campus and universities all across america is hard for students to take the whole summer off to go far away but during the school year, looking for traces of early university, that is what we love to do. i have students outdoors right now digging and it is exciting for them. 100 feet from their classroom they are digging up a storm right now. >> thank you for your time. >> good to be here. . .

one of the one special agents who was here in dallas at the time and lisa is the one who put all these stories together and those of many of the other agents so welcome to dallas and to the sixth floor museum. >> thank you. >> i need to remind folks we need you to turn off yourself phones, not just on silent but turn them off. there's a lot of interference in the dewey plaza area and we want to make sure the recordings come out well. there are two cameras here. those are from c-span. the program is being recorded

for c-span and they will broadcast this some time in the next week or two. the associates here are recording also for our oral history program which now totals over 800 people. we have by no reason for guests will appear on the screens behind us also some photographs ones of the kennedys come from the national archives and white house photographers and the photographs you will see come from the sixth floor museum collections. let's see. we will also have a session many of you filled up the forms already. if you don't have a pencil or pen to write with hold up your hand and people will come around and give you a pencil to ride with. i have prepared questions but i know i can't cover everything and we will see what we can do. toward the end we will get into our q&a session. let's get acquainted. we like to do that with these

programs. raise your hand if you remember the kennedy assassination weekend. >> freeze your hand if you were here in dallas at the time. fascinating. i want to make one point there because a very sad event but we don't want to make this a sad occasion. i would like to pass on to you a story that came to me while i was halfway through the book that did not occur to me until i read a passage in the book. let me take you back to denver colorado both jury and clint worked in the denver office of the secret service but not at this time. in 1963i think it was i saw president kennedy, and at that time we lived next door to one of the top executives at the local mercury dealer and he came over one day and told my dad and by president kennedy is coming to town and we are going well service his limousine.

we live by the major east-west street and i know when they are coming by because if you go out on sixth avenue you will be able to see them and wave to them so i went out there and there is no one else there because the route he was taking from the lowry air force base to denver was not published. i'm the only one out there but i saw the flashing lights and here comes the big limousine i'm sitting their waiting and waiting. he never saw them he was reading something but it occurred to me reading this book that there were secret service agents in the car wondering how did that guy no? [laughter] something in the file probably says find out about that kid. they are getting an awful lot of attention and one of the story is that's been talked about a

lot is the moment when you, jerry come also gunned down the brand new president of the united states lyndon johnson. you at the white house, to get from their what happened? >> i wasn't at the white house. this was about 2:15 in the morning after the assassination and we were all kennedy in detail agents that were standing watch and president kennedy if he came out of sight he would notify the security command post and we get the word around the press was moving. the vice president before he became president usually had about two agents with him. one would be inside and the other out with so he had no idea the protocol and i hadn't slept about 40 hours since i was

hallucinating and the shift agent was still just emotionally from her dallas so he pointed to the johnson submachine gun that we have on the post, and so we placed them there not knowing whether it was a conspiracy or not we were pretty much on edge. when i heard the noises coming from around the house and all of a sudden i had the weapon to my shoulder and the figure on might trigger i didn't notice it but you can recognize lyndon johnson's profile, so fortunately i noticed that right away. but it was close. i had nightmares over that for a long time afterwards. >> those of you who have been here before know where we are with the c-span viewers may not know we are on the seventh floor

of what used to be the texas school depository building. the book now owned by dallas county, the dallas county administration. the museum has exhibits on the sixth and the seventh floor and we are in a separate area. it's a saturday afternoon. in today's it will of been 47 years since president kennedy was killed right outside of these windows. where has this book ben and why has it taken so long for the story from you guys to come out? >> let me start with the motivation first. when i retired i started looking on the internet, and started reading stories about agents we had served with that were accused of being a part of a conspiracy, the driver turned around and shooting president kennedy although if you look closely it would have shot

mrs. kennedy in the back of the head to get the president at time, and just stories defaming the people, and so i read a story that involved tampa and i went back and i looked at my record and said its high time to set the record straight there are not many of us left and we are all gray-haired and won't be around very long so we wanted to leave the record and to find somebody i must have written probably about seven books to tell the stories, but to find somebody that could put the heart and soul in the book, lisa mckibben who wasn't even in the time of the assassination and joyce, my wife and i were friends with her parents and she graduated with my son from high

school, so we saw in the course of this became an agent and i think i will let her discussed her feelings as she put this together with me. >> you want me to talk about that a little bit? first of all it's been an honor and privilege to have been involved in this project. i feel extremely lucky that somehow the stars aligned and we have known each other for all these years and was the right time and we came together to work on this project, and it has been just fascinating to me because i was born in january of 1964 and you know, in history class it seems like when you take u.s. history in your junior year of high school you get to about world war ii and it's may and things are winding down, and i had never studied the kennedy assassination, you know, of course i knew of it, but didn't know much about it.

what i knew it is when i used to go to the bling house for christmas eve they always had a great party down in their basement they had these great photographs of jerry with lyndon johnson and eisenhower and kennedy and why was always fascinated by that but being 12-years-old at that time or 16-years-old i didn't ever really feel comfortable asking about it, so working on this book i feel like i got a rare window into history like no one else has. >> was this your first book? you've been a journalist was of your professional life. >> this is my first published book. >> as i read through the book i could tell where you were leaving me and sometimes when you read books like that you don't -- it's kind of annoying. but with your book i was enjoying getting a fair. i knew what you were leading to an and emotional moment and it was enjoyable to follow on

without it was underwhelmed. how did you decide to write the book in the way you did? >> as jerry said he spent many years putting stories together and he had contacted a lot of the agents already, so i had a lot of material to work with in terms of the serious stories and cannot to the store had to put the story together and to me what was really fascinating and important in this book is to show these men as human beings, not just these nameless men and half sunglasses. they were always very mysterious creatures and, you know, so i've gotten to know them and i realized i mean, they are human beings and the stories that i read from the various agents and as i started interviewing the agents were just so poignant that to me it was important to make love of reader understand who these men were and to love

them and to understand the relationship they had with the kennedys so that you know what's going to happen in the book. everybody knows what is going to happen but you kind of want to know where now you start caring about jerry and want to know where is he going to be when this happens and so i wanted to kind of build that into it. >> you were somewhat reluctant to get involved. you have appeared very few times over the years more so than the other agents but how did you get involved in this book and how did cherry talk you into it? >> i had known him since 1959 and he replaced me when i got transferred to the white house and he called me one day and asked me if i would be willing to contribute to a book he was writing and i was not enthusiastic and all i was very angry and said because i had been offered many chances to write books, contribute, appear on television and various things

and i just didn't want to do it. so then he told me that this book was coming to be factual, no gossip. the information would be coming from the agents that were involved and material that they had come and then he said i could check it out. once he said that, then i agreed to contribute as long as i could check before it was published, which i did and i read the book six times, and i know what is in it and it's a fact, not fiction. >> you mentioned salacious material, and some of the kennedy legacy is the talk about his personal life. there is not a whole lot of that in your book. why is that? >> well, we in the secret service give the president and his family as much privacy as we can. when they get to the second that's where they live. we stay out of there unless we

have to go there or requested to go there. what happens on the second floor is not ours. the second thing goes with other residents away from the white house. we provide them with an environment the to the function safely but they live their lives as they want to live them. we don't interfere and we don't talk about it. >> for several months following the assassination, you continue with your assignment which was jackie kennedy. at some point do people come up to you like after the life magazine came out with the superior film where they can see you running up to the car do they say are you that guide? did that happen? >> barely because i tried to make sure nobody knew who i was but i stayed with them a full year after the assassination until november of 1964 and then i was returned to the white house. >> did that make it easier or harder to deal with what

happened in that personal relationship? >> made it more difficult because ha i had to go through the grieving process. christmas of 64 was an absent because here we are with these younger children who just lost their father and she just lost her husband. you can but it's just impossible. >> did you stay in touch after that? >> after 1964 they threw a going away party for me in new york where she was living at the time. she had moved to new york and i lived in a hotel room in new york and they wished me well and thought i was transferred to wyoming because they thought for sure they would never let me back on the white house detail with the kennedy. i saw her in a funeral for senator robert kennedy and i talked to her a few times on the

telephone because she had the deputy surrounding her children and that was the extent. >> all three of you i assume spoke with many of the current and former agents at the time about this project. how did those conversations go and what kind of response did you get especially from those who would not speak in this project? >> i started by calling jerry's life he had passed on and was our agent in charge so i talked with her and told her i was thinking about doing that. the second person i touched base with less fully -- flayed, surprise and probably to many of you, but we never discussed the assassination with each other. after the assassination occurred there was no trauma counseling.

there was just an awful lot of work to do. so we were left to do the work in our working life was 60 hours a month over time on average. i think i calculated in doubt we made about a dollar 80 cents an hour and we just were constantly working and the only way you could relax is take an hour or two after you got off and spend time relaxing with of the agents you were working with, and so we just somehow kind of swallowed our motions and got wrapped up in the new president and we had no idea what impact it was going to have on us the rest of our lives but there were two agents that i talked to the told me

they didn't want to participate and one was jeffrey and i have a great deal of empathy for jack reid because he was on the president's side of the automobile and when he heard the first rick he looked up from where the shock came from and they explained leader as a scandal over he noticed the president's hand go to his throat and so clint to off immediately and jack then turned around and coming you know, for all his might he wanted to jump off the car but the follow-up car driver pulled over and even attempted to make. he had been run over by the car but then there was a movie in hollywood has played a big impact on all of this in the line of fire the of clint

eastwood's figure faced where jack reid was on the follow-up car and the theme of the movie was he failed and that was the theme of the movie. i'm speculating but i think this probably what impacted jack and he just said emotionally she couldn't participate. a second agent, don, assigned to do the departure we were so stripped down of agents on the trip but that will probably be another question, but don was the senior agent and you need a senior agent to handle the departure, so he was left behind. you may have seen movies that some of the theorists say he was being told to stand down.

bond was getting his term to run by the car and he knew he was going to have to stay there but not being able to be with the president in dallas that they really impacted him. >> one of the things that comes out very clearly in the book is the day-to-day routine of the agents endless hours a day in and day out of just standing and watching. how do you do a job like that? >> sometimes you are looking off into the black water out there somewhere saying why did i least four years going to college, but the rest of the time our agents were free technology. we used hand signals with each other. we had no radio communication. we had three by five cards with photographs of people and on the

back of the three by five card we had their biography and so forth and we would memorize those pictures and then people would always ask why we wore sunglasses because behind the sunglasses your bodies can look right and left and so if you see one of the individuals then you been on the side of the car and their agents did that and you do a quick turnover that way they've got there on him and if you feel the threat than you notify the driver to move on but that was our technology. >> is it okay for the general public to know that now? [laughter] >> we had a budget in 1963 for 4.5 million. i don't think we had that much, but we had probably 330 agents. there were 34 of us on the white

house detail. there were two agents on the first and three agents on the children and today they have a budget of conservative 1.4 billion in the summer in the neighborhood of about 3500 agents and 7,000 employees so it's an altogether different game today. but the weaponry is much better, too. when you get sniper rifles that can do head shots at a mile away and some of the other technologies then larger groups use suicide as a weapon and you still have a serious problem i'm positive the agents today have the same heart and soul that we do.

estimate of the business is so much more complicated now it makes me wonder did you have to show the manuscript to the service before it went to the publisher? >> why don't you take one we are talking about. >> they didn't have to receive approval from the saddle from the secret service. however, we had allowed me to take a bookend talk to the data intermark solomon about it and he read the book and he called me yet and he was very enthusiastic about the book and he invited us to come to his office and have a luncheon with him which everybody did, and he indicated that he thought the context of the book should be read by every new agent in the service because it would help them understand exactly what had happened in the past and use that affirmation for what they are doing today. >> i might add to that client did notify directors saladdin while we were writing the book and wanted to let him know that

was being done and at first what did he say? >> not another book. but then he said he found out fat client was involved that we don't have a problem with it. we know it is going to be worthy of trust and confidence. >> can't get much better than that. >> after you left the service you did mostly security work but lived for a while in the dallas area. were you here when the word first got out of there was going to be a museum about the kennedy assassination here in town? >> no, i worked for ibm for 27 years i started -- i left july july 1964 and i ended up working on law enforcement and intelligence systems and helped

design the national crime information center for the cia and mobile terminals fingerprint scanners. my frustration and i think one of the reasons i left is it is almost it seemed like a feudal job unless we had the type of equipment needed, so i worked quite a while on matt and i made a call on the secret service because the fbi system could check for one of the people and we have no way of keeping track of where these potential threat cases were so we had a new data processing manager of the secret service and so i said why don't you just tie into the national crime information center and run the inquiry through and if you get the hit at least you will know where they are and they

said that would be an invasion of privacy. after going through the assassination i just couldn't take that so i went into the security side of ibm and here in dallas and worked for the article international and you already had them up and running pretty well then. >> you stayed with the service for a while but then you retired and dealt with your personal situation. what kept you busy since then? >> i just try a number of businesses and just kept busy with my family. that is about the only thing i've been able to do recently. but i did stay with of the service and returned to the white house 1964 and was assigned to then-president johnson. first thing that happened was president johnson still in texas

and i was down there and one day i was walking between the house and the security room and president johnson's call me. he recognized me as having been on the kennedy detail. i had met him personally in new york he had come to visit mrs. kennedy one day at the hotel and said he was and as soon as he knew he called and talked to the agent in charge and said that he wanted me removed immediately, didn't want me assigned to be to the detail with him because i had been with the kennedy loyalists said he went in to talk to them and after about 30 minutes he convinced them that i should stay so i stayed a and eventually within three years to become the agent in charge of his and when he left office he asked if i would be willing to come down to the ranch and run

his protective detail and i told him i didn't think my career ladder should end at the river. [laughter] said he accepted my denial going down there to take that job and i went on to the vice president protection and moved to the headquarters and eventually the director for all protection and then i was retired in 1875. >> in 1975 that was the interview on one of the earliest 60 minutes programs and you got a phone call at one point and i know this is in detail in the book this was a moment you first talked on camera about the kennedy assassination and people have remembered of the persons and of course now is on youtube

everywhere. do people ask you a lot about the appearance and one do you tell them about that moment? >> i did ask about it because it is one of those situations where a completely broke most of it. 60 minutes actually did it eating twice, the first time the state did everything went fine. the got back to new york and don hewitt who ran a 60 minutes didn't like the way they did it because they didn't get into my emotions enough and so mike wallace called me and said we have technical problems with that we have to shoot it again swing at him for lunch at a hotel in washington and they shot it again this time the questions were quite different than they were the first time and he got right into my emotional baggage in the book on camera. many times people have asked me about that and if i had recovered and yes i can say i have but actually i'm glad that

happened the way that they did because that was the first time i ever let loose of any of that emotional baggage i had stored inside of me. >> you had another moment where you and your wife came back to the plaza. >> and 1990 the agents had an organization called the association of former agents of the u.s. secret service and held a conference in san antonio and my wife and i decided to go to that and i decided that since we were in the dallas area i didn't tell anybody this, but that we were going to go to dallas and san antonio and i was coming to the plaza. i hadn't been here since the assassination of 1963. so, we came to the plaza and i spent some time of serving all of the ingalls looking at the trees and how much they had grown and what was different

between 1960 and 1990 and the way the scope of the plaza was situated in relation to the streets came up in just opened as a museum at that time and looked out the window to see what the view was and realized how close it was. there was a very easy shot and i came away realizing that i did what i could that day i couldn't have done any more because i had done everything i could have done. >> you heard three shots, three shots all came from the same location. evenly spaced different? >> i didn't hear the first shot. i only heard two shots. i was looking to the left to the grassy area where i heard the shot my vision took me to the right and so my eyes went across

the back of the president's car so he started to merge to his left. i knew something was wrong so i jumped up and started to run for the presidential car to get there in time to cover because what we try to do is cover and evacuate. i was trying to get there so that no one could do further damage to the president or to mrs. kennedy. by the time i got to the car buff third shot i heard the president right here and blood and brain matter was all over the place including on me but by that time mrs. kennedy came out of her seat she was trying to retrieve something that had come up and had led to the right rear i slept at first trying to get out because the driver accelerated the car and began

fighting again, got up on the car and when i did that the president fell over to his left into her lap and i could see the upper right portion of his head a large hole about the size of my palm look like somebody had taken a scoop of brain matter thrown around the car and particles all of the car his eyes were fixed and quite sure it was a fatal wound. i turned to the fall apart to give a thumbs down to know if it was a dire situation. the driver accelerated his car and we were going towards the freeway. we got up alongside just past the car which was driven by the chief of the police and he was in the car with him and we were screaming at them to get us to a hospital. he got into the car and led us to the nearest hospital. >> from the book and from some of the interviews that i have

seen you were convinced that there were three shots. one hit the president, one hit governor connally and the third president kennedy. >> that's correct. >> now you know that is contradicted by the warren commission they concluded that the first shot hit kennedy and connally, the second shot missed and struck a mere bystander. >> two of us believe they got in first and connally was right beside when she hit and so i think i'm pretty good company in believe in the second shot was the fatal wound to the president. >> i believe there were two mistakes of the warren commission made that they did not call sam kenny who was the driver of the follow-up car or emery roberts the ship leader

because sam had to keep his eye constantly on the limousine and he saw all three shots on the mark and every soul all three shots on the mark. unfortunately they were announced to testify. estimate it must have been amazingly difficult keeping up with attacks like these and trying to separate facts from some of the silly stories out there. how do you do it? >> a lot of long days. jerry and i talked about this a lot because i read something or read reports and this contradicts what you're telling me what clinton is telling me and i came to realize these were the guys that were there and their memories are so vivid and clear as i would talk to other agents they would corroborate

the story, and i would realize this is the truth and the other people writing these other reports and all these researchers that have studied this endlessly when they were non-there's a you can take some of what is written, but what i believe is what these men have told me to be true. >> i promised we would do q&a. i've got a bunch of questions already if you still need to fill out one of the cars please do so if you need something to write hold up your hand and people will come by. here's an interesting one. it is a tough one. you are spending so much time promoting the book how is your golf game coming? >> it's not the same as it was before i started promoting at. it's not that good.

[laughter] >> if folks are 99% certain that there was no conspiracy, what is the 1%? >> i would say 100%. i think any good investigator realizes a conspiracy where one or more people or two or more people participate in a crime that lasts probably 60 days at most it's been 47 years, and there has been no evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy that has been proven. no proven facts. there is a lot of speculation that the then they just ignore the facts. i've gone through all the volumes of the warren commission read through and i have not found anything. i felt a real injustice was made

when the house select committee on assassinations studied and investigated a number of conspiracies and they finally said well we can find no evidence of a conspiracy, however, we feel there was a conspiracy. now if that isn't a bit fuddling solution, i don't know what is. >> here's a question that we get here the museum a lot. why wasn't the building secured and which buildings pose a bigger threat? that goes to the heart of how you did your job and the public perception. >> i think everybody on the detail agrees there would have been no better agent. he was very specific, but we go

back to the 34 agents and we had 11 experienced agents leaving two months prior to the assassination, so we have to take all of our experienced agents and put them off in advance and they told me to go to the secret service and walz was in miami and then he went to san antonio, so he had all of the resources out. usually there were only about five agents with of the president at the time if there were another function we were going to and then one of the agents would cover the day shift so you probably have ten but with the five agents are which job wasn't to go after the assassination, our job was to

cover the president and evacuate from the area. on the ability that day the vehicle was going 11 miles an hour. there were 85 feet to catch up with. he ran basically 15 miles an hour to reach the presidential power and he got there after the third hit. there was no way anybody could have done anything to save him that day. estimate the one that's troubled me as one that has questions about some of the events of that day the question is where were the secret service people positioned in the plaza? where were they on the plaza? >> they had no agents in the

plaza whatsoever. they said that this was of the ideal place because this isolated building but you look at the county take into the courthouse across the way and the other buildings there was nothing unusual about this area and knowing there wasn't always air-conditioning people were hanging out of it and we didn't have the resources. he did most of the events themselves so you have to rely on local law enforcement and local law enforcement didn't have the resources. if we all knew that the moving platform which by the way the president had the top off by presidents everywhere he went only if he reigned or the wind

was blowing and mrs. kennedy was a company in without a hat and that is the only time the bubble top went on, so we knew that we had that isolation or that problem of exposure and even the night before president kennedy talked with o'donnell and mrs. kennedy and she but ask questions about protection and he said it would be very easy to kill the president just why taking the shot out of a window with this is a democracy. we didn't have the resources then pureed the resources in fact were the same that they had after the blair house shooting, and we had no threat whatsoever or attempts against president eisenhower. >> so that is one of the things that changed as a result of jobless, to write an open cars.

>> that's right. i had an opportunity at our luncheon to take a look at president obama's car. i hardly had the energy to open the door. [laughter] the secret service car prepared the united states who happens to be president obama. [laughter] >> the build in secure or the windows open and closed people were hanging out the windows. the building would secure the main street of the houston and elma and have a building secured by the rest of them the public

perception is deutsch all windows but in reality you don't. had that time we were unable to. today it's different. there are ways that we do the major tracks in the various areas. >> let's see. >> how well or not will do all of the agency's work together and share information of that time. [laughter] >> cspi i would say anything about the bureau, did they did the best job they could. there was a lack of exchange of information sometimes, but for the most part there was good cooperation between the secret service, the fbi, the cia, whatever you want, the nsa, all of them.

we all were in this together and we all helped each other. the problem in this case as best i & is always called wasn't really on anybody's list. he had no history of violence and just because he didn't like some of kennedy's's policies as he espoused doesn't mean he is on a list. >> the fbi talked with him because of his defection, but he really didn't have the kind of record that would cause him to notify the secret service if he might be a threat. >> one of the questions that comes a lot is was the limousine driving too slow? was there a minimum speed you had to stay above? was there some relation that says you can't make a tight turn like the one from elm st.? are those in the manual in the guidebook? >> nope. there's no guidelines like that

and there's one of the misconceptions. there was a difficult term they made out here, and i've heard comments the witnesses say the car stopped and i think one of the big mistakes if you watch the film going at natural speed you will see how fast this happened. it happened in less than six seconds. the first sound which sounded different to build in the front seat bill wondered if he would have a blowout so he tapped the pedal to see if there was stability in the car but if you watch the film, you don't even see the slowdown of the car. a difficult making the turn of this greater than when you brought it here you will notice

houston turning onto elm is a pretty sharp turn and that is a pretty good size car, doesn't have a great turning radius so he had to slow down considerably, so much so that the motorcycle riders had a difficult time keeping their bikes up right as they made the turn and when they got going he was up to 11 or 12 miles per hour which is what we were coming down main street. they had to slow down more with that is generally. >> kennedy's driver hadn't driven there before. he arrived with myself on air force one that he knew the follow on the front would know the root. >> that was in the discussions. >> lisa is this your first time to deal and what did you think the first time you did that here? >> the first time i came was in january of 2009, is that right? or was it this year?

2010. we were in the middle of writing the book and i said to jerry i've never been to dallas and i think i probably need to go. so, jerry and his wife joyce and i came here and was really in valuable and i assure my comments were the same as everybody else. you say while it is a lot smaller than i ever imagined it was coming and then to go up to the museum on the sixth floor he claims there is a shot and how easy it was and the trees or quite a bit taller and more mature than they were in 1963 it just gave me a great perspective on how just how to describe the situation and try to give the

reader the feel of what it was like for those people that hadn't been here as i am guessing most readers haven't so they feel like they are seeing everything out of the engine side because as has been mentioned this was their first time and they didn't know what buildings were around the corner she or the lay of the land. >> we have a question here that refers in a way to something that's bothered me and if i could ask you gentlemen to speculate, one of the really interesting stories is that within a minute after the shooting the dallas police officer dallas marshall smith ran toward the parking lot toward the grass mole in the area and encountered a man and smith had his gun drawn and encountered a man that identified himself and flashed some credentials that he was

secret service and yet there were no secret servicemen on the ground. any idea who that person could have been? we had some that looked official to the officer. any idea what that could have been? >> i have no idea. >> going to have to keep digging, aren't on? >> it wasn't a secret service agent. >> there were no agents in the area. >> somebody had lost identification and so the secret service reissued in 64 new commission books that is absolutely false. president carter's car was stripped down to the frame and rebuild and was i assume

bulletproof or resistant and was used by president johnson. do you have a comment of having to write in that car? >> not to me. i was in the front seat when he was in the back and he never said anything about that. how did you feel in that car? >> it was emotional to notice was the car and the assassination had occurred but like you say they stripped down and -- >> i can't recall the exactly how the strength was but it was sufficient. that is the first time they called in to the secret service. the assassination the secret service tried and the only when they could find been used was by jay edgar hoover. who happened to be long used by al capone. [laughter]

>> we called it a 150 was the number of the car was a handgun but at least it had some resistance. >> as you prepare this book and search through your mind to come up with the information and the stories that had been helpful, was it painful to go through all of this? >> painful from the aspect that i operated mainly on the internet, and i found out i normally wasn't touching on the side and so i started using of the telephone and one question ago to an hour and 15 minute telephone conversation and will of a sudden i started detecting of the emotions, and the

difficult thing was bringing the the emotions out to people who carried the burden over the years. it was very deep inside. i found without the counseling everybody handle this differently but it truly had an impact on their lives. >> what do you hope people take from this book? >> what i want is a balanced history. lisa ran into an article in usa today that said the the trend the ages of the team to 2982% believe it was a conspiracy and i realize people don't like to think president can buy at the hand of one individual, but there were some circumstances that came through. i think one of them slowing the film down because everybody

created a history but this is what i call a blame society because people come up with a fury and then they blame the lousy right wing or the lousy left-wing or it was the black or the hispanic russia or organized crime. it's a sad tribute when you look at something like chile where the miners were trapped they didn't ask to hang the mine owner or bringing government agency in and said let's get these people out of there. that's the way we used to operate, and i think when president kennedy was assassinated it was the end of the age of innocence. >> you asked the question what do we want to do with this book, first and foremost would decide was the most important point but

for me i felt it was a heartbreaking and heartwarming story of people. they were a band of brothers and they all said to me that there was a very small group of men and they spend more time with each other and the kennedy family than they did with their own family. the eight together, slept together, prayed together, worked together and they were a band of brothers and to me there was a very important point to get in the book. >> another question here some folks are wondering if the book is going to be turned into a film or actually there is a tv special. >> the discovery channel filmed a documentary based on the book, and we actually filmed it in dallas in june of this year as a reunion of the agents on the

kennedy detail to with which are in the audience. it was the first time these agents had ever come together to talk of this incident, so it is a very compelling film and i hope you'll watch it. it is airing december 2nd, 9 p.m. eastern. islamic it was originally scheduled for this monday night but it's been moved. >> it's been moved to december 2nd. i would like it to the film. the book cries of refills if there are any producers in the audience. [laughter] >> this may some things up quite well. this is from dalia knott crites i'm glad you were here. thank you. you did all you could. thank you very much. [applause]

>> jerry and clint and lisa will be here for a book signing. you are welcome to stop by to greet let's see. the discovery channel show, you mentioned that. >> we are good. >> thank you for coming to the 64 museum in joining the program. now on your screen is the national press club author might is well known author ann coulter she just did three hours on in depth with book tv. i did want to ask you your most recent book, "demonic," for the first time ever you are wearing a white dress. [laughter] >> yeah, we wanted to shake things up a bit. i stick to the black dress for awhile. we take photographs. the dress i was wearing in the

photo was agreement, but the design people, the arch people in publishing fault it looked better to have me in black because it looks like i'm a letter to read any way they are the ones that often recover the dress i was wearing black and live as always in favor of it because for some reason me in a black cocktail dress drove liberals mad and i enjoyed doing that. >> so your most recent, demonic, has been out for six or seven months now. >> [inaudible] >> are you working on another book at this point? >> nope. this is a lot of work, this book. it took a lot of research. i sort of knew about the revolution like most americans i didn't know a lot about it and it was just so much research and little talking to other humans. but no, and it's great to be about a year now. to think about what the theme of

the book is going to be but also tired. >> long book tour? >> the book tour in the up being fun. i usually hate the first two weeks but as my publisher publicist bixby get up early that is the only thing i hate about it but then on and outsmart her by giving to california and she's not going to get me about four in the morning and i still on the east coast time so it's like i'm sleeping in. >> in two sentences what is demonic about? >> it is about the mentality and what is a part of liberalism beginning with the french revolution, the american revolution and explaining to hundred years of the history of liberalism, how they rely on mama's and what you see occupy wall street. it's consistent with i talked about in this book. >> chris christi has endorsed mitt romney.