seize violence since they were three years old. you tell them what you can achieve and what you can have but that is not tangible. when they see moms are dads are sisters and brothers. >> ien is and what you are saying. the mentality of the kids but then it is said to end their mind but then say he

has to give it to the kid because he held on for long time then finally he dropped his head. and finally and then said i did it. can i go home now? but he thought when he committed the murder and shot the lady in the back of the head on a dare he could go home after that. he did not even know her. >> we sees gains that have been crystallized over decades and we see a snapshot in a crime and don't always have the perspective of what led up to the culmination of things >> >>

[inaudible] >> i have been on the police department for 26 years and also on homicide. we have worked a lot of gruesome case is. there is so many. you can go into a scene and see a body on this side and ahead on this side or a scene and i hate to say it is grew some but it is something you don't see it a funeral home. but you can see that has been murdered in our house for months in the summertime covered. then you try to get the person out of the house it has been it there so long

the body explodes. but then a lot of times not mentioning any names i had to send some of my students to counseling. are they okay? but i have to say i noticed they were not acting right after words. >> just so we don't end on such a gloomy notes prepare you had a question? >> i want to know how the media has responded to the book. >> i am curious. >> it was here.

kind enough to run the excerpt. but there has been a fairly positive, more among people and one nvidia has been tried to get in a book called me personally and trying to track down the book. a lot of people person may have track down the booktv interested because kelvin has ben willing to share. what is it really like? it is more personal they and a media event. >> we will probably have some more. >> but over is the u.k..

we will do that of europe. >> one more thing? i have been a police officer and sometimes they have to put the family second. and my wife did is here tonight. [applause] >> and it also of to me to write the book. >> thank you for coming and putting up with the heat. we have this done signed copies and the copies for sale in the back.

please feel free to browse around. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

>> if you walk down the streets of philadelphia and new york and asked people what is the most pressing problem facing america is the sectarian conflict the catholics are trying to take over america. there was a rumor of the pope would come and establish headquarters in cincinnati. [laughter] why cincinnati? i don't know. it seems to have better sense than that but nevertheless this was the rumor and a seven shave the headquarters at the jewish hospital in cincinnati. [laughter] you get the connection-- connection. and this was part of the conspiracy but these guys

are bent on destroying the roman catholic church. but that a german protestant in a grant came over that was one of the great political cartoonist of the day and gave us santa claus, the democratic donkey anti-republican elephant and he has the cartoon. many people could not read in those days but understand cartoons. here he has a cartoon that to you may think these are crocodiles but actually it is from the roman catholic church and they are coming to take our children. it is not the white house but st. peter's cathedral in the background prepare you

cannot see it but it says tammany hall. [laughter] and tammany hall is a democratic party organization of new york and thomas nast was a republic 10 and the republican party was the first evangelical party founded 1854 and fought the anti-catholic wave of the party with anti-slavery wing. and here is the anti-catholic swing. the american in patriot did say party newspaper that eventually folded. they are opposed to roman catholicism and a close to foreigners and opposed to nunneries and the edges of its proposed two secret foreign orders and so on. they want to restrict

immigration and the rights of from a catholics to vote and hold office. now, the republican party was the offspring of the use strains. anti-slavery and anti-catholic keep in mind most people in the republican party did not care about zero slavery where it already existed. they wanted to keep the territories right and the slaves out so white men could have opportunities because they believe any place where slaves go, whites cannot compete because slaves don't take wages. the republican party builds itself as the white man party. linkdin is debating steve

been douglas in the senatorial campaign. the republican party's slogan was vanquished with consolidates catholicism and slavery going hand in hand. i should tell you full disclosure abraham lincoln hated religious bigotry but follow the republican party line because it was very effective among the base. we heard in politics that the base with protestant working men in the small towns in farms and in the midway at -- midwest this resonated to the constituency so it was named under that slogan.

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