from the past. i think among the unexpected things we have had, though -- it's the fancy things. i think we assume everything is sort of standard military issue, everybody is wearing the same thing, fighting with the same weapons. all of a sudden, you find something nice. and one fort orange, fort orange was an early dutch fort and you would expect on the frontier that everything would be simple and crude. well, they had found the fanciest glass vessels, glass bottles, from holland the nicest things way out on the frontier. soldiers, people living at forts did not just have crude simple out of date garbage if you will. they had nice things. they wanted to bring the best things from home from the mother country, from europe, with them

to the frontier of america, when archeologists find really nice things, we sort of smile to ourselves and say, those officers, those soldiers -- they did okay for themselves. >> and where are you digging now? is there an archeological dig that you're working on right now or that you're going to work on this fall? >> well, i'm doing two things right now. in the summertime i'm digging fort william henry in lake george, new york. ..

to go far away to dig something, but during the school year, campus digs, looking for the traces of their early university, that is what we love to do. i have students outdoors right now digging and it's exciting for them. 100 feet from their classroom they are digging up the storm right now. >> annie so much for your time. >> it's good to be here. scheme next, political commentator david horowitz reflects on several moments in his life and presents his philosophical thinking on life and mortality. it's a little over one hour. >> on behalf of the philadelphia freedom centered is my pleasure to welcome you to the union league club of philadelphia.

and to introduce david horowitz. i would like to thank my associate written a patrice for attending today's event. [applause] thank you, brittany. [applause] and i would like to also offer my my tank is to c-span for being here today to cover this event for its national audience. [applause] i remind you immediately following today's program david will be available to sign new copies of his book, "a point in time" at the signing table in the rear of the room. my name my name is craig snyder. and the executive director of philadelphia's freedom center. is a nonprofit organization committed to the ideals of individual and economic liberty, limited government and defense of free societies which are currently under attack by enemies both religious and secular at home and abroad. david horowitz was born into a family of dedicated communists whose parents were literally

card-carrying members of the american communist committee. as a red diaper baby growing up in new york, david was indoctrinated into the intellectual world of collectivism and as a young man he became intoxicated with the hopeful idea that all of humanity could be saved from its historical misfortunes if they were only to abandon the old world institutions and to adopt the marxist idea of social salvation. marxist each to his own he became the mantra of a generation of bolsheviks the world over. who were committed to the salvation of humanity. david was a foot soldier in the war of ideas and as his best-selling novel, radical son, explains that was not until the early 50s when the truth of stalin's genocidal atrocities were confirmed that david broke ranks with the communism of his parents and became a founding member of the new left, kinder

gentler form of social progressivism. that was the idea anyway. david along with his writing and business partner peter collier published ramparts the literary stream of the new left and he became a prominent leader of the antiwar anti-establishment left. as radical son his autobiography details a series of events culminating in the murder of his friend betty van patter by the black panthers. this was a seminal moment that led to his abandonment of the left and the embrace of conservatism for which he turned the everlasting enmity of his former comrades in arms. david is a writer, a prolific writer and he is a thinker, a deep thinker. david tells the truth, the whole truth and he is honest, brutally honest. a good writer and david is a good writer, writes the truth.

not little truths but big truth with a capital t. mac. to write the truth one has to dig deep into his or her own personal experience. that is not easy. david has made life-changing reversals. has only loyalty to find and speak the truth, truth with a capital t. mac. in his new book, "a point in time" david shares his insight into man, god and society in a way that only he can. it is an honor and a privilege to present to you a man of high moral clarity, deep inside and a clear voice in a world threatened by political correctness and cultural relativism. the world needs more men like david horowitz. i respect him, i admire him and i'm proud to be his friend. ladies and gentlemen, david horowitz. [applause]

sneed thank you greg. i want to thanked craig and brittany for putting together this event in putting together the freedom center in philadelphia, my home away from home. karl marx wrote for fat volumes which he never finished and which are virtually unreadable. when he was asked why he wrote such a long book he said because i didn't have time to write a short one. this book i have written is quite short but it took me three years to write and a lifetime to gain the understanding that i tried to communicate in these pages. the book itself began when i picked up a copy of the meditations of marcus are really a switch is a book that i remembered from my father's bookshelf, which he had just kept from college.

it was not a book as i will explain shortly, but he wanted to read as an adult or would have liked or learned from. marcus aurelius was the 19th emperor of rome. he was the emperor emperor in the film gladiator and he was by all accounts a good man and he was also a philosopher, not a formal one. he took notes to himself and these notes were found in the middle ages by monks who signed them a prefiguring of their own faith and they gave them the title that we know of the meditations of marcus aurelius. marcus aurelius was a stoic, a kind of hyperrealistic view of life and therefore a somewhat grim one depending on your perspective.

his philosophy could be summed up in these words of his. he not troubled travel for all things are according to nature and soon he will be no one and nowhere. so, this was a view of life unredeemed by either a romantic vision or a religious one. and, my father was a progressive, he was a communist but all progressives share, share this vision. he thought he could change the world, or he was participating in a movement to change the world whereas marcus aurelius did not believe in progress or history for that matter. he said, those who have seen present things have seen all.

everything from all eternity to everything that will be to the end of time. that is, things don't change because we are basically creatures, just like we are animals and our unhappiness is caused by our consciousness of the fact that, one day we will be

so there was a passage in marcus aurelius that just brought me up and it's part of his advice on how to deal with -- and stoicism is basically don't sweat the small stuff but don't sweat the big stuff either. in this passage it says when you

rise in the morning, say to yourself i shall meet to be intrusive, ungrateful, arrogant, deceitful, envious and uncharitable, but don't bother yourself with that. this is the advice part. he said is it possible that there will not the shameless people in the world? it is not possible. therefore, do not require what is impossible. that is the stoic view and that is the complete antithesis of everything that i was brought up with. i was brought up that if you meet and greets his people, you change them. i was always proselytizing when i was young and it mean if you just look out of the news today, you have in camp meant in your city center as they have on wall street, down with greed. well, anybody with a sober view of the world would say well,

greed has been part of human nature for five, 10,000 years. as long as there have been human beings. good luck to you. marcus with a historic view has a -- in marcus aurelius meditations, you have to ask yourself, well if we are going to soon be no one and nowhere and everything that we do is a race and therefore nothing has any meaning, then what's the point? why not just -- the only real decision you have is how to get out of this world as quickly as possible. and marcus aurelius of course looking at himself felt like he was a coward for not doing it. so he tries again and again to answer this question and he comes up with what to my mind is a very unsatisfying answer. he just changes the question and says, well if i look at the

world, i see it's beautiful. well, if it's beautiful then it must be a design. therefore there must be a designer. therefore, there are god to take care of us. if there are no god to take care of us, then we are living a meaningless existence. he just asserts that there are gods. i respect his position. i am an agnostic which means i just don't know. that i can live with that uncertainty. i mean, it is just my state of being. but, what this teaches us is that if even marcus aurelius had to have a faith, people need a faith. most people cannot live with the idea that life is meaningless. everything that we do adds up to

nothing. and that brings me to the second author, which i look dead in this book, which is an author who would not have appeared on my father shelves which is the great novelist toske ask it. dostoevsky and my father's eyes and the eyes of progressives was an arch reactionary who stood in the way of the beautiful future that they thought of themselves as creating. and of course that is what attracted me to dostoevsky when i had left this faith. because he began as a radical and in fact had joined a group of radicals in st. petersburg and they were arrested for plotting to kill bizarre. whether they actually were or not we don't know, and they were convicted and then they were kept in jail for four months and then they were marched out in the early morning to a parade

ground where there were three executions state's -- stakes and they were read their sentence which was death. and they started to put the blindfold on and dostoevsky, they were going to be executed in groups of three which was why they were on the cover of my book. there were three executions stakes and just before they ordered the fire to begin, somebody wrote up and gave them a reprieve. actually it had been a planned of plan of bizarre's to just punish them. dostoevsky as you may know was epileptic and whether this triggered his epilepsy we don't know but it was not a happy experience. he was sent to siberia and there he had a change of heart and mind. and i don't think anybody has written as eloquently as dostoevsky on totalitarianism

and what it means and on revolution and what it means. dostoevsky believes that human beings can't live without a higher idea and he believed that idea was immortality. but his main perception was that because people do not believe in god does not mean that they believe in nothing. and in fact, his perception was that if they do not believe in god, they will believe in themselves as gods. this of course is what every radical, what everybody out there on the occupy wall street demonstrations -- of course there's a student stupidity of young people or evolution and arrogance too. i forgive them for when i was young i was stupid and arrogant

and was always preaching the way they are in everybody's face. but, if you think of what the radical mission is, to change the world, to create a new world. that is what god does, creates the world. human beings and about of my book is about this can't create a new world because we are the cause of the problems. that is the simple idea. dostoevsky in perceiving radicals, progressives as people trying to create a new religion, a new faith, this was not an original idea because that is the way the radicals like marks saw themselves. in fact the father of french socialism actually said that socialism is a religion -- is

the religion of humanity and marks' he wrote was the mythology that stole fire from the gods so they saw themselves as acting as gods and in fact marks' holt critique of religion was human beings project onto god there only powers and therefore, he said they alienate their powers, they distance themselves from their own power so by rejecting god they can act like gods. that is basically the marxist idea. of course human beings don't project onto god their qualities and powers. the ones that they don't have. dostoevsky have this perception that it was not just atheistic radicals. you know it is not an accident

this modern radical movement all grew up around the time of darwin. and just before darwin. that is when religion was challenged and religious believes were challenge. it is a secular religion. people suffer and we are going to redeem them and it is not like we are going to redeem one's suffering individual. we are going to redeem the whole world. dostoevsky saw this actually, had already developed in roman catholicism and why is that? because catholicism had made a deal, a pact with the roman empire and it became the official religion of the roman empire. dostoevsky created a parable. it is a very famous parable called the grand inquisitor. it is just about 10 pages in his

great novel, the brothers garre mosso. in his parable, christ -- of course it takes place in the 16th century so christ has been absent for 1500 years or so. the second coming, he hasn't, and he has left people in uncertainty. for dostoevsky this is the great source of human suffering that he don't really know, we don't know who we are and we don't know why we are here and we don't know where we are going. it is an intolerable state for people and the grand inquisitor, christ comes back to earth. he never says anything in the parable, but the inquisition is arrested immediately and the grand inquisitor, this chapter is his indictment of god from the crime of creation. the indictment is that your absence. you have left people with the

decision as to whether to believe or not to believe. and that is intolerable and they can't can handle it, so you are the cause of human suffering. and so we have stepped in, that is the church, and dostoevsky projected this not only roman catholicism but socialism itself. we are going to take care of you. we will bring people happiness by giving them bread and authority. we will tell you what to believe and if you submit to us, he will be happy. that is the source of human happiness. and of course christ was tempted by, in the gospels, he was tempted by satan, who told him to throw himself down off of a cliff, cast himself off a cliff and then of course rescue himself because he is god and that would make people believe. of course christ could have

risen off the cross. god could manifest himself. god has been absent or hidden from human beings. so much history. i will come to the reason why in a second but christ didn't do this and therefore god didn't do this. judas could ask the same question. you know, we are the chosen people. why the holocaust? the target now of the second holocaust of the world, and you know we don't have an answer. god doesn't give us an answer. so the question is then why has god -- and this is the

interesting, this is dostoevsky's position. it's very interesting and that is what makes us human? what makes us human is the ability to choose, our freedom. to make a choice of whether to believe in god or not, whether to be good or not to be good or whether to do the right thing or not the right thing. so, insofar as we are human, we have to have this freedom. otherwise what may become is dostoevsky's metaphor is an anthill. everybody is the queen and, the pope or the chief rabbi or whatever, the dictator and then we all submit and then we will be happy because people will tell us what to do and so, it is

our freedom that makes us human. it is also our freedom that makes the world out there, society, such a bad place. if people didn't have a choice and they had to be good because you know god was only going to be good and we didn't have any questions as to what the right path was, we wouldn't have wars, we wouldn't have all the things that we have that progressives complain about and radical missionaries complain about. this all comes from choice. the subtitle of my book is redemption in this life or the next. that redemption in the next life is something that nobody can know whether there is. if you are religious and you

believe in divinity, you will probably will also have the faith that it will all be sorted out. it will all be made clear to us why innocents suffer, and dostoevsky has an amazing chapter about children suffering. why do children suffer? how can a just and compassionate god sanctioned the suffering of little children? he has horrible stories in the book, so we have the same stories in the world today. people who think that mankind is morally improving, you just have to look at the abuse of children, which is global. there are billions of children in slavery as we speak. there is a carpet that obama put in the white house and on the

carpet is inscribed the words, the moral arc of the universe is bent towards justice, and is it? does anybody think that there is a century with more innocents murdered and tortured in the 20th century? who could possibly think that the moral arc of the universe is bent towards justice? what progressives, revolutionaries, radicals, socialists, communists, social justice crusaders believe is that the problem is society. society divides people. society elevates some and keeps

others down. society persuades us to go to unnecessary wars. society is the problem. society makes criminals. that society doesn't -- there is no society. society is us. society is a reflection of who we are. everybody has in them the capacity for selfishness, aggression, doing things that are unjust. we make moral choices all the time. sometimes we make choices that are immoral. the better among us make fewer of those choices and the crimes we commit our probably misdemeanors. but, and maybe there are saints who walk among us but they are

certainly rare. so we are the problem. but if we are the problem, then we can't fix the problem, can we? because putting people in power does what? it takes the same type of person that is causing the problem and gives them a lot of power over the rest of us and that is why you know, you would think by the way that some of these young people woke up after day anointed their messiah, obama, put him in the white house and thinks it things have turned out so badly they would understand that these problems aren't fixable in the way they think that they are. they are fixable. if you believe that the problem lies outside us, then you can believe that we can solve the problems. and that is what i mean by redemption in this life. you create meaning because you

are the creators of the new world. how meaningful is that? that is certainly a big meaning for life. but you cannot only do that if you see the problem is outside of you and you are not implicated in the problem. if you believe that the corruption is in our nature, that we are the problem, then the only possibility of redemption is through divinity and in the next life. you have to see the corruption as being in the us and then you have a religious view. i think this is a view that is relatively benign, because it doesn't empower the people in the sense that they are god's. however, seeing the corruption is within us is right back to the idea that what makes us human is our freedom, our

freedom to do wrong as well as right and of course that is right in the chapters of genesis, the opening of genesis. adam and eve, it was better than socialism, even. he didn't die, he didn't have to work. there was no pain. i mean come on, this is it everybody but no, no. one thing that our forbearance should not do which was to eat of the tree, the knowledge of good and evil and of course to no evil, you have to participate in it and it is that freedom god gave been genesis, god gave adam and eve the freedom to choose right and wrong and they chose wrong. so they were expelled from paradise. this to me is the most insightful parable of where we are and the experiences we have all had through our lifetimes.

that is, human beings are not fit to live and a paradise because they want, they want the choice. in wanting the choice they will make bad choices. all of us make bad choices, some bigger, some lesser but we all do it so we are all implicated. and of course god can say an angel with a flaming sword at the gates of eden to keep us from returning. he could only return by a divine agency. when you come down to it, you realize what progressives want to do, what socialists want to do and what commenters want to do, and actually just to amplify this in one way, what islamists, the islamic, the muslim jihadist, although they believe in a divinity fake think they can make this world holy i purging it of infidels and by

instituting god's law because they believe that what they have god in the seventh century is god's law. so they are just as dangerous. and of course the radicals are now in the tacit alliance with the islamic jihadist, running interference with them and doing what they did for the communist when the communist empire was going strong. and that is of course because they see us and the state of israel as the great and literal state keeping their paradise from being achieved. and, i guess what has struck me in thy lifetime of unfortunately paying attention to politics all the time, if i had to choose a life, i think -- we don't choose

their parents. we don't choose their lives. it has been an interesting life, but i can see a lot of other things that i would rather have been doing than engaging in politics. it is funny because i once interviewed, and journalistic work, i interviewed a prosecutor who started out as a defense attorney. i said, why did you switch from being a defense attorney? he said because i didn't want to hang out with criminals. [laughter] but the thing that i have learned, the one thing that i've learned is how we don't learn from our experience collectively. individuals learn, some individuals. they pay attention. but mankind does not learn, collectively learned. and this was brought home to me

because i had to read dostoevsky wrote a series. he edited a magazine called diary of a writer, and in the magazines, he had articles which were autobiographical. he covered a lot of court cases and if you've read you read them, you will be impressed with how similar they are to anything with the same kinds of discussions going on today. that his jury's finding all kinds of excuses for criminals, bad parenting, whatever, bad circumstances that were justified the worst crimes. you will recognize these things. but anyway, here's the passage that struck me. he had been discovered by a

literary critic when he was a young man named galinsky. belinsky was a radical who brought them into this radical circle. do you no belinsky screeched one evening, sometimes if that he was very excited he would screech as he turned to me, do you know that man's sins that cannot be counted against him? when society is set up in such a mean fashion man cannot help to do wrong. economic factors alone lead him to do wrong and it is absurd and cruel to demand from a man something the very laws of nature make it impossible for him to carry out even if you wanted to. in other words, society causes people to be criminals as in the people themselves. dostoevsky's grand inquisitor says the same thing too. he says do dean of the centuries

will pass a mankind will proclaim with the mouth of its wisdom in science at there is no crime and therefore no sin but only hungry men. feed them first and then ask virtue of them. that is what they will write up a banner they race against you and by which her temple will be destroyed. feed them first and then comes virtue. now, if you have ever seen the play mother courage, he is a wretched individual, but as an individual, but also a communist and brecht wrote in mother courage, first comes feeding, then comes morality. people are not responsible for what they do. society becomes responsible. and if that is the case, then society will make people good

and that is the totalitarian, the totalitarian fantasy. would dostoevsky also said is that because of our -- that choice that makes us suffer, uncertainty makes us suffer. the first thing people will do when they are given freedom they seek and object to worship, seek a cause to worship, seek a leader to worship. which is the first thing you want to know when you look at the world today. stalin whom all progressives -- i shouldn't say all progressives, 90% of progressives supported the soviet union. even those who became -- after stalin died understood he committed crimes and became anti, anti-communist which is a

way of supporting the enterprise that produced all and. stalin killed virtually a member of every single family in the soviet union. that is how many people he killed. but when he died, millions of people flocked to his funeral procession. so many people that the thousand people were trampled to death by the throngs worshiping stalin, and of course they created a mausoleum for him where people would line up for 10 hours just to view his corpse embalmed. when they took a poll in the late 50s, stalin died at 53, in the poll, the three greatest

russians voted by the russian people who had lived through this were ivan nevsky, peter the great and joseph stalin. this shows the persistence of this and the demonstrators out there in greed and capitalism without the foggiest idea what they were going to replace it with. that is without ever having fraught through the problems. how to get people to work? how do you manage people? how do you give them incentives? never having given a second thought to that. this shows how the desire for a redemption in this life persists, the illusion and it shows us the problem, the problem that we face with it. because there is one other dimension to this, which is this. if you believe that you can create the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is what every

fantasy of social justice is about, it's about a world where there is no suffering and there is no inequality and there is no racism, no sexism, no, no islamaphobia, no conflict basically. if you think you can create no poverty, if you think the war, if you think you can create such a world, what crime will you not commit to achieve that? what lie would you not tell? or if you don't have the stomach for committing the crime, what crime would you not support? the american left now, in its majority, is supporting one way or another hamas, which is an organization just dedicated to killing the which says so on its own charter. how can progressive people, people who say they are for social justice, the supporters of hamas? they can because they have this

vision of a redeemed future and who is standing in the way of that? it? it is america and the jewish. and how women isn't is that of say the 1930s? so, marcus aurelius is right about the illusion of poverty and of course it is a very classical view. landscape el, the roman general concord hostage and set fire to this great city of car seats, he left -- car since he left because he saw the future. anyway a lot of this book is about animals because i think you can learn from animals what

life is about. atheism is a form of faith, a destructive faith in the hands of radical us. there is only faith. there is only faith. there is faith or just an all at the mystery of it. i just read a book by frances collins called the language of god. he is the head of the genome project and a scientist. he started as an atheist and now he is a person of faith, but in summarizing our scientific knowledge today, the fact is that we know that the world and the universe again as a consensus and began with the big bang but what set off the bang? they don't know. they don't have the foggiest idea as to how the universe was created. when we come to the next great question, okay that was a big bang and there was all this matter or whatever it is, how do you create life out of that?

they haven't the foggiest idea. we see it through a -- is the gospel says. maybe later we will see save face to face but we don't know. if you accept that you will get a kind of still local view of the world and you certainly understand that it is very difficult to make things better than they are across the board but it is not so difficult to make things worse which we see repeated over and over again. if there is a redemption, that we can accomplish, it is like one person at a time and in order to help another person or heal another person, you have to have that person willing

cooperation. human beings cannot he manipulated like ants and the vision of socialism and the vision of an earthly redemption, a vision of revolution is a vision of content for human beings and their ability and their desire to make choices. so when the socialists come to power, they face people, certainly like the people in this room who will resist them and they need to force them to be good or just. socialists. that is the danger we face. we face a with islam, we face it from the left. we face it from people who are called liberals in this country you want to make us good and are continually passing laws to do

so. anyway, that is what my little book is about. thank you for listening. [applause] >> we are going to pass the mic around for those of you that would like to have any questions answered. for anyone who needs to leave early it is about 1:20 almost now, but there will be a book signing immediately following the short question and answer period. >> hello david. christic all. you were kind enough to be on the show this morning. i appreciated. whft. i will do a plug. appreciated. talk to debbie hbt in the morning. david was good not to join me this morning and i will start by asking what asu on the show.

i'm fascinated with environmentalism, extreme environmentalism that seems to be certainly a very close cousin to some the things you are talking about, anarchists, socialists and things of that nature. can you talk about that? >> actually once wrote an article for national review called from red to green. it's a radical environmentalism that is a radical's wet dream because one of the problems that the socialists, the marxist left had was how are we going to get a revolution and the answer was the working-class, and of course in the 60s and the hardhats, the construction workers were reading up leftist demonstratore world the working-class never acted the way mark said they would as a revolutionary agent. and having conservative workers,

they were called reagan democrats, it just blows apart the whole vision. how wonderful to have people that you are defending not be workers but trees. [laughter] they can say hey wait a minute i don't need this kind of help. the other aspect of environment was so attracted to radicals that it is apocalyptic. radicalism is always about an apocalyptic vision because it is a religious redemption. you are either saved or you are. and you know i use this in my political speeches, but liberals are like hellfire preachers when you think of it. you know if you don't agree with them then you are a racist or a sexist or a.

conservatives reply to that by calling them liberal -- [laughter] so the apocalypse wrote rota number famously said the choice is socialism or barbarism. in the 30s it was communism or fascism. it is always this apocalypse and why? because if you are facing and apocalypse or you give people a lot of power. so there is no and. you want the government to do this to save the planet. how can you say no to that? i mean you know, so it is just the perfect cause and a lot of the communist radicals went into the environment. which doesn't mean that every environmental issue is a revolutionary issue. there are plenty of ways to

regard the environment, to treat it better than we have. i mean we have got cleaner air now and that is good. shortage of surrendering all of our freedom to these plans. the cap-and-trade bill, they will regulate the energy use in your house. the government is telling you how many times you can flip on the lights are not. you just get a narrower and arrows space of choice. >> david i will never forget the back-and-forth you had with the jewish hater islamist at the university and my kids are way out of college but i feel there is something that i personally want to do to help better jewish perception on campus. is there anything you can recommend to me that i can do with my time and effort? >> well, for those of you who aren't familiar with this, this is a youtube video of a talk

i gave at the university of california san diego. and when i had finished a young woman wearing a headscarf who identified herself later as a member of the muslim student association, which is the arm of the muslim brotherhood, although that perception is still, has an reach enough people, but it is an arm of the muslim brotherhood and it is the sponsor of hating offense on kalisch campuses with the illusion of campus left and the administration's. and i asked her, forget the exact question she asked but i asked her if she would condemn hamas as a terrorist organization and she said, do you want to crucify me? which took me aback. i have been through these, that kind of encounter many times.

i said, what you mean by that? she said well if i don't condemn him than i will be arrested by homeland security so in other words in her mind we live in a fascist state and people who support, supporters of hamas instead of being invited to the white house they -- as they often are, will be put in jail. so i said okay i will put it to you this way. the head of hezbollah has said he wants us all together in israel so he doesn't have to hunt this down globally. for or against. she said for it and that should be a revelation to people although while i am here in philadelphia i have met with some jewish students at u. penn that do not begin to understand this about the muslim students association or about the threat that the jewish base.

there is no more an battle group on college campuses than the jewish students, more harassed particularly if they are is release. there are organizations that can help out a positive image of israel. israel is the only taller and decent society in the middle east. there is no question about it but of course you never get to that question because they throw this huge lie in your face that israel stole the land from the arabs. anybody who does not know this, the land on which israel was created belonged to the turks for 400 years before israel was created. also, 80% of the so-called palestine mandate. palestine was never a country, and every nationality. it was a geographical region

like new england. that is what palestine means. the romans gave that name to this area. anyway, this is the lie. there is no land that israel stole. i was going to say that the indians claim to america is stronger than the arabs are palestinian claim to israel. so be mindful of factthat, americans. because the left, it never stops unless it runs into a stonewall. that is the reality of the left. but they stand with us in such an organization. our center, the freedom center is carrying on an education campaign on college campuses to educate the facts in the middle east. we have a one party resident

under universities who cannot believe the censorship of editors, simple statements and back. you cannot associate in make it a fact within arab or a palestinian, or at least i can't, and get -- in the paper. i've succeeded in six or seven papers but the number of rejections that i get and you know they start out with reasons and then when i refute the reason they just say well we are not going to run the ad. anyway. and that is because the left is very good. if you shut down discussions on communism by yelling mccarthyism all the time. it showed sounds discussion of palestinian genocidal intentions

you know i pointed out, israel is not responsible for the palestinian suffering. the palestinians are in and the arabs are. it is the historical reality. [applause] i said the said ucla for example. i said, forget who is responsible for seconds. just hold off on who is responsible. people have suffered for thousands of years but never in the history of the world as a people strap bombs onto its own children, told them to blow up other children and if they are lucky enough to be male they are going to go to heaven and get 72 virgins. this is a sick, sick culture. sober that i was called and islamaphobes. i didn't use the word islam.

not only called, there is an official resolution at usc, ucla, sponsored voted 10-0, not a single vote of opposition on the student cancel of the anti-islamaphobia resolution which says that david horowitz said that islam is a sick, sick culture in his speech on this campus. i have published a video of the speech in the transcript of the speech. it's an absolute lie but this campaign is a global campaign started by the muslim brotherhood that he is now sponsored by the center for american progress which is the brain trust of the democratic party. this is how far this has gone. they put out a 130 page report on islamaphobia. i am and islamaphobes for that kind of statement. which is just a negative attempt to suppress free speech by

declaring it, america is a wonderfully tolerant society so if you call somebody a racist, unless they happen to be al sharpton, that puts them out of the respect -- respectable discussion or if you call them and islamaphobes that will. this is a movement that has gone very far in the u.n.. is a movement in our country that has the support of the heart of the liberal establishment. to shut down the free speech of critics of islam. and i say islam because organized islam treats women as second-class citizens. islamic doctrine sanctions the beating of women, wives in particular.

are unpersons in islam and terror sanctioned in islam. hitler hid the final solution from the germans because they thought they were too civilized to accept his plan to eliminate the jewish. ahmadinejad shouts it from the rooftops. we are going to wipe out israel and the united states. name me one, one muslim leader, one muslim government that has condemned that statement. that is the problem we face, and most people are in denial because it is a horrible problem. >> david, what do you think is going to take to beat that problem? we are not confronting it right now. egypt and libya look like they are tipping in that direction. we have had 30 years of the

islamic revolution. >> americans wake up slowly. you know, there is always two-sided impacts of things, the law of unintended consequences but also good things have sometimes negative consequences. america is probably the happiest country on the face of the earth. there is so much to do here. there is so much freedom. there is so much opportunity. so, in 1941, just to give a whole graph, it sure at this problem, in 1941 hitler had overrun all of western europe and worldly holy -- holding out by a thread. the japanese had conquered all of southeast asia, manchuria and gallup did a poll among

americans in april 1941. .. without being aware, those of us who have, without being stigmatized and attempt made to isolate us and shut us down and d - access the to college papers on college campuses. i fear there will be agreed

atrocity and i just see it. with the israelis just did invites terror. you trade one soldier for thousand murders with a premium and that puts on the next kidnapping and if you go to moscow website it says the brigades liberated a thousand freedom fighters. that's the enemy. these are not nazis. you don't want to encourage them. the posture of every western government right now including the israelis. let's try to make a deal with them. what i talked to the college students, for example, that's their attitude if i bring up these unpleasant realities. well, some of us bring those unpleasant realities over and over until we are shut down or

americans wake up. thank you. >> we are going to have one last question, david, and then proceed with the book signing. thank you. >> thank you. on september 11th, 2001, we had a tremendous wake-up call. every one of us experienced different emotions that day, different sites they saw. for me, the most disturbing was to see americans in dearborn and paterson, new jersey, celebrating with the destruction of the towers and the crash into the pentagon and the field in pennsylvania. these suppose it americans celebrated -- it was very briefly on the media and since then there has been a virtual ban -- >> that's because they were muslims. >> what we do about this? >> we have to speak up until -- not everybody can do this.

it you know, some of us are constitutionally more suited to combat. i don't find it pleasant that i cannot go to a college campus without bodyguards and i'm not the only conservative. you just got to keep speaking up until people we cup, and unfortunately what it usually takes is an atrocity. although we've had atrocities, we had a major hasan screaming and the terrorist, i'm a terrorist and was promoted while screening that from major to captain and even after he killed 13 of our soldiers and armed, he will head of the army, casey said it was worth it for diversity. it isn't worth it. but the issue is very much -- we

have a little pamphlet that we have which describes this campaign is to prevent people come and of course the news media -- some of them are of course on msnbc they are reaching lunatic leftists, but the most news people who are just careerists and are not highly informed and don't want to offend people. so in the name of not offending muslims, we don't tell the truth. muslims celebrate it on the 9/11, those muslims did. they would say you are attacking all muslims. no, we are attacking the ones that celebrated the we want to say who they were. i don't know, white people so bring a lynching or something everybody would say it was white people. they don't want to conceal the identity. the fact of the matter is in america today the fbi crime

statistics show jews are the most persecuted religion. the whole question about is eight times, i've got to get this exactly right or will appear in media matters as soon as this are committed by muslims and that to me it is a crime against the jewish students on campusfae accusation that israel is an apartheid state when it's the only non-apartheid state in the middle east, and of course the desire to college an apartheid state is to destroy it because the model in south africa want to destroy the jewish state your call with an apartheid state and erasing it. genocide is the agenda of the muslim students association, students for justice and palestine, hamas, hezbollah,

iran, and now we have egypt of course it's not just jews, for those of you who are not jews, they are slaughtering christians in egypt because the muslim brotherhood is on the rise. with this phony arab spring. yeah there were good people who went out in the square in cairo, but the revolution in the middle east is a fascist revolution, and it spells enormous trouble and probably war sooner rather than later. thank you all. [applause] >> for more information about the author come visit horowitzfreedomcenter.org. >> tell us about thad and what he does. you say that he is the most complex and difficult that you have written about in any of your books. take that, mark roi zuckerberg. [laughter]

tell us a little bit about him and what mainly attracted you to tell his story. >> well, i mean thad roberts basically came from a very hard background, very fundamentally mormon family. he was kicked out his house when he was 18 for admitting to premarital sex. and then he decided he wanted to be an astronaut he changed his whole life and became a kind of james bond and he majored in geology and physics and astronomy at the university of utah and learn how to fly airplanes and scuba dive and spoke, you know, what i said five languages and then he got into nasa's johnson center is a college program for kids but it is a theater to the astronaut program so he was achieving the dream. he was a stand-up comedy is a big star. he became the social leader of the co-ops and the interns and then he fell in love with a young intern and we've all done something stupid out of love. what he did is he stole a 600-pound safe full moon rocks from his professor's office and

as i said, spread them on a bed, had sex with his girlfriend and tried to spread them over the internet to a belgium jim dealers -- >> whose name is -- >> [inaudible] you couldn't have invented this guy. [laughter] he's never been out of this place in his life, she collects rocks and trades them every monday night in this huge center or all of these guys treat rocks. [laughter] his hobby is poppin' j which are never heard of where there is a wooden bird on a 100-foot pole and all these men shoot with crossbows. this is a real sport. so they've got moon rocks for sale and he is a big believer in right and wrong so he immediately called the fbi and became a big a sting operations and thad roberts i don't want to give away but you know he got

arrested. [laughter] >> you obviously have come off with enormous success with not only the book but the fact they are then converted to movies which helps in terms of that notoriety. >> they always change the titles and it's annoying to respect the first one they have to -- >> you're locked in, right? >> you are working on that time the social network was being done so there was some kind of overlap in that way actors and actresses are only as good as the will let the choose you explain notwithstanding all the stories you could have told what was it that attracted you to this particular? >> for me the stories come to me. i don't look for them anymore for since bringing down the house and get 20 or 35 every college kid who does something crazy will call me.

[laughter] i've always wanted to write about nasa. i think it's amazing that when you think of a skull to think of the 60's and tom hanks and this let me get inside nasa today. thad robbers out of the blue he had just gotten out of prison, he was on probation and was weird because i never met someone who's been a decade in prison before so i arranged to meet him in a crowded hotel lobby but he's been a charismatic and good looking like a smart guy who did something stupid. he really was and i was amazed no one had written about the story. there had been one article in the l.a. times plebeian texas there had been more but i hadn't seen anything about this and i just couldn't believe it and so the first thing i did is i filed information at the fbi to get the fbi file thousands of pages i got when the fbi agents took them down on the lawyers and the

first thing he says when he walks into the restaurant is if you are wearing a wire i screwed. it was about a year long interviewing everybody i could come and so there is one section in the but i think is the correspondence between thad and by then and robinson. >> because he was a geologist. >> you are reprinting their e-mails. they are in fact -- he was excited i was having this. he actually gave him as a gift for solving the moonrock caper they named in astrid after him so there is an asteroid floating around the sun somewhere but everything in the book is reprinted directly and a lot of the dialogue is actually straight from the transcript and

everything. i do get attacked a lot in the press for my style, which is a very kind of dramatic cinematic way of telling and non-fiction story but the reality is that everything in here is from. >> that's something i wanted to visit about. that came about in bringing down the house so i hope to talk about that technique that you employee as a writer. how you employ that and why "the new york times" review came out yesterday she hated it. >> that's part of it. so tell me what -- >> it's been like this my entire career. i'm a very cinematic fielder and this is the kind of stuff i'd like to read and it is a form of journalism i guess i get all the information i interviewed just about everybody, thousands of pages of court documents called

the fbi stuff and then i sit down and i tell the story in a very visual way, and there are going to be journalists who do not like it, certainly jam it is one of those. i don't write for what janet to my right for me and the people that like this but the reality is it is a true story and as true as any other thing on the non-fiction you see a biography of cleopatra come on and nobody knows anything about cleopatra and a biography of abraham lincoln and, you know, obama's biography has invented characters it's a process you have to take the fact and then write a certain way. i choose to write it in a very cinematically. so, for instance i will interview that roberts and the ot