the book. >> i see. so this is the book she's connected with. >> yes, yes. katherine hooper is the person who showed up at my reading in 2009, and she was instrumental in giving me access to this family, actually. um, you know, the family was completely muzzled, quiet, not speaking to any press whatsoever. um, i was really the first person that they spoke to, and that was the result of my interactions with katherine. >> [inaudible] >> question? >> [inaudible] i'm just, i was curious as you explored this story how did you, did it change how you thought about your own father? because i read your other book, and that was so great. um, and i'm just wondering what the tie is between the two. >> that's such a great question. um, you know, i have not spoken to my father -- my father hasn't spoken to me, i should say, since 2003.

when i first wrote a piece for esquire about what i found out about my father. i wrote that piece anonymously, and that led to a graphic memoir that i wrote and illustrated. and, you know, i, of course, it's a process going through an estrangement with a parent, a separation, a betrayal. and in the beginning, you know, i had all of these feelings about my mother and my feelings about my father, and what was really interesting for me was to sort of watch them at the beginning of that process themselves to see how much anger, you know, andrew has against his father, to see how much anger he had against his mother which is starting to abate, you know, through the process of time, talking with her, hearing what she went through during this whole thing because andrew and his brother left after the confession and didn't speak to their parents again until mark killed himself, you know? so andrew had no contact with his mother for two years. and so to watch him do that put my own story into perspective, and while, you know, i'm -- the anger towards my father has long

since abated and i would speak to my father if he wanted to speak to me, you know, i feel like it's a process, and i'm seven years into the process, and andrew's right at the beginning of it. so, you know, i've been able to sort of talk to him about what my experience was, but you just have to go through it, and it takes time. so -- anyone have any other questions? no? okay. well, thank you very much for having me. [applause] >> for more information visit the author's web site, lauriesandell.com. >> visit booktv.org to watch any of the programs you see here online. type the author or book title in the search bar on the upper left side of the page and click search. you can also share anything you see on booktv.org easily by clicking share on the upper left

side of the page and selecting the format. booktv streams live online for 48 hours every weekend with top nonfiction books and authors. booktv.org. >> up next on booktv, jeremy rifkin suggests that internet technology and renewable energy could lead the way for a new industrial revolution in the u.s. and help the country regain it economic foothold in the world. he speaks for about an hour. >> good evening, everyone. thank you for coming out tonight. we've had two seminal events in the last three years which i believe signal the end game for the great industrial revolution based on fossil fuels. the first event, july 2008. you recall that month. oil hit $147 a barrel on world

markets, and the prices for all things from grocery to gasoline went through the roof. purchasing power plummeted. and the entire economic engine of the industrial revolution shut down in july 2008 at $147 a barrel. that was the economic earthquake. the collapse of the financial markets 60 days later was the aftershock. my colleagues in governments and a lot of industry around the world are still dealing with the aftershock and haven't got to enough of the crisis. and until we understand this crisis, we're not going to be able to find a way out and create new solutions for society. we have hit peak globalization. we now are in an end game. we now know the outer limits of how far we can globalize this world based on fossil fuels. it's about 145-150 a barrel, and it'll keep shutting down. the reason we have hit this dangerous end game is because

the whole world relies on fossil fuels. we grow our food in petrochemical fertilizers and pesticides. all of our construction materials from plastic to cement are based on fossil fuels. virtually all of our pharmaceutical products are made from fossil fuels. our synthetic fiber, our power, our transport, our heat, our light, we have built a great short-lived civilization based on digging up the burial grounds of the carbon presage. this is a carbon-based civilization. so in 2007 when all started to go -- when oil started to go over 80 a barrel, something interesting happened. all the other prices across the supply chain went up. at $120 a barrel, we had food riots in 32 countries because 40% of the human race today lives on $2 a day or less, and when the price of wheat, barley, rye and rice were doubling and tripling because of the oil

costs, we had a billion people in harm's way. and the united nations' food and agricultural organization was worried about the prospect of mass hunger and starvation. the reason this is happening is because we've reached peak oil per capita and peak oil production. they're related. peak oil per capita actually happened in 1979. bp did the study, there's been many studies collaborating this sense. had we distributed all the crude oil that we had in 1979 to everyone living on the planet at that moment in time and we shared it, the most each person could have. we found more oil since then. but population rose quicker. so if we distributed all the crude oil we have now to 6.8 billion people, there's simplyless to go around. adding to this, we now have hit peak oil production. peak oil production's a geological term. it's when half the oil reserves

are used up on the classic hubert bell curve in geology. when half those reserves are used up, it's over because you cannot afford the price on the downside of that curve. there's been a lot of controversy about peak oil, but last year the international energy agency which we rely on in the world for the statistics on oil, they put this to rest. and they announced that we probably peaked on global oil production in 2006 at 70 million barrels a day. we'll plateau down to 69 million barrels a day for the next 20 years. but listen to this. it's going to cost us $7 trillion to get the remaining oil out. so you'll recall after the economic engine shut down in 2008, the economy stopped and oil went down to $30 a barrel because there was no economic activity. as soon as we started replenishing inventories in 2010, oil shot up to 100 again, prices went up across the supply

chain and purchasing power is now plummeting. why? when india and china made a bid in the last 15 years to bring one-third of the human race into the game at an 8, 10, 12% growth rate, the aggregate demand against that crude oil supply was just too great. and so we're now moving toward a second collapse. 2010-'11, we replenished inventories, oil prices go over $80 a barrel, all the other prices are going up from grocery to pharmaceutical products to construction materials. purchasing power is now going down again, and we're on the verge of a collapse. what i'm saying is this: every time we try to regrow the economy at the same rate we were growing before 2008, we will see oil go up, everything else will go up, purchasing power will shut down, and it'll collapse again. this is a wild gyration. we're going to see four-year cycles of growth/collapse,

growth/collapse. try to start the engine, shut it down. this is going to go on for the next 25 years. and it's no wonder many of my colleagues and the economists, they don't want to deal with this. because we'd have to have a very serious wake-up call on where we're headed as a species. and as a civilization. so peak globalization, 147 a barrel. the second major event, copenhagen, december 2009. our world leaders from 192 countries assemble, and their mission is to address climate change, the entropy bill for the industrial age. this is not a metaphor. the first and second industrial revolution we used massive amounts of carbon. we spewed massive amounts of co2 into is the atmosphere, and the short and long of it is now we have so much co2 up there and nitrous oxide and methane it's blocking the atmosphere.

so when the sun's heat hits the earth, the heat tries to radiate back off the planet, it hits all those co2 molecules, and it forces it back down. how bad is it? it's much worse than we're being told. in 2007 our scientists in the u.n. panel on climate change issued their long-awaited assessment report. i was in paris, it was published in paris. president chirac asked me to come to address the question what does the world economy do now. and the first thing i had to say to the world leaders there is that i had gotten it wrong for 30 years which is not an easy acknowledgment. while i wrote about climate change in 1980 in a book you may recall, you older folks, called "entropy," and we worked for 25 years to address this in public policy, i continued to underestimate the speed of climate change. because it's so difficult to wrap our minds around the feedback loops, and that's what easterfying us now.

so our scientists say we may have a three degree celsius rise on temperature in this century, now that's looking optimistic. it could go much higher. but to put this into perspective for the parents here, if we go up three degrees in this century, it takes us back to the temperature on earth three million years ago in the plea seen. it's all about the water cycle. it's all about the hydrology of the planet. for every one degree centigrade that the temperature rises on this earth, the atmosphere absorbs 7% more precipitation from the ground. i just sucks up that precipitation. so that means the whole water cycle of the earth is thrown off kilter. more floods, more droughts, more wildfires, more extremewet patterns, and that's exactly what's going on. and now we're seeing a dramatic impact on agriculture and infrastructure from extreme weather. the ecosystems cannot catch up to this shift in the hydrological and water cycle.

they just can't do it in such a short period of time. so how bad is it? i advised the european union, we went to copenhagen, we were hoping to talk the world into mitigating climate change at 450 parts carbon per million by 2050 with the thought we'd go up two degrees. devastating, but we might survive. no other country even wanted to play our game. but then james hanson threw a cirve -- curve on us. he's the head of the nasa goddard state institute, and he said if you mitigate at 450 parts carbon per million by 2050, the geological record shows you don't go up two degrees, we go up six degrees celsius in this century. and this is a paraphrase. the end of human civilization as we've come to know it. as my wife says, we're sleepwalking as a species. we're in deep denial. and so our world leaders in

copenhagen couldn't cut the deal. the entire proceedings broke up into acrimony. it was shameful. and yet this was the most important decision that the human race ever had to make. a climate change, climate change arrangement that would allow us to address this enormous change in the temperature of this planet. so we've hit peak globalization at 147 a barrel. every time we try to regrow the economy, we're going to have growth/collapse, growth/collapse. we could go to dirtier fossil fuels, heavy oil and coal and shale gas, that's more co2. how much co2 can we put up there? so what do we do? we need a new economic vision, we need a new economic game plan. it has to be comprehensive, it has to be compelling, it has to be deliverable, it has to move as quickly in the developing world as a developed world.

it has to get us off carbon in less than 40 years. so the question we need to ask, how do the great economic revolutions in history occur, because that's going to give us a little road map for the kind of economic vision and game plan we have to set out for ourselves. the great economic revolutions in history occur when two things happen. first, when we humans change the way we organize the energy of this planet, and we've had various energy regimes through history. new energy regimes make possible more complex civilizations because that new energy flow allows us to annihilate time and space, bring more people together, differentiate skills, integrate them in bigger commercial units so we can engage in social life in more complex ways. when new energy regimes make possible more complex civilizations, they require another revolution, a communication revolution to manage them.

when communication revolutions converge and merge with energy revolutions, they change history. they even change consciousness. in the 19th century, print technology became very cheap because we introduced steam into print technology, liner type and rotary presses. so we could mass produce print very cheaply. then we introduced public schools in the europe and america in the 19th century, and we created a print-literate work force with the cognitive skills to manage a coal and steam-power-driven first industrial revolution. we could not have managed it with an illiterate work force. they needed literacy and communication skills. in the 20th century, we had another convergence of communication energy, a second industrial revolution. centralized electricity, the telegraph and telephone. then later radio and television became the communication media to manage and market the complexities of a dispersed

auto/oil/suburban era and a mass consumer culture. now the revolutions are clearly sunsetting. oil, coal, gas, uranium are sunset energies, they've matured. the technologies based on those energies like the internal combustion engine are exhausted. they have no longer an s curve as we say in the business community. and the infrastructure based on carbon is completely on life sport at this moment in time. when chancellor merkle became chancellor of germany, she asked me to come to her country in the first few weeks of her administration. now remember, germany was the leading exporter power in the world, now it vies with china. strong economy, strongest economy, if you will, in the west. but she asked me to come and ask the question how do we grow the german economy in the 31st century -- 21st century. the first question i asked the chancellor when i got there, madam chancellor, how do you

grow the local economy or the global economy in the last stages of an energy era? this is a good question for the united states. how are we actually going to regrow this economy with old energies that are sunsetting, technologies that are exhausted and structure on life support? on the horizon a third industrial revolution. it's just now beginning to emerge in europe in the last 24 months. we've had a very powerful communication revolution in the last 20 years, the internet. and what's so interesting about the internet is this new communication revolution is so different than the one i grew up on on the 20th century. i grew up on centralized communication electricity like the television. radio. this internet revolution is quite different because it's a communication revolution that's designed to be distributed, collaborative, and it scales laterally.

so today the 2.3 billion people, and we did this in 20 years, 2.3 billion people have a little desktop computer or a cell phone right now, and at any moment of the day they can send their own video, audio and text to all the other two billion people at the same time, at the speed of light with more power than all the centralized television networks of the 20th century. tell me we're not a creative and very social creature. we did this in 20 years. this internet revolution that's distributed, collaborative and lateral is just now merging with a new energy regime that by nature is distributed and meant to be collaborative and scales laterally. and we're moving to distributed energies. now, what are distributed energies? let me compare them to elite energies that we're so familiar with. coal, oil, gas and uranium are elite energies. simply because if you go home tonight, chances are pretty good

you don't have them in your backyard. they're only found in if a few places. they require huge military investments to secure them, huge geopolitical investments to manage them and massive infusions of capital to organize them. distributed energies are energies, on the other hand, that are found in every square inch of this planet. the sun shines all over this earth every day. the wind blows across this planet every single day. underneath the ground where we tread there's a hot geothermal core of heat. if we live in rural areas, we have agricultural and forestry waste that can be converted to energy. wherever we have garbage, we can decompose it and turn it back to energy. if we live in the coastal areas, most of our urban populations do, the ocean tides and waves are coming in every day. distributed energies are found in some frequency and proportion in every square inch of this biosphere. we have enough energy until

kingdom comes. the european union has committed itself to laying down a five-pillar infrastructure for a powerful third industrial revolution that's going to create millions and millions and millions of jobs at the get go, and it's going to create thousands of new businesses, and it's going to transform society, it's going to shift power relations fundamentally from pyramid call power to lateral power. this five-pillar infrastructure revolution was formally endorsed by the european parliament in june of 2007. i was privileged to develop this plan for the e.u.. it's now working it way through the european union commission, the member states, and germany's leading. really leading quickly. pillar one, the e.u. has committed itself to 20% renewable energy by 2020. that's not a suggestion, that's a mandate. every community, every country has to reach that target. so pillar one, distributed

renewable energies. pillar two, how do we collect these energies? now, our first thought, interestingly, was, well, that's easy. the mediterranean has all the sun, so we'll go town there, put in some big concentrated solar parks, put in a high voltage line and ship it out to everybody else. the irish have the wind, the norwegians have the hydro. we'll concentrate it, ship anytime a high voltage line. end of story. now, we don't oppose some concentrated solar and wind parks and geothermal parks and even some hydro. they're essential to get us off carbon, but not sufficient, and they're a small, small part of the third industrial revolution. what we realized a few years ago in brussels is that we were using 20th century thinking based on fossil fuels and uranium. they're only found in a few places, you concentrate them and send them out their merry way. so we begin to ask a question that you're going to smile at because it seems naively simple now. we started to ask the question,

if renewable energies are distributed and found in every square inch of the planet, why in heaven's name are we only collecting them in a few central points? this led us to pillar two; buildings. the number one use of energy on this planet is our buildings. and it also creates the most climate change. the number two cause of climate change is beef production and consumption related to animal husbandry. i always mention it because not a single leader in 192 countries has made a single statement about the number two cause of climate change. even al gore is reluctant to talk about it. number three is worldwide transport. but number one is buildings. we have 191 million buildings in the european unions, homes, offices and factories. the mission is to convert every single building in the european union to a green micro-power plant in the next 40 years, and that is get the efficiencies up because that has to be number one.

we want to make sure the buildings don't leak, they're efficient, they're retrofitted, and then we're going to convert them to power plants. solar photovoltaic power plants on the roof, collect the geothermal heat under the ground, decompose your garbage back into biomass and energy, the works. the new buildings that have just come up in europe this year, they're actually positive power. they're so architecturally advanced, they collect enough energy on site so they not only can provide for all their own needs, they can send power back to the grid. those buildings are up. this jump-starts the economy. this creates millions and millions of jobs and thousands and thousands of small and medium-sized enterprises to contract for those working assignments. we have to convert the entire infrastructure, the whole building stock of the european continent. that's 40 years of local jobs, local businesses, local income, and it starts to lay down the

infrastructure for this third industrial revolution. pillar one, renewable energiesful pillar two, we load them in buildings. pillar three, how do we store this energy? that's a problem. the sun isn't always shining. the wind isn't always blowing. sometimes the wind blows at night, but you need the electricity during the day. even water, even dams can be down with the water tables with brought, and you don't have your hydroelectricity. these are intermittent energies, so we have to find a way to store them. in the european union, we're in favor of all storage; water pumping, batteries, fly wheels, capacitors, put 'em all in. but we also think that the centerpiece of storage is going to be hydrogen. universal element, the basic element in existence, the lightest element. it carries other energies, and the interesting thing about high to general, it's modular. you can put it in small homes or in huge utility infrastructure.

it can take the load. so the european union's committed eight billion euros last year of public/private monies to put hydrogen storage across europe. so here's how it works. in your house or your small business, you have a solar photovoltaic power plant on your roof. you generate electricity from the sun. if you don't need all of that, you take some of the surplus electricity and simply put it in water like high school chemistry. the hydrogen comes out of the water, you put it in a tank. when the sun's not shining on your roof, you simply convert the hydrogen back to electricity. a very tiny thermodynamic loss compared to bringing fossil fuels from the well or the site all the way to us. pillar four, this is where the communication revolution, the internet, converges with the new contributed energies to create a nervous system for the new infrastructure. we take off-the-shelf internet technology, and we're going to take the power lines, the transmission grid of europe and

convert it over the next 15 years to an energy internet that acts exactly like the internet. so that when millions and millions and millions of buildings are producing just a little bit of their own energy on site, green energy, they can store it in hydrogen like we store media in digital, and then if you don't need some of that electricity at any given moment, your software can be programmed to sell that energy all the way across europe and the irish sea to the doorsteps of russia. just like we now create our own information, store it in digital, share it online in virtual space. pillar five, plug-in transportation logistics so we can operate an economy and society. electric vehicles are out this year, fuel cell hydrogen vehicles are out in mass production in 2014; daimler, gm, toyota. this is a done deal. we'll be able to plug in our cars, buses and trucks anywhere in the infrastructure where there's buildings, and we can collect green electricity.

and then anywhere we travel there's going to be thousands and thousands of little power charging units, and they're already coming in, so you can plug your vehicle back in to the unit, to the distributed grid and either get electricity from the grid or, if price is right, your computer in your car will say, hey, sell back. you're going to make money. sell back to the grid. these five pillars together are the new mega technology platform for a 2 21st century paradigm shift and a third industrial revolution. individually, stand-alone they're just components. it's the synergies that happen when you begin to phase in all the pillars together that create the new multiplier effects for a new economic era in history. i'll share this with you, we made a few mistakes. one pillar was starting to get ahead of the other, and we were starting to lose the

possibilities. this last fall the european commission issued a memorandum saying, uh-oh, we need a trillion euros for the energy internet now, in the next nine years. why? countries put in feed-in tariffs across europe. feed-in tariffs, here's how they work. you raise the electricity bill for consumers so slight you don't even note it on your bill. but the funds that you collect are then used so early adopters who want to put wind or photovoltaic or geothermal heat in can do that and then get premium for sending their energy back to the grid. they get more money than the norm electricity. so we put in these feed-in tariffs across europe and in germany especially, created hundreds of thousands of job overnight. but what's happening now is everyone's trying to feed in their green electricity to the grid. the grid can't accept the electricity easily because the grid is 60 years old, unidirectional, it's leaking 20%

of the electricity just across the transmission line. it's a disgrace. but then we realize we have another problem. some of our regions had become so successful that they're 20, 30, 40% green electricity. 70% in a couple places. so what's happening is that because there's no high to general story in, we're losing three out of four kilowatts. in other words, the wind's blowing at night, we need it during the day, we lose the electricity. so now we realize we have to ratchet up pillar three. then we realized we weren't incentivizing pillar two for the little guys, the buildings. the big infrastructure, the big companies, they were getting their facilities transformed into power plants, but what about a homeowner or a small business? how do they afford 25,000 euros to put a photovoltaic power plant on their roof? well, now we've gotten to that.

the banks have come together in the germany and italy. and listen to this, if you've spent time in italy, you know it's pretty bureaucratic, right? the banks have come together, and if you are a homeowner, you sign a little loan paper, and you get a green loan with a low discount rate. 60 days later you have a 25,000-euro photovoltaic power plant on your roof. why are the banks willing to do this? they check your electricity bill, and they can tell in advance how much electricity you will save over the period of time of the loan, and they know you're going to pay back, so it's called pay as you save. ..

for 30 years we could not answer this question, and now we can. it was brought to us here in silicon valley when a couple of young researchers were trying to figure out how to of monitor radio waves in the universe. they wanted to see if there was any intelligence life out there, which is kind of strange spending time doing that when we are killing of the intelligent life here without abandon. [laughter] and looked it realized, centralized super computers cannot monitor the entire universe, so they can love with the idea of creating software to connect thousand millions of little teeny desktop computers, and with the text of a software

the distributed computing power dwarfs anything you can imagine of centralized super computers. great idea is the cutting edge of itn being used in industry, and now we can take it to electricity and transmission. and millions and millions of buildings are collecting a little bit of electricity, store hydrogen, and sharing:00 intelligence energy networks, the power of distributed energy source of these little centralized the nuclear colt fire power plants, but this is sustainable and works with the rhythms of the planet. this is power to the people. this is a democratization of energy. this is a form of distributed capitalism that requires that everyone be enough to power, but also requires that we collaborate in deep social spaces and, to share our energy across continents. the music companies did not

understand distributed power with file sharing and music. we had a few young people smile. you figured out -- apparently young people that nothing else to do after school but finds new ways to create software to good music for free. we used to college cheating. other music companies, at first the left of this and then they try to legislate against it and then there would not a business. you cannot be millions of little kids to have nothing else to do after school that find software. they will win every time. the newspapers did not understand and distributed information and the importing of lee's comment of the newspapers are either going out of business or creating blocks. certainly encyclopedia britannica could not fathom leukopenia. live with millions of people recreate the knowledge of the universe into a free and then check each other for accuracy? [laughter] it is cover intuitive produced people cooperating. well, guess what, that is why the human race has been somewhat successful.

we are a social creature. cooperation is basic to us and our rural circuitry is wired not for predatory utilitarianism pleasure seeking behavior. that is a secondary drive. we're now learning of the cutting edge of biology that we are wired in our nursery tree so that we could feel another's experience as if it is our own. as a spider goes up your arm and i am watching and i will philip dahlia of mind. crocodiles don't do this. so we are an empathetic creature called lilly social and seek companionship. the worst thing we can do to each other is isolate or ostracized. so the third industrial revolution is interesting because the first and second industrial revolution is based on in the energy at the skill vertically, top-down. the energies were elite corps required huge financial capitol investment and the large banking institutions, and they also require that all of the

businesses that flow of that elite energy had to scale in big, giant factory, logistics', transport networks. it all scaled top down, centralized. the third industrial revolution skills laterally and will come. in each city as the begin to lay out the pillars of this infrastructure, there will become a noted and they want to connect to the next and the next in the next , just like wi-fi. until they connect across continents. the third industrial revolution skills laterally and wants to run and have it until it reaches ocean edges. it favors is small and medium-sized enterprises. the small and medium-size enterprises coming together invest now works. a lateral sounds like an oxymoron because we think of power as top-down. but side by side power, now, we're see on the internet has

far greater potential, and we have only begun this process with the internet joining with st. energy, this revolution is a thousand times more powerful than what we experienced with the internet alone. it will change all of our power relationships. it changes politics. we saw this, when we began to work with government leaders across the world we noticed that whether a government leader went with us with his design or didn't have no relationship to their political persuasion. for example, the german chancellor is democrats. socialist country. the mayor of rome. he sent to -- center-right. greece calotte papandreou liked it and his socialist international. david miller who was the head of the labor party, mr. cameron did. what we began to realize, there

is a political shift going on. it is a generational shift. young people under the age of 30 do not think right-left. they don't think about ideology. it is not even part of their vocabulary radar screen in history. when a young person in the internet generation judge's institutional behavior, the judge it along a different spectrum. is this particular institution of behavior centralized? top-down? patriarchal, clothes and proprietary? is this institutional behavior of distributed, collaborative, transparent, and open? that this was going on in the arab spring with of the young google generation, what is going on on wall street helped. that is what is torn down all over the world. we are seeing a see change in the political landscape from centralized distributed and from top down to lateral out.

the third industrial resolution to the evolution changes the political and cultural landscape fundamentally. it is fundamental. that me give you one example of how the business model changes because this is totally counter intuitive. a wreath first introduced this plan in europe obviously the big energy companies are not thrilled. the power and utility companies or, you know, kind of muttering about this as well, not too happy because they said, we want to control the power, the transmission lines, and we want to sell a lot of electrons. and then we began to work slowly with the utility companies in europe, ncr, a scottish power, ian bw in germany. one by one is so this is the model -- logic of the new model. what we said to the utility companies is committed used it. millions and millions and millions of people, small businesses, homeowners, co-ops, we are going to provide energy.

roberto to see in the next 40 years is the same curve that is developing here in terms of the cost of these collections technologies, solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, the same curve that we saw with computers and cell phones. it is just laughing right on the line. so they're going to get cheaper and cheaper but still up, early adoption, and as the technology improves, so cheap that i would say that in 20 years from now your solar technology, wind, geothermal, hydro, biomass converters will be so cheap that it would give them away, and you will buy the service and of the actual product, just like cell phones are given a window and you buy the service. and once that happens the sun is free once you have a collection technologies to harness it. the wind is free. the heat under the ground where you live as free. the guards that you create can be converted to biomass. that is free. this is free. so we are beginning to see is

millions of people produce our own energy. what is the role of the utility companies to run the energy interests, but it has to be surprised by government authority. how did they make money in the new world? we used to the ibf case study, used every m.b.a. program. i teach at the executive educational park. we teach this ibm case study. in the 1990's ibm was in trouble. they had that ibm computer. there are not liking a money because their computer was no better than any other. the mothers were not good. the chinese had cheaper computers. ibm said, how do we like money? we are not making it selling computers. they had a soul-searching discussion and ask what ibm really did that people needed. we manage information. that is our expertise. and now ibm, cisco, h-p and consulting companies are managing information flow and

every company and the world as a chief of mission officer. what is the real expertise of a utility company, managing energy. it will step -- set up harvesting for those of corporate clients, small and medium-sized to large businesses , many is the energy flow across the supply chain, embedded in their products and processes and distribution. the name of the game for the next 30 years during this montell transition from a second industrial revolution that is dying in the third industrial revolution that is pushing to be born, the actual contest in which you survive or perish as a business is your energy cost, or whether your margins stay up were you collect not under the labor cost, is that your energy costs, to the extent that the utility companies can help clients manage their energy flow, keep their energy costs low, keep their thermodynamic efficiency high, increased their productivity and then their clients can share their savings

and productivity back to the till the company. it's called shared savings. i will predict many utility companies will never make this jump. they're too centralized and will go out of business. some well. municipal utilities will, and you will see more and more utilities' become municipally owned. and in companies that don't make the jump -- some will cause some utilities will, we're already seeing hundreds and hundreds of startup companies emerged, energy and graders who are using their act expertise to begin managing energy flows for their client around and energy and to vote. these other seven companies of the 21st century. blending internet technology with distribute energy. a scale lateral, get the new model and are quick to adopt. it is not enough to have a good game plan. this third industrial revolution is just plain common sense. it took tustin years to get

there. we have to get to renewable energy and of carbon. we have to collect the best way to collect is in buildings and infrastructure on site. we know we have to store them because there are intermittent energy solely of the put and hydrogen and other stores to the elegies. we know we have to share these energies in order to maintain the global economy. that is an energy internet. we have to plug them into transports the we can have logistics' so that we can maintain our current economy. it's not rocket science, but even with a good economic plan, and this kid -- this is a good economic plan, unless they're is a shifting consciousness we will not get there in time. we are running of time. the clock is ticking on climate change. we may be facing a potential mass style of life on this planet. imperiling our own species ability to survive. and so because time is an asset we have to move quickly and

change consciousness. the third industrial revolution brings us to biosphere constance . takes as other ngos appeared politics and taxes and tobias year. every human being is responsible for our own neighborhood and for monitoring and store in the energy flow of the bigger we become aware that we are in debt in the rhythms of the plaid. in the industrial age we divorce ourselves because we went to store the sun. we thought that we don't have to be dependent on nature. that is where we lost our way. of course all he wants to all species are made up of the myriad of biological clocks, and our parks inside are circuitry are completely in french with the planet. when we move back to the rhythm of the earth and reached the inner buildings, homes, offices we are monitoring the sun. hell is that irradiance? more subtle less on the, the wind, what does it look like an hour? was going on with the heat under

the ground? how was my garbage decomposes into energy? all the time we are constantly being attuned to the very sensitive frequencies and flows and rhythms of the earth that we are involved in. but because we not only steward the energy where we are, we are just a note. the we have to connect up with all of the other biosphere notes and share this energy across vast continents. these are to become aware that we are interconnected in the ecosystems of this planet as we are connected and the social spaces on the internet. this is biosphere economy. unless we take this as academic, go into any school system in america or europe, africa and asia and the kids are learning biosphere conscious. they're going home and sank to their parents, why is he like to see on the road, there's nobody in there. it is wasting. ride we have such a big car that uses so much petrow, gas?

why is december on my plate? where did it come from? how did my clothes, with a growing? what your view of learning is that every single thing that they engage in as an ecological footprint that affect the well-being of some other family or some other creatures somewhere else and this buster. that is bus your consciousness, and they're connecting the dots and thinking since -- systemically. for example, with a hammer on the plate, did it come from central america? today after create a soil base for the cattle, and when they did, did they have animal species that went extinct because their relied on that tree can be? when they raise the trees there were no longer serving as a carbon save, so that means that industrial used, it has nowhere to be observed and the temperature of the planet when up in the water cycle changes and some former nell has a yield declined because of the temperature shift all because of

a hamburger on a bond. that is systemic thinking. that is biased your conscience. so the mission at hand, i think, is this. we have a vision and game plan. europe is moving this to read especially germany. the question is what is wrong with america? have we lost -- yet, this is interesting. what made america great, really great was not just the oilwells and our inventiveness. what really made america great is our singular ability to envision a future which -- with such a vividness, a definition that people thought they had gotten there before they left the station and would risk everything to get to that future that made sense. this is what madison avenue and silicon valley and hollywood have needed. have lost our imagination? what i do know is this, once america with all the divisions we have no and the political squabbles, once we get this

vision we can move quickly, more quickly than any country in the world. let's be a little humble and look it with our european friends are doing. not everything starts here. let's look at germany. it is a powerhouse. germany is a lighthouse. if we can look over there, borrow some of these lessons, and begin to tell the story, sped the narrative and laid down the infrastructure, we are going to be alive house again in the 21st century for the americas of the world. i think darden castle, i'm an old guy, not to use. i have been in this struggle for years and i know what i just outlined is really tough. really are really tough. vested interest. we have a lot of old-timers who don't want to see this happen and a civilization where a lot of folks to not want to see centralized patriarchal top down power eliminated in favor of distributive collateral lateral power, but their time is done. the world is moving forward.

yet people all over the planet are taking to the streets. they want access and to be part of a global family. though the mission, the latest industrial revolution. california and around the country helps for the words of the we can create biosphere consciousness. we have a young generation that is waiting for this. they grew up in paris on the internet. comfortable with the idea of creating their own information and willing to share it. now the test is and is to invite them. it is there turn now. it said the mind to the task, create their own energy, sure that, unless through a post society, give us a chance to replenish the earth for a species and fellow creatures. be focused for three generations , no 88 steep but three generations, get rid of the squabbles and the other things that we're arguing about.

they pale in comparison to what we have to do now which is to save the human race, save our souls and the splendid. in the process we will create millions of jobs and regrow this economy, but it will be sustainable. it will be just and equitable. and it will be worthy of what the human race can do. that is the mission. [applause] [applause] hot. >> thank you. thank you for that a very fascinating and pursued a stark. we have time for just a few questions, so let's start here. if you could speak to the microphone. >> and knowing the gridlock we have in washington, how do we began building this margaret? obama came in talking about this, andrea and no where near it.

>> president obama was wrong. his are was in the right place. he wanted a great economy, but he did not understand what a green economy was. he did not have the story. the story i just told do he could have told and he would be in a very different position now than he is. the fact is, what president obama did he and the department of energy and mr. chu and the others is the silos all of the components into little pilot projects has been billions of dollars but never connected. so he would always talk about his great economy and give a laundry list and go visit of -- visit of battery factory our solar factory your electric car, but he never put it together in an infrastructure. so lost billions of dollars in standalone pilot projects. and so no wonder the american public is suspicious and said, what did we give to this? will need to do is recast this, tell the story that i just told tonight.

it will start in that city. our global steel round table, we did the math and plan for san antonio. the seventh largest city. we did it for row, we have done is for regions and the netherlands and all other places can be done. at the regional level it is important for regional governments and local governments to work with industry and society. all three sectors to map this out. civil society, not-for-profit community, local business, government, start setting up. put in feeding tariffs. without that you can start this. ontario is the only region in north america that the lot created. it started. it has started. spread the word. talk to all of your friends and all the professional fields unless are working together to lay down his nose. note after note after know. every city can become the third

industrial revolution node and connect. >> would you share the power between knows, buildings, cities, how do you share it on an electric line or with a pipe carrying hydrogen? >> we can do both immobile we're talking about the electricity line, also possible to use gas, where talk about electricity. >> my question is how do you see markets valuing some of the changes the you're talking about? for example, your typing it out your cost of energy will be the big match record companies and individuals. how do you see integrating bat-to-bat metric into the valuation of companies are marked so that we know who's doing his right into is not when you're paying for the rest of ways to keep doing it wrong? >> this is where experience comes in. there are millions of players, ala entrepreneurs but collaborate and cooperatives, consumer cooperatives and other networks it will demand

transparency because they're risking and pooling resources. one of the things that is going to happen is we will see a reverse. for a long time we will begin to take a public utilities and privatize them. now we're starting to see the reverse. derek bell cities and regions are say we are trying to wait. we will create our own and then move quickly. some will make the transition that time. we're proud to see a process where cities and regions around the world will reclaim or create their own public utility that they don't have. los angeles has a public utility. san antonio has won. all other places don't transparency is critical. you need a microphone. [inaudible question] oh, i'm sorry. >> of the beginning of your talk

you mentioned the water cycle. five -- programs for water. >> the interesting thing is that fossil fuels, in order to generate electricity, requiring huge amounts of water, huge amounts of water. that is of the biggest problems were you ever discuss. if you convert fossil fuels love the water use is enormous. nuclear is even more interesting. the state france. the quintessential nuclear power . germany, as you know, i decommissioning every nuclear power plan but 2022, gone. [applause] [applause] and siemens just announced their route of a clear power and it is gone. is going to happen in france in the next election. france has 70% to almost 80 percent of its electricity from of their power. 40 percent of all the fresh water and all of france each

year, 40 percent of all water goes to cooling nuclear reactors. when you come back its heated and at the height pretty consistent and undermine the agriculture. it's a no go. >> if the europeans charge ahead what will it mean to american competitiveness over the long haul, and when will it to disadvantaged? >> i think the disadvantage is showing up now. you're seeing the european and gloom -- the european union move ahead, especially germany. watch japan. the prime minister said i will quit, i will take responsibility , but i won't quit until you pass one piece of legislation, of feeding tariff, and they just passed it. fet in tears, as another can begin to get premium for energy. watch. this is the second incentive for japan, not only in the domestic market, but then they're going

to be head-to-head with germany. watch. watch india where my office is developing a plan which will be announced in january for distributed power across india. we will see an interesting struggle demurs. if the u.s. is that could quickly it will fall behind. let me give you an example of what they did to show that it does not give it. in washington the administration and the department of energy t-mobile the plan that western governors create big seller parks and the big west governors would set up wind parks. then they put in a high-voltage line and ship it to the eastern urban populations with averell but have to go penitentiary to do it. well, that is a centralized red. the eastern governor said of. debate midlantic governors and

wrote a letter and said we will create our own energy here, jobs, businesses , are of increasing energy and then we will send it back to that distributed great. what is happening in washington is the centralized top-down approach, even with the new technology. there are too many millions of people that will move this way. the internet generation. the only question is and, will there be so and the obstacles put in place that we will continue to fall why not? and it is not the fault lines in the competitive compared to the political sense, fall blinded a species sense, lose our direction, lose our sense of the future. and with the u.s. this test is a simple question the simple question. where do you as a family and the employee fill employer and citizen want to be. c-span2 to be in a sunset

energy, technology, sunset infrastructure of a dying second industrial revolution? that is making more and more difficulty on the economy toward the you want to be a sunrise energy, technology commanding emerging sustainable infrastructure that it's it's beyond carbon. so i think any reasonable person can try frolic to move beyond this ideological straitjacket and say we're all like this to be. i think the answer is pretty self apparent. now we have to move. >> i wonder what perris you would set for education in moving us toward the biosphere consciousness the you're talking new route. i hear too quick things that you mentioned. one is giving citizens a number to the to envision the future and the second is to link across disciplines to give kids this test to see helen merrill countesses links with other subject areas.

>> the second to last chapter of the book is called cluster makeover. the chapter for that is called retiring as the. we have to bury young generations to learn and distribute collaborative sessions and to share lawless to cut all its latterly and to begin engaging in knowledge report as a community experience the idea that knowledge is something one seeks as powers of taken advantage over others so what can be an autonomous agent is enlightenment thinking. that is not help people learn. we learn by sharing our experiences together and learning from each other. we used to call that cheating. that is actually how we learn. young kids on the internet-sharing knowledge. all sorts of ways. we have to ship the school from the authoritarian classroom teacher to centralized power. everyone stays in their stalino

one shares information with each other. a distributed collaborative like classroom, learning walls of a lateral. we have to introduce scaping civic and people can understand their cohorts of the world, wretched of service learning so your people are learning in the kennedy. we have to bring young people back to an attachment to nature. we have to it seek their connection, rewire urban areas, make sure that young people are out there with their fellow creatures as stores and caretakers and participants. this chapter goes into all of that. we need a complete revolution, and as another chapter in the third industrial revolution we make the economy, retiring adam smith. i went to nice, but our economic series is based on metaphors from the beginning of the enlightenment. the italian physics is only

about acceleration education but does not tell us anything about economic activity. economic activity is all governed by the laws of energy. those laws or actually discovered until last part of the 19th century, right after economic to put itself together, so what is interesting is engineers, chemists, biologists, architects, red planners know more about the economy than economists. we're trying to see a complete a fundamental shift in the economic profession. all the basic assumptions to create an economic theory that modeled to a sustainable world and miles true that we live in. these are big challenges. i was not just attempting to be glib blessed a third industrial revolution changes everything. it is fundamental. really at the beginning. this is step one.

we are just starting this journey. none of this note with this will end, we have the vision clear. that is we believe as a species it is essential to share this biosphere with each other. you want to create economic models that allow us to be entrepreneurial but also allows to be collaborative and share our experience and create a new dream based not just on individual opportunities to succeed, but based on the quality of life for all of us. everyone person i've been around the world. we cannot give that with an old centralized top-down second industrial revolution modeled but does not provide for that kind of justice and equity and quality of life we all want for your kids so desperately. this is the beginning of a great journey, the moment really is a very, very seminal turning point for us as a species. i don't know if we will make it. a lot of the and people will be here by midcentury, you send me

a postcard and let me know. if you focus now we have the talent as a species to get this job done. now we have to get that mission to take off, really ticking. good night. [applause] >> you are watching book tv un c-span2, 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. >> we went to war after september 11th on the credit card and did not ask. we did not ask anything of the rest of the self sacrifices whatsoever. we were a kind of interest to go back and go shopping again. we had an enormous boom in housing which was irrational, so much of it from the beginning. i remember our daughter calling me from san francisco where there were buying their first home. she said, they're offering these 20-year deals with interest only for the first 50 years. you can see what was going to come at the end of the first 15

years. she said to me you know, we're going to be more cautious. i worry about my friends. i went to a couple of major construction people and said, what the hell is going on. they said to the there is so much as an orientation out there that we will learn anything. fannie mae and freddie mac were driving a lot of that, and that was too political destitution stock was high public, very clever college and johnson and others about getting the idea of home ownership for everyone when plainly not everyone qualified and was going to be equipped. we're paying a big price for that now. we have 20 million homes that are either in foreclosure or stressed or in danger of going into foreclosure. that means we have to to million held up by knew it, appliances, carpeting, can move to luggage up, and are stuck, and they're stuck with the biggest investment it will make in their life for many of them. this represents a lot of their

net worth, and so we get the housing prefigured out it will be harder job to get the economy really rolling back on track in a way that we need to. neither party is talking about that, which is kind of striking. >> your book is made of some very poignant questions, one is a question that john f. kennedy as many years ago. if john f. kennedy were around today and as you what would be done, what you could do to your country, what you have done for your country recently, how would you answer? how would you answer? >> i would say i've pleaded the new york public library. [applause] >> that is one. >> well, i honestly think that i am at a stage in my life, if there is an oxymoron in american life is a humble anchormen. we don't exist. this is a modest of me, but i have seemed to have earned a

certain place where people will listen to me and always cared about the country. the greatest generation gave me a kind of platform that was completely unanticipated. so i thought i ought not to squander that, so i ought to step up as not just a citizen and journalist all but as a father and husband and grandfather. if all i see these things out to read about them and try to start this dialogue which is with and try to do with this book. with our family we do a lot of different and malawi. a habitat here, another daughter who spend a lot of time and he is here living in that tent with rodents coryell lower. out there doing grief counseling and another daughter who works for the international rescue

committee in san francisco because we were raised by parents and grandparents who just saw that as part of the national calling of life, that you gave back in some fashion, so i have done that the law but i think -- like to think while larger contribution is trying to engage people in the events that define their time. >> you have passages in the book precisely about the legacy of your parents and how careful and cautious there were and thrifty and never spent more than they had. like almost everyone else of the ace beverage thrifty by nature and necessity. it is the spread of the did not have. is it necessary every week. >> sometimes to a fault. >> to a fall to?

>> there were too thrifty. i would say laden a little. you can afford this. it was hard for them. they just come it was hard for them to spend the extra bucks sometimes. it did not mean it to not have a great life. they did. they did everything they wanted to do, and i had the good fortune of having resources, so i could help them in ways, troops are helping the by retirement place. it never defined our relationship. my dad died the week before of a massive coronary, but three weeks before i begin my interviews, and it had been announced -- and this is, you know, a great thing for our family, for me testily have this wonderful job with all this is a possibility. it came with it is very substantial salary. i caught the wave of kiddy paid a lot of money for doing this and a fork. ago of a publicity, and my

father never earned, i think, cash income more than $9,000 a year in his life. maybe at the end he did better than that. he worked for the engineers. a call me and said a reading these reports with your salary. is that true? in the system we've never talked to my salary before, and i had made good money before that tall but this is sticking to a different level. what he wants to know? and i don't well. and just reading. we went on to something else and about which letter might seller was reported in time magazine. my father was red-haired and called me. i call them. he called me back. he says, so i'm reading time magazine. [laughter] i said, come on, dad. where we talk about this? he said tomatoes you why. for his life is our mother and i have known you have run short at the end of the year. we need to know how much to set aside this year.

[laughter] up 1/7 a perfectly of dealing with this. it took and shopping in california one time. they came to visit us. very high-end place called gilts since. at the car going to the supermarket. i thought i would show off my thrifty gene. fresh squeezed orange juice. as said stella the stuff is really expensive. let's get the box stuff. he reached down and picked up three variations of bottles of california wine and said, i guess the money that you save and oranges will help pay for these. [laughter] that put it in perspective for. >> in less to been very proud. >> he was. but it was not immodesty. the data as the mother of meet with the author say my son of the restaurants, my other son is a marine and leather around the corner. adjusted not play favorites.

my father, when i first got to have some kind of public celebrity somebody once asked him that he was gathering at the elks club. my dad looked and i said i think he's the cousin perry lahood. >> another aspect of your part that i would like to talk about, which i did not really know is the incredible importance they you attach to what one might call an enlightened form of philanthropy. philanthropy plays an important part @booktv a porter wrote, and by that i mean, foundations such as one of the ones i am particularly attest to in this city, the robin hood foundation. and you talk about it says, and

away, model of the foundation that would do well to expand in many different cities. >> we are very fortunate. i was a big skeptic when it first started. >> you were? >> a bunch of rich guys trying to buy some reputation, and i have a lot of friends that were involved. they invited me to their breakfast that they have every year. another one coming up before too long. john kennedy jr. was there at the time, and he introduced to young men that he had gone to prep school with who were running a school up in east harlem, and it was removing of a what they were doing and how john was attached. so when john was lost and i thought, all, what can i do? what up to the school and said i would like to help out. i did. then the robin hood people came to me and said, we could really use you on the board because to your note, we are all hedge fund guys and make a lot of money, but we don't have much of a political year.

we don't understand how the rest of the world works. as much as we are used to having our way, we need someone to give us a reality check. we went -- went on the board, and i was astonished at the command of these very busy people and the discipline they brought to have a deal with their money. they paid all the overhead for robin hood. they had metrics. they got to agencies, paraprofessional staff, take the measure of an agency for when mothers are abused, family members that was left to work, not very well, war is doing something really important. we need someone. they pay for everything. this is the most generous country in the world. no other country in the world's as freely as the united states does for a variety of causes. the city will ever compare with new york when it come