federal courts and our colleague cords the country.

>> on thursday, vice president joe biden was the keynote speaker at the annual nokia love school communications first words. these awards honor new hampshire free-speech advocates. from the capitol center for the arts in concord, new hampshire, this is an hour and 15 minutes. >> my name is joe mcquaid and i am the president of the stack

nackey s. loeb school of communications and i.t. thank you for being here this evening and for that tonight, which i think will be very exciting. the sponsors names are in your programs. you know who you are. better than i do. i keep mispronouncing diane mercer's bang. we'll raid or has been a supporter of this event school for an awful long time and it allows us a level of calm for to do what we do and get the speakers began. mark wieden is in new hampshire and i've asked him to say a few words. we please welcome him. [applause] >> thank you very much. on behalf of the waste

management, our employees and their families, i am very pleased to welcome you all to this evening celebration of the nackey s. loeb first amendment award. both we'll greater waste management have been a part of this trading business community. we've been married for quality, integrity and community commitment of one of the state's greatest cultural and intellectual asset. since reopened for business or than 40 years. fortunate readers have enjoyed this publication since the end of the 19th century. so we are delighted to join you at the ports "the portsmouth herald" and accept this prestigious award. most important of all, we honor to share with you in recognizing an enterprise that for more than a century has steadfastly upheld

the pair tradition of american freedoms. the herald's achievement helpings change state laws to better protect free enterprise, free expression and expand the right to know firing for us all. it is also a vivid affirmation of the intent of the founding fathers, leaders who fought for all the free speech and infringed upon a free press. sounding of the nackey s. loeb school and the maturation of the first amendment award in 2003 both result of the enduring legacy of the family have continued to defend these import racer widespread education and opportunity. two nights event is from the generosity of new hampshire businesses and citizens throughout the year to enable the school to offer free topics that embrace the first amendment classes include news, sports, editorial, political and feature writing, social media, and broadcasting. since 1999, 5000 people people

people people the nackey s. loeb school. advocating first amendment rights is a list of previous award recipients. montgomery of former new hampshire attorney general, political activist, city counselor, high school teacher and school board member. with the deepest congratulations of the wheelabrator organization to the loeb family come between conscience and professional plug-ins add the "the portsmouth herald" and insightful journalism of howard altschiller and elizabeth dimond and the leadership represented here tonight they distinguished by its president joe biden. we are pleased to acknowledge the first amendment in this great state and country is well

guarded. thank you for coming this evening in paris stringy and congratulating "the portsmouth herald." [applause] >> well said, mark. i think you spare david toles saki a lot of what we are going to say about the school. it is very near and dear to all of our hearts and quite an exceptional institution. he stole my thunder are saying that the first amendment is doing pretty well. protection and protection is a signature part of the school. i would say the first amendment that complements here in new hampshire have seen some pretty bright moments. we honor one of those in the "the portsmouth herald" work and a recent union later case in which attorney katie sullivan

won a unanimous state supreme court ruling concerning public pension fund. our speaker knows a few things for freedom of speech and assembly and crafting laws under our constitution. before you as vice president, joe biden was u.s. senator. before he was a senator, he was the son of blue-collar in scranton pennsylvania. small world. that newspaper, one of its owners served until recently on the directors. joe biden was said among the youngest man ever to be made to the u.s. senate. this is just a wild guess, but other than the late ted kennedy, he may have been the latest center ever to feel the sting of a patron editorial by union later publisher william loeb. [laughter] i will leave that to him, but i

have an autographed copy in my pocket. i would like to say this about joe biden. in a world where politicians danced around the issues and avoid confrontation or even eye contact, this man does not back away. teresa senate, tracy candidate, he lets you know where he stands and he tells you why he will not shy away from arguments they need past have your a game if you're going to engage with them. he's been a tireless ally confidant in world way troubleshooter for president obama and it's done so in a period in our history that has brought with it unprecedented challenge. he joins on this event and we are grateful for his service to the nation and i am honored to introduce you to vice president of the united states, the

honorable joseph eyton. [applause] >> folks, how are you? thank you. thank you very much. please, thank you. you're very kind and joe is very kind in his introduction. when we were backstage -- by the way, i understand my friend rick santorum is here at last year. if he is here, good luck buddy, hope you did better than i did. rick and i worked together in the delaware valley issues because i represent double for years and he represented pennsylvania. and it used to be we could disagree without being disagreeable. rick, i miss seeing you.

and good luck if you're here. if not, so i'll pass it on to you i hope. show and i've have known each other for a while and we were backstage and he was kind enough to welcome you. i looked at him and said show, mr. loeb is probably rolling over in his grave right now. and show immediately pulled out a copy of an editorial i literally have had for the last 35 years hanging in a cold frame on the wall in the bathroom next to name your to remain me that humility is always referred. i was having to debate with jesse helme, who later is shown to us my friend. i was at his funeral and with the preface for his book and i am still friends with his wife and his children. jesse was that blacks and eloquently in her first year in

the senate about why senators didn't deserve to be paid. i found that somewhat difficult behemoths as the poorest man in the congress cannot literally, not figuratively and jesse having significant wealth at the time. so i got up and joe says i always say what they mean. the problem is that i say it. i stood up and i said, i can understand what the senator from north carolina doesn't think he's worth $42,500, but the rest of us are. and with that, mr. loeb did a front page but fox editorial titled such conceit. and this is proof of freedom of speech. he said it and i am here and he has not come back to grab joe. mark, it is an honor to be with you. mark not only in "the portsmouth

herald" not only are award winners, the mark is doing something that is remarkable. and that is his company whose beating in the forefront of renewable energy i think is going to be part of the trailblazing possibilities that the united states continues to lead in the 21st century, they thank you for your work. folks, again i want to thank the foundation of the school for inviting me to be here as you present an award that honors ideas, ideas central to the foundation of our nation, freedom of speech and the free flow of information. it is an honor to be at a school that embodies those principles. and you know, all of you here know your state's motto. live free or die. governor, i can't see, but is the governor here? the governor knows that better than anybody.

the only bad thing happening in new hampshire is you're not running again as far as i'm concerned. [applause] i put my hand up, but i can't see what the lie to my face. governor, it's great to be with you. the governor often are made to meet at the motto is live free or die. some of you may not know that that quote came from a toast by a former governor of new hampshire, john stark come at a dinner celebrating the battle up and attend the victory the revolutionary work. she gazed freedom fighters have at their disposal an array of advanced technologies that john stark and america's founding fathers, even bill loeb could not possibly have imagined. those of instantaneous communication might the internet, text messaging, e-mail and social networks that cross borders literally at the speed of light linking people with diverse cultures and a world

more closely connect to it than any time in history. these new technologies in the way they impact on the first amendment and first amendment values are literally capable of changing the world in a sudden and profound ways as we were just beginning to understand. as i would like to talk with you tonight. the link to speech, the march of technology and the human struggle for freedom. as you all know it has deep historical roots. our revolution was inspired by pamphleteers like thomas paine, our draft constitution was approved after a vigorous public debate, framed widely as a consequence of the circulated essays that we have come to know as the federalist papers. european revolutionaries during the spring of nations, that is the uprising that swept the continent in 1848 benefited from

the rise early in the 19th century of mass circulation, popular press that gave ordinary citizens information about landmark events. within and beyond their borders. it was contagious. and during the cold war, radio and later copying machines gave people trapped behind the iron curtain a window on the outside world and the ability to distribute that material, fueling the drive for a better life to help bring down the berlin wall 22 years ago. parenthetically, i would note that i remember going through checkpoint charlie as a u.s. senator and being searched -- everything being searched. i brought my son with me so he could see and understand what depression was about. and the one thing they let for

was any and reading material and any ability to copy the material that was banned. you now, from a control room in the empire state building, radio free europe radio liberty began. and they started off by using a simple tagline, sane and the american tradition of free speech. and despite propaganda that they were both tools that the u.s. government, and they earned worldwide reputations for journalistic independence and they became recognized as beacons of truth throughout the world. average citizens to use berlin to moscow literally hung around soft -- short wave radios

clandestinely listening to the truth denied them by their own governments. it took heart in knowing, knowing that the road had not forgot them. the most damaging thing to oppressed people is convince them that no one else knows and no one else cares. ..

>> all of this was driven home to me by my mother in the nobel prize winning prize winner. on the visit to the united states foreign relations committee in 1991 it is a small room and as joe those we invite world leaders to come in and have lunch with us, members of the committee with no staff. now that the door, these double doors in the beautiful room in the capitol with a large table about the size of the cabinet room, the size of the table in the cabinet room at the white house coming and we were told he was running a little behind so i was the first in line because i was a ranking member then. our german was not able to be there. i walked to a phone in the corner of the room and just as i

got on the phone, in bursts lake, now president of poland the solidarity mo moment that helped topple the communist regime and here he was the newly minted president of the newly free nation. i don't know intentionally if he was supposed to shake hands and he walked over to me because i had known him and he put his hands and said thank you. solidarity, and you he said no. this is his answer. i will never forget, she said no. radio free europe and the holy father. they brought the walls down. and he is right.

one of the things that tyrants have always known is that information is power and it's a powerful, powerful weapon in the hands of a free people. because of some ask why is it rips off the bench of deceit for all to see and emboldens that hard-pressed to be free. look at today's cutting its technology will be on radio, twitter, facebook, text messaging, cellphone videos. house startlingly rapid the day or unmasking the lives of tyrants. faster than ever before in world history. more than that, they have given everyone in the oppressed land a

worldwide platform literally in their pockets in a way to both listen and speak which the printing press, radio, television and the other tools of liberty from earlier times could not and did not. is neither inherently good more inherently bad. the same networks and devices and internet enable them to take on the oppressive dictators are also using the same dictators to tighten their grip on power. but from the leaders of the world who do not fear their citizens, but rather want to earn the respect and support these technologies are also

having a number of overwhelmingly positive effects on government. technology is enabling the government to be more transparent, to give the citizens greater insight into how decisions are made and for those citizens demand that in sight and accountability, to released through the freedom of information act and can be uploaded on the internet so not just the person who made the request for the whole world to it has a powerful, powerful impact on the government when to withhold information in the first place. flexible the state department places on a historical series on american foreign policy revealing internal papers many of them newly declassified

critical of the decisions we made earlier, we as a country. proof of the strength of our system and democracy, part of what i refer to as american exceptional was on and because recent years many americans have lost faith in their ability to manage their tax dollars to handle anything competently. opportunity to begin to rebuild put out some figures in plain view for all to see. now i know there's a lot of debate particularly in new hampshire about the recovery act. we can argue it is kinsey and consequences. but if you notice there is virtually no debate about the transparency and accountability of that money and how was spent.

gave me the incredible privilege of overseeing the implementation of that act having been around washington a long time, i insisted we set a new standard in government of transparency and accountability because people, democrats, republicans, independent have an overwhelming and a growing cynicism about the ability of any government, republican or democrat to handle their affairs. so we hired first of all the toughest ig democrats and republicans in the house and senate and congress agreed the inspector general there was the integrity of the government asked them to put together a board of nine other independent of me in the white house. we asked them to employ the most

evident technology available, the same technology available in the back rooms of major banks and trading houses. to be able to follow the money. to track and account for every dollar. it was over seen as i said by this independent group of inspectors general and monitored on what was called a war room that they dubbed the recovery operation center. if we will kanwit look by a mini norad. more computers on the wall because it wanted the cia, the fbi, intelligence community's to ask what tools under the first amendment are we able to use in order to track these dollars and fair it out with fraud, waste and abuse before it happened? the result was that anyone could go to recovery.gov and you can do that when you leave here and track the amount of money spent and for what purpose.

one of the significant byproducts of the transparency was it had a profound impact. it literally deputized hundreds citizens to go out and tell us, board when the money was being misspent. tanding there eating their lunch or actually whether or not it was on time who the contractor was. the citizens began to check the lican the house between mr. issa who is clearly not an ally on many issues he and i are working together determined to meet this standard through the recovery act the permanent

standard for every government we are not only insisting on transparency and accountability at home, we also are as a nation pursuing a decision that internationally all around the world and every international floor we are involved in. in september we launched the open government partnership which to make our commitment to transfer into in power citizens to fight corruption and strengthen governments through new technologies with the nation's emerging in seeking assistance and help. it's one of the things we are doing with them. whether it's an iraq as we help them set up their agencies and institutions, orient libya. these technologies also enable governments and the private sector to make important progress in international development programs. to give an example, earlier this

year, the u.s. agency for international development launched what they called the grand challenge on savings mothers' lives at birth, tens of thousands die at birth. over 600 innovators submitted their ideas through a web site that was visited by people in more than 100 countries and our government is now identified and funded 20 candidates to take up their innovation to the next level with the hope of them going viral and making them available to people in the world over. i can give you scores of examples in dozens of countries now farmers use cell phones and the internet to track market prices and decide when to sell and when to grow, but goods to take to market to. it is free now. it's free now. the important point is that of the use of new technology is only going to increase in the years to come.

and those of you who are students at the los cool will be the beneficiaries and have to deal with these changes. the united nations estimates that by 2012, more than 5 million people, excuse me, 5 billion people in the world will have access to sell phones, and god knows only what will be in 2018 and what technology will be associated with those. another advantage of these technologies is their ability to expose atrocities committed by government and others all around where there was genocide, the brutal suppression of the green revolution in iran in 2009 and today in syria the world over because someone with a cellphone, someone with a small video was able to send a viral, exposing the why, the

atrocities and the butchery taking place in each of those countries. was not fully anticipated. for the first time they impose a burden on the rest of the world to act because they could no longer say i don't believe it. or they are a sovereign nation. we will not be engaged. and it is made clear to our friends who in the past were they had to take their coats off as well or lose self-respect world wide. they could no longer plead ignorance to the oppression and brutality that exist in parts of the world.

and where the consensus could be built nations of the world have begun to intervene in a way that never happened before. it's become clear that this is not just an american responsibility to be engaged everywhere there is oppression because it's not. it is global. and as nato and our arab partners proved during the recent libyan operation, the world acted, saved potentially tens of thousands of people from brutality and def, and it could not have been done without our leadership and technology. it was done without losing one single american life but the work has only now begun because

now we have to establish in a unified with 14 different tribes and government for the first time in my career not viewed as a sole responsibility of the superpower, but a moral responsibility and obligation in the free world with the capacity and help. and finally, technology is fueling the universal last purgation for freedom. a vendor indonesia literally set himself aflame to protest the oppression of his government. new technology used by ordinary citizens get oxygen to that flame, and is spread across the entire middle east. the consequences of which we are not fully aware of yet.

protesters in tunisia and egypt use social media to organize and outmaneuver government security agencies. video from the cell phone cameras went viral and inspired generations and syria, regimes endured for decades crumbled in a matter of weeks. it was also used as an organizing tool able to setup a call to assemble in some cases in the tens of thousands bill would require in organizational capacity only possessed by the government in question. we've also seen technology used in more nefarious ways. as i said at the outset it is neither inherently good or bad. i need to only point to 9/11 and the organizational tool used to bring down the world trade

towers and kill thousands of americans. terrorists continue to use the internet and other technologies to remotely plan attacks and recruit followers to their cause. rigorous of regimes used cell phones and satellite technology to trace dissidents and ease drop in the communications and just as the iron curtain once sequestered the soviet bloc, today's repression governments seek to establish an electronic curtain, not an iron curtain but an electronic curtain to wall off people from the outside world. but they are destined to fail. the government for civil has television signals from sends operatives to the remote satellite to remove satellite dishes on the rooftops of apartment buildings to access the internet with a futile effort to control what the people see and hear.

they justify the virtual crackdowns by invoking kaput, perceived security threat. it's not only oppressive governments that invoke the security threat to limit the applicability of this technology freedom of speech and the challenges that can allegedly itself or older than this republic and they arise whenever a new technology seems to threaten security in the mind of some. the federal laws and and and i finalists passionately debate the content of the bill of rights scaling back the draft of the first amendment, which some found sweeping. but the potential ability to undermine government. the alien and sedition act were approved and became controversy of campaign issues from the dawn and during world war i congress

passed the laws that criminalize criticism in the war effort. it's easy to forget the freedom of information act which was the cornerstone of the commitment to transparency and government, the wall of a lot of vietnam veterans groups to learn about the composition of agent orange and explain how it was causing the navy hornet jets to crash was resisted by presidents of both parties not long ago. according to bill moyers the press secretary, quote, the president had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the ceremony. he hated the very idea of the free not information act, hated the thought of journalists rummaging through the government process continuing, he did the challenging, the official view of reality.

eight years later, amy and i served with and admired, president ford vetoed a bill that strengthened the freedom of information act. he was a good man, but he saw the strengthening of the freedom of information act would weaken the security of the united states as a young senator ollie was very proud to join those in the senate who overrode president ford's veto. but the debate as some will remember, none of you women here are old enough to remember but joe remembers. [laughter] the struggle to ensure both liberty and security has always been at the heart of our space experiment and will continue to be. the good news is we, the united states in every case eventually air on the side of liberty.

because it is stitched into the fabric of our national tapestry because of our faith in the marketplace of ideas and the common sense of our fellow citizens that is the root in my view of american exceptional was some, and because, because we have in the end always rejected the fallschase between our security and ideals and we have gone on to encourage all nations to do the same. information have in the past and are continuing to lose the race against time and their fight against the future. just as surely as the truth will ultimately be pantry that the iron curtain, today sensors of

the electronic curtain they are erecting will be penetrated and we have an obligation as well as the national security interest in hastening the failure of those who argue we cannot act to increase the flow of information cynicism entitled to because the perceived threats to the national security. that's why our administration makes no apologies. let me say it again. we make no apologies for helping citizens around the world eve aid the control imposed by their government. meanwhile, countries that try to have it both ways. by making the internet close to free expression but open to business are going to find a fruitless task that will fail. they may try to build walls

between the different activities , but there isn't a separate economic internet and a separate political internet and a separate social internet. there is simply the internet and it must, must remain free with all of the potential dangers on the downside it may present. i saw firsthand earlier this year in my visit to china market and i were talking about it. i was asked by president hu jintao and president obama, vice president and i were asked by respective presidents he was about to become the president of china in january 3 whether or not we would get to know one another better because the only as my dad would say the only conflict that's worse than one that is intended is worse than

and intended. although tip o'neill, who i love, but say all politics local, joe biden and say all politics is personal. it matters. not if you like one another but if you understand one another. so why spend time in china traveling the country. i don't think that it's ever occurred before with the president meeting with him liable times and in multiple cities. but during the visit to china, a nation that still is rationing liberties and that allows its population it was obvious they were seeking to build a world-class economy. as i pointed out there and i point out now, ultimately that cannot be done. when business considers

investing in a country with a they know. they know that their web site can be shut down suddenly. their transactions are asked, and their profits confiscated. so they will look elsewhere. what all you students know. he said the only security of all is in the free press. the force of public opinion cannot be resisted or permitted freely to be expressed. although thomas jefferson could not have imagined a cellphone or the world wide web, prism as of me to say but i am absolutely confident being somewhat of a

student of his old enough to be of his. [laughter] at least that is what president obama keeps telling me. were he here today, i believe he would surely understand the enormous consequences of the communications revolution and repressive regimes and its disseminate innovation and agriculture, medicine technology to democratize access and things over night. and to empower citizens around the globe from concord to cairo to keep town. this will only continue to

expand exponentially those here who cannot see because of the lights i'm told you are here. students being educated below the school you will be offered the same false choice not by the school, the same false choice every generation of american has been offered. the choice between liberty and security. it is a false choice. and i am confident just like generations have gone before you in this country, you will choose and understand that we can have both because i'm confident that this american exceptional was and can and will endure. i'm honored to be with you all today. i want to thank you for listening. and may god protect our troops. thank you for kimmage. [applause]

[applause] >> thinks of course for your remarks. i'm glad that you mentioned and underlining american exceptional as some. i don't think that has been spoken of enough lately. i guess i haven't been listening to your speeches. [laughter] this was crafted by an exceptional american and i think she would be proud that we are giving it to another. [applause]

[applause] [inaudible conversations] [laughter] >> the bad news i don't think they are going to get the teleprompter as to the schools. [laughter] the school is named for mrs. logan, she was the

inspiration. the heart and soul the past several years has been david show. a former associate press reporter, great news man and a great lover of free communications, and he puts up from me but from everything that he has to do and he did the work arranging this might which as you can understand the vice president at security etc was very tightly reined in. evin screwed up our ability to tell the sponsors of the cage to the scope states and elsewhere devotee that is being remedied. long story short i don't think we would have quite as good a school as we do have without david and i would like to introduce him to you. [applause]

>> three for the screen to drop. thank you all for being here. it's my job to tell you of the school, and orders people we are proud to have in the audience, and work up to the first amendment award for the evening. thank you very much for sharing you're even in and support the school. it's a small school but it's dedicated to huge ideas many of which vice president biden just talked about and think you for supporting the programs we have to offer free glasses and low-cost workshops and we've been doing and the last 11 years. thanks very much for vice president joe biden and the sponsors typically you would have seen their names on the side walls and the screen. so far this evening we couldn't do that earlier. we can do it now. when you see the name of the sponsors please take note also in the program and please, thank them for us. thanks also to mrs. low for the wonderful gift she left. the school named in her honor you can read the facts and

figures about the school in the program but i want to share what makes it exciting to be the director. people often ask what kind of kids go to this school? well our kids aren't kids. they ranged in age from 9-years-old to retirees. they included legislators come police officers, teachers, bankers, student journalists, home schoolers and people who just want to learn something new. because the class is in the workshops are free, our students show up because they want to be there. they are not watching the watch or tapping their foot. that is exciting enough. but when they arrive defined instructors from many newspapers from around the stage, radio stations, tv stations, businesses, colleges and its people who've spent the day writing stories or columns promoting businesses on the internet and taking photographs or arguing first amendment cases in court. how often have you been to a class where the instructor comes in and says he will never guess what i did today and that

becomes the lesson. you can't put a price on it, so we don't. thanks in large part to our sponsors and all of you here today the class's are free and we charge just enough to cover expenses. many students return class after class which we think is a pretty good endorsement to recognize the dedication a fellowship program. to become a fellow students must complete five class's or workshops or first amendment s.a. and this year we recognize to veteran students and will prevent them later with pens and significance. first is jerry russell a retired teacher and newspaper correspondent as part of her essay she wrote simply freedom of speech and assembly, press, religion, and the right to petition the government make up the first amendment. they make our country unique. i can't say it much better than that. second as manchester he is right here. where are you, neil?

he didn't want to come up on stage. [applause] >> neil has been a longtime student. he outlined how important investigative reporting is especially in fighting for transparency in the government and we will hear a lot more about that in a bit from the free press recipients. neil wrote without the freedom of deliberate, detailed and allowable investigative reporting the concept of the free society is nonexistent. if suitable for framing in the cold frame in the bathroom next to the mirror just like vice president joe biden's certificate so you can be reminded of that every day. so congratulations to neil. this year the school also continues coordinating the statewide constitution school as a program with a daily newspaper in the state supreme court. the statewide winners were honored at a reception this week at the court and we are proud to have them here is our guest as well. they are the middle school winner who is julia peery of the

elm street school who is over here. wade so we can see you. [applause] >> if you felt the podium at the supreme court was high comedy would be about 3 feet high behind this one. we to put a nice tool up the other day to read the essay. the high school winners attend winds are high school just over the border and vermont and over here we've so we can see you. [applause] thanks for being here with your family and teachers and your principal. students were asked to write what the schools should be allowed to ban or limit the possession or use of salles phones or other mobile communications devices and school and whether schools should be permitted to confiscate those devices and punish students who bring them in. julia wrote she believes the constitution does not allow schools to ban cell phones but

believes schools are justified in setting restrictions such as allowing students to use them only at lunch or only after school. peter wrote the constitution does allow schools to ban, elamite textile or talking on cell phones. he figures the same as a teacher has the right to forbid students from talking in class without permission. so congratulations again to julieanna and peter and the 500 other students statewide who took part in the contest. first amendment while the is one of the first class is taught at the school and its foundation of all we do, something we all often take for granted, this year through the partnership with the world affairs council of new hampshire, the school hosted visits from foreign delegations and many of the delegations were from the former soviet republic and they were here to learn how the media worked in a democracy. one question kept popping up. who regulates social media in the united states? they were looking for ideas a bureau of social media

regulation. we explained the various delegations that aside from libel and slander laws apply to all the media there is no official regulation. we explained postings on the social media sites are critical of the government and critical of elected officials or of the mainstream media permitted under the first amendment and are a common. talk about taking something for granted. in other countries regulation of the blog or twitter or facebook posts might be common and permitted. regulation of them being permitted and in another country tonight's first amendment recipe and would have gotten into the big trouble. just for exercising the right to free press. to tell that story, i would like to introduce for stand and sponsor kenneth sheldon of bank of america. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you.

president biden, what a powerful and fantastic public speaker. might want to think about taking that as a career. [laughter] they gave me the a virginia the podium i want to take a second to recognize a couple folks first one to recognize gary and his team who recovered from a surprisingly destructive storm and got norbeck to read a lot of work there. really appreciate your efforts there. [applause] second, i want to recognize a couple of my colleagues here tonight. mike from the u.s. trust here in the state. john, my good friend and mentor for 20 plus years with the commercial middle-market banking group and last i would like to

recognize a good friend and one of the most highly respected business people now approaching his final days and his latest executive with merchants automotives now retiring at the end of this year so thank you for joining us tonight. [applause] i have a few prepared remarks here i will run through quickly. i will be brief and then we will launch a quick video and on behalf of bank of america and merrill lynch colleagues i would like to acknowledge what an honor it is to support the school and an occasion and to be a sponsor of the 20,111th amendment award. through the school mrs. loeb wanted to encourage young writers and foster an understanding of the appreciation for the first amendment. today an increasing number of students are attending the schools class's and low-cost

workshops. the first amendment gives us a free press and speech among other liberties as a fundamental principal of mrs. loeb's legacy. the first amendment which is enacted in 1791 is on the back of your program and bares repeating. congress shall make no law we respecting establishment of religion or prohibiting the exercise thereof for bridging the freedom of speech or the press or the right of the people to assemble to petition the government for the redress bill read these freedoms protected by the first amendment of the foundation of the american democracy is essential for the informed citizenship in the diverse society. recognizing the efforts taken to preserve free speech and free press the school established the award in 2003 and honors the residents to exemplify freedom granted under the first amendment. like mrs. loeb, bank of america

we believe the importance of education, the value of an informed and diverse society and providing access and were to mideast to the citizens within the communities. supporting the school and first amendment and the court all you of think of america we are working to help people and communities to make opportunity possible. this year in recognition of the efforts undertaken to change the two state laws to protect free speech and free press and expand the public right to know the portsmouth herald was elected for the nomination submitted to the public to be honored as the recipient of the 2011 nackey loeb first amendment award. does that sound better? the harold through said to deter successfully organized an effort among the new hampshire newspapers and broadcasters to change the law that made it illegal to the arrest or conviction after the arrest or conviction had been an old and

in the herald prompted the changes that now give the right to see information involving public officials. in both cases it went against bill laws that entered the free press, free speech, and erected roadblocks to open the government and twice the herald won. now let's turn to the video in which he will talk about his and the paper's efforts to protect free speech. ♪ >> we are beginning to hear about the amol and law because

we would get calls to the newsrooms, not just us but the newsrooms all around the state where people would call and say you have something on your web site about a crime that i committed, and i've had that and called so you have to remove it otherwise you will be liable and i am going to sue. as you look at the law which we started doing really after the case you actually could interpret that you would be liable for publishing that before the internet age there were few hundred in all months a year and was now numbering in the thousands every year because what happened was records were out there if he were arrested, if there was a story about you that you found on a flattering and you had it annulled and then felt under the law you had the right to force publishers to take off the web and not only did we disagree with that because of this sort of

rewriting history but really it would be impossible. once something goes on the web is very difficult to make it disappear even if we take it off of our own website commesso of the of the web sites linked to us pick our stuff up and there's all these news ad creators of their grabbing our stuff. there is no way that you can or at least is very difficult and imagine if you have to do that for a thousand times spread across the publishers in the state. >> i had been through the 1970's and 80's right of through this decade a number of pieces of legislation dealing with the state's right to and laws and the editor of the herald to the contact and ask me if i would talk with him and others about the annulment. we met him in his conference room. a fellow state representative on the gubernatorial candidate in

number of times i invited him to join me and he brought his legal counsel and we talked for about an hour trying to brainstorm the dimensions of the problems. we get into the habit of allowing people to sort of the race what's true because they know how to maneuver. its two classes of people, people could get arrested and don't know how to work and then they are stuck the rest of their lives and then people who have money and can hire a lawyer and get an element, suddenly their crime doesn't exist anymore. so we thought it was very important. people in need should be able to have the right to have their privacy and at the same time have the right to know what has happened. in the political candidates running for office to develop a

business in a city or town they might have had some problems in their background and the public needs to know. >> our photographer shot this image of the cruiser and they thought this is no one's business and i disagree because clearly this is a publicly funded vehicle the police officer dreading it was on duty to and i thought this was anyone's and that sort of trigger my stubbornness. >> engaged in a high-speed chase and in the process he runs a red light at what we finally learned in speeds of excess of 100 miles an hour he twiddles his cruiser, he injures innocent who are in the wrong place at the wrong time and creates this total

mayhem in the middle of the public. >> picked up the phone the next morning to ask who was driving the police cruiser at a time expecting to get the answer. i was told it was under investigation. state police are handling the investigation. we started making calls to state police. at the time we didn't know he was going on hundred miles per hour. i was an impatient and i decided to go over and had the investigating state trooper, wrote a letter to the department of safety answered by an attorney for the department of safety who decided to start a privacy act. >> the privacy act was passed to protect private citizens exploited for the commercial purposes. in no way intended to shield the activity to public officials to respect a follow-up story i called the attorneys what you

think of this, do you think do you interpret the law to say and on duty police officer is exempt from disclosure? none of them heard of it and i spoke with one from concord, attorney king seemed somewhat outraged and agreed to draft a court case for us. >> the case is in court and is being covered every step of the way through the paper and obviously people are reading it because one day it defines an anonymous, actually i don't know how but somebody leaked to us the actual investigative report and it details more of the details on this three or four clear violations of the law that took place during this pursuit. said the police officer broke three state laws pertaining to the emergency vehicles by failing to proceed to the red

light after having slowed as unnecessary operations, for driving at an unreasonable speed which endangered life and property and failing to drive the cruiser with due regard for the safety of all persons. >> the other thing we've learned unless we have that piece of land were able to get the name of the officer is that he was involved in another high-speed chase that involved the ended in another crash a few years earlier in hampton falls and actually had fired shots at somebody in that case was just resolved we are still waiting to hear how much money was paid. at the end of the day i don't think that this officer has suffered any consequence for either of those high speed chases. >> he's got a police officer in uniform driving 100 miles per hour through red lights crashing into civilians it is important to note that in terms of his employment and an example to all public employees in the state of new hampshire.

they need to know that what they do when they are on the job is a matter of public record and they will be held accountable. >> we feel like if we had an unofficial motto it would be portsmouth herald you have a right to know and that is what we are here for. if we are fighting to get people to have access to information they wouldn't have we are fighting to open doors and take them to places they wouldn't be without, then that's what we feel is important. >> those people, those organizations that do work fighting for the cause protecting the freedom of the media should be recognized and there is no better example that i can think of than a newspaper that puts itself on the line, facing up to the authorities, facing up to government, facing up to the court and saying we have the right to tell the truth when we know the truth to do

otherwise would be violating the trust of the people. so i think of course the herald and the reporters and the others ♪ [applause] [applause] >> elizabeth, please join howard

>> i'm honored to be able to present to you the award. i'm not sure if i can. i might give it a shot. [applause] >> i'm glad it worked out this morning and there's also a check that goes with that. i will hand that to howard. you can cash that leader. [laughter] >> congratulations. [applause] >> thank you very much. >> the portsmouth herald a word and to paraphrase the words from the keynote speaker we definitely consider it a big deal. [laughter] my 11 year old is here, so. [laughter]

under the state's old criminal laws, reporters, criminals, wall officers and workers could have been jailed or faced serious penalties for speaking and publishing the truth about someone with a criminal record even if it was clearly in the public interest to do so. this was particularly dangerous when public records and news stories live online forever. i remember our publisher saying to me we will just published and go to jail if we have to and i remember saying to him i don't really want to go to jail. [laughter] i don't want to go to jail and i don't think we should have to sell was one motivation to fix the law. the other and far more important is the public expects us to fight for openness and transparency and the constitution explicitly protect our freedom to do so. we can't just decide not to fight because it doesn't dollars on the bottom line. but with apologies to the lawyers in the room, going to court is ridiculously expensive.

in court, financially even when you win, you lose so is not realistic to think every time you see the government infringing on speech and unfettered access to information you can hire lawyers and let them do the fighting. we reporters and editors have to get in the trenches and to the fighting ourselves. to do this, we need allies. with the to changes in the law are being honored for tonight we have many that contributor time, talent and treasure to the fights. the criminal element in the parts that representative will you just saw and paul introduced the first bill to study the issue and explained through the legislation as an aside representative who is here tonight uses the same process for this as he does in the leadership reading bill law protecting the first in the nation primary legalizing same-sex marriage and creating martin luther king day. kasich just solutions and get support among others and act. a good common sense approach that is not so common these

days. along the way we've picked up unexpected allies. the senate committees to listen carefully to that is the money but also heard from assistant attorney general ann rice. representative david welch was here tonight took the committee's work and drafted the bill that eventually became. all the state's daily newspapers, the associated press, the broadcasters' association, a hired bill chapman in the first amendment award winner from 2009 to draft proposed language to fix the a moment law. the newspapers supported editorials. it took all of this effort to change the law we saw that there was no longer a crime to speak or publish the truth about someone's criminal record. elizabeth called the attention of concord attorney benjamin kang who was outraged he argued the case brno. during a high-speed chase one

heard detailed in the video. as you heard as the case made it through the courts to document. lawmakers and the government wants all of this is revealed were eager to help close the loopholes on the state and local officials using to hide their actions from the public and we had to have two of them passed, one for the local and county and one for the state workers. the reporters regularly file state right to know and federal freedom of information requests and many of them are denied. public officials need to know they can't just say no. they have to defend secrecy makes them less likely to deny information requests. we've even argued in rockingham county superior court they have nothing to worry about from us. in new hampshire a person wanting to hide information has the burden to prove it should be secret and in most cases they are wrong. the laws protecting openness and

transparency aren't just important to journalists. if you want to know the power of the state's right to know what to look at the local government center hearings where hundreds of millions of dollars paid by cities and towns for insurance now hang in the balance. the question of all actions refer the right to request by dave and the professional firefighters association. in addition to fighting for openness and transparency it's important for newspapers to print unpopular opinions and avoid pandering and self-censorship. as the tenth anniversary of 9/11 average we wanted to get muslim voices into the paper to hear how their lives changed during the past decade and we found it very difficult to get people to speak with us. there was too much fear. the president whose muslim and pfizer to muslim students at the academy offered to write a regular column i will admit i was nervous about it because what he was going to say to contradict the strongly held views of the leaders and as he didn't waste time. first written a column about the justified dislike of america and about creating a palestinian

state using the 1967 borders. after the column on is really got a call from a man who identified himself as a marina, a vietnam vet and a zionist. i knew it wasn't going to be a short conversation. the caller wanted me to know that roger was wrong on the palestinian issue but added i hate what he's saying but i would table it to protect his right to say it and that is what we are honoring tonight. the shared belief a self-governing people needs unfettered access to news, information and a wide range of opinions. as journalists we live by the words of the justice louis brandeis who said the sunlight is the best disinfectant. i'm honored to accept the award on behalf of the portsmouth herald and promise you we will keep up the good fight. thank you. [applause]

.. so other than seafoam in thank you, we should end the night with the pledge of allegiance. would you join me? i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. into the republic, for which it

stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. thank you very much. [cheers and

>> new hampshire will hold its first in the nation presidential primary on january 10. hampshire terry secretary of state, bill gardner talked about the history of the state's presidential primary on the "new hampshire today" radio program. this is 54 minutes. >> welcome back to a special edition of new hampshire today. 3:00 to 6:00 folks and the new hampshire presidential primary. it is first the nation and here in new hampshire you know that maybe the c-span viewers know that. i am not sure everyone in every

state enjoys the fact, that we continue coverage live on c-span, c-span 3 channel 249 and digital cable. the single replay parts of the show. newt gingrich joining us, governor huntsman and ron paul. governor christie joined us in the first hour. he is here in new hampshire on behalf of mitt romney, carl cameron of fox news expert analysis in the first hour in senator kelley ayotte obviously coveted endorsement freshman senator issuer to make an endorsement, she probably will. we are going to continue our discussion and talk about the roots of the new hampshire presidential primary. i also want to open up our fine land at 868-23-1037. many listeners in c-span viewers have called and i want to try to get on because we've had so many

guests and we've kind of been packed. at this hour we promise to take more calls that (866)823-1077. tim are back in our format in the studio and of course veterans day friday will have special veterans day coverage. let's get right back to it on a delightful afternoon in new hampshire. mid-sixties, rain coming in. but we're talking presidential politics. in the studio delighted to have the secretary of state for hampshire, bill gardner. i daresay we might not have this thing called the presidential primary if it were not for your great work and stewardship of the primary. mr. secretary, cheating rack for cheating rack for joining us in being on c-span. >> i'm happy to be here. >> you might be happy because you have a day. she nearly 20. we are that either of two months of the primary basically and it was a little bit precarious in terms of setting the date this time. >> a lot have been this week.

we're oppressed in florida made its decision to go and less go and elasticity of january. they did it on friday. south carolina made its decision. wednesday, nevada made its decision within a week or so, iowa decided that it would be -- they would have their caucus on a third of january. so when a matter of less than two weeks, the reaction to florida was tremendous. and we were faced with some possibilities that we are not the best. >> we might be voting for force it to put the stockings of the fireplace. no stranger to new hampshire national politics, but we have one of my favorite people in new hampshire, calling in. he is considered probably the top business in return for doing

so much good in new hampshire. tom rafe on the listener line. tom, good afternoon. how are you quite >> could come and chat, how are you doing? >> i'm fine, thanks. >> creek hear from you. by the way, the show has been the so riveting that you've been taking me out. i had a strategic business meeting and basically pulled myself from it to listen to senator ayotte and the other gaseous had. what a terrific opportunity for those of us in new hampshire to get ready. that's why we love new hampshire. >> tom, let me a base. tom, you have gone to so many events in and around the primary. but in context for local listeners how important, not from $8 because the late governor hugh craig tried to put a dollar amount, but the olympics and politics in new

hampshire. but in contacts how important primary is to the fabric of our calendar every four years in new hampshire as a business leader. >> it's right in our culture. for example, we are considered a fairly large company in new hampshire. all of the presidential candidates come through, visit with employees depending on how they want to do it, and either walk through or we give them an audience of 200 people and employees can ask questions. we look forward to it every four years and in between years to come out with some of the more local elections as well. so it's really given us sort of a cultural -- i don't know, it's exciting. i think there is the next big tatian that the candidates are here and they will answer questions really directly. i know the better that have been most successful in our primaries are the ones that are here a lot actually answer the questions, really clearly and do a nice interchange was sorted the

average person on the street. and again, i think it's great not only for the culture of new hampshire, but we do a good job in terms of grilling the candidates and yet we are always polite and that's good for the economy as well. another economic driver for the state. >> tom is a trivia expert on sports, but many of our listeners and viewers may not. when was the first new hampshire presidential primary? how did it come about and why did we get to go first? tell us the history. >> in a year and half will celebrate the 100th anniversary of the legislation back in 19 team that created the presidential primary. the first primary was in 1916. it was not the first in the nation. it was never planned to be first in the nation. in 1916, the state this week ahead of us in this table is the same day. but after 1916 to state that was

a week ahead of less decided to notice. right tonight and minnesota eliminated the primary. so by 1920, we became the first in the nation not because we asked for it, because it just happened that way. we continue for the next half-century have been on town meeting day, the second tuesday of march. it was first in the nation of five week all in that period. and a significant event happened in new hampshire that led to the incumbent president -- >> was at eisenhower? >> now covered with london johnson in 1968. he actually got more votes than his opponents here, that is opponents it far better than anyone expected, came within 3% of actually defeating and, but won more delegates than he did so the perception was he won the primary. >> even though the perception was the reality?

>> before the end of that month, the person who one changed his mind and announced he was not going to run for reelection. that all happened before any of the states had another event. >> eisenhower won without being here, right? >> i know the importance of the primary. i'm sure you would like to congratulate though gardner to secure the first physician and he beat that ignorantly stated or not a. >> we all know every citizen in new hampshire no coa debt of gratitude to go with the institute of politics as we know what the great work he has done to make sure we remain in a prominent position. so the bill does not think i speak for just about everybody new hampshire. so thank you, bill. >> i know you don't like it, but you've got to take it once in a while.

thank you for all you do and supported the primary and i'm not going after a few chosen a candidate yet, but thank you for entertainment candidates. >> would love to do that and we're looking forward. we've heard he had governor romney and there will be others. thanks again, guys. >> is your prediction for the next manager of the boston red sox? >> well, i wouldn't be surprised if it still schwing, a younger guy. >> i told you, he knows his stuff. >> tom, we have our fort myers hotels spring arrangement. you're always welcome to china said fort myers. before you want it, you want to get away. >> (866)823-1037. joe viola holcomb was bill gardner. also, manager and has run a presidential campaign or to invent involved in in these campaigns. as you travel nationally and in new hampshire where your friend

originally, how do you view the new hampshire primary? are you surprised he been able to keep it? i do you think the world of him, but are you surprised that we still go first after all these years with so many powers and other parties or candidates that i become president? >> we have one power and he is sitting right next to me and it is bill gardner. and i am not kidding. i have been a huge can of bills for a couple decades now. >> during 50 states and brian know -- >> just if you look back over the last couple decades as nevada and the health care alliance, they have all tried and some of the folks in new hampshire, whether republicans or democrats to try to nickel and dime to get the secretary to compromise a couple days here, a couple days they are removing

month. hill has been consistent, strong, principled man. didn't matter whether he was republican or democrat. he did best but was for new hampshire. if he moved over the last few times, we would've been out of this process by now. bill doesn't like the compliments, but i've got to tell you without him we wouldn't be sitting here talking about the primary. >> lakota national colors. (866)823-1077. if you're watching on c-span and you don't understand or you may not like -- an outcome you you've heard the criticism folks. you have heard the small state, one of the wealthiest states, maybe not representative of bigger states in other parts of the country. some people frankly are resentful. some are jealous that new hampshire goes first. it's a lot of power for a state of over a million people. the state has made and broken candidates.

feel free candidates and maybe no one new hampshire but i've gone on to become president saying it was that primary that made me better, including our current president. so, what you see someone who doesn't understand a comment doesn't get it, doesn't like it? >> why does it matter to the next president of the united states? >> first of outcome is unpredictable and unscripted cold. that's first and foremost. second they come it provides an opportunity for any person who wants to have a chance to buy for president. we don't like to get on the ballot. we don't screen. >> does jimmy carter come to mind? >> i remember when jimmy carter came to this day, no one had any idea who he was. there were a few u.s. senators running in that primary. sargent shriver at the kennedy family. he ended up winning and going on to be president. this happens in both parties more than once.

someone has come here. it started in 68 when eugene mccarthy, people didn't know much about him. he came to the state. knowing that he would give more than single digits, surprised everyone in ended up changing what came out of new hampshire changed the course of the country's history. >> joe and bill clinton. i remember john broderick, supreme court chief justice coming idea of a hampshire law school. steve mccall and cherry shoemaker ticket on this governor from arkansas. and he was trailing in the early polls behind the late paul tsongas, kerry brown, tom harkin, bob kerrey and there is bill clinton. it was almost laughable. he worked anywhere and he just talked to the new hampshire people and even though he didn't win the primary, the perception was he was the comeback kid because he came at a strong

second period but comes to mind when you look back on primaries? >> you have to remember george herbert walker bush came in here and was the ambassador to the united nations, republican national committee man, but he was not nationally recognized when he started in new hampshire. and hugh craig is to put them in the station wagon and they would just run the state committed at the new hampshire person-to-person town to town and grabbed as many hanssen had as many conversations as possible. >> or you there when he got up on the tractor? >> i despair. i used to guide the station wagon as a senior at king state college. >> the campaign pop. >> avaricious following -- never knew what i've involved in handing out literature. >> bill, does a picture of former president senior getting on the track. to dehumanize them? to to show he was a guy's guy? by was that such a memorable moment?

>> well, he had the ski cap on. he didn't try to make him so fancy. he looked like someone from here doing what he was doing. and that happens all the time. some of the most significant moments of presidential primary history happens in this state and they pretty much happens regularly. >> share a few more with us. i know you're not ready to sit on the porch in the rocking chair because a nature at protecting the primary and of course your secretary of state, to share a few moments that you know someday you'll look back and scratch your head and say wow. >> well, when neighboring senator ed muskie campaigned in the state, everyone thought that he would be a shoo-in to win this primary and he had an event in front of the union leader when it was light snow assorted change the course of everyone's perception of him because that

is what happens at that event, everyone in the country knew about it within a day or two. >> that was before the incident of course. >> that was when there were only three network. >> no cable, nothing. >> the alleged here that got around the road when he was screaming and yelling over treatment of his wife. >> was at a snowflake or a tear? >> the perception was a tear. >> his campaign manager said if he didn't get 50% of the vote, it would not be of the very. so when he did not get 50% of the vote, even though he won, it was said that boost for his opponent. >> some of the more interesting times are when they first filed. their history they all come there first and you get the first really -- your story about joe biden is just a classic new

hampshire story. >> four years ago when senator barden came into file, he didn't bring a big entourage in their group of students, a fourth-grade class coming coming down the hall and they all came in. he had a big smile on his face and looked at all those students. >> phil gardner, before we go to a break, people know about federated these and they think that he thought running here in new hampshire as well as send comment president advice resonate. so maybe 10 names filed here in new hampshire. how many people in fact are running in this primary two months from now? >> pair 44 candidates listed on the ballot. 30 republicans and 14 democrats. 30 republicans is the most we've ever had for republicans. the highest before this was in

1992. with 25 republicans. the 14 democrats with an incumbent president running. >> there's a national news story. obama has a challenge. >> when george w. bush filed, there were 14 republicans running in that primary. >> of course i remember -- i think he passed away, and if he didn't offense to these listening, the actor who played jimmy jack, tom laughlin. >> keyfile twice in new hampshire. >> nine times. any south. >> a fascinating discussion about the origin of the primary. we love the memories of the story and i think the c-span viewers don't know some of this. maybe when they come back we can talk about how serious the voters of new hampshire take their role and how serious politics is here as kind of a past time for almost a sport.

we will take a break on "new hampshire today." bill gardner secretary of state, largely considered the one who navigates this calendar for the benefit of new hampshire's primary. i know you don't like it. we covet it, we enjoy it. to her c-span listeners of local callers, 86683177. be right back. [inaudible conversations] >> 2000 that brought up your name in one way or another. >> who is this guy? >> at his son's death. thank you for doing this. >> i'm happy to do it.

>> is travel. >> this is the real color. i always say on the radio show if we had a youtube camera during the breaks, if people could see what we do, the rest are laughing and having fun or during the break that was when the most fun was had here steve terrell arguing with arnesen in a commercial. just trying to get between the two of them. but the show is doing great. we are having fun. >> this is my beard rare interviews. >> this is not a natural occurrence. >> last night was the awards dinner in manchester. that was nice. >> witness the lesser-known candidates debate?

>> that is one of the beauties of new hampshire. >> you should mention that. >> four years ago got invited to go to the oxford union to debate at oxford university because they started on c-span and they wanted one from each party who actually ran for president, said they invited them to come over. one of them is coming back. he called and told me, this is unbelievable. i thought to put him on the debate because cnn was telling me that marty having five or six -- is that we are doing it. remember: phil thing i know this is a national zone, but how do you define a national candidate? the organized campaign office

fundraising, why isn't kerry johnson former governor >> buddy roemer's >> so from a credential qualification. [inaudible conversations] >> bill leonard received two. he said he would never have the opportunity if it wasn't for new hampshire. what was that? somebody wrote you a letter after you filed a never had the opportunity to be able to run and be on the ballot.

>> don richardson from florida. >> gene mccarthy, sometimes the candidate you'll find a groundswell. previously it is just the fossae. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

>> all right. welcome back. on "new hampshire today," hi to her c-span viewers. please feel free to call an (866)823-1077. the number should be on your screen. secretary of state, bill gardner. the guardian of the new hampshire presidential primary in terms of being first week after the iowa caucus. joe viola, political analyst in regular on the show as well. typecast, where just manager republican. it was yesterday. of course manchester is a city. but mayor katz is reelected. this afternoon he may not rule out a run for governor. we'll talk about that tomorrow. >> i think when you win with 70%, it's unnatural to think that the governor might be nice.

>> that is wide open in 2012. >> let's go back to focusing on this afternoon. though gardner and some of the marvelous stories you shared already. what is your take on how the media or others -- we have just said how many people are running for president in new hampshire? >> 44. >> the perception is there about 10 including the president and vice incumbent. where do people draw the line? we had a caller earlier, michelle -- julio from chicago talking about why run paul is never considered by the national pun and unselect bull. where is the subject to arbitrary line in the sand? we have commented that former new mexico governor johnson, gary johnson, two-term governor successful builder not really

included in these debates. like someone decided he is not a major candidate. there's countless others. where do you draw on who is a major candidate or a fringe candidate? >> well, that it's always been the sticking point because whenever you create an arbitrary line, there might be someone that calls below it that should not fall below it. so it is always an issue here. but one thing that is not ever an issue here is that anyone has the opportunity to come here and spend time here and there is than candidates over the years that i've done that, who have calmed. very few people knew them, thought they would get only single digits and it ended that become in the nominee. >> we have to go to a collar, but who comes to mind as a national candidate without the bells, whistles that the guns and the money and miscalculated

new hampshire and the costs and nearly? that will go out to the listener line. >> for instance on the democratic side, senator john glenn underwent out when he came into the state that he would be a shoe when because he was nationally known. he was better known than any other candidate. >> so who comes to your mind? >> texas senator -- i've forgotten his name. john calmly came and had ready money. he had ready money and he was going to do well. >> also pete wilson, california governor took over the senate at new hampshire. new hampshire is run differently. in texas, we would campaign d'amico from airport to airport to press conference to press conferences that was considered campaigning. in new hampshire company go and meet people.

it is how you react in the spontaneous energy and stories that spread. we will talk about the voters. quick from killington, are you on? >> sim, how are you. >> thanks for your patience. you were on "new hampshire today" in c-span. >> reason i am calling to spend a little frustrated with the way the candidates are vetted. it is, flight and media. the candidates they choose to run for office and they don't give us enough information about all the other candidate out there. every voter in new hampshire, i find that really frustrating to cnn, cnbc, abc, cbs tends to do that. they pick who they think would be good to run and focus on that candidate right or wrong. >> they are brought alive by the way. you were talking a second ago --

i think of rudy giuliani to all of this thought had a good shot. is that i'm going to concentrate on florida, not new hampshire. it was a bad wake-up call. but that is my biggest frustration is media takes their candidates and they don't let the people of new hampshire do the work to find these candidate and take the ones they feel are best. >> brick come and stay on line. joe maiola. one of the callers asked where our candidates not spent more earlier here? he said social media, facebook, other tools allow the candidates to stay at duke on the it can survive longer without the warchest. do you think the national media still doesn't get it? to think there's going to be a surprise to some and they haven't told us about, someone may have it showcased as the

likely nominee is, someone may want? to think we are breaking through the national media will let voters decide or do you think the national media does play a huge role in seeing if this guy and that guy? >> the national media is to make you that. i like to pick on them on the show because i'm not looking for a job. i like to say how often they are wrong. as i said earlier, new hampshire is unpredictable. and who thought in the last primary that the winner of the democratic primary was going to be hillary clinton? the polls, everything we do it to new hampshire seen otherwise. and that this happened over and over. and because you don't have to have the most fame or money to win here. and if he didn't have the same before, that's why the seven days afterwards is so. >> i don't want to pilot your profession, chat, but they've got to fill the news and it's usually about the horserace. new hampshire is not about the

horserace. and that's the beauty. >> can i interject something here? one of the things that really disgusted me last night was the weight nbc news handled this whole situation with herman cain. if a republican or conservative had come out and set the thing that brian williams said last night, it would be all over the news. but these guys get away with it. >> a look at their ratings. i'm serious. look at nbc. bruce keith olbermann right now? >> there is built-in suspicion because herman cain's numbers are not going down yet. the meatiest frustrated they will do everything they can. >> are still waiting to go on their own. >> does that give them the right to use some of the racial comments they were using last night? it was the most

unprofessional -- >> brick, i didn't see it. thanks for calling. we've decoded new york city. i didn't see it. i get your point. my life has been in and around this media event then select enable to do it in her kitchen where i like to live. but the national media doesn't always get it right. there is an inherent bias uncertain outlets. it shows the way it is. they usually don't get it right in the end. suzanne from new york city, you're in c-span. how are you? >> i saw what brian williams said about herman cain, and a disgusting democrat strategists. the democrat strategists maria cardona on cnn last night who worked for clinton, she is the one that hired cairncross tower. and she has two other harassment lawsuits they are after herman

cain, to. also, we said stan herman cain so much under the bus. we are sick of karl rove, though kristol, charles pratt hammered, attacking sarah palin, michele bachmann, herman cain, rick. every single day and night. steve hayes last night on fox. i think herman cain was great at his press conference yesterday. and also, why are republicans throwing under the bus? have elected these limits? chairman bialik, do you have that take that knows her as? >> know, the number one you should have your own talk show. but i want to go back to a couple things you just said. i don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying. we care even a night at town

hall. >> of his good. >> he was calling forces behind, every media. but here's the deal. i don't think herman cain has helped himself at all in how he has handled it. but it doesn't take away the points he made about the national media and the coverage. i think it is driving the national media not. >> we sent him another check this morning. >> herman cain hasn't dropped down yet. >> i'm sorry, msnbc or a racist in my book. we've got to start calling them racists. >> i'm not going to go that far, but i could not watch keith olbermann. i was an intern in boston when he was a sportscaster and i don't want to get into how little i think of him

professionally, but my point is they have an inherent ice. the people on the left say fox. >> a heavy for the liberal and conservative. >> i would disagree with the caller on one thing. i think the candidates running with herman cain have showed a lot of restraint and what is that. i think they are that he may they have basically said that there is something more to be said, let's say it now and get it out. but i don't think they've attacked him. i think they're waiting to see if there's another shoe drops on my term and can deal with it, which i don't think -- this is not a tent. >> suzanne, i enjoyed your call. >> when the game. they covered up john edwards, but there was 120 stories, cnn on irvine came. and we left it. you've got to get the tape from bill kurtis.

she attacked herman cain. >> i think herman cain needs more people to like his campaign in new hampshire. the suzanne, i want you to call not just weren't c-span. but do you this format? i think you should call c-span and say simulcasts jack show everyday and get it in new york city. thank you of the suzanne. john, go ahead. >> i think herman cain is a joke -- >> how do you really feel, john? >> when you make accusations of harassment obviously is a serious accusation. i wanted to respond to jon huntsman talking about class warfare. it seems to me that class warfare was initiated by republicans governors like john k-6 who got his head handed to him last night trying to take kuwait collective bargaining rights for public employees was

resounding overturned in ohio, 63% to 37%. class warfare has been initiated by the tea bagging, like mr. k-6 and the governors scott walker in wisconsin. >> is that a fair characterization of the tea party? >> absolutely. >> why? >> they are mercenary movement funded by the coke brothers. i mean, that is not -- >> there's no one in the tea party like there's no one in occupy wall street. viciously popped up and supported for three years? >> i think the tea party is a felony populist movement that is funded by corporate america. >> knowing the tea party isoprene for themselves and has convictions for government is to beg ambitious all a conspiracy?

>> i think the people that started to unfurled a yellow frats when a black man got into office. i didn't notice these flags unfurled >> of a $13 trillion debt had nothing to do with? >> i didn't notice when mr. bush started getting trillion dollars debt with iraq and with afghanistan and went six chili and revenue was lost with the tax cut. >> with all due respect, i don't think the tea party could make the progress in 2010 by some corporate backed financing. i think there's a lot of people. i think there's a lot of people in the tea party who has convictions and have got involved in the first time. the list and john, appreciate the call. i want you to have the final

word. >> well, if you want to look at state-by-state, the billions spent in the billions more that will be spent, the unfettered use of campaign money to buy elections i think both prove my point. >> we are going to come back and try and get some final history of the national primaries as we wrap things up to one more segments from wtpl fm radio. thank goodness radio is healthy and life. we'll be right back in a moment and our c-span viewers. who knows, maybe make is to make his escape we'll be right back. >> john is a regular local collar and he definitely has his point of view from the left. and i take it very well that he likes to call so often because

he will call sunday sunset in a site two days ago. he's just been kind of waiting to want to call and set me straight in his mind. >> that's good. he seems to have some anger management issues. >> well, the primary last time is on a day like today. >> what is the percentage? we had over half a million. how many people show up that day? the total turnout was 529,000. that's over half the voting age population. but last year was 1.3? >> then i was 1.2 some thing. well, 529,000 out of 750. it's in the 70th percentile of

the registered voters in a primary. that is all registered voters. there's no other state. the closest states to less is over 10 percentage points in new hampshire. every party of contest right up until super tuesday. >> in your next. now that he's up to date, your next will be when you predict the amount of folks that are going to show the vote. don't you normally do that? you've been almost right on the money. >> when he was on tv, he was wondering if i had socks that i could offer him. one time that was within -- like less than 100 voters. you were saying they should have listened to you. so when you put that number out? >> a week or so.

>> doing great, you guys. >> less than 5%. >> less than 5% of those were from absentee voters. think about that. january 8. everybody stayed and then they went. independent voters outnumber either party really. 21%. i had friends that didn't even know bush was running for election. they were just so that they would vote for anyone but the republican. he's kind of the bob dylan choice. the independents really were on the democratic side. 2010, then it turned obviously here in new hampshire has a huge debt to the right in a lot of states nationally. do you have any sense now where

you think they were still go a little more right or they just going to stay as they are now economically and otherwise? driven a field where people people are out? >> i don't think it's any different than it was a year or two ago. >> just for my listeners, there is some -- i think there's some kind that essay, but i don't explain to go across the 50-yard line. >> that throw the action is. the independents are still going to be coming out and i think they're still in great and they're going to be voting. >> is the president's reelection reelection -- were detained both beat? >> the president's economy will be a patient of fpr 36. they say no, they voted. republicans won't pass any name. we did tarpon not save the banks. they are against everything i've

put a period the wealthy -- we need revenue. were going to cut the deficit to 82 reason money. corporations need to pay more. he's going to run against everything and not put the line of himself. republicans will run against. >> he's the president and the still looked at as the leader. >> the republicans will basely run against congress in washington tend. where do the independents: that argument? >> it is sort of like when you have a state issue your plan the governor. when you have national issues when the president. >> welcome back. this is new hampshire today. delighted to be on c-span for three hours. i know don't know when the last time that have been. so this has been a lot of fun. i want to thank steve scully and the whole c-span team.

viewers out there should know the crews to come out and do this stuff and all the states are super nice people, classy folks been a real service as c-span has since i worked with them years ago. we did our first debate from new hampshire was c-span. see if you are a dirt, the face of c-span is also really, really nice guy. maybe the next white house press secretary. though gartner can the secretary of state in new hampshire. new hampshire's going first again. during the break, mr. secretary, you were saying something since 2008 in primary. john mccain, hillary clinton ended up doing okay. we are a state of 2008, 1.2 million people, correct? >> 2008, 529,000 people voted in new hampshire. out of 750,000 registered voters, that is like 71st of voter turnout. that is participation. that is political participation.

what other state could touch that in terms of batman engaged voters taken the time. people say i'm too busy to go. in the primary cycle four years ago there was no state that came within 10 percentage points in new hampshire. and with even more remarkable, the absentee ballot count was less than 5%. so what the 400 people that actually voted -- over half a million voted on that date going into the polling place and taken part. a little over 4% cast absentee ballots. that is typical from the primary. now that cycle had a big contest in both parties. for some cycles like this one, the big contest is really just in one party. and that makes a difference. so the turnout in one party will be substantially larger than the

other party. >> they set the table and making sure the primary states here. but we don't have a sports team. we have good hockey team. >> winters are particularly warm, but we do take our politics really serious. people do delay their vocations. >> you know it amazes me is of course having an afternoon talk show. the knowledge, the everyday knowledge is out for the people, political knowledge per capita, no disrespect to california. it is so high. new york city, more people in new hampshire just now, you've seen these random polls. they know who the governor is. they know who a representative is. we have one of the largest citizen representative legislator bodies in the statehouse volunteer. hope it stays that way. they don't meet that often. i like that. they take it seriously is what i'm saying. >> there is a unique local

cultures that exist that is not duplicated anywhere else. it is not that the people here are any harder than pete on any other part of the country. it is just that we have the representation you mentioned. california would have to have a legislature of over 11,000 members to equal the representation we have. there are more people in the state of run for office. come on in their family is held in office because their summit office in elections. we elect a governor years. new for i'm sure. before i let you go, joe maiola, thank you for joining us. newt gingrich, ron paul, governor hunt and comer carl, senator ayotte, thank you for making a word. i love putting on the spot because you're such a gentleman. what one political figure whether president comes to mind is the fondest one person you got to know and say what a peach

of a person. who comes to your mind? >> are in the family. upon the candidate that have come through, george h.w. bush, when he came into fio, he did some event i went before or after -- he wanted to make sure that every person, that he had to say hello to. every person -- particularly those who work in the office, who don't get it someone and not -- >> he thought about that. >> thank you for making new hampshire person being part of the program. thanks for being a great part of new hampshire. i want to thank our friends. we will have sports tomorrow. i want to take a final thank you to c-span again. thank you for the kennett new hampshire, participating with wtpl fm and you'll have you back again and maybe make a regular thing of it. jackie, so long. we'll see you later. have a great