and if you start thinking about pleasing devotee then you will please nobody, and if i feel i'm so cocky now, that's all the word, i've been doing this so long that if somebody criticizes me for something and i don't think that criticism is justified i don't worry about that. ..

this is a fabulous book not because i am a political junkie but my cue from the middle. you should have said middle hot seat. [laughter] >> think you

this book is being released today it is called "the rogue" searching for the real sarah palin" and of 39 joins us to talk about the newly released book from new york. joe mcginniss how is it you ended up living next to sarah palin when you were researching your book? >> i got very lucky. i was in alaska may 2010 and actually looking for a place to live because i new-line would be out there for a few months. i wanted to live in wasilla

because of that point* in my research 80% of the people i still needed to talk to work and or the year wasilla and so when our 10 minutes away in anchorage, i found an apartment a little mother-in-law apartment rented by a school teacher. i was going to go over a 6:00 at night to sign the four month lease and a 3:00 that afternoon my cellphone rings and it was a woman named katherine taylor. she said i have been trying to reach you for months because i heard you were coming back and you want to place to live and i have a house in wasilla that is available to rent. i said where?

she said right next door to todd and sarah palin in. i said this is my lucky day. i drove up the next day to look at the house and moved in the following weekend. >> host: what was their reaction? >> guest: they were not happy. they were not happy at all. they knew who was writing a book about sarah i have already published an article in portfolio magazine about her failed attempt to build the alaska gas pipeline and that the seven '08 hurt considerably but i expected they would be mature about it. the third day i was there i was on my porch early evening and todd came walking to the fence and said were you doing here? who were you and whether you

doing here? oddly enough todd and sarah had rented the same house 3-d previous fall then decided they did not want to pay $3,000 per month so they canceled the rancho levying mrs. taylor looking for a new tenant and that was me. he said i do not like this because you are writing a book about my wife now i am worried about our privacy. will you have a long lens camera looking over the fence taking pictures and putting in microphones? i said no. i am not the "national inquirer" and as long as i am here your privacy is guaranteed because i will do nothing to violate and u.k. and consider me the buffer zone they have to get through my property first.

but he was not convinced. he felt my very presence there a couple of hours later i was standing in my porch that faces away from the sale of property low-key yet if they can't wooded lot and talking on my cellphone to my wife and massachusetts. they sent track into the backyard to surreptitiously take a cellphone picture of me and that night she posted on our her face of a page to say we have good new neighbor, teenine hear he did this period over the fence adds our property. he can see into my nine year-old bedroom.

we felt we are being stalked. i forget the exact quote but the very next day she called glenn beck and got on his radio to say this is terrible i fear for the safety of my eight children over to the sample overreaction to be moving in next door. if they had handled it differently nobody even would have know that i was living next door because it is nothing i wanted to publicize. it was just my location. we did not have to be friends but we could have got along in a civilized manner. >> host: was that you're only face-to-face meeting with the palin family? >> that is correct. >> host: right after that a new fence went up? >> guest: if there was a

10-foot high fence they built on the property next to mrs. taylor and write-up to the property line to put up a 10-foot fence in mrs. taylor's face which was an aggressive gesture on their part. the next day todd brought in a crew of carpenters and they added that high 82 make it 16 feet so it is a 10-foot fence then mailed on top of it was 16 feet high. that is the fence, when sarah did that reality tv show last year, the very first episode she starts off talking about the living next door. there was served at -- surreptitious voted -- footage of me reading a book on my deck 90 my own business and said

that is the new neighbor. i cannot even sit out here working on my papers because he might be looking at me. drill all hole in the fence so i can spy on him. that was the approach that they choke. todd actually said to me that first night, how long will you be here? i said about three or four months. he said we will just see how long that you stay here. those are the last words i heard from a pale and fam 87 joe mcginniss did you ever fear for your safety? >> guest: i did because the palin's have the ability to incite strong emotions in people and those people and

from their own guns to put it bluntly and i had a major -- the mayor of wasilla offer of guard buy he did put on patrols to watch my house and also the alaska state police were part just down the road but a couple of days after this a talk-show host name dmarc broadcast my e-mail address on his show and urged his listeners to write to me to express their opinion of what kind of the person i was too dear to move next door to sarah palin. to get the ugliest and most eight filled with threats of violence i have ever seen.

not only i was threatened, my wife was threatened in massachusetts and say we must go visit nancy she must the loan they so let's go stop by. i had somebody else right you are planning to bring your grandchildren out to visit? they better by a one-way ticket if they come out there will not go back. you will find their bodies floating in the lake. >> host: described wasilla as you see it. >> guest: it is a town coming out of nowhere almost overnight. i was in alaska the mid-70s to work on my book going to extremes and i can remember driving from anchorage to fear banks which is about eight hours. than just one hour of the road there was a blinking light telling you to slow

down and a gas station and a general store and a post office and that was wasilla. they may be had 500 people at most. not even a full-fledged traffic light of over 20 years it is the fastest-growing city in alaska. of modest people working on the pipeline settled in wasilla because the land was cheaper than in anchorage but yet close enough they could fly out of the airport to the north slope and became a boom town and then began commercial center sarah palin encourage the development of the big box stores wal-mart, lows, so

then wasilla and then with every department store, a target, they all have branches in wasilla it is now the most congested hodgepodge surrounded by the most serene and glorious landscapes stretching on hundreds of miles but it is a little cog in the artery hour-and-a-half north of anchorage. >> host: what do you mean when you describe alaska as palin's and? >> guest: she was born in idaho but arrived in wasilla very early in life and that is where she grew up. she went to wasilla high-school her father was said teacher and the elementary school and her mother was secretary at the

assembly of god church. the palin's became one of the first families of wasilla and win sarah got into politics, she began by writing course 308 -- city council then elected and then after two terms she stepped up to run for mayor and served two terms as mayor. all the while expanding her political influence then ran for the governor and lost but then ran for governor and one and john mccain than nominated her for vice president. she personified the values that were particular two wasilla especially the extreme form of evangelical christianity because it is a

militant fringe who wants to end the separation of church and state that is what she advocates and tries to bring about if she had the power to do it. with that extreme christian right and with secular society misspeak 20 storefront evangelicals but i actually list all the churches and it goes on and on a just a page and a half of all of the different churches. tiny little storefront bible from being churches evangelical christians who believe evolution is a myth

who believe that jesus christ will return to earth during her lifetime on it and herb kohl has been to prepare wasilla and alaska and america to be the christian republic that jesus would find himself at home. >> and a city of character? >> she went to an evangelical conference paid for buy the city so to have the blending of church and state and this was sponsored by character organizations cities of character our cities that bowel -- about to follow 49 biblical principles to conduct city business and develop a way

of life in the city in accordance with those 49 specific biblical principles such as obedience, but you must of a higher authority and of little list of flashcards to learn the applications of biblical truth. sarah returned from the conference and propose to the wasilla city council to become a city of character and they authorized this and it became the only citi of character in this state of alaska. these are mostly based in states with strong evangelical traditions south carolina. texas. most cities of character and for example, men of the new england states are there any

cities of character. it knows of the biblical teachings then the government. with the fundamentalist who believe in the biblical truth. >> host: why you describe sarah palin terms as a reign of terror? >> because she began to fire people as soon as she took office. the of police chief, bed town librarian two to resign, public works director, forced the resignation 71 who had supported her opponent in the mayor of the elections and replaced them all with high school friends lower

members of her assembly of god evangelical church. she tried to pack the city council was a right-wing supporters and was the autocratic leader overnight. i had talked to many people during my research some had to move out of wasilla and alaska because they displease her and she brought an end to their terms of public service and in many cases to find other jobs. people began to fears sarah palin if you are on her wrong side, she will hurt you. per and todd will come after you to find a way to get back. people were living in fear and wasilla had never seen anything like this. actually within months of

hurt election there is a meeting held to discuss the recall petition because people realize what they won't mistake that they had made but she did moderate and was reelected easily to the second term. the way she tried to impose her will and personality to look back to say there is a phrase that was used when sarah was there, that was a reign of terror because if you are on the wrong side you're in trouble it was not a happy place. >> host: the author of several books the newest is released today called "the rogue" searching for the real sarah palin" mr.

mcginniss did you witness that the year first and? >> i sure did. i witnessed it when i would call people for interviews. they would say i will talk to you but you have to promise you will not put my name in your book. because if you do god knows what will happen to me. this was exaggerated after she became her hysterical reaction to be moving in next door. people saw what she tried to do to me just have been having the nerve to live next door without bothering her and she'd they say she goes that crazy imagines she read your book twos say that i saw something critical. we would not be safe.

our children may not get into college or lose our job or scholarships. she has a lot of power. people were fearful. one incident i had defective smoke alarms in the house a was renting that had to be replaced. the handyman who would replace them called me and said i am down at the end of your street. i said come down and he said but i have to get my car ready first. 50 minutes later he pulls up by have a chain across my driveway to keep out the unwanted visitors. i was down there to let him than and i noticed both the front and rear license plates had cardboard tape to so nobody could see the numbers and said that is what i meant.

i cannot take a chance that somebody could be their next door to look down to see my license plate number ewe know that i came here to do repair work that could put me out of business. that is the fear i encountered every day. >> host: was a rational? >> guest: i think because of her vindictiveness to maintain a look at that story of troopergate of her real legal attempts to use the power of her office to force the firing of the state police man whose only offense was the fact he got divorced from cerus sister it was bitter and they did set out to destroy this man and stock zero olsten nothing and in fact, they did fire the highly acclaimed director of public safety when he refused a direct order to deliver the

troopers head on a platter. they want him fired sarah started this before governor and continued this is where she first got into trouble because she lied and said she had never done anything for the power of her office and it was recorded that she had. they spent three year four years trying to force a man out of the job but the only offense is that he had divorced sayre is sister and she was done had the to say i want to get back at him and she and tied gave a lot of time and effort to to get the man fired. >> host: you refer comity

nine to the palin's as they as a unit. >> todd actually had a desk in sears's office when she was governor and conducted a lot of state business from that office. todd would meet with department heads and committees sarai did not want to do the job. she wanted to be elected but then she found the details of governments to be confusing and boring and really did not tend to them very carefully. todd step din in the areas he had the ticket interests such as fisheries and the oil industry. he was the power and not very far behind the throne. a lot of people understood

when todd called to say he wanted something done that he was speaking for sayre and it was the same as if sarah had called. basically they govern together up until the time she was nominated for republican and vice presidency 2008. >> host: you also refer several times to the state of their marriage. >> guest: i should not say everyone but the vast majority of people who i talk to in and around wasilla who have known them for a long time, and know them well even from before they got married. the common thread was it was held together by the slender threads that there have been

constant threats of divorce and rumors of breakup, it is a loveless marriage and a business relationship. not close to each other. with the head of the security deal he would travel with sarah and todd outside the state when sir would go to washington and tom gerry would be hurt personal security officer. he got to observe sarich and todd close in the state's state's, driving them lowered traveling on airplanes and he said these two people wanted nothing to do with each other. also head of security for the two previous governors governors, both of whom were

married and said by contrast those marriages and from his vantage point* and todd and sarah was striking because there was no closeness. people who know them more personally in have been houseguest in their home and have known them for many, many years have told me that nothing but fights, arguments, the screaming matches, slamming doors, throwing things, no love. no closeness. this did not matter and would not be of any significance and i would not have written about it except for the hypocrisy sarah displays when she tried to present yourself as the personification of family values. she sells herself as the hockey mom and dad grizzly

mom the working mother and a wonderful wife with heard grace -- great partner todd and that is a myth. it is utter fraud. it is because it is the cornerstone of her political persona that i find it necessary. >> host: did you talk to people who were friends or supporters of the palin's as well as others? >> they were really hard to find. the biggest surprise that i had when i got to wasilla is how few supporters she had left. those who know her best in like curve least in fear the

most those friends they still have they instructed saying that heard daughters lawyer told the sister this is where they would go to all of the friends and family members calling two or three times to have a pleasant conversation but said i cannot talk to you. i am a member of the family i cannot sit down with the eye of nothing against you but i called sarah is father and mother and talked to her mother twice on the phone. she said oh yes. can i come to visit? >> called back next week.

i'd better ask. no. that just want to work. sarah does not want us to do that. she tried to throw up a screen around herself like the fence between the two houses. honestly come from a public relations point* of view, that was probably a mistake on her part because i would have been happy to include a prettier picture buy she made it just about impossible for me. i did talk to 11 good this is reported in "the rogue" three times during the interview she change her mind about whether she would give me permission to use her name and in the end come after the interview she got

back to me and said no. i decided you cannot. even though i only had good things to say i don't even want her to know that i talk to you because that would make her angry. so do not use my name. and i promised confidentiality so her name is not in the book. >> host: is somebody was interested in sarah palin to pick up the book and read it, is it a fair assessment to say they would see nothing positive they might think that you would have an agenda? >> mitel the agenda of was to learn as much as i could to write to in the best jury that i could tell.

when i went to alaska issue was still governor i was there election day, the day before actually. the first time i have been back in 25 years and by a whole goal was to learn about the gas pipeline. i spent three weeks focusing on the pipeline but learning a lot about sayre i could see her popularity was waning already. i was not that surprised when she quit the following summer. back in 2009 now she was no longer governor in focusing exclusively on sarah. not just to the gas pipeline. i found she had lost support, did not have friends and people did not

want to say good things about her. if she had lived a different kind of life for a different kind of person, it would be a different kind of book but she is responsible for the scope and tone of the book. >> host: using sayre and todd are the parents of trade pay 11? >> i don't know. i think there is a legitimate question. by eight -- i am very careful not to go beyond the facts. i have been balking over the past six months i would get thousands of commons who accuse me of being afraid to tell the truth about trig there is no whole coterie of people who are convinced this story of trig pregnancy

is a fabrication. i don't know. but i do know the story she has told a couple different versions of having her water break when she was making a speech in dallas texas and rushing back to our last good going to wasilla and giving birth, there are many problems with that story. i specify what they are in the book. and is still leaves me to feel on certain. if she is not, it would be the most appalling hopes ever played on the american people and that would be a terrible accusation to make without proof items have misgivings that is the way i express myself about this question. >> host: if you had the chance to talk with her what would you have faster?

>> host. >> guest: why can she give me more than fiber 10 minutes? [laughter] why do we have the miele or and now work? what are the plans where she just ringing people along? did you write the book that sarah palin feared that you would? >> i don't know that she had feared. she feels protected by divine forces. she said god opens the doors for me. anyone who thinks it is their doorman. >> host: joe mcginniss is the author of the book being released today "the rogue" searching for the real sarah palin" joining booktv from new york. thank you mr. mcginniss

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known as the breach years bible predates king james by just a few years and was very popular until the popular -- publication of the king james. it is called that because genesis chapter three, verse seven the text states the eyes were opened and they knew they renee kid and they had to really use together to make them sells breaches into the apron so instead of phil the damage, the change of the translation from the king james version this is the first time you see the word breach. also where did it is quite rich is poetry from we phyllis we lee's personal

library and our collections of zero her copy of alexander pope's poem as well as her own copy her first edition of her poems and some of the earliest examples that we have they would be used and primary education and in particular the 17th and 18th century when paper was expensive and rare. the horn overlay this clouded a bit with the

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illustrations beyond rare books we focus on manuscripts selections world history and documents an manuscript collections are primarily focused on a regional history basis of the have charlotte, and a greater share of the region. one of those is from civil-rights they preserve dr. reginald hawkins, alexander sr., as well as harry goldman editor also the student here at unc charlotte who was an activist and now a poet and renowned art is coming this

is an example and a letter that he wrote to his professor here on campus shortly after the assassination of march and is searching explaining why he could not come to class. by not attending class today was not an indication of my lack of interest in history it has shown me how awesome and devastating situations can be at times. with respect to someone i have admired with the spirit of human i could not bear to sit in class knowing that honest appraisal would not have allowed me to be intensive. and four times for me to render my personal memorial dedication to give more time to the man that i did that they agree with that all times but to to build with strong convictions they

could brotherhood of justice and peace and trust you understand my involvement. this is a poignant example of the young man's response to the assassination of dr. martin a 13 and how emotional it was but also at the time and in the dr. hawkins papers we do have some examples. and he was a civil rights activist for the desegregation of said chapel hill school and also in 1968 and 1972, at the johnson smith university who organized civil-rights actions here in am okay, jr.

sent several telegrams to him regarding organizing activities on a national level and with coordinating activities here is in charlotte with the national events. one of the most poignant telegrams, the original is on display is a telegram stating april 2nd explaining dr. king would not be able to attend a scheduled meeting april april 4th because of the situation in meant this with striking sanitation workers and poignant in part because

he would never make it and assassinated the day he was to be here in charlotte >> i want to start talking about why i wrote the book and what i hope to accomplish. i wrote the book because our party is at a crossroads. there is a division and going forward i truly believe we have to unite friday extend it on one of my fox interviews today floor karl rove and by 82 kiss and make up. i do talk a lot about the cronyism of specially the republican party in delaware that those leaders have been ousted. but i bring that up because

not to perpetuate or to fan the flames, but to put it to rest to say if that crony grow root would embrace the principles of the grass-roots crowd that our country was founded on, we will be a power house if we can unite. i detail some of those things my a campaign has endured and what i went there as a candidate to illustrate a point* of what happens when we divide instead of unites. it is no secret that the 2010 elections of the republican party was divided. but there are some examples to look at and i draw the contrast between kentucky and my race where we have

senator mitch mcconnell campaigning against rand paul. he was the worst thing to happen to politics until he wins the primary then did two of them were armed and unarmed saying that this the past. 1/2 to move forward to make sure he crosses the finish line and unfortunately that did not have been in delaware but it has to happen in order for us to win 2012. that is the message i hope people can take away with them. i try to tell the story of how i got to involved with politics. what made me embrace those principles and why i chose to become a republic in. i told it in a way that some advisers make it to honest and maybe should not have

been committed some things but then it is today. it is not about how many mistakes we have made because you cannot pretend to be perfect. it is too weary but it is about whether you get back up again and willing to own up four correct your mistakes and to forge ahead in spite of the opposition. and to talk about where i came from and the hardships that i endured so people can be inspired to get involved.

>> david, in your book you say the civil war is america is greatest failure. why is that? >> it is a failure because we went to war. it was a great political failure because that process could not accommodate different viewpoints on the major issues of the day. the major issues of the day were primarily slavery, particularly in the western territories. second, immigration. believe that our not americans were fighting in the 1850's just as much as we fight now. the fight over immigration concern the influx of 1 million irish catholics between 1847 and 1857. most historians when they

talk about the coming of the civil war talk about the issue of slavery. but what i found in my book it is anti-catholic and anti-irish catholic and anti-slavery because both came together in a new political party in the 1850's called a at the republican party. initially was founded as the anti-slavery party. one of the important things i'd like to tell my students is don't confuse anti-slavery with perot black because the republican party advertised itself has the white man's party. that is they wanted to ban slavery from the territories primarily because they did not want black slaves competing with white labor because of that was the case

then the slave labor would push out the working man because you don't have to pay wages to the slaves. the republican party advertised itself as the white working man and was very popular in the midwest and the city's of the northeast as well. the second string was the anti-catholic movement. in the early 1850's a new political party appeared called the know nothing party in response to irish immigration. they started before the revolution but the accelerated as british policy tended to empoverish and reduce the presence and

there is absolutely no future for themselves and ireland. many were dying from famine and many towns were just decimated. they decided to emigrate to america, the land of the free when they got there they realize there was a great deal of prejudice. why? they were roman catholic. what does catholicism have to do with america? two some people irish catholics though their allegiance to rome not to the president and that the voters have to have the freedom to make up their own minds that the irish catholics look to the priest, archbishop and for the marching orders on what to say or what to believe were who to vote for in was

considered an american and of course, it was totally false sometimes they believe things regardless of fact and that was the case. it was to the mid to immigration and second to limit those once they bring in the united states. they were called the know nothing party because it was a secret organization if your approach the know nothing fe said i don't know anything about the political party. the formal name was not the american party it was fairly successful in the 1850's but altmann believe they thought it would be much stronger if combined with the republican party.

the anti-catholic, anti- immigrant came together with the republican party. many people with strong evangelical protestants oppose irish catholic immigration and looked at slavery as a mortal sin and slaveholders as to have your enemy or opponent to be misguided to misinformed but actually was the poll. if you believe america was god blessed and the west german territories or extending not own a democracy but christianity across the land and across the globe, then these two people have to be vanquished. in 1858 when abraham lincoln

was not a religious figure but anti-slavery, in then those great linkdin douglas debates the slogan under which it campaigned was thank wish the twin despotism and those to strain the republican party were essentials for its success. in 1861 abraham lincoln went to the white house and was elected president many of his votes came from protestant working men in this city who could care less about the slavery issue but new the republican party as the evangelical christian party stood for the rights

of protestants over the rights of roman catholics and wanted to restrict the rights of the roman catholics. the problem was by and check the evangelical religion a polarize the process from the center it governs best near moderation and if you look at the legislation we have had in our history civil-rights, they have been the result of compromise and moderation it was much less possible in the environment where your opponent was the devil and you were the same to. it was building and climaxing with the civil war as early as the 1830's.

known as the second grade awakening started to into the process. are a start my book with the disappearance of a nine. the viewers may ask what does that have to do with the civil war? the outcome was the burning to the ground of the convent in massachusetts and fomenting fact hatred and arson was the father of harriet beecher stowe who said that roman catholics were of the devil. they had no place in america and should be dealt with as such but it was an early indication of the power and bigotry of nor