he did not see that, if you have a two-time convicted black felon setting there being accusedded of the third felony, the jury is probably going view him one way, and if you have a white upstanding member of the community sitting there, the jury is going to be inclined to view him very differently. ...

can the financial district out to the valleys and was silent in the city as you will see a lot of people out there was no moises. people were beyond words. you couldn't speak, you know, it was just too much. and jim jones was part of the coalition. >> welcome yes. in fact the reason jim jones led is a couple of good reporters, phil tracie and marshall were preparing an article in which they had gone to members of the people's temple and said, disaffected members who claim jones was beating them and stealing their money and sleeping with their wives or husbands and so on, and they

were preparing this article which was going to bleed the couple the lead of who he was and keep in mind he was an ally because he could discern all the people of the temple. the disciplined, trey tough walkers and jim jones was aware of the article was about to be published. somebody actually broke into the office of the magazine and rifled the finals to destroy the article before it could be published and then when it was clear it was coming to be published a that was on jim jones list. so it was very much connected. george mosconi and willie brown defended jim jones until the day he died. history is a tragedy not melodrama. >> what about tommy martin after the trial? was that the end of their career what happened? >> michaud had no political role

little. he left politics. they went on prosecuting the cases some of schmidt will he like tommy i wasn't particularly friendly towards tommy. i didn't describe the style but if you could imagine stanley was sort of slithering through the product without was kind of tommy -- he would never say if he could say of verb he was a very pretentious kind of guy. he went on working. they felt so badly for him they furiously discussed offering him a partnership in their firm. [laughter] they liked tommy. a lot of people around the hall of justice like him and were

sorry to see that he had messed up big time. it sort of wiped out all of the accomplishments and he is no longer among us. so may he rest in peace. >> we would like to remind the audience this is a program of the commonwealth club of california listening to double play of dan white got away with murder and changed san francisco with reporter and author might weiss. we've reached the point in the program this time for one last question, and i guess i want to know how with the city be different today if it were not for these tragedies? >> i don't know that they would be. well, dianne feinstein probably wouldn't be u.s. senator but i don't know if that has much effect on the life of the city. there wouldn't be streets and

buildings named after harvey and george but other than that i don't think would be a different city. a lot of time has gone by. history flows for work and things go on a common and i don't see that on a daily kind of basis it makes much difference in fact we've got the elections again. i can never keep track. i don't live in the city anymore. it's a pity i got to get to vote for the supervisors but i can never keep track of when the air in or out because it seems to be a constant back-and-forth but i would say that i don't know what any differences that we would feel in our lives today if this hadn't occurred in the names and so on. we disagree someone want to give a better answer than that but there was a pretty weak answer. >> thanks to mike weiss author of double play the hidden passion behind the double assassination of moscow me and harvey. [applause]

we also thank the audience here as well as those listening to the recording and now this meeting of the commonwealth club of california celebrating more than a century of enlightened discussion is adjourned. [applause] up next booktv interviewed don keith while touring a birmingham alabama as part of our cities tour. mr. keith recounts the military career of dudley mush morton who

commanded the uss wahoo in the pacific. >> mush morton was probably the most influential submarine skipper of world war ii. he was really the first true submarine base, and i compare him quite a bit with the pilot that did so much in world war ii and the error war especially europe. mush as such an interesting character that i was surprised nobody had on a biography on him yet. i had done several books on the submarines and history and i joke and say i don't write about submarines or world war ii history. i prefer to write about people and people in extraordinary situations, and extraordinary people in extraordinary situations. and that exactly describes to the t dudley mush morton, the fellow with a funny sound nickname. he -- i won't say single-handedly because he

appears at the time doing some very unusual things with those remarkable vessels win world war ii broke out -- but he was definitely the one who stood above all the rest and the way that he innovated the use of the submarine and warfare. prior to world war ii, the submarine was in most cases a defensive weapon. there was designed to protect the harbors and shorelines. they were called fleet boats because they were designed the company fleet of other vessels from attack for the submerge for the attackers but in most cases they couldn't stay up with the fleet. they couldn't even do a real good job of that. at the same time, not only was the equipment limited, but the methods of fighting the submarine warfare were completely different. the theory was if the stated intent, if you have a perfect shot and took it because the limited number of torpedoes that he could carry. once he fired the shot you ran

as fast as you could which wasn't very fast about eight or nine most the most they could do. only about 20 on the circuits. so, the stealth was the main thing. the submarine skippers that's the way to conduct warfare. the afternoon after approval harbor when president roosevelt made that famous day of the infamous speech he issued for the first time in america the declaration that we were an unrestricted warfare with the empire of japan. that changed the thought process on how we fought the war. we had two things going for us. even though we were not to plea convinced there would be the war in the pacific, we still had some folks in the navy who had begun development of a new class of submarines. and oddly enough have more comforts a lot of people think

of the german u-boats and those were extraordinarily effective by the machine but the new class of submarines that were on the drawing board in the 1930's were far superior even than the u-boats. the first was the class. they could buy the brand go further and have much more by power than anybody that had come along. the one thing we didn't have when the war broke out in december of 1941 was the submarine skippers who could fight the kind of war that we needed to fight which gets the japanese into the pacific. it's not their fault. they've been taught a whole different way to run the submarines but once the unrestricted warfare was declared, thankfully we had some officers who stepped to the forefront, and adopted the submarines and were able to take that remarkable equipment and use it very effectively when the war broke out. i like to joke and say most of them had filenames. red ramage, moped milligan.

these were great names. they sound like a movie matinee sort of heroes and then here comes stevan morton. dudley mush morton. not only was he a character but he instinctively knew how to take the new class of submarines and use it to the best of world war ii. dudley like a lot went far, far from salt water. most of his yaki year's padilla pipe but his dad sent him into ibm ebe his teenage brothers fellows and high school and his mother was ill said he went live with his aunt and uncle in miami. it's fortunate that the on and uncle were very well off and politically connected they were

able to get dudley and the naval academy after he spent some time in the prep school to begin he didn't have an especially distinguished career at the naval academy. he was a good athlete and a world-class rustler and football player though rustling is where he really excelled. but he tended to rub his instructors and commanding officers away because he fought on his own he is a very active and creative mind. he didn't necessarily take his studies. he preferred to be in a little stiff out on the chesapeake bay he left to sail and that meant he was obviously cut out to be many but not necessarily submarines. after he graduated he went to the west coast and was awarded to the destroyer free period of time but eventually decided that he wanted to be a submarine captain. a lot of peoples' shows the submarine command for a number of reasons. one, typically the command of the vessel was the most rapid

way to advance in the navy and eventually become an admiral. a lot of people enjoy the smaller crew being able to know each member said capabilities without having the 600 or 700 men to have to know. the typically know whether the crew is pham, who the parents are, how good they are when they have to buy at the surface or the torpedoes, so for that reason a lot of people prefer the submarine demand. of course when he went and submarines and people in the arlington the submarines in the 30's they did not know that they were necessarily being in the account of the war they necessarily would be. once he got into submarines again he didn't have a specially a colorful career. he was just very typical submarine skipper and very old equipment. the old boats which were not very effective. when the war broke out he was actually the skipper of one of

the old s boats that had spent time in the caribbean and helped protect the zone against the yen possible german activity of the war should break out. windel war did start, he was off the east coast and had one encounter with the boat and he did fire one torpedo. he knew it wasn't going to get anything because it is hard for one submarine to stick another because you not only have this and this but you also have this and this to think about. he did what most would have done after he found the torpedo. he died and went away. he was actually reprimanded by that for the officer that recommended that he be sent to the branch of the navy and not remain a submarine captain because he turned and ran from the boat. i don't know if he took that to heart or if it just made him mad but i think from that point on he wanted to prove he had what it took to be the submarine skipper.

he didn't get run out of the submarine service at that time. he ended up actually in perlo harbor as a prospective officer of the submarine. they gave him command of an old when he walked on the boat he announced to the crew anybody listening that this was a death trap. there's no way i'm going to take this to the war. he went back to the commander and refused to go on the submarine because it was in such bad shape and so ill-equipped. the submarine squadron commander said okay you were finished with submarines and told them to draw up the paper work and get the surface navy as quickly as he could. morton went to plead his case to the squadron commanders. he walks in and shakes his hand and the commander says it seems like i remember you at annapolis weren't you a rustler that i see you play football? they sat and talked about football and rustling.

the submarine commander suddenly said any man with a handshake like that can command my submarines. so morton once again dodged the bullet and went on to stay in the submarine navy. i will mention at the time when he was stationed on the west coast he was actually on the destroyer in the early 1930's and los angeles california he spent a lot of time with hollywood folks and he loved to go to the hollywood party and the loved him because he was such an individual but agreed stories most of them not true but he told great stories and he was very, very popular in hollywood when he was stationed of the submarines, morton was assigned as the prospective commanding officer on the uss. the prospective commanding

officer said you take a ride on the patrol with inexperienced submarine skipper and you kind of learn the ropes from him and then come back and get command of your own vessel. in this case the result of collusion among the crew to get the current skipper replaced and that collusion lead to mush morton being assigned to the wahoo. he was also a board for the wahoo's second patrol. on the first patrol, the skipper of that time was very typical of the ones that were commanding submarines at the beginning of the war. he had fired some shots but as they had been taught they went away as quickly as he could. he didn't follow up to try to attack again. in the opinion of the executive officer, she had actually avoided a lot of potential

targets that were right for a sinking and he strongly suspected the man was not cut out to be a submarine captain. that executive officer was a gentleman named dick. he sank more ships than anybody else. he went to the squadron commander and recommended him for the crew. he observed the other captain and saw what was going on and he started politicking once they got there at the end of the patrol to take over wahoo and that's what happened. i think it's important to know that the conditioning skipper on wahoo who took on the first patrol and above the wrong way and was not effective as a submarine commander he went on to serve in the surface navy and did some heroic things and helped to win the war and that

helped end with a lot of them that adjust for not cut out to be subsequent skippers. and i giglio them their due. i like to say they showed up for a gunfight with a knife when it's more prepared for that kind of war if curia morton want to leave them on the third patrol that became the most spectacular of world war ii submarine patrol the second entire convoy they were due to be out for about five weeks they were out of the tepito in three weeks. he used the def guns most submarine skippers didn't she would please read into the convoy with the guns going and shoot. they sink an entire convoy by themselves during that patrol. when they got back to pearl

harbor, the navy knew we needed some good news. they made sure that the whole world knew about wahoo and was on the front page of all of the newspapers. all of the newsmagazines, newsreels and the feeders were talking about wahoo and its shell shock skipper stevens people. he spent time with hollywood folks and renewed acquaintance is there that will come back a little later, too to read a second patrol was just about as spectacular but they did some amazing things. on the first patrol they were ordered to pass a little island that had a harbor and they couldn't even find it on the charts but the navy issued it. they had to use and at less one of the members had bought in australia for his son and they found it on very and they were able to projected on the wall and tore all the right stuff, so they knew they were in their right area. the owners were to drive by the area and see if there was any enemy activity. well, this means sale right into

the harbor and the harbor so shallow they could feel the swells against the reef. they were close enough to the beach to could count the coconuts on the palm trees. they see the destroy your coming their way. mush morton executes the first successful down the throat shot to shoot the profile of the destroyer. it's almost impossible because there is a narrow range you can actually shoot otherwise the torpedo would go too far and you would miss it completely plus it is a narrow target. they sank the destroyer and side of the harbor and it is quite a dramatic scene. that just lead to the lower. this continued, but it's important to note we were having a lot of problems with the torpedo with the time they simply wouldn't six loan or one true. one of the higher ranking members of the submarine command was in engineer who designed the torpedoes, said he was reluctant

to admit there was any problem with them. mush morton was not reluctant to admit there was a problem with them and he even went to charles, the commander submarine specific and pitched a fit in his office about the seizure mission with a torpedo. after that he called his wife, mush morton did and said you've married a failure they are going to kick me out of the navy and he honestly felt at that point even though he was a big fan and the most famous submarine skipper in the world he was convinced they were going to run him out of the navy because all of this planning about the torpedo. it turned out the was the impetus, one of the things that pushed the navy to go ahead and do something about the torpedo. and they did after that. she ended up with a total life patrols in only ten months. he was again one of the most prolific skipper's in the navy and sinking a large number of vessels despite the problems they were having.

but, wahoo was lost on the last patrol in all hands, and until 2005 we were not even sure where wahoo was. we knew she was off the northern coast of japan, but thanks to some of the relatives convinced the author and to the navy and even to russia and some russian petroleum exploration will craft the eventual located and took enough pictures to convince the navy that it really was wahoo and then they had several memorial services. it's a great relief to the family of the men who were lost to be able to point to a particular place and say that's where the submarine went down. to that point, wahoo was still stood as missing in action for all family members knew the crew could have been captured, they could have died and the concentration camps.

they didn't know what happened. but the man who found wahoo and were able to do the research actually talked to some of the pilots that had fired that day when she was soft. they pieced together the total story. he was fighting until the in those was his nature. he was unable to avoid the bombs that the claims were dropping and she was this is also important to the people who were searching for established a memorial not to wahoo only, but to wahoo, told the people that lost their lives at the hand of wahoo and they called it the peace memorial. this was to honor the people that fought on both sides and who died in action, not just the american submarine. it's a beautiful memorial overlooking the stretch of water where they actually went down. >> what prompted you to write

this book? >> i had written several books about world war ii history, and was moving away from that for a wily and had some other ideas for the books on one wanted to do but i was in jacksonville, florida on business and had several hours before the flight was scheduled so i went to st. mary's georgia and was one of the most wonderful museums in the whole world in a tiny little place, but you could build a submarine out of the stuff that they had. if you go upstairs to hit the bottom fell out of print books back before the internet the had taken the trouble to tie up and reproduce the reports from every single world or to patrol the opened the big books. morton by the way when he rode in the patrol reports like poetry. he had been a great novelist because he had a colorful way of writing. i stole a lot of that in his book, but i told a book about

world war ii skippers and how influential he and a couple of years had been in the wave of war was conducted and how they were able to win the war. people don't realize that in no time in world war ii was the submarine force any more than 2% of the total naval forces in the south pacific. and yet, submarines sank over 50% of the enemy shipping sunk in world war ii. we lost 3200 men. we lost 52 submarines in the war. they also had the highest casualty rate of any branch of the service. we think about the marines who were those extremely brave men and we think about the loss of life. 25% of those who went to the war in the pacific died in those submarines. but going through that and reading about mush morton i thought i've got to find his biography. i have to find out more about this man because he is one of the most fascinating characters that i love to read about dick

can get a book about wahoo but it's more about the crew and mush morton a part of it. the men on the wahoo who was on the last patrol where they were last she was taken off the boat at the dock in midway when he watched them sail away. he wrote a very good book about the enlisted man's point of view but it wasn't just wahoo. again mush morton was an important part of the biography. i wanted to find out more about what made him real and the way he was to read a great story and i am a sucker for a great story. now on your screen is the national press club author night is well known author ann coulter who just did three hours on in depth with booktv. ann coulter, i did want to ask

you for most recent book demonic. for the first time ever you are wearing a white dress. [laughter] >> yeah, we wanted to shake things up a bit. i stuck to the black dress for a while. we take photos -- sometimes the dress i was actually wearing in the photo was green, but the design people, the art people back to the publishing house thought it looked better to have me in black because it looks like i am a letter. any way they were the ones who would often recall where the dress i was wearing black and i was always in favor of it, because for some reason me on the cover of my book and a black cocktail dress drove liberals matter and i enjoy doing that. >> so demonic, your most recent come has been out for six or seven months now. >> [inaudible] >> are you working on another book at this point? >> nope, nope. this is a lot of work in this book. it took a lot of research. i sort of knew about the revolution but like most

americans they didn't know about that and there was so much research and so little talking to other humans but no i think it is going to be about a year now. any time to think about the next theme of the book is going to be, but also line just tired. >> long book tour? >> the book tour ended up being fund. i usually hate the first two weeks but if they make me get up early that is the only thing i hate about it. but then i am not smart her by going to california and she isn't going to get that for a cut in the morning and i stay on the east coast time so it's like i'm sleeping in. >> into sentences what is demonic about? >> demonic is about the mentality and how it is a part of liberalism beginning with the french revolution, the american revolution which i contrast, and