could not contact me -- i'm highly contactable person. it's a pr firm that recognizes me. i have publishers. there's numerous ways to contact me easily. no one contacted me. as they say in a witness statement, the claim by the trellis was that my eldest tighter was revealing that harry potter died in the final harry potter. i'm the master had received complaints from students and parents because their children were so upset by this. so my daughter is being characterized as some kind of holy, is using information from me to upset people and there is not one word of truth in it.

there have been no complaint. my totter could not possibly have told anyone what happened because that her request she didn't want to know. so, and very wary of speculating, but i have been on the receiving end of stories being put to one that probably would test the journalists is aware are true, but the strategy seems to be table surprised them into saying something that they can then print. so because they would say why not contact me? that possibly there is a hope that the headmaster might inadvertently reveal that she had said something or inadvertently reveal that is not what i heard. who knows. but again, she approached my daughters told to me was outrageous. >> this is the time of wild speculation as to what happened

at the end of the last book. >> that's right, yes. >> and subparagraph c., november 2007, more photographs this time outside a coffee house -- >> this one was just i'd taken my youngest daughter out. she was quite excited. we became aware that we were being photographed across the street and someone was with me across the street and the photographer said to chat, please stop. the photographer refused. i don't know whether they got a clear shot of my youngest daughter. i have no idea. they claim that they only saw her legs in the photographs. the justifications that i heard on that occasion was they believed i was wearing a fur coat. i was wearing a wolin coat that

i've never worn in public again. >> the empath on your children, variable to insist the inquiry with some insight to that? >> a particular impact on a given day. my youngest daughter is. said that we didn't get your content because the photographer was clearly not going to do this. he refused in so many words. we had nowhere to go. so we got back and went home again. on a general note, the fence has been unable to leave your house or move freely is obviously prejudicial to a normal family life is certainly all three of my children have been aware of being suddenly pulled behind me or i will split from the family group because i'm aware there's the photographer to.

you take a picture and we all go this way. so there is a general edginess sometimes when you are aware that there are people in the vicinity. sometimes when the right to become jumpy and start thinking a person behaving in a manner might not be at all. but it is a very unnerving feeling to know that you're being watched. >> we might move onto the second topic now, which is privacy of home life. and this is related of course to the issue of personal security, which is then an obvious matter of concern to you. can i deal with the matter is in chronological order?

.. enough to identify the tasks we are talking about so say what happens as a result of this?

>> we requested we were removed those from the web site and so on and i think they could do that. then in july of 2005i think the mayors of of the border now published an article print in the street names and photographs into with before harry potter and the public interest in that one in your concern were shows gorton security which you quite rightly have in place. >> yes, for obvious reasons i don't wish to go into detail but

i'm happy to provide those details if they are relevant but like in the public eye i have on occasion been the target of those individuals and i mention my desire to keep the precise address of the property where i live with my family newspaper said not because i'm being story or precious but it is because on a number of locations they've been involved because of incidents and threats and i think it is reasonable of me what to wish what the papers

would refrain from making my we're about to the very identifiable. clearly i have to live somewhere and we have taken all precautions in this matter of course locally they may know where my house is that they would know a difference between house and where my children's friends know where we lived and anyone who reads a national newspaper being able to find us. >> what happened in this particular case and we will deal with the elements in a moment when the position was that the address was in the public and they could be found on the internet. >> we've taken every step one can to make sure that we are not

the registers that exist online. if that is the justification of the newspapers to be printed in the national press i think that is the justification we've taken every reasonable precaution to set our own privacy. >> than you point out the third line of paragraph 43 continue to disregard as leader published a picture. >> what i am about to say does not apply ethel to the british press but my experience certain sectors of the british press if you protest or make a complaint you can expect some form of

retribution fairly quickly and i thought the fact that in this case it was a picture of my child so quickly after i asked them to not print my address i thought that was spiteful. >> we need a different title, the evening standard. in a 2007 published information and photographs about your home including descriptions of the property, details of the history and details of the location and details of security arrangements and pictures. what was the complaint at least at the legal? >> as my witness statement says they said they had no content of

the matter and again this doesn't apply to the whole of the press, but the attitude seems to be cavalier indifference one does it matter now? to your famous, you're asking for a. >> i think that is the final series on this theme for november 2007 the daily record and on sunday published articles identified the location of your home showing the name of your home, the name of the property and the small town in which you lived in. >> when we complained about this this information was in the pocket domain but they put it into the domain.

what they were effectively saying is you can't come plan we are printing photographs on the address because we've already printed photographs and the address. >> so that is made clear what come is it being put in the public domain the day before -- >> about which we complained. >> therefore it is disingenuous to say for the scottish meal to rely on that argument so we will be clear part of the statement. >> you're right. >> does that disingenuous argument apply to the equal force in the daily record? >> the daily record they agreed to remove the articles from their archive will and they wouldn't publish the information again. >> when there were who

complaints resulting from some of these events, not all of them so we understand the position of going back in july 2005 going back to 2002. your complaint was not killed in part i think we of the adjudication. but when they disagree they said they haven't given enough information to identify the property, and i strongly disagree and indeed it will

people say i know where you live now it was accurate to identify which report so i must disagree with the paper on that matter. >> the reasoning said it was there about the case was upheld the commissioner was satisfied the photograph and the caption contained sufficient information to identify the location of the privacy said that was objectionable because it was too precise but the argument was in relation to the houses it wasn't sufficiently precise and therefore one would have to carry out the inquiry in order to pinpoint the exact location. >> i feel they aren't seeing through. all they need is the papers to provide parcel information a

guided tour to my house, so if each complains he's going to be shut down because the address is not good enough i feel we are all in this position. >> the identification. >> precisely the case. i don't think the pcc is not taking a holistic view of the matter what. >> in relation to the 2007 publications under because your complaints are not of held for the same reason the identification is not specific you look at the four corners of the article of self but you say the answer to that is that other

information which is what they are available some of it has been disseminated itself and it doesn't take too many steps or filling in the pieces. >> when we bought a new house in it in byrd, one i'm sorry it was the previous house it was this precise case they've been talking about the pcc said the levels to identify the location of the house, however, someone i believed a broad sold the article and said but i know exactly the new what house it was and they gave the address so they were able on the basis of what they had read one to put

everything in the public domain, and again i feel will if any weight is given to that or has been given to that when the pcc looks of these matters. >> they put the entire address down to the post code, and i think actually it was done quite innocently by that person might think they were excited to realize the house think it was a young person who did it. the whole address was on the internet within two days and my lawyer was able to contact that person and say please could you delete this and they did. in the meantime how many people had seen the whole address. >> let's understand where you say that boundary lines are.

what do you see is permissible and what is in permissible on this issue? >> i don't see why if this is in the public interest to know exactly where i live clearly i can't put in in visibility quote over my house and myself as a i do not wish to it is not normal for any one to be known ha that is where i would draw lines and i would if i could make one further point as i said i know no doubt in the first house we ever owned because the photographs of the house precisely identified its location and the number on the door and the street name was on the building. so, an image can do as much if not much more damage than even a postal address in print.

>> thank you. now the ferre area and you wish to address is the issue of fair treatment in the press. paragraph 51 you are reporting a wallpaper. do you believe you were the target, is that correct? >> yes it's been made available to me so i know i was a target. >> it was 650 pounds in general

terms it is the nature of the information he had to get a general idea perhaps of the nature of the information but if there's any concern of what doing so. >> i'm happy to say what i know and i say that because he appears to have been making investigations with people regarding people whose names i don't recognize so i don't know what he was asking to track down people related to me for what purpose i couldn't tell you, but guess he seemed to be making a serious increase increase. >> thank you.

>> the substantive response an interest of your evidence you've now seen some sort of response? >> i may need to ask my lawyers for details on this but i believe there is additional one formation to come. >> what i've seen so far. >> as i understand from the documentation i understand it equally to come. so extensive it might affect what i'm thinking about them you can provide the information at some stage. i don't want the details of the broad flanks of the information could be valuable, but only if

you feel it takes me further. >> you give another example of the characteristics mainly someone from the war post office telephone you explaining the package -- >> i recalled while preparing the statement of a blocking the final about one. i realized half way through giving details on was being blackmailed. it was after we moved into the first house we owned and i think the journalists didn't know where i moved to. they did not know my exact address so i received a phone

call from the post office and he said to me i have a package for you, what is your address. i began to speak and then i said you are from the post office. what does it say on the back? >> it's a story a think we heard in your answers from another witness this morning as he said well the mobile phone has been left and in that case the information was provided. secure account has resonance with some evidence we actually heard this morning.

>> we were not married, we just started a relationship, my husband just removed jobs from one hospital to another and fortunately for the black eye is but finton necessarily from my husband was expecting a communication from the tax office so he could adjust his taxes. anyway, he is a busy man at the hospital. he gets the call, takes the call they say we are from the tax office and he gives them everything. he confirmed his address and his pay and he confirmed at least his national insurance number and was the next day or the day after he opened his front door and flashes went off in his face and the pauper roxy had found him so the was a very nice

introduction i should say there was. >> then you touch on phone hacking and the position at the moment. on the basis of information evidence there's nothing to connect you with phone hacking, is the right? are you aware of as much commercial confidence as personal privacy, leaked information on?

i think when now harry potter five as you say and in june of 2003. most people knew from the printers. can you tell me about what happened there? >> i believe not employed gentleman found a copy of harry potter i find that story rather difficult to believe. but there you are. to get prepublication, and know the manuscript was sent a position of the tanker. so we took out i'm not an expert on means but we have a john joe

injunction against another person because we didn't realize how many at this point had been manuscript to prevent publication of the content. >> clear it's down to them, the injunction with sources obtained only with relation to the sunday you have a position there? >> i would need to check with my lawyers on the injunction taken out against whoever may have a copy of the information. i think that is -- >> the subsequent position is it was obtained because i think her advisers did not know of a wit

was offered it was rejected immediately, and in court the judge accepted if it had been off or completely reject it. the up dated question and manuscripts. spearman don't worry. we will be careful about that. it continued in paragraph 60. to read a review of the book was published wish it freely way was

the wave complementing some of the front and they promised not to reveal anything in the book and the book was photographed. so we had to go back to the court to try to fight for the cooperation. to me this is a classic example of the day that i said this from being all journalists that sees opportunities in the situation like this and i felt i was being blackmailed with a really wanted was a photograph of me gratefully receive dean baquet pinsky still manuscript so i was proposing for the book. islamic there's a similar run haven't seen the events but no

one. takeoff and made his opinion to read my opinion as if one chose one prepared to take the stand then i suppose i would say the press has been wary and that on certain issues the most important 1i suppose they are worried because they are aware i can afford to pay into that is sad but i want to see the kind of treatment on occasion that is not favorable to the ordinary

person. so it was a less serious situation because they have seen -- i guess because the scene we could prepare to prepare the books vigorously in 2003. >> thank you. >> move to paragraph 53. >> an article in 2001 or there about a k. i think people might think that is a occurrence. if you are trying, as i am, to make it quite clear that my family life is out of bounds, then the perception that i've

grown with a magazine that is primarily the story this is going to people's houses, hearing personal stories of their private life and i sense no one to do those interviews. that isn't an awful thing to do. it simply happens that isn't something i wish to do. and so, a magazine is i feared within the justification. in a different pay, a different source. >> then you add it off the difficulty with the apology. it took time and you feel they reneged on the agreement you had. >> they were very difficult to deal with on that occasion and they didn't want to admit they

had done what we needed them to do and the policy was minuscule. >> and 60 a claim in defamation. can you tell a little about that, please? >> this was quite horrible because it caused real distress to our own child. the daily express opened an article saying that i have faced an uncertain character. this was highly untrue. the justifications for writing and wallace will doing a book reading a figure with children and i remember these events. i am often asked do you base characters on real people. it was really a throwaway

comment i said humorously the character of lockhart was based on some one. now that's true. this is a long time ago. so i felt quite clean about saying that and identified and no one and i didn't feel like i was doing anything touting and again, this is in the context of speaking to children about the creation of her other books. so, i will relax and not expect what we will pay next which is the article they will be depicting the has the kind of things a person would use a best selling books to visit buy any one. i have to sit with my oldest

daughter because they are talking about her biological father and saying to her this isn't true i would never do this. there is no point of recession it is between the sun and the old man and why is she -- was a horrible conversation to have to have, and of course, as what happens outside of the house is what happens to other children many of whom have read harry potter tell my daughter that her father was the basis for this. and that can't be free called even though children don't seem to be put all that so that information cost real emotional hurt which i'm sure is the difference from the person who wrote it. resulted in an apology. can you tell us anything about the policy for example where i

was printed and signed and what might have been set. >> i know it was small and it certainly didn't -- the original article did. >> [inaudible] sixty-one now i've got 62. could you help us with that one, please? from beginning to end there was an obligation for taking legal action against the man who's right in front. it is untrue and in fact i've never heard of them until the accusation was made against me. >> thank you. another published in the matter

someday and the scottish son concerning the house in town the basic point there is you pay well over what the alleged in order to force to move out early. sprigg the original movie said that when i looked into this house which an actor will force is the memory home now, but by of to the rooms and a vast amount of money to get the owner up instantly because i wish to host in this house it is utterly untrue. we looked around the house in the way any normal person would look around the house they were intended to live in. there was no question of putting money on anyone who made them leave and this relationship who

moved out in an enormous time period because we just moved in so nonsense beginning to end. again some people might think it's not a big deal. first it is depicting me as a person who is unaware of the value of money and uses it which i do not believe to be the case but it's also the new speaker is putting me and my family into the public domain that as an effect on my children who are in the huge perdue weaseled and help your money to the commander throws money at people when houses and this is hurtful stuff

>> a number of apologies but you point dealt before we play to the scottish times and allegations the should deny -- i think it was just how difficult it is. to stop their articles of any nature because no opportunity to correct but also it spreads wild fire your one person already accepted that and that will put you under. that is not true. >> the last matter you cover, paragraph 64 with your agents

for the trees you were going to use can you give a little bit about that matter please? >> this is quite a disaster really. we did receive notice on this occasion that they wish to run an article about what we were talking about and i said i couldn't understand why it was part of interest at all. then they were told they were running an article on the speech she said effective in there and from entel in pass and we've been using it for 5,000 years and i cannot understand why when we said we are not mind it to come let you look at our tree the journalist said honor will see for myself then. i will come to your property.

and the effect was quite aggressive. >> we scooted over an article and finding it hard to difficult to beat to practice. my husband is something there. do you see him. >> what we will do is find that, come back to bit allowing you to deal with that in your own way. what what to do is put your point that news international to the non-name in its pcs hartel and then come back to the summit

have you been shown a copy of the thesis and the times? >> i wasn't aware of anything. >> yeah. will miss you, too. >> thank you very much. >> [inaudible conversations] >> this is a general peace apparently indeed as we can see in the sunday times on the 14th of august this year. garden experts and three

disconnect this and i see myself in this article. the general theme is apparently deval of the garden is to investigate the behavior of every plant and its collection and at bat concern more than 100 species and they are in non-native species and then on the right-hand side, you'll see among those were the fondness that nominee to the plants is to enter several varieties of the homeland listed to include bouck come evergreen native to the mediterranean and southeast england. it's listed as a plant to avoid. so just in there they would create yet there but we are planning to introduce them and i think that's got what's going on

use of a comment. >> it's just ludicrous. i find it ludicrous. i don't recognize this and if i've been involved in the garden clearly i might have overlooked something or they are mistaken. >> i appreciate this is rather difficult. the spokesman for patience and i am not going to ask whether you recognize the name the architecture of them helped in its design rather than scotland said they're happy with the design and selection of species. >> news international's position is that the information was with

what many people say in the final parallel and second that you were not going company and the comments came from the architect three the to the extent i wasn't aware this had appeared in fact i thought they weren't going to run of the optical. i don't really know what to say. >> have you seen this? article until very recent closely. we've now put it together.

rights. as to make the point we get back to, we were covering the ground. there is an article asked your attention and maybe it simply hasn't been barberton the if you got it to consider this and therefore it is not -- >> this came to me very late in the daily mail. it's paabo we something to explore you shouldn't have the opportunity to look at.

i skimmed through it just before by sat down to see if i am happy to talk about it. >> [inaudible] thank you. hang on. in article 12 and a half years ago. in the way that others would wish week to put it. my understanding is they will be studying the first harry, dern book which is 1987 but you are

interest by daily mail than the matters are dealt with not necessarily going to them at all but the article was not published at that time as we can see. are you with me so far. this was published. that would be around the time the picture here is the data is 1999 so that would have been the first published, not the second. >> i shall notice -- you've got harry potter and the -- >> i'm initially told there was a second invest it was a third eye mask to put your publisher

then mailed the daily monona and for that is that right? >> no to the newspaper i was angry. you told me i would be asked this question just shortly before we came, and i have no memory ever of complaining to my publisher news paper. that is not the way that i could conceive. i was good.

there are the more spirited can't see if anyone was. but i would agree about the harm being factual. it's all the information that i would discuss in the early parts of the while racking my brains is personally. in 1999 when this i did tell my publishers i did not wish to do press and the reason for that was have really taken off. the books were selling very, very fast. i don't absolutely love giving interviews. obviously it depends on the saddam stances. and i just felt giving more press felt like overkill so i sent them clean up to say not to

race all marketing campaign and they were free excite of that in the fact i found one interview which. - what seems to happen is that they have published this article when i haven't given the interview of that time. however, i make no complaints about that it may be that they, i never gave instructions for the. you are content to recognize in the public domain that it means your daughter. [inaudible]

[laughter] >> thir beginning to understand where we are toward peace. >> and as to why it was felt appropriate to put it forward to the there was another article. >> i'm having difficulty for is something evidence and -- >> but i know that it's in here. and marched 2003 in the mirror. in the previous draft which is why the australians are referring to. it said he is there at every beckham call and i will support the sunday published. i can't say it worked for me.

you wanted to mention. senator? i had married a doctor and and that most of the surprising partly because. he was someone who was doing a job and my president has now given up his. it hadn't been made to the representatives or czechoslovakia to there has

never been a period he hasn't been or something similar. and this. i felt extremely strongly about this. i should mention this because my husband clearly is not a celebrity and he has no wish to be a celebrity. and again, this story was damaging misinformation. because they thought we would have the marines that from the one hospital he must've to support entirely to be at my back and call come in by mcginn -- one of the reasons to give

evidence here today is are there people that have their dubious pleasure of being married to, someone of interest to the press it. i asked that made me suspicious. it was sending a horrible message out to my cousin's colleague, some of which he might wish to hard. yes, we did receive an apology, but it is the lowercase source of a. my husband decided to give up his work to become house husband to his.

>> and your conclusion, you sum up your position. can i ask a more general question perhaps borne out of your experiences as you have explained. the total is being increased this afternoon. this is not a compositor question. it's an opportunity, that's all. >> i do not have any various ideas. i can only say that i would.

on the way of sanctions to newspapers to -- i think everyone -- i do feel we need a body that has teeth, that can be. when they say prime is the notification which would prevent a significant amount of damage particularly when it is on the tree for people to be fitted to the co become. apart from that, i can't pretend i have a magical. there is the intent if

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