york city police followed. he had a hot dog, peanuts, elephants, ready miniature electric train. before anybody could stop him, he climbed over a protect israeli come in front of the tiger cages and stuck his fingers through the cage and headed a tiger in the hunt. this is what made people think he was crazy. betray trying to save them, he spent his visit. was fidel castro crazy? and the late 1950s, early 1960s and the international conspiracy was the organizing principle in which america's foreign policy was based. it wasn't just the spread of communism that was so feared.

it was the fact that the communists had records. and given the rhetoric coming same ulcers are things like we'll spare you. those are the three has for us. they seemed far more willing to use them. they emphasize this to point out that the communist country 90,000 american shores is simply intolerable, not just conservatives like barry goldwater, wiki geeks, but really everybody. so, fidel castro was interrogated on the subject of communism, everywhere he went on to visit. by vice president nixon, but congressional subcommittee, scores of journalists. everyone asked them the same question. dr. castro, are you a communist? units are the same every time. no, he was on a communist. never has been, never with e. when he found enough, the police were relieved to see him go, but most new yorkers are happy that

he came to visit. an editorial in "the new york times" summed up the general attitude towards castor as he left. quotes come emitted quite clear that neither he nor anyone of importance in this government so far as he knew was a communist. by the same token, it seems that he is the americans feel better about castro than they did before. the mac you can watch this and other programs online that tv don't work. >> sam brower, who was wearing just? >> warren jeffs is the self-proclaimed prophet of the fundamentalists church of latter day saints. he followed in his father's footsteps and kind of took that religion and his idiosyncrasies to new levels for new heights. >> what do you mean by that

quiet >> daypart does polygamy for one thing. it's illegal in all 50 states. >> is illegal? >> is illegal in all 50 states. >> in utah as well? >> in utah as well. because of that, there's an outcropping is that. there is this caste system of marrying underaged little girls. it is kind of a reward that's been going on now -- well, when word came into power in 2002, started mushrooming and getting worse and worse. >> now, when you say he came into power, how did he come into power? >> wetmore and was a young man, he was kind of this odd duck. but he was his father's favorite

sign. his father took a shine to him and his father had dozens of sense. but he took a shine to warren. and war and was headmaster of their private school sistan and manage to learn his way into position of leadership next to his father. when his father started becoming ill when he was old, started having a series of strokes and warren was able to kind of nuclear himself into a position of power, sort of like a medieval power struggle. he was able to move himself into when his father died he was the gatekeeper for his father and just made himself the new prophet. >> where is warren jeffs now? >> warren jeffs is in jail in eldorado, texas.

he is for the past four years has been moving around from one prison to another person to another. he was getting utah, being an accomplice to. that conviction was overturned on a technicality in utah by the utah supreme court, which was in my opinion a shameful decision that should never happen. >> of the century construction, right? >> it would e. a pity me of a bad ruling. the jury instruction that the jurors didn't even understand. a lawyer would understand perhaps, but the jurors had no clue that anything was wrong. he was overturned on that cavity and then he went to arizona. and arizona -- attorneys fought it for years.

after about two years, finally complete and screw tired of it and prosecutors grew tired and have charges read in texas that were more serious than the arizona churches. and so, he was extradited to texas and that's where he sat down texas awaiting charges on very serious felony charges of child abuse. >> sam brower commode is the fundamentalist church of latter-day saints in what is his connection if any to the audio strips? >> well, nowadays there's absolutely no connection. at the turn-of-the-century, it was an offshoot from the mainstream lds church. there was a group of people that when polygamy was outlawed and banned in the church, that felt

like that was sent to them that they didn't want to participate in. and actually the small group of people that left the religion were excommunicated. and from there, it just started growing on me know, bits and pieces at a time until it became what it has now. it became thoroughly corrupt and in my opinion it's an organized crime syndicate. you now, specializes in child abuse and underage marriages. >> how many followers? >> there are between 10 and 15,000 followers. it's hard to bring exact number on it because they keep very poor records purposely. they have their burned-out areas, their own clinics for children are born with. they shy away from hospitals because that's where records are

kept in knots when they can be discovered and their secrets can be discovered. so they stay away from mainstream hospitals. they set up their own hospitals and.or zend resources, midwives were giving birth and actually went there was a raid in texas, based on birth certificates that were in various stages of being filled out. some were. some were filled out come the summer partially filled out and some are just blank so that they could fill in the names and dates that suited them. and so, their records are not very good. some are bogus. and so it's really hard to put a number on how many ecstatically there are, but they are all over the country. >> mr. brower, how did you get to write "prophet's prey." what is your involvement with the fundamentalist church of the latter-day saints?

>> i became involved originally as a private investigator who has actually taken a case involving one of the fo ds numbers who has been excommunicated. and it just peaks my interest. it was something unusual. i was not from southern utah and is kind of an outsider and was curious about it. what i found shocked me. you know, when i went to short creek, it was just like driving a map. click no place else in the country. when i talk to people about it, they just don't believe that someplace like that could exist here. it is without a doubt the most lawless town in this country. and so, it really keeps my interest. when i started becoming involved in a started working the case is, i started finding out about

these atrocities, things that are supposed to happen in america, people being kicked out of their homes and told they can't come back and that they can't talk to their families. they can't even visit their families. and then, i was asked by a prominent baltimore attorney to work on some civil cases involving child abuse. and what i found there was just unbelievable. i interviewed two young man who had grown up in the religion. they're actually warren schatz's nephew. and he had abused them, great and them from the time they were between the ages of five and seven years old. and that experience to me was

what really turned the tide for me. that was the experience that kind of lit a fire under me. i thought commando, somebody has got to do something. the word has to get about it. that was a lot of my motivation for doing this book and for pursuing it with such vigor, is just get the word out so people know there is something of this horrible caliber that's going on in our country. >> sam brower come is there an issue of freedom of religion here? >> you know, the freedom of religion issue is an issue only with the fo ds. in reality, the freedom of religion is their wild-card. what they do has nothing to do with religion. i mean, unless -- it's okay for

religions to molest children. unless it is okay for a profit to take a little 12-year-old girl by the hand and take her into a temple and performed a ritualistic on her. in my mind, that is not religion. that is criminal behavior. the biggest hurdle, the hardest part of dealing with this and getting locked and getting law-enforcement to deal with it and getting government entities and agencies and politicians to do with it is to overcome that religious hurdle. they have been able to cover their activities under the smokescreen of religions. and that's all it is. they know it. warren jeffs knows that it works.

and they've done really well and cloaking that illegal activity under religion. i mean, if this was a worshiper, the questions would never have even come out. if it was a covenant of worshipers going out and weepy little gross, they know they would be going to jail. somehow this so-called religion was able to mask and cover up their activities and say it's their constitutional right to do this. >> where did they get money? >> the money comes up to siphon off the backs of thousands of workers that believe that they are doing the right thing. but they are involved in the religion of their ancestors, you know, they are involved in something that they have been brought up in, the cultural thing more than a religion

really. and they are in construction. they are in manufacturing. and i would say probably a majority of the money comes right out of the taxpayers pockets. it's from public works projects, millions of dollars for the public works projects in my figures, all over the west and even back to your comment back east. they are manufacturing. the previous top secret government projects for military. they work on the latest generation night vision that are being used overseas right now. the challenger disaster was a product to short creek. so they are involved in many different areas. india reveal for raising money

is more than just about money. it's a religious calling to them. and so, they are very good idea. they're very good at putting together millions and millions of dollars. >> the practice of your book was written by john krakauer. who is the why did the right? >> i got to know john when i began working on the book. john had done research on his boat under the banner of heaven. they make as both of us working in the same area kind of brought us together. and we just kind of clicked and have been working together since. he was great help for me. it's a bit dangerous to be out there doing that kind of work in john back up and get help from me. he's somebody i could depend on.

so we travel all around the country and were quite a bit on this. and he was past the learning curve. very complex and very hard to get to learn and understand everything that goes on. john was past that learning curve and was very helpful to me. >> sam brower, the photo on the front cover of the book. rivers has taken quite >> this was taken at vermillion cliffs bread on the edge of town and short creek they are in a couple of the polygamist women that are strolling through the little park area. >> now, either you or john krakauer and could this be considered an anti-mormon book? >> i'm lds. john is not.

as far as feeling this is an anti-mormon book in any way. the flds are nothing -- you know, they are not mormon at all. they have chosen to distance themselves. they don't practice any of the police. the only thing they really have going on is they believe in some of the things of the scripture as the lds church. they have put in their own spin on it and things like that. a lot of the outside world tends to group the two together, but more men are no more flds that lutherans are catholics. you know, the lutherans chose to separate themselves from the catholic church or episcopal church or whatever. they are there and they and in

the lds is there a religion. >> sam brower, this is his book, "prophet's prey" comes out in october 2011, published by bloomsbury. >> what are you reading this summer? booktv wants to know. >> well, i just finished reading decision points by president bush. it was really good. i enjoyed the conversational tone that he took in describing his presidency and the event, the big events like 9/11 and some of the other events that were a part of his eight-year presidency. in the process of getting to karl rove's new book as well as hank paulson's new book. i don't know that anything has had more of a lasting impact on what we are talking about today

than what happened a couple years ago with regard to the melt down. i think reading secretary paulson's new autobiography will be enlightening. i got pretty frustrated with 10 by the end of this time the secretary, but i want to give him the benefit of the doubt and see his side of the story since he was there in front and center and all the discussions. i am also reading a new book that andy andrews, a local alabama author wrote called the summit because it is an inspirational turn. he takes real people from the past. winston churchill, abraham lincoln, george washington carver and he leaves them in a fit to shift away, but