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heard of that. >> it's mckinsey and company. >> and you will be able to get that to us? what specifically are you requesting. >> they did an independent objective analysis and we don't know where it is. >> i just got it last week. let me be clear and the cedras is yours, too. we've been very focused on trying to improve and make more efficient our plans and
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mr. inhofe: mr. president, i'm here today to clear up a lot of misunderstandings that are floating around the country concerning the decision to have some of our troops not combat -- some of our troops go into sections of eastern and central africa to cooperate with about five countries who have been trying for 25 years to eradicate, get rid of a person named joseph koni.
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it disturbed me over the years that not many people care about africa. i can remember back when president clinton was in office. at that time i objected to sending troops into bosnia and kosovo because he was using as a traoepb do that ethnic cleansing. and i said here in this desk and on the floor, i said at that time why is he concerned about ethnic cleansing in bosnia when in any one given day, in any one country at that time, it was mostly in west africa -- and i use sierra leone as an example -- in any one day there are 100 people being ethnically cleansed in africa that are cleansed the same day in bosnia or kosovo. but nobody cared. fortunately, that changed when 9/11 came and people realized that there is a serious problem. when our country was attacked, it became evident that with a
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war on the terrorists in the middle east that many of them would be going down through djibou t*eu, through the horn of africa. it was decided on the senate armed services committee, on which i serve, that we would assist africa in developing five african brigades located north, south, east, west and central. that's been undergoing not as rapidly as i wish it were but nonetheless it's happening. the recognition there is that as terrorism goes down through africa that if they are prepared -- and i'm talk about the africans, prepared to handle that terrorism and to stop that terrorism as it comes in, we won't have to be sending our troops in. well, that's essentially what happened last week when the
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president decideed to send these troops into the north central part of africa to address the problem with the resistance army or l.r.a. or joseph koni. rush limbaugh talked about it yesterday -- he brought it to my attention -- i don't disagree as some on this side do. he made the statement -- i'm quoting -- until today most americans have never heard of the combat, lord's resistance army. here we are at war with them -- it's not true. have you ever heard of them? he talked about the three people who are always in his studio. don and brian and snerdley. have you ever heard of the lord's resistance army, don? no. how about you, brian? no? how about you? no no one's heard of the lord's
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resistance army. that proves my contention that most americans have never heard of it. in a moment i'm going to talk about what our mission is there. we're not at war with them. we are specifically precluding our troops from any kind of combat in that area. i'd like to just kind of put it in proper context as to the significance of this. i've had an opportunity to spend a lot of time in africa, more than any other member of this united states senate or any other member of any other senator even before that. i've had many conversations over the last 15 years with president museveni of uganda and his first lady, janet, about the problem -- it all started in northern uganda. what happened was that joseph ko tph*eu, a spiritual -- koni, a spiritual leader has gone in and started building, you can call
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them a children's army or invisible children. but to go in and build this massive army of young people. i'm talking about kids, ages from 12, 13, 14 years old. young kids, to go out and abduct them from villages. then they come in, they teach them how to operate ak-47's, how to join this army that he's put together. if they don't do it, or if they fail in their training, then they are mutilated by -- let's use the second one there. not that one. here are these young kids. it gives you an idea of how young they are. 11, 12, 13 years old with ak-47's. see that little kid there? he's 11 years old. this one down here is 12 years old. and they are carrying the heavy weapons. for the ones who don't do what he is saying, they mutilate them. show this one. and they do it by cutting off
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their noses, cutting off their ears, cutting off their lips. that's a big thing that they do. cutting off their hands. see this one right here. his name, by the way, john ochola. he's one that we have seen. they've taken his ears off, his nose off, cut off both of his hands. this one up here, this is another one down here. this is a young child. his lips cut off and his nose cut off. his ears cut off. you can see that. that one just happened. they just bandaged him up. i guess what i am saying is they are required once they are in this army to go back in their villages and to murder their siblings, murder their parents. and if they don't do it, this is the price that they pay. put the second one -- take that down and put the second one back up. so, anyway, with the decision that we made to go and help them -- and we also have a program called train and equip which i'll talk about in a
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minute. but to go in and actually be of assistance to these countries -- in this case taking out this particular maniac who's been there for 25 years. it's not just in uganda. i went up to gulu, g-u-l-u. gula is in the northern part of uganda. senator mike enzi was with me at this time. we went up and we looked at and we saw a lot of these kids that came back and had been mutilated. and went down and talked to president kigami. he is in rwanda. rwanda in 1994 is where the greatest, the most devastating murder of genocide in recorded history in africa took place, killing 800,000 people, using machetes, torturing to death. and they had the same problem down there.
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if you go over to the d.r.c., democrat republican congo. that's joe kibila. he's very much concerned. the capital of d.r.c. is way over on the western side. it's several time zones over to the eastern side where joseph kony was killing these kids at that time. in fact, there's one city over there, the major city is goma. we were in goma shortly before he escaped and went north to the central african republic and back up to south sudan. i had occasion to be in south sudan last week. it's a new country. p tofs kind of an exciting thing -- it's kind of an exciting thing to go into a new country and talk with members of parliament. we talked for a good two hours. we had 25 members of the parliament of the brand-new country south sudan. they told me their major concern is getting this guy, joseph kony.
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he's been making runs into south sudan and getting these people. this is a major thing that many of these countries have joined in to try to do something about, about joseph kony. anyway, the -- last year we find -- i got a little bit concerned that nothing was happening. one of the reasons, toeuf say this, mr. president -- i have to say this, mr. president, was nothing much was happened is if you take these countries like president museveni, president kiga ph*eu, these presidents came out of the bush, and i think they feel if they can't get renegades like this, it is a blow to their ego. i was able to get the three of them together, joe keug -- kigali and president museveni
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and we talked about being able to eradicate this monster. last year i talked with senators to pass into law the lord's resistance army disarmament and northern uganda recovery act of 2009. we had 64 cosponsors. this is the largest number of cosponsors on any kind of a bill affecting africa in history. and we had these senators, these senators cosponsoring the bill, and they all were very excited about it. then when we brought this -- let me tell you what the law says. it directs the administration to develop a regional strategy to apprehend or remove joseph kony, his top commanders to disarm, immobilize the l.r.a. fighters through political, economic and military assistance and to protect civilians from further attacks. now, the law is kind of interesting because it specifically precludes us from doing, entering into any kind of
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battle. i think that's an important thing to talk about today because almost everyone who's reporting on this, including my good friend, rush limbaugh, is talking about we're going -- our guys are going to go, and gals are going to go in combat. no, they're not going to. they are specifically precluded from doing that. it's not like it is in libya. it has nothing to do with the war powers act, because they are, these are troops that are precluded from being in harm's way. the s.a.s., senate armed services committee passed a national defense authorization act. i know this because this is language we put in. prohibits the u.s. military forces from participating in combat operations to apprehend or remove kony and the l.r.a. this is my language i put in the bill. not only are they not going to be in combat but they are precluded from being in combat. so that's what we have right
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now, it's before us today. by the way, some people have mistakenly said that this guy's a christian. i want to make sure everyone knows that he officially was disavowed by the catholic church in uganda. but i'm going to read -- this is a catholic sister, the kamboni catholic group who spent 15 years in gulu, the place i was some 15 years ago in northern uganda, has now since then been in south sudan. i'm going to quote what she said. this is a sister, a catholic sister. she said i was in gulu, north uganda when joseph kony took leadership of this group that became famous for its atrocities. i saw people whose lips, mouth, ears, nose were mercilessly cut without motivation. i still remember the six men who
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came to our premises in gu lu crying, asking for help as three of them had their right hands cut off, as we saw a minute ago. put back the one, the mutilated ones. the other three had their right feet amputated -- cut off by machetes. and it was all done by the l.r.a. i'm going on and still quoting this catholic nun. people cut into pieces with a machetes, burned alive after smearing their bodies with palm oil, small children locked in a hut and set on fire, burned alive. babies pounded in a container used to pound maize and women, girls raped, killed, abducted as sex slaves. a cotkpwoelese lady on christmas day lost 17 members of her family who had gone to church for prayer. all of them were killed with machetes. this is brutality that we have
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never seen anything like before. i think the other thing that is important to understand is that the -- we had over -- we have several programs that affect africa and other places around the world. one is called train and equip, or some know it as 12 06 or 1208. what we do with train and equip is send people in to teach them how to train people, in this case africa. we have over 1,000 u.s. forces right now doing essentially what these 100 that the president sent over are there to do. our military-to-military programs include counterterrorism, border security, maritime surveillance and all this. but not combat. as i say, they are -- number one, the thing to remember is we are already doing this. what we are doing with the 100 people sent over to africa, we have 1,000 there already doing this. and then
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secondly, it's something that is -- is very significant in our fight against terrorism in that area. we're not going to have any of our troops in combat, but this type of thing right here, to see this guy here with his nose cut off, his ears cut off, his hands cut off, all of this, this is going on today, right now, this moment as we're speaking. so i stand behind the president in his decision. i don't very often stand behind this president, but i do in this case, because we passed it without a dissenting vote. every member in here, there is not one that voted against it, so let's keep that in mind that that's the truth about what is happening now with the
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