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>> i was a shade under 12 years old growing up in new york city and i got tickets to go madison square garden's to see run tmz. [laughter] and the opening act that night was a group you may have heard of they have not even dropped the album but they put them out there because they were on their label called the beastie boys they came out there they had skills but nobody at madison square garden wanted to hear the beastie boys favor throwing at them to get off the stage people were there two-seat run dmc.

why did i tell you that? [laughter] i am well aware you are here to see run dmc in i am your beastie boys. [laughter] i will keep my comments brief. it is great to me at this museum as we travel around the country with this book we have not just been going to museums and bookstores but to go to 0.to go to every occupation site in the country when we go there is amazing people decades after the 1968 moment and to be so excited for what he has to say. that moment, that image is such an image of to finance, the electric moment of do what you must but i will stand for what i

believe then and i will be bold matter the price i have to pay. no wonder people are still attractive but the issues that they were fighting for at that time racial and economic justice, those are not issues we have achieved at this point* in american history. jon speaks to that very directly at occupy wall street the first time we went there, he stood up at the general assembly and said i am here for you. why? because i am you and 43 years later the fight has not yet dead one -- one. it had a powerful residents for every person there and we are thrilled to be perfectly clear at that moment from 1968 still connects with people so strong but we roche this book to end the historical

whitewash to let people know it was more than just a moment it was the movement. hoare that a moment, it was a movement. we want people to know when the 1960's now only recognize when dr. king is on a commemorative cut by mcdonald's was much more deeper and radical so much so that a galloped into the world of sports that the top athletes in the world were also part of the struggle. look at basketball at that time. best college basketball player? football player? jim brown. , dolly. part of the struggle. of course, a couple years later the emerging as ford's people like billie jean king

it made sense as long as you have the platform you would have to say something about the world. this movement exploded in the world of track and field into the olympic games in the form of the project for human-rights. it was a movement and they had four demands of the intellect stage international olympic committee. that every single american african american track star will not show up. we will not go unless our concerns are match. what a powerful thing that was to say. let's see how the metal counts look without the black athlete. not so good. why should we run in mexico? and the demands and not just beautiful but ahead of their time. their demands, one. so controversial at the time

that now you are like yes? restorer muhammed all the boxing title. they said he is the warrior st. of the black athlete. number two. this is light black african birdies jack. of the apartheid country that we have no place on the olympic field. number three, higher african-american coaches. they were dominated by black athletes and you know, the number of coaches if you try to count them on to hands there was just one. here reopen the consciously stepped into the crosshairs to say avery has to go of the international olympic committee. [applause] for those of you clapping you realize not how just that was but how daring.

he was the head of the ioc the most powerful person in olympics sports but also happened to be a fascist. the percentage of the average yield of 61936 to the hitler germany. a white supremacist somebody who was so out there if rick perry was around he would have been you are crazy. [laughter] and also incredibly powerful and these guys said you have got to go. they came up with the plan for the boycott that fell through. one of the reasons was good, but the ioc caves so for the first time ever we withdrew the application to south africa and the pressure worked. the movement words but the second reason is more complicated. it always comes up talking

about athletes to do something for social justice. they say i have been training my whole life for this whole built momentum for our have to chase the carrot and i cannot give up. the boycott fell through and now people like tommy smith smith, do we just stayed home anyway? rodrigo there directionally represent the movement on the mittelstaedt and? we know what they chose. so before the final race of the 200 meters john carlos and tommie smith got together. but what will we do on the stand? we will wear black close to show our commitment to fighting racism will not wear shoes to showcase the fact we're bringing up the issue of poverty in the african-american community and they cannot afford shoes. we will wear beads around our neck touche caisse the violence of flinching and

john carlos with an incredible breach of protocol decided he would be of there with his jacket un sipc and usa covered by a black t-shirt and said he was doing that as a tribute to his people back home white and black working people he said there appreciation was not appreciated in the u.s. society. they came up with this great idea. of course, there was one thing they had to do first. [laughter] what? they had to wind. that would be a pretty awful story if they came in ninth place. [laughter] to say we brought these beads and gloves for nothing. [laughter] far less inspiring of the story. but here is where john carlos engaged himself as one of the most diastase dazzling feeds the pyrotechnics effort and people should go back to look at the race for you

will see what john carlos did. at the time in my opinion was the fastest person on earth running 100 yards in at under nine seconds for you can testify that is good as a world record 200 meters in under 20 seconds. it was amazing. he kicks off on the race he is thinking i have got to not get the gold about how to pace the race and we're both on the medal stand. you'll see her repeated the break the cardinal rule of sprinting. you have to be like orpheus and never look back. john carlos looking back. looking back. looking back. and orpheus went to hell for it. the giancarlo says spent time in hell with no regrets for about where is the? at one point* he said come

on. stop the guessing. that was for the cameras. [laughter] then he got his leg to kick and crossing first john looked over his left shoulder not his right shoulder there was peter norman from austria and he got the silver and he got the bronze. now there was one other thing that they had to concern themselves with the very real idea that if they got up on the medal stand they could be shot dead on the spot. does that sound unrealistic or hyperbole? that is what it was like for a second to think about dr. martin luther king. robert kennedy, days before the start of the and the big games 1600 students and workers slaughtered in

mexico city. these are things john and tom the new very well. what is somebody takes a shot at us? he says you know, we're trained to listen for the gun. [laughter] and you know, we are fast. we will do the best we can. [laughter] they get up there peter norman at the greatest sprinter in the history of australia chose to wear a patch for a human-rights and he stood with him on that day and continue to stand with them every year for the rest of his life much to his eternal credit even with all kinds of pressure to recant on his actions and they stood up there to raise their fists when the

national and the began and john said, it got so quiet in that stadium you could have heard of frog this on cotton. [laughter] then the of anger started and the then there's the famous shot of their yells at them they paid a terrible price he suffered his kids suffered the fbi tailed him long after he was involved with any movement just to let him know he stepped out of his plays. but that day 1968, i call that might emancipation day because that is the day i truly became free. [applause] but that gets us back to the first question of why.

why so much power and electricity some decades later? widely go to the occupy sites those who are born decades later? it goes back to the sense of looking power in the eye to say i will be free. i will not be broken. i've never forget the night of september 21st win executed troy davis and reroute there in the supreme court there was a young woman there who was working and thought we reduced and troy davis had become an incredible advocate and became a freedom fighter from death row and this woman was so sad to say sometimes i feel the one thing this country cannot abide is a free black man. i think why it is so powerful if you look at

johnson carlos you know, if nothing else at that moment moment, he is free. with that i give you the man himself. john carlos. [applause] us to make you understand why he got to write the book. he is such a great orator now you know, why my pockets always have polls as well. dave zirin. i will give you an overview of who i am and how i came about 70 stores have been written about john carlos so many individuals had and stories that they could tell

and god has put me on a magical roller-coaster i say if i was the downside% to have so many things taking place but as david has been finding out to make a statement to say did giancarlo study about those trees? did he tell you about the edge again strike? forty-eight hours? but in any case, but our intimidated so many people, white people had to use the phrase black power. many people thought that men destruction. blowing up the statue of liberty or ground zero.

nothing about destroying america about rebuilding america to have a new paradigm in terms of the could be about the of the end of the free. the then take the time to evaluate. power, it was an open hand. this encompassed people of color. not only in the united states but dealing with humanity asking them around the world. then use it back to look at these individuals they all have the clear vision as to how things could be better

and one individual steps out to say i need to move the of pebble then i could make a significant change and then he realizes he cannot move the couple by himself. i faint i can move the couple to have no better luck than the other one and they'll get back together to collectively come 21 point* in life we have a problem in society. that we come together to become a very powerful force together we can move not only the couple but amount 10. this is what we were trying to illustrate to society with the right to weighing press that did not like the way my hair looked more my skin look door the way i

talk or walk. plant still, but my god gave it to me. at the same time he gives me the rights as a human being looking at that my friends coming a fuzzy on individual how drugs was dropped upon them how families were broken up and slavery and how they broke up the family is to the north and the south and west indies never to see each other again then somebody said you did was done just. there has to be restitution in. let's create welfare social service modern times. what is welfare what is social-service?

when you divide and break up the family? good to me on a social service and welfare the first thing they would do is look under the bet to see if we see a man slippers are looking in the ashtray for the cigar were in a closet if they see a man's suit or shirt then look at the woman to say it looks like you have the man in the house we will cut off your assistance. so it was to divide and conquer but the deal is this. but the difference is how many of us have the opportunity and realize if they may change we have to make the commitment? a commitment to yourself.

anybody who makes that commitment it is a total commitment not partial. no woman has ever been partially pregnant if you are pregnant or you are not. you are committed or you're not. so those two were dropped upon harlem as a young individual he allows any ethnic group we don't have any gangs running through the streets of our people coming out at night. but what happened with the domesticated workers inside the white folks decided to have a meeting and after was over the next morning they were moving out of dodge. they did not understand at the time why there relieving

but at the same time we did realize it took place because when it was here it was bootleg. the man-made liquor called king kong made see think of pcp and if i drink it i could fly. every day. and then overnight king kong left. been here when, as matt, edgar, came into the neighborhood. nobody in my eight neighborhood had a drug but it appeared there. and the process i began to look at my friends to realize maybe i was blessed because i had a mother and father who kept my family values strong. a father had his own

business my mother used to do her job to clean up the abortion offices and the afterbirth. me and my brother used to go with her. i said you do this? maybe you could go to school to be a nurse. she took me up on it and went to be a nurse. we have a family unit but i notice that most of my friends of not all of them did not have this year net due to the drugs that came overnight. the father of john d. the mother a wino or vice versa. or maybe both of them. we did not have mcdonald's or carl's, jr. or in in out to or and the fast-food places back then. we had an icebox. most of us did not even have

a block of ice but ice cubes that would have to last all week. there is no food in the box. i realized at schools that teachers had no concern rose happening in the house just classifying people as trouble makers but never took the time to be concerned that kids come to school with no love in a household or no food in their ballets and nobody understanding what education was all about because nobody gives a. then i began to look at the guys using these drugs why are you shooting said drugs? did you see what happened to your father? somebody said he is running around with the junky my father came up to me and said if i catch you running with these junkie's again i

brought you into the world and i will take you out. do you understand? i have to find out why they do it. i had to make sure my father never found out why would you shoot these drugs? i went up on the roofline day they were cooking of the goods. why do you do this? one of the old ones looked at me and said you want to know? i remember you you don't mess with us now you look like you have an interest and i will explain to you. i was young like you and i fell in love with the most beautiful woman and we got married and had kids. when i went to get a job to support my family they said

there was no job for me. to look down the street there was no job fair either for, then i went to the nassetta town and said no job because you are not qualified. you have to go to school. i thought he was right so i went to school but they told me i could not qualify to go to school. cannot get into this school or that's cool or any other school but some of them got through in made it. then they came back feeling good an accomplished it was a worthless degree just like they are today. when you sit back to say they pay for that job two or three years ago, we still cannot give you the job. why not? you are over qualified. so he looks at me and says to know what is like to be damned if you do and damned if you don't? mine little girl says steady

it is my birthday next week we buy me the address the promised because they wore a dress every day mommy would be up all night washing and ironing but every girl wanted a pretty new address. you really do get the then new dress? yes. he goes down the hall to look in his pocket there is nothing there but polls. this self-esteem starts to dwindle. then the sun comes home to say i just talk to my teacher who said if i come to school with no tennis shoes i will fail now infringing on my child education. can you get the sneakers?

yes. you goes down the hall again and has a bigger role. now loses more self-esteem now the wife says we have been married 15 years of our anniversary is friday. what will we do? now he has tears in his eyes. yes we will have a good time on friday. knowing that he cannot fill anyone's dreams then he gets to appoint he is so low that when he goes to brush his teeth in the morning he realizes that guy in the mirror does not like himself. god did not intend that that somebody set the stage for him not to like himself. somebody said use these drugs. most of you saw the move the billie holliday. remember this scene when the bus goes through the south? the kkk?

the big cross burning and she was going crazy with this racism they pushed her down but not the racism and bigotry then somebody said take this. it will help you forget it. that is the same thing that happen to all of those individuals that turned into drug fiends. because they are not what god intended for them to be but said they had a fetish to people of color. this is why john carlos took note to say there is no fire men on a fire department. i saw kids in my building the house was not on fire but just a mother nothing on

the stove left it there and the smoke came some people the fire alarm. they went into the apartment four or five bedrooms in the back and they come through and they chop up every piece of furniture in the house and throughout every piece of close onto the main street. remember going in there why did they do that? my father said they do that when there is a fire. , outside. i will show you. show me the fire. nothing is burning. my father looked at me and he knew i have to give my son answers but he is right but he went to the fire

chief five laidback. i knew what the problem was right away. out of sight out of mind. no one was in the fire department representing me. nobody had compassion and to say we cannot do that because they have rights just like you. the chance looking at robin hood anyone in the ghetto of guy called the robin hood. it was the white guy. wearing tights, but i studied this guy. but to have the my danica rich and then the fact that

god's law in man's law. should be concerned about god's law or manslaughter? he chose god's law i am not concerned about the fat cats but all the cats. not because i am a thief but because it is the right thing to do. within the inky stadium used to hit the chain's. i had to be very careful to be diligent for those who help themselves from go where are your kids after three or four days? dow why should go hungry merely because of a color their skin provide wanted to be a swimmer the best in the

road to represent i thought the best nation in a row. i hear the guy say i will swim the english channel. is he getting a check? [laughter] is to get a trophy? why is he doing it? i am the best one in the harlem bathtub. i will be the best swimmer. swimming within knife in their mouth? what happens if they have to go to the restroom? i have to know this. but in the meantime what it took him time to go find it i heard the radio talk about the olympic games for go

what are those? he said that is where the greatest nations of the world give the greatest athletes to come together for physical competition. they want to see who is morrice superior they and -- more superior than the other. how many blacks of america had? he said that. i said great. i will be the first. my father let me go to three years then he said sun, i have to talk to you. i hate to rain on your parade he will never be a summer representing america. why? i thought he had a bug on him and what is the matter? when you go to the white area of the pool as soon as you jump in the water what happens?

it doesn't take a second for you can see all of the white "barron's" that say get out of the water. very. i was confused at the time because they told them to get off the water like something would roll off me and make them look like me so they put suntan lotion and it blew me away. i did not know what to believe. [laughter] so now in the process of going through all of this god put me in touch with a guy i heard on the radio i realized talking to people on the black side of down. he looked like me and my father. i will let my son do the sermon today. and then he was so white

man. that is not his son and he said that is his son. [laughter] no. but he is a white man and he said no. he is black. the difference is that all of them are not changing over because they are ashamed of their race with a change because it won a better standard of life. some could get overzealous. this is a true black man seller realize we have this going on then i heard a guy the radio talking. who was this guy? he was so prolific and his statements who is this guy?

of the videos goes upstream with no hesitation. he comes down to a teacher down there i don't have time for the games i am trying to chase him to find out remember going down 116th street? i don't want to miss nothing but what i heard was secondary because the way he was talking with my young mind his skin was so thin i that he could not be talking like this. that he was proud of who he was but not only that but to let black people know they

should be just as proud of who they are. fight for your dignity of your community. i love that. i go to the meetings every saturday to make a point* tuesday so i could run with him. can i go to your next location? if you can keep up. i had to jog to keep up with him. got called him and he went away closer to do the big games i get of call on the telephone levying a bad situation in school coming of from lenox avenue in new york figure and alcohol together. [laughter] i will help my mother paid to the kitchen and the phone

rings. somebody is on the phone who was to talk to you. and said they're having a meeting down 10 at the americana hotel they want to invite you to the meeting. no problem. i'll check with my mom. >> did he to be there. i walk into the beautiful lobby my mother loved furniture but you have to wait five years before you can sit on it too. [laughter] i walked into the hotel and i see the beautiful sofa and i think i could get this for my mother and i would get it all. them i was at the desk and

they tell me where to go. i go upstairs and knock on the door a guy opens the door and looks at me to invite me and and offers made cookies and soda and say which and i am sitting down the gain some of these people look familiar. i see them on tv but i am not putting the dots together of where i am. then about 25 minutes here comes a living legend the first thing i think is a owe my guide dr. king walks into the room. who would have thought? who sought john carlos to be in the room with dr. king? and when he came in dead come i realized right away

that own the was the civil activist but if he wanted to me on "saturday night live" he would make the money he could crack some jokes and he relaxed me but i am in there with of big boys. if he made this statement, i will come down to support this olympic boycott. i don't want to be in charge in second in command we went on as it had a strategy how we would do. then he said out of nowhere, he received a letter in the mail and it said they had a bullet with his name on it and he would

not have to wait long. then that hit my a brain regret the end of the meeting he said you have any questions? i could not wait to throw my hand for i have a couple of questions. did you ever play basketball or run or box? he said i could not so why would you get involved in the olympic movement? imagine a boat in the middle of the lake everything is calm but you take this rock out what happens? the and i would get the vibrations it will create waves cahal the olympic boycott is that rock. if you were so steadfast the greatest thing is you are not killing anybody are putting anybody down ever. i am choosing to step back

and imagine moen happen if they would step back not going to war would america be as great as it is today? [laughter] he said you have another question? >> yes. another question. you said they had a letter with the bullet with your name on it. why would you go back to memphis? i will pull my shades down. i want to look at his eyes and not through glass. why? why do you think? not to connect kumbaya he told the and i don't have to wait i would be shaky. he was as solid as the rock of gibraltar. not only did he not have any

fear, the the society so much he was ready to give his life. when you look at rosa parks you see the same glove. and my hero john brown when you look in his eyes you see the same love. he they made the ultimate commitment at a partial commitment. john carlos did not make up partial commitment if it was the would not be here 2011. my day is done but not because of the war restarted years ago a long time before 68 that still goes on today. 1968. [applause] i will tell you about the appliance in a minute. they have a time schedule we have to keep up.

1968 set back and think about it. young and idealistic we had a vision and a paradigm how can we make society better? they all died just like they try to move the bubble. dr. king died. ghandi died. rosa parks. because they're out there by themselves. then we said let's get the on individuals together to try and make them understand the all the big movement is 15 minutes in the sun. you have 50 minutes if i say who won them all? you could not tell me. of fisa to use the 100-meter winner you could not tell me.

so be get on the theory i don't know about people boycott teeing the olympics i am treating too hard. i cannot give up my opportunity. and we say all we want to do is have some dialogue to have the exchange of what you can do for that too. >> we get on a hypothetical train going down the tracks now the people are waving god bless america. bring home the gold makes the count high they're all excited now we come to the conclusion we will make this possible. everybody understands will make a better situation and make society better.

everyboby was at the crossroads of life. just like you. now we say we're on the same page to do some thain collectively. now we say we've will do this stop the train those black athletes are anything that is sympathetic to the cause of the vendors down the chain. now all of those yielding eight adp kie yay are gone. why? talk about boycotting the olympic games come not want to hear that. you are supposed to be concerned about america. that is the question in. so now all of the people out there, replace them. replace them with fire bombs and missiles.

43 years they were out there. 43 years we dealt with the bombs and chaos and murder and mayhem. then we say here we are years later and now all of a sudden we are resurrected and now we are the heroes broke mehl they say want to take a picture with year. i deserve to have a brick with my name on it. i say i the view. less than yesterday and more than tomorrow. i am wrapping it up. but i will tell you this. as long as i live i could never let you take the picture with me.

because if i ll myself to do that if i was a kid in school looking for my history somebody will play to watch it. they had nothing there to indicate if i that you get in the picture i well whitewash history. >> to be a favor. open up the shirt show me the bernstein your chest. the burns on your neck or pull up the fans. i don't have any burns. come up here tommie smith show the burns and open your shirt let them see your neck. do you want to see mine? the difference is mr. smith made a total commitment at a

partial commitment. you made a partial commitment to now if you went to come back to society? but now you want to be in the pitcher? tuned never let yourself be in a crossroads of live in be afraid to make the right choice. now i am 66 now the 65 years of my life i knew the theory that we have a tendency to be afraid to defend our presence. you are afraid to offend your presence of i have my foot on your neck you are afraid to tell me get the foot off my neck. i have seen so many do that

in the lead big games in in the educational field they take abuse and jokes for different races to say what you are doing is wrong. they kiefer giving this opportunity to share with you tonight. [applause] everywhere i go. they always want to give me applause. i do not want applies. do understand? they see you do better than the wide but while the 1%? he said you speak so good you could put so much love and sunshine into one individual's hard to.

that is why they applied. i am here to a community but if you feel that you must get in your pocket. [laughter] you like that? >> we do have time if people want to ask questions there are microphones right there. a couple of questions. as john willow run to the bathroom real quick. he did say he is a nursling right now. well people are learning of first of all be gone unnoticed say the book that has been out just about one months is being reprinted

reaching the second printing of ready. [applause] that is wonderful the second piece of news dr. john was on cnn this morning the world's shortest segment ever it lasted two questions before they cut him off because it started off john carlos first of all, we want to talk to about the akamai movements you have been going to you're involved in the black power salute he said stop right there. is not up black power salute human rights for everybody to not call it that. second okay. we want to rescue coming back then in 1968, the paid a price with your metal taken away. stop right there. they never took my battle

away. that is propaganda they are spreading. what is your question? they cut him off. just like that. in the aftermath of that, did spin.com is most the red sport big headline is cnn at awkward interview with john carlos. [laughter] six hours later a call from cnn replays come back on so we can do the interview properly? is the beautiful thing if you get the chance to go on line. plan then the last thing to give lo update there has been a lot of great articles about the buck the york times daily news 11 protester helps to occupy wall street. that was amazing to have the occupy movement have been a

while the book has been out is a beautiful thing. >> where is the black glove. >> those were his gloves. [laughter] remake history to keep the glove. [laughter] so now 43 years later, we don't know where they are. it is it about the glove but the theory of the glove. somebody said put it on e-bay right now. >> i just want to say thank you what you did in 1968 allows me to go from 1971 we report of a social

experiment that you end tommie smith with a have 15 blacks from all over california as far as the g.o.p. program if we were a part of that back then and i am sure a lot of that came from back from 68 but how proud i am a of what you did and open doors for the people like us. you set the stage for us and i dedicated my life i just

want to say thank-you. [applause] >> what is your first name? carlos. [laughter] >> 1968 rose 17. >> budget at that time you know, from recently in late june with the leadership and what was the reason? >> i will tell you.

it is a very important question. first of all,, it was not that they did not let this come but it died, over 30 years what the government to release a confidential information and loss of 30 some odd years fighting them tooth and nail. they had a plan they would kill those students and the plan is to have us come down to join up with those guys and then kill us all and it

would be done. and what you don't know, that they say they killed 50 students. it is a live. now they say 350 students it is a live. it is close at 2,000 students they threw them in the furnace then they put the rest of them put them in the boats and took them to the ocean and dump them. then they ran the other seven to the mountains to say don't come down until the games are over. these and the atrocities people have to fight about did you say why 43 years later half the population has ever heard of this? that is why. george foreman is a very dear friend of mine. waving the flag around in the ring.

he was the head boxing coach. he said i cannot agree with what you did your is disagree but i can say you have to have a way to feed your family. i have a plan. his plan was to give george foreman the flag in the ring. he invited myself, my wife wife, tommie smith and his wife. we were getting ready to go. they said i will make it impossible for you to go. . .

no disrespect for those young students but i say thank god you kept us aware that particular time because i have to be here now talking about just what you are talking about. >> to witness this great teacher in making. >> thank you. [applause] >> yeah, okay. as long as you did that, i'm all right. let me ask you this though,

i have said that and i say that today. relative to the glove, the main concept wyatt told tommy to bring those gloves was because for the first time and they history of the liberal gangs that was the first time they recorded in technicolor worldwide. is going around the world for the first time as well. we wanted them to have no

representing understanding as to who we were representing first. it was not about the black panthers, i didn't have any gloves. relative to what you said, lee is absolutely right. we had a boat on this hypothetical train and when they voted they wanted to go to the games that was left that every man would do what he felt was necessary to do what they would do to get to the olympics. relative to why we got together to do that demonstration, i really think man, based on my religious beliefs, based on that vision that god gave me when i was a kid it was like god rolled up his sleeves to the angels and he said i'm going to handle this one. god rolled up his sleeves and he reached down and took one tommy smith and put it on the table.

reach down another one, john and threw it on the table. you don't all have to do this but you can if you would like to. he protected us. if you sit back and think about the young white guy there, they could've had 16 million guys out there and not one of the 60 million would have had the nerve to step up and do what he did. if you sit back and think about peter norman relative to, let me put it like this. when we got back from the games thomas lived there and i lived there. america lived all over. when he is tired of him let's get carlos and kick his until we get and switch back and forth like a tetherball. our study at that particular time was parallel to south african the views about the human race. they were just as prejudiced

towards the aboriginal people or people of color over there as they were in south africa. peter norman stood on the victory stand. he stood there at attention. he didn't disrespect no-fly, no way, shape or form but merely because he put a but non-is just, i stand for humanity. coupled with the fact that he stood with -- to black individuals. when he went black to -- back to australia there was no trade-off. they went at morning, they went at noon and they went at night. they broke all of our in marriages that. they drove him to drink, drove them to nervous breakdowns and eventually drove to breaking his heart. the australian and -- never let him walk across the field in terms of acknowledgment and not only did they disrespect him, he was the greatest and is still the greatest springer the nation has ever built or thought about

but he never denounced us. he never walked away from us. he never turned his back on us. and he stood fast all the way to his death. 15 million individual whites would have come out there and i don't think none of them would have done what peter norman does but it gives you an indication as to the crossroads we had to deal with in terms of saying we can no longer lobby states. >> something i heard today, one of peter norman to last acts of his life was and people have seen a picture the picture of the statue at san jose state. you will see the silver medal area is empty and when john saw that he was ready to back out of it altogether because he thought it was a disrespect to peter norman and the people of san jose got in touch with peter and peter said do you know what? i am by not being there because

that was a privilege for me to stand there with john and tommy and not many other people can stand there as well that statute. emerson that now because it's a beautiful story and says so much about peter's character but i heard today there is now such a thing as occupy san jose today and where do you think people gather? [laughter] that statue and where do you think they do their general assemblies from? that silver medal stand so that is peter's legacy. [applause] >> it wasn't that simple about peter norman. when i called to ask about the statue, the first thing i said was i don't want no bronze statue with turquoise pigeon running down the side. they said no john this will be a unique statue like something you have never seen before. i said okay. now i got wind that they were building the statute but then when called and said man they are just building u.n. tommy so i said let me get my car and

drive to san jose. when i got there was just like they said, they have dealt the statues and putting the pieces together. what is going on? how come peter statue is not here? peter did not go to san jose state. u.n. tommy graduated from san jose state. we are just concerned about tommy and you. i said no, man, ain't happening. if peter doesn't go there i'm not going there in one of them came up and said john, peter preferred not to be there. i said wait a second. we went straight to the president's office and said hey we need to make a phonecall. i said dr. cap and we need to make a phonecall. he said to where? i said to us tell you. i picked up the phone, but do you americans want now? i said peter, it's carlos. hey john, how are you doing?

man i am kind of disenchanted. what's the matter? i understand you don't want to have your statue built here. he said no, john who told you that? he said let me tell you something john. i love you until the sun comes back and i will still have love for you. manned the only reason why i don't want my statute there is because i didn't do what you and tommy did. he said i supported what you and tommy did. he said man i thought it was only appropriate that i would leave my state blank so anybody that came from anywhere on planet earth i could understand what you guys did and wanted to lend support take a stand there where i stood and take a picture with you guys. now let me tell you something. i love tommy but knowing tommy, tommy would have never done that. [laughter] ever would he have done that. so, i am telling you that i have the utmost respect, admiration

and love for peter long after i leave this world man because he is a true man. >> i just want to say it's been like 10 years since the symposium? i owe you dinner. i am really impressed with the book. i love you and you know who i am now. so after this i will talk with you. >> right on. >> we have time to finish up the line. how many people in the line? one, two, three people. >> dr. carlos a real pleasure and much respect for everything you did. i was 10 at the time. oh, turn on that might. >> you said you were 10? >> at i look like i am your age. i am just teasing. >> i know. i was the youngest sibling in my

family and my older brother and my father were involved in the sdlc. i grew up in d.c. and i felt like i was part of it because they told me everything going on. so loving athletics and being aware of the civil rights movement, you know i was finally attuned to that moment and the way you said dr. can describe who are throwing a rock into a pond that signify perfectly that moment for me. it was like the metaphorical and a liberal punctuation point for the whole civil rights movement. it was so impactful and so meaningful. i just wanted to say that and also a question. one of the things you guys did was to project rhodesia and south africa from participating in the olympics and i don't mean this to sound sarcastic but why didn't you demand that for the united states at the same time? >> why didn't they what? the demand the united states not

be able to participate in the olympic games for the same reason as rhodesia and south africa a? >> actually, first of all it was a concrete demand from the african people struggles in rhodesia and south africa so it was about an international solidarity with the international is the man. it wasn't them coming from the united states and saying we disapprove of rhodesia and south africa are. was identifying with a very real movement in those countries. that is the first thing in the second thing is of course we'll know it's not a level playing field in any country in the society the same which are carlos was not allowed to compete in swimming as we talk about in the book yet in south africa and rhodesia in particular you had racialized olympic teams. you had whole segments of the population is participated in

athletics who are the best sprinters, jumpers what have you were not allowed to be part of the very olympic trials of those countries so it is not to say they are somehow worse than the united states and we all know that time the united states was in vietnam supporting all kinds of things that are absolutely head turning in terms of how terrible it was that it was responding to the very real movements in those countries and very real segregated injustices in terms of how they participated and how they contributed to the olympic movement. >> did you hear it? as long as you herded. come on up here, queen. >> hi. is this on? my name is mariah and i am a citizen journalist and a visual connector and i was wondering how you feel about the way media has changed since the 1960s. >> , on up here. , here. i want them to hear you. it's a great question and everybody should hear it.

>> how do you feel about the way we have changed since 1968? >> how do i feel about the way the media has changed since 1968? at the great question. first of all of me say this. we were competing against the right wing media. anything that we did they change the course of what we did. they told lies to the people and put out propaganda for years like probably 85% of you all here think my medal was taken away. mr. smith's medal was taken away. they knew our medals were not taken away but why did they say it for 43-year-olds -- 43 years? i have a compassion for human and i am concerned about humanity that they train her to go for that carrot, that medal. if she says anything outside the

circle, oh i have got to be careful because they took giancarlo' battle away. they took john smith's medal away. still here we are 43 years later today. i was on cnbc? know, cnn this morning. [laughter] that is what happened at cnn. >> you gave it up? what i was trying to say to this young lady here is the media really has changed. they think if you stand on your own two legs, as i stated to a brother earlier, i am a man with my own eyes and when i stand on my own two feet and express who i am and have no fear for expressing what i feel to be the truce they will pull the plug on you. they can't whitewash you know more because they have live tv now but they can still pull the

plug. it's alright, they can continue to pull the plug and they tell me i am the horse that the tube and that gives you the milk and a lot of people went for that. my philosophy is yeah you are the cow that gives the milk but i am the grass that these fat cow in order to give them the. >> how do i feel about how you talk about your story today? >> i am flabbergasted. i wish i could be a rage against i could live through this in nifty or 60 years. i think i'm one of the most blessed guys in the world to live the life that i live and to have a book written about my life and to have so many people excited about the story reading about my life so yes i am truly blessed and i thank you for asking that question. what is your name again?

>> mariah. >> what is your best subject in school? >> math. >> i thought you said journalism. riding? so is both. i wish you nothing but the best, baby grow. if i can help you, send me a note. [applause] >> if you go back to cnn, how will things be different? >> that is a question you need to ask me at the end. [laughter] i did not pull the plug. they did. that might be what that woman thinks. speaks highly sledge or something, i don't know. the main point is yes john we will be back on cnn and yes they will show more respect because if they don't there are going to be thousands upon thousands of people poised and ready to say oops, you did it again.

[applause] >> item have any misgivings about cnn because i was -- so if i don't do it we will be fine. you only have to have to reach one a day. i don't have to reach the masses in one shot. i will him reach the masses one time and you only have to do it one time. mr. carlos can you put your fist up? i tell them i don't put my fist up no more. why don't you do that nomar? i said you put yours up and i will point to it. they say white viewpoint? [laughter] do you know why i point to it? i point

i am happy being that. at certain times you have to step up and i have stepped up but i have been stepping up from the time i was a little kid. let me tell you something real quick. i had a situation my project. did i talk about this?

let me tell you about this. >> when you started talking you said man those caterpillars and then he went on to another subject. want him to talk about the caterpillars before we go? it's a good story. >> i went to my mother one day a nice my mom, mom we lived in a penthouse in hollywood and we lived on the sixth floor. our apartment was the only apartment up there and my mom would come in from work. she worked nights and she come in the morning and she would never ever come downstairs. she would always sit in the window. my mom was like big bend:00. you can count on her. everyday she was in the window and all the other parents were talking. one day i took no to that and i went to my mother and i said mom how come you never go downstairs and hang out with the mothers down there and talk to them? and i leaned into my mother and i said, are you stuck up? [laughter] when i looked at my mother she said, what did you say?

like the dummy i was, are you stuck up, mom? my mother looked at me with tears in her eyes and she said son, i have never ever thought i was better than anyone and i would never raise my kids to think i was better than anyone. mom, how come you don't go downstairs? she said i work in the hospital in the operating room and this project is invested with caterpillars every summer. it's the gaza strip. at night, we have turned it off and you could hear the caterpillars in eating the leaves up at night. we could hear them munching so that shows you how many there was. she said i can go into the operating room with a rash on my neck because she said you remember when the caterpillars fell out of the tree? anybody know about how fragile they are?

no matter how fragile, you are going to us to them by the time you get your hand to your -- you have a rash on your neck. i said that's right mom, okay. so i took it upon myself. i must have been maybe 14 and i went to the projects. i go straight to the top. i went to the manager to and i said to him, we have got a problem. he looked at me, what do you mean we have a problem? what are you doing in my office? i said it's about this caterpillars. how come you don't ever spray the trees? get out of my office he said. i have a right to hear. i live here. i want to know about these cat at -- caterpillars. you push the panic button on the desk and the next thing i know the cop showed up. get him not appear. i went down there and i said mr. gardner, my mother sent me to get some gas. [inaudible]

i got the big canon out and filled it up. where's the money? i took the can and had a pocket full of matches. i went to the trees and there were four trees in the project, to hear and maybe a 20 or 25 yards between the two on each side so i took the first canon i told the women down there, you guys move out of the lyndon project angled stairs and tell the guys to get out of the pit, don't play ball here today. he is getting ready to do something. i took the gas can and i hit the first tree and took the stick match, hit my zipper, boom it knocked me back. i said okay. i'd took the canon to the next reaganite left across. by the time i got to the third tree they had called the police. the police come and came running up and by the time they came to

me i hit the third tree. they didn't know whether to put the fire out for the first tree. when i hit the fourth tree they dove on me. i thought i might have embarrassed my mother. i knew i embarrassed my family. and then the judge gave me a writ to come to court. i remember my father saying are you going to court? i remember my mother saying i'm not going to court. but there was a method to my madness. the first thing the guy looks at my father and he says mr. carlos is your son have been a mental deficiencies? [laughter] my father said no, not to my knowledge. he said maybe you can explain to me why was your son doing that to those trees? wasn't he concerned about the welfare of these people in the projects? he said, that is a real good question and i would like to know the answer. my son is here, what why do you

ask them? the judge looked at me and said well young man? i said let me just explain. my mother and i had a conversation about why she doesn't come downstairs. my mother explained why she doesn't come down because of the caterpillars. i got to thinking i go up to harborage pool every night in every summer i go out there they spray the white folks trees because we are people of color down here we don't spray our trees. i went to the manager. my mother should have to stay upstairs because they in doing their job. the judge looked at my father and said one of the last time they spray? i was a little boy was the last time they spray. he looked to the manager and said come up here. do you have your records with you? no your honor i don't have them. this is a good time to take a recess. when you come back from lunch, you make sure you bring your records back with you. the judge was a smart judge because he told that they love what i want you to do is call

the new york city housing authority and have someone bring the records down here. do you have your father would do? he had a plain piece of paper is thin of this napkin. that's all you have? your honor my secretary was not in and this was all i could find. he said does anyone in the audience here from the housing authority? imagine this state of shock when this dude came up with a bundle of papers. he looked at him and he said well how is it that the project can receive money -- spring the trees? for the last 15 years they receive stipends. for the last 15 years? how often have a sprayed in the last 15 years? the man looked at him and he said 15 years. they wrote that they sprayed every year for the last 15 and they took take that money. so now from johnny carlos being the fool of the neighborhood,

now it looks like i'm ready to be the hero of the neighborhood. the judge looked at the man, the guy from downtown and he said come with me. they are fired him right there in the court. my father looks at me and the judge looked at me and the judge looked at my father and he said well mr. carlos he should be proud of your son. more so because he had the concern of the people at heart. he asked them to get out of the way and you should be really proud of him for racing the fact that he looked out for your mom, for your wife, for his mother. okay now we are leaving the courtroom, case over. my father got me in the hall and he said son, you have done a lot of things in your life. he said i got that a lot of days but i will tell you one thing i have never seen you back down. he said i've never seen you back down. you took every whipping. he said when you were a baby baby and i used to whip you nothing changed and i remember

how i with you and you became too -- onion into whippings but when the dust settled every time i with you come to find out that you were right all the time but you never said it to me. now you come here into one of the most egregious things in our family history. [laughter] he says but, the judge told you what you did was right. he said son i can never tell you how proud i was to hear the judge say that but greater than that he said i want to apologize for the whippings i gave you and i want you to know i have yet must respect for you. do you know what it is for it kid 14-year-olds to hear his daddy say i respect you? that when a long way. that was like taking fuel and putting it in a locomotive so everybody has to watch out now. [laughter] it's about making of pride about the consequence. i could tell you the story about this chicken.

well, read the book. [laughter] [applause] >> thank you also much for being here. we will meet you at the signing out there. [applause] >> it's a policy not to discussf thisil some while i'm making thm for all the obvious reasons. on >> are you currently working on one? >> maybe. i don't come i don't talk about it. they just appear and when theypw

appear they appear. it is not in the best interest of the film to give a heads up. you know? before i made "sicko" i made the mistake of saying i was making a film about the health care industry and the health care industry went on high alert and the pharmaceutical companies went on real high alert and even though the film wasn't going to be about them, it was about health insurance, they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars preparing for me and i would give all of these internal memos sent to me from people at work -- that work at different pharmaceutical companies, saying we had an inservice today and they hired a michael moore actor to come in and do role playing with us, if he shows up at the building, this is how you handle him and pfizer had a michael moore hotline and it says in the memo. and if i show up at a regional office around the country, call this number in new york and they

went to... an executive at cigna health insurance company and he talked about hundreds -- millions of dollars they spent hoping to discredit me and attack me and if necessary figuratively, not literally, i hope, push me off a cliff. so i learned my lesson there. it is not a good idea to give them advanced notice what i'm working on. >> and book tv interviewed wendell potter on his book, if you want to see that go to booktv.org and use the search function in the upper left-hand corner. this question: as an iran-american, i am worried about worries you may be planning a trip to iran and the press said you were invited to come to iran and you have accepted and they would consider that a coup if it happens.

>> i have been in invited for many years and "bowling for columbine" won the top prize at a film festival in iran and the prize was a beautiful persian rug they sent me. no. i'm not going to iran to the film festival. i don't know if it is really... you know, the thing is, with iran, i have been active in the last year or two, they've had a couple of filmmakers, essentially have been under house arrest, and i have been active with other filmmakers in the country to convince them iranian government to leave them alone and let them make their films and iranian filmmakers, they have the greatest filmmakers, if you have a chance to see an iranian film, they are really, really good and it is definitely a country that loves

the movies and i think we saw through the green movement here a year or two ago, there are huge -- a huge sentiment in the country to be free of the dictates of those who would want to run the country. iran is a democracy on a certain level. they actually do have free elections, anyone can run, and there have been a couple documentaries i've seen that are incredible things and they're not -- i try to avoid any sort of evil act, axis of evil discussion because i know that there are people in our government, now that we've had our way with iraq, want to move on to the next bogeyman and iran seems to be it. and there are certain forces that want us to now go to war or bomb iran, things like that. and i try to avoid any kind of -- i don't want to be associated

with anything to do with my government attacking anybody else again on this planet. so i think we leave to it iranian people and i think they are going to stand up and get the country they want. and i'm hopeful for that. >> this is michael moore's most recent book, "here comes trouble." stories from my life. john in portland, oregon. you're on the air. >> caller: hey, michael. i've seen a few of your propaganda films over the years, and, i've noticed that you try to edit things so people think something happened when it didn't. and i wanted to specifically ask about fahrenheit 911. you have a section where you are asking congressmen to send their kids to iraq and one congressman, republican congressman said he had two nephews in afghanistan and you edited it so it doesn't respond and looks like he has no response and walks off. and, that is not what happened and i want to know why you didn't include his actual

response if you are supposed to be a documentarian. >> thank you for that question. first of all, in that particular scene i had him a specific question and, i asked it of every congressman i ran into, republican or democrat. would you send your son, your son or daughter, to iraq and he wouldn't answer the question and instead, he tried to -- and a number of others did, too, oh, i have a nephew, i have an uncle or a cousin or... i have somebody down the block, that is in iraq right now. and no, i don't think you understand my question. would you send your son or your daughter, not your sister's son or daughter, your son or your daughter, and he wouldn't answer the question. they don't want to answer that question, because at the time when i made the film, "fahrenheit 911" there was only one member of congress who actually had a son or daughter

in iraq. and i just thought, wow that is interesting, there are 535 members of congress. majority of them voted for the war. but they don't seem to want to be willing to sacrifice someone from their own family. send kids from the other family, those who live on the other side of the tracks, let them go do it. that was the point of that and he was giving me a dodge answer, and saying he had a relative over there and that wasn't my question. and i still think it is a relevant question. if you are going to vote for war, would you be willing to send your son and daughter and, i will tell you, i was over... i had not seen a world war ii memorial until yesterday and i went over there, and when you walk in, on the first stone as you walk into the memorial, it

says, world war ii memorial, big letters and big letter under it it says, george bush and it shocked me for a second and i think, oh, because he was president when it opened but i'm thinking, i don't see that on the washington monument, who was president when that opened and a plaque on the jefferson memorial. you know, who was president when it opened. what is his name -- his name, specifically, doing on world war ii? here's the guy who supported the vietnam war, but wouldn't go. i mean, at least with clinton, he dodged it, too but he was opposed to the war and that is a consistent position. he didn't like the war and didn't want to go. i get that. okay. but, bush, he was for the war back then, and thought other people should go, not him. so he gets -- strings are pulled and he's in the national guard and his name is on the very first stone as you enter the world war ii memorial?

a war my uncle died in, 405,000 americans died in, and your name is on this? i'm like, you know, it took me back to the question about, you know, yes, they are really good at supporting war, getting us into wars, but if they had to die or their kid had to die, no, i don't know about that. but, somebody else's kid... just abhorrent to me. >> there's a story in "here comes trouble" about your father and his world war ii experience and there's a story in there about you taking a trial run to canada. >> my dad was in the first marine division, world war ii. and he was in many of those island battles right on the beaches, horrific stuff and i tell one story about christmas day, 1943 where he was in a battle in new britain, part of

new guinea, and it was an incident where -- a friendly fire incident and he and his unit had taken a hill and the american plane is coming in and -- american planes coming in thought they were japanese on the hill and strafed the hill and every guy in my dad's unit was shot, one was killed and 13 were wounded and everyone was shot but my dad, only one who wasn't shot by the low-flying american planes coming in thinking they were japanese. and he told me, you know, growing up, every christmas day, he remembers, he's grateful, was grateful for being alive, somehow he survived that incident. and i until the longer story in the book. my incident with -- of course i was opposed to the vietnam war as i said earlier and as i became near draft age i think what will i do? i'm not going to kill vietnamese

and i and buddies decided, we were like i don't know 16, 17 years old, we weren't going to go to jail. we weren't going to go do service in some other service, you could do that for the government. we decided we were going to move to canada if we had to and so we knew nothing about canada and one day took a car and boat over to port huron, michigan to do a dry run and see how we'd escape to canada and we got over there and forgot the motor to the boat. so we couldn't take it and wee we decided to try and cake the car acro -- take the car across the bridge and, the other guys were smoking a joints so they could relax and i didn't do drugs and i was the designated driver and tell the story about getting across the blue water bridge and into canada and our great escape and of course the next year

there was a draft lottery and i number came up like 273 and i wasn't drafted. >> richard, richmond, virginia. thanks for holding, our on with author michael moore. >> caller: mr. moore, an absolute pleasure to speak with you today. how are you doing, sir. >> thank you, sir. i'm doing well. >> caller: i have a question to ask. i contacted my local american cancer society concerning an event they'll be holding and i suffer from a brain injury and other illness and i'm -- your piece on "sicko" was absolutely beautiful. i loved it. beautiful. my question, sir, is how do i approach or how would i go about approaching the american cancer society concerning a study they

did in 1974 with thc shrinking tumors in mice and them not wanting to go that direction? >> i do have memory of something about that. i can't speak to it. i will say this. thc which is an active ingredient in marijuana, you know, our drug laws in this country, i mean, this is another whole show. are just out of whack and things like that, where medical marijuana and things -- people have been trying to use to help people and years from now, historians will look back at this era and wonder why we did so many of the things that we do. i would say, for you and i get questions like this all the time

actually from people, you know, have seen my movie and need help. because of the medical problem. or their hmo will not pay for them to see a specialist and remember, these insurance companies want to provide as little care as possible because that is how they make a profit. and so i would say to you, sir, definitely, get behind -- there's organizations that are trying to free up the studies, use these drugs, there are people who have been fighting, the fda for a long time because they take so long when treatments that are being used in europe and other places are not being used here. but, remember, the fda, of course is controlled by the lobbyists of the pharmaceutical companies and others who have a vested interest in making a profit and in "sicko" i told the story of