unofficial levels tried to engage the chinese on these sorts of questions, both track one and track two. we at csis did a track two dialogue on this that, um, was also not very successful. i think the bak government also has tried to do on their own with 1.5 with the chinese on these sorts of questions and has had limited success as well. now, it's very clear that the main reason that these were not successful was that for the chinese they had absolutely no interest in being seen in discussion with the south koreans or with the united states. about possible instability in north korea. you know, it's, it's just not in chinese interests to do that. i think the interesting question -- but what the chinese would do, i mean, is the way we would engage them is we wouldn't engage them and say, you know, the sudden death of kim jung-il, we would engage them and say,

well, how would you deal with environmental disaster on the sino-north korean boarder? orb, you know, this was before talk fukushima, suppose there was a nuclear accident? i think the interesting question now is, you know, given what has happened with the chinese being more open to these sorts of conversations maybe not at the official level, but maybe at an unofficial level. and here i think i would agree, i think one way to approach it is to talk about, you know, how people would react to a successful transition, do things that the chinese are comfortable with. but i think the other way to do it is, also, to basically go in and have all the parties -- u.s., rok and china because i think those would be the key parties -- really go in and try to have, and i know it's difficult, but try to have a conversation about what we all fear with a collapsing north

korea. because our biggest enemy among the three countries is something like -- if something like this were to happen, our biggest enemy is not what's happening in north korea, our biggest enemy is miscalculation among the parties. in response to the smoke they're seeing in north korea. and that's how things happen, right? through miscalculation. and so trying to get a degree of transparency into what might motivate each country as they respond or try to address perceived vulnerabilities when the smoke starts rising from north korea, i think that's a really important first step. now, again, i say this knowing it's very difficult to do, but maybe that's easier to do it in an unofficial level initially than it is to do at an official level. >> well, and there are areas, i think, dimensions of this problem that involve possibilities for limited cooperation.

especially the humanitarian aspects. so it may be possible to start with those kinds of discussions. you know, my experience of listening to chinese on this issue is that they are a little bit more forthcoming in that area. you know, it's interesting, um, i tried to write a scenario for, you know, this type of discussion with the chinese at one time. and it began with the sentence kim jung-il is dead. and at that time it was, i think, too shocking. but now it's reality. and so it's definitely worth, i think, um, having an effort to try to get chinese interlocutors to respond to reality rather than a hypothetical. >> great. larry nish and gentleman in the white. >> larry nish from csis.

a question about the older son of jim jong-il, kim-jong-il. who has been in china for a number of years. now, in the last couple of years, he has given a couple of interviews to, i believe, the japanese press and a couple of other publications in which he has said within the north korean context some very politically incorrect things. about the north korean system. and even about his father's policies. what reading might there be on the question of whether he will be allowed into the country for the funeral on december the 29th

or whether he will be kept out? and if he's allowed back in the country, what happens to him then? afterwards? it -- can we read anything into whatever decisions are made about his relationship to the funeral? also, in examining chinese policies toward north korea did we or do we have a pretty good reading about the chinese government's relationship with kim jong-nom, how close it is or whether it's distant, and whether there might be the potential for a kind of chinese candidacy for this eldest son should the scenario jack has laid out of kim jong un's

declining status, loss of support come to be in the, in the near future? >> great, thank you. and the gentleman right there. oh, right there. >> robert donor from the treasure -- treasury. it's a similar question, but suppose you're looking at this purely from the viewpoint to have chinese. what opportunities do they have, what options and tools do they have to promote their own interests independent of our own in north korea? >> well, let me start with larry's question about kim jong-nom. i think there's an advantage to kim jong un and whatever the collective decision-making process is going to be to allow kim jong-nom back in for the funeral. there is a sense of solidarity. we all know, as you've alluded to, there have been suggestions

that kim jong un has attempted to e eliminate his older brothe, things of that nature. what you're getting at is what happens if he comes back in, will they let him leave, will they incarcerate him, will they eliminate him as a future threat? and i would suggest not. that he would come, go to the funeral and be exiled and never seen again in north korea. that's the best that can happen. and i wouldn't think that the north koreans would be following him with a poison umbrella tip. it just doesn't help them in the near term. >> um, i think this is -- it's going to be -- i don't know what's going to happen, but it's going to be a great opportunity to observe because, you know, who will be at the funeral? will all three sons be at the funeral? what about the daughter, you know? there are rumors that she's sick

also. it'll be very interesting to watch and so see what happens -- to see what happens because, again, we've had so little opportunity to view this. i would imagine while they're not going to let the press in there, they are probably going to release some pictures of this, so it'll be a very interesting opportunity to see, you know, what -- and we will all make our own theories about palace politics as a result of this. but, you know, as a scholar and analyst following this, it's going to be a great opportunity to try to understand how things are operating within the north. and, you know, it takes an extraordinary event like this in order for us to get those glimpses, but i think we'll have a good glimpse of what is happening. on china's interest in north korea, you know, robert's question, um, you know, i think the chinese as we all do face, you know, a core dilemma here because on the one hand it's, you know, the chinese, i think, are just naturally ingrained to want to support the status quo

rather than to try to address fundamental change. and they could sort of put off any question of fundamental change as long as kim jung-il looked like he was sort of stably and securely in power. i mean, that just naturally inclined the decision making process even in the face of nuclear tests and other things to sort of support the status quo. um, this is a completely different situation now. and chinese support of a secure -- sick but secure kim jung-il regime is different from china essentially having to underwrite a system that is in transition with an untested leader. um, presumably it would require a much bigger commitment from china. and i think we've already seen the lead of this in their being the first to sort of make statements, and even in those statements to offer, to be open to an early visit by the new leader of north korea.

so they are, you know, at least they look right now like they're fully going to underwrite this thing. and then the question becomes, one, will there still be a debate inside of china about whether this is the right thing for china to do, you know, strategic liability versus trying to hold on to this declining strategic asset. but the other will be if they decide to hold on to this declining strategic asset, for how long? because there are clearly going to be much higher costs involved with their relationship with north korea under kim jong un than there was under kim jung-il. and then the third piece of this is, you know, as i wrote in "the new york times" this morning, this is going to be the, you know, in many ways the first major foreign policy decision of a new chinese leadership. and to -- so from the perspective of the new chinese leadership, do they want this to be their first major policy decision?

to basically say remember thal baa today around the neck that the previous leadership had? we've turned that into a much bigger albatross, and we're going to wear it around our neck. so take that. it's going to be interesting to see how they respond to that. >> let me say it's, i think, very hard to get traction on the chinese government's relationship with kim jong-nom. in many respects, it seems he has greater freedom of speech than many well known chinese dissidents, so that's an interesting and perplexing, i think, circumstance. you know, the real question is, you know, does china have the means or desire to be the king maker in north korea, and if so, how would they go about doing snit and i think that as victor has suggested, the chinese leadership is quite risk-averse, and i think it's likely that, you know, the concerns about blowback in the event of the

failure of any efforts to try to, you know, choose a leader will prevent them from doing it. instead, they actually l hold the key to success. the leader is going to have to come to china in order to get the resources necessary to be able to survive. so in that respect i don't think that china can be a king maker, but i do think that they can enable the success of anybody that they see as a likely, you know, winner in any leadership contest. >> great. i've got professor kim here and then we've got chad who's monitoring our twitter world. we're actually live streaming this program today, and there's probably a couple of dozen people watching online, and they've submitted some questions. so we'll go to chad afterwards. >> just one question. we're kind of viewing things from the top down. as we know, the arab spring started from the bottom up.

in if north korea the -- in north korea the currency reforms failed, and we saw the grievances. north koreans, their minds are being opened through cultural products, through information being delivered through south korean movies, and we were aware that there's wide viewing of this. what do you think the likelihood at all of something working up from the grassroots? >> yeah. >> and chad real quick? >> yeah. we've got a question from chase and exchange. i guess this would be for you, jack. can we expect a military incident in the coming months? thanks. >> okay. great. well, let me take the second one first. um, you know, we've seen a lot of analysts in the last couple of days talk about their concerns about provocations, that there's a high probability. this is where i differ. i think there's a lower probability, that as they talk

about -- and why would this occur? to burnish the credentials of kim jong un so the 28-year, four-star can command the respect of the military. well, that attempt, by and large, was done in 2010, and it was done at a cost, a cost in the relationship with china. it caused them to make decisions whether they were strategic or not at the time, their chinese concern about the fragility of the regime caused them to publicly back the north koreans. there was a cost involved. a cost in their own relationship with south korea. to the contrary, i think that a provocation at this point would damage the potential for china to be a larger-scale backer at a critical point in time. it would undermine what would be seen as overall control. so from my point of view, i

think there's a much lower probability. it's probably not zero, but it's extraordinarily low. certainly in the next several months, if not a year. so i'm not concerned about that. and let me just throw in one thing on the arab spring thing. i think one of the things for me in looking at other, you know, bottom-up revolutions as they've occurred is the speed of the transfer of information, the ability to go from facebook to twitter to cell phone. that doesn't exist in north korea. so however scenario or model you want to create, i don't think there's the wherewithal for that kind of movement to happen in the speed that's required. >> um, on the, on the arab spring question, you know, um, all revolutions never look the same. they all look different.

um, and while it's difficult to imagine, you know, the north korean people suddenly rising up and marching on the gates of the mausoleum, you know, we just don't imagine that happening. but having said that, i mean, one of the things that we have to remember that kim jung-il left in terms of his legacy in north korea in addition to nuclear weapons was, ironically, he left markets in north korea. because if he had not failed so miserably economically such that the government had to close the ration system, the north koreans never would have discovered markets like they've discovered them today. um, and that's been a process that's been in place now for, what, nearly 20 years. and so, you know, we know there is a market mentality in north korea, there is an independence in the mind of north korean

society that did not exist in 1994. so we know that that's fair, right? we don't know how it's going to manifest itself in terms of independence of mind, but that's there. at the same time, you have this leadership problem in the north. so how this will all play out, we don't know. just like before the arab spring, we had no idea how these things would have played out. but i would just point out that after the arab spring every analyst you could find said, oh, yeah, we knew this was going to happen. [laughter] indications were there for a year. you know, twitter, high unemployment but at the same time rapid economic growth, all telltale signs of revolution. so if and when something happens in north korea, we all look back at that and say, oh, yeah, we knew this was going to happen, right? broken economy, starving country, untested leaders, sudden death of kim jung-il, right?

so i don't think you can say the arab spring will replicate itself in north korea, but every revolution looks different, and i think you have variables here on both the elite side and at the mass level that we have never had before in confluence. and so, um, i would say never say never. >> um, i actually believe that while the bottom-up changes are exciting to look at, it's hard to make an argument that they're consequential at this stage. and so i've been focusing not so much on the middle east, but on myanmar as an example of a top-down shift, in that case led by former military who realized that burma was falling behind. the problem with this in north korea is that the military is probably the most isolateed

among north korean elites. and yet if you look at bottom-up, i think we're 10 or 15 years away in north korea whereas top-down, you know, there's no way of predicting it, but it's potentially possible for it to occur at any, at any moment. >> okay. dr. cho and the gentleman back there. >> hi, charles chong, korean trade association. victor said that what the united states and south korea or other countries can do is, basically, wait and see. but whether it's the bottom-up revolution or some kind of collapse of the current north korean regime, what is china going to do, and will there be any reunification, and what kind

of things that the korean government can prepare and the united states? >> second question right there. >> bernard gordon, university of new hampshire. i want to follow up where scott was just beginning to go in terms of burma. um, there's speculation and some evidence that -- >> could you hold the mic closer to your mouth? >> is that okay? >> yeah, it's better. >> okay. in connection with burma. it seems to me that this is from the pyongyang's viewpoint the changes in burma are not a good development. um, particularly as scott and to victor and jack as well is that your sense that the changes in burma, the potentially better relationship with the united states, is that likely to become a drag of any significance to north korea?

i gather that it has been, do you are the ma/-- burma/north korea route has been useful in terms of money transactions and other things. is there some opening there to maybe see some better prospects? >> um, i'll just try to answer that really quickly. i think the opening to burma is bad news for north korea, but primarily because secretary clinton explicitly targeted the dprk burma military relationship which, i think, is one of -- you know, burma has been one of north korea's better customers in recent years. and so there's a direct financial loss that north korea may face as result of this shift. and so, you know, that, i think, is the immediate cost associated with that relationship. whether or not it has broader implications, i think especially

in the context of the last couple of days it's a little bit harder to make a judgment. >> on burma the only thing that i would add is, i mean, i'd agree with scott's assessment. the interesting thing is that if you look at least from a u.s. perspective at what's happened with burma in terms of u.s.-targeted counterproliferation policy on north korea, i mean, the united states over the past years has actually been relatively successful. in persuading many of the former purchasers of north korean hardwares to stop buying from north korea. you know, burma being the most recent case, but then, of course, you know, iraq, libya, you know, these were other cases. maybe not successful, so successful with iran just yet, but certainly with only of these other cases quite success. on the question on unification in south korea, i mean, i think

it is, it's interesting that in all of the swirl of discussion that's happened today and over the past 24 hours there's a lot of talk about dprk, a lot of talk about the united states, a lot of talk about china and not so much about south korea. and yet this is probably the most important event that the south koreans have seen really since the war. um, and here i think it's very challenging because on the one hand, many south koreans probably see tremendous opportunity at this moment. um, yet at the same time there is this realization that, um, this is part of a larger international picture, right? it's, it is difficult, and it's not advisable for south korea to act on its own. even though it is their peninsula, and it is important to coordinate particularly with, you know, the united states and china in terms of, in the terms of moving forward.

i think -- so i think that requires a great deal of discipline on the part of the current south korean government. i get the sense that the current south korean government is being fairly disciplined on this and has taken very measured steps. i mean, even though they're small things, they do indicate that no one's going to be sort of an offensive realist about this. i mean, this decision not to light the christmas trees in the dmz -- >> right. >> -- the statements of condolences, i mean, i think these are all showing a very measured and careful tone on the part of the south korean government. but there's no denying that this is a huge, hugely important event for south koreans. and i think as this plays out over the weeks and months, the the rok role is going to get bigger and bigger. >> let's take a question here and one more.

>> victor has covered part of the question i wanted to ask. as a korean person, the first thing that actually came to my mind that the news of the passing of kim jung-il was is the unification really a possibility within my lifetime. and if so, or actually, is it still a possibility, or is it, is it just wishful thinking or some people don't wish it? so what's the, what is, what is it that we want from the south korean point of view, from american point of view, chinese and japanese? >> and andrew. >> andrew noah, society of washington d.c.

dr. cha, you mentioned china underwriting north korea and the markets earlier, so i was just wondering what happens to the north korean economy going forward? what happens to the special economic zones? what happens to the zone going forward under the new leadership? thank you. >> um, well, on that question i think, i mean, in the part it depends on north korea and part of it depends on south korea, obviously. i mean, you know, will the current government or future government in south korea continue to hold open these opportunities in other projects for the next north korean leadership? and then whether the next north korean leadership is going to accept those opportunities. you know, going back to our earlier discussion, i mean, it's, again, hard for me to imagine -- well, any new leadership in north korea's going to have to make money, right? and the question is how are they going to do that, you know?

the hope is that they will do it through some sort of reform, um, you know, such as we saw in -- we see in vietnam or in china which means giving up a degree of political control. that's the hope, right? the likelihood at least in my own personal opinion is that they will rely on tried and true, tested means of getting money which minimize the possibility for losing political control. which would make them still attractive projects for them. every time we see efforts at some sort of economic interaction, i'm always skeptical to sort of jump on the bandwagon and say, oh, they've seen the light, they're ready to reform. it's really a case of trying to accumulate hard currency and minimizing the risk on the political side. um, on the question, on the professor's question on unification, you know, it's a hard one to answer.

um, in many ways i don't think for koreans i don't think it's a question of whether koreans want it or don't want it. if it happens, it's going to fall into their laps. whether they like it or not. and i think in that sense, um, compared to, comparing friday to today i would say we're definitely closer. to unification than we were last friday. now, we can't put probabilities on that, we don't know when or the time frame or anything like that. but, i mean, you know, the sudden death of the north korean leader, it's hard to imagine that we're not closer. than we were before. >> if i can pick up on the, the question of whether north korea's economy goes and just on a couple things, you know, you can think through a scenario that suggests that initially the north koreans are going to welcome an infusion of chinese,

of activity. they're going to need that initially. but at some point this tension in the relationship that has always existed is going to emerge, and somebody's going to start making judgments in terms of do we really want this much chinese? is there another way? and you could -- i don't, i'm not predicting this, but you could suggest that as an example that all of a sudden there's a suggestion by the north koreans, an apology for the death of the tourist. and some oh opening that -- some other opening that welcomes the south koreans back in. under those circumstances would the south koreans come in, back in knowing that if not, all these assets that have now been confiscated will, in fact, flow to the chinese. so there is some opportunity there, but we're talking margins, i think.

>> okay. mr. la here and let's -- the lady in the back over there. >> okay, from the korean embassy. ..

>> what you think about the future of six-party talks? under this new leadership? what is your expectation or prospective? thank you? >> in politics whether in democracy, for leadership, the biggest obstacle is high expectations. and talk about high expectations, we have to be there for the big able 20 celebrations of rich nations. these are the highest expectatiexpectati ons. i think on, all of us are a little bit skeptical of whether this can all be carried off your

question was then if you are the high expectations, how will he do this? i just don't know. i don't see an easy way, aside from to borrow a term from the obama administration, aside from going all in, going all in and doing the picket. i mean that's really, that's really the only way. then the question is does china want to take that? so i think it's very difficult. on six-party talks, as ambassador pritchard mentioned earlier, i think prior to the news on sunday night, it looked like this week we were headed in the direction of slowly getting back to a more sustained dialogue with the possibility of a flute agreement, pow-mia, recovery project, and then rumors were the possibility of another bilateral between the

u.s., peter kay and beijing this week. that has been put on hold obviously. what does it mean for the future? it's really impossible. all we have is history to remind us that kim il-sung died in 1994, there was a period of non-dialogue. there was supposed to be a summit. kim il-sung at the time and the u.s. was in negotiations with north korea. then there was a delay, but in october they were back at the table and they actually got an agreement. so it's, i think it's difficult to say. i think at least part of giving back to six-party talks is two parties have to want to get back. the united states and north korea. china always wants to come back. you've got to have at least two parties who want to go back, and at least the initial signals from the u.s. administration was that we were headed back in that direction. so it really depends on what north korea wants.

>> i would suggest that if there's any serious discussion on six-party talks isn't going to conclude where you wanted to, denuclearization of north korea, so what you're talking about is the phrase that no administration wants to hear, and that is talks for toxic site. but in this particular situation, where you had the sudden change in government, and i know them, wherever going to go in the future, -- all right, i died. in terms of where we are going to go in the future, there is some merit for talks forsake as long as you fully understand it really is not going to conclude in the resolution of the nuclear issue. one other point, i'm going to

throw another piece of confusion rather than litigation, you talk about the april 15 celebration of the prospered and mighty nation. you have another celebration that we would have had come and that's on february 16 which would've been the 70th birthday of kim jong-il. it will not have been 90 days, three months by the. it will be interesting to see how the north koreans observed that. is at the end of morning or is it just the midpoint of morning and they will really ramp up for the celebration for the 100th anniversary of kim il-sung. an interesting question. >> i want to say something about this expectations for 2012. i actually think this transition really refrains, refrains expectations, and now the benchmark is probably going to be can, you know, is the north korean version of are you better off than you were 17 years ago.

at the time of the last regime change. they are we know that a famine unfolded and that creates a very low set of expectations. so i don't think kim jong-un can survive and model through, that would constitute success. and i think talk of great and prosperous nation is going to be just that, and it will fade out from the picture. >> we are going to take one final question here. and my old mentor, bill taylor, he got the final question. [inaudible] >> the probabilities that kim jong-un will survive, what's going on right now, but then i'm flashing back the 16, 17 years

ago and kim jong-il. and how would that ever survived. a guy who is a womanizer and the largest porno film collection in the world, shooting out street lights out of a mercedes, go on and on and on, and lets you talk to his professor, which he always wanted me to do to understand his son, talk to him who said that kim jong-il, kim jong-il's views were brilliant. real intellectual. but is there any difference, except the age, kim jong-un? a lot of people believe age, brains are not issue with age or rank. but any real changes, any differences, other than age that say kim jong-un can't make it? >> well, i think north korean 2011 is very different from

north korea in 1994. i think that it is more penetrated, the outside world. i think that institutions have atrophied compared to 1994. and i think that, you know, money is the route to success, not ideology. and so, you know, those are factors that i think make the sustained of a transition, the strategy versus sustainability different for kim jong-un compared to kim jong-il. >> i would agree with that. i think in addition, i would say one of the other differences is that kim jong-il had a lot more time to prepare. kim jong-il's death was sudden, of course but kim jong-il had already been put in a position or he was expected to succeed over a decade before july of

1994. that certainly is not the case for kim jong-un. and i think this point about how, i become a north koreans aside in 1984 is just so different from what it is today. it is more penetrated as we discussed earlier. there's a market mentality that didn't exist before. a clear understanding among many in north korean society that the social contract, the north korean social contract, the social contract between the government and society in many ways has failed. so i think it is a very different situation. >> i would only just reiterate in terms of the preparedness. you know, we think back to 1994 and the immediate aftermath, people were saying can he survive? yet, you know, he had been in the preparatory phase for 20 years, but more importantly he had been actually in control on a day-to-day basis. that's not the case here. you know, and there's a significant difference between a

52 year old who can draw back to his experiences, and having witnessed the interplay of watching his father he felt the country and control the levers of power. what is this guy going to turn back to? the last basketball game that he watched? i'm not quite sure. so i do think there is a significant difference, and it is far more fraught with danger than it was. >> i'm sure we will be continuing to watch these developers with great interest as we move forward, and please help me thank our panelists today. thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> without congressional actions, 2% payroll tax cut

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the summit provides $335 million in compensation to victims of countrywide's discrimination during the period when countrywide's served as one of the nations largest single-family mortgage lenders and originated more than 4 million residential or greg jones. in this thorough investigation, the department uncovered a pattern or practice of discrimination involving victims in more than 180 geographic markets across 41 states and the district of columbia. these discriminatory acts allegedly included widespread violations of the fair housing act and the equal credit opportunity act, and resulted in african-american and hispanic borrowers being charged higher rates for mortgage loans, solely because of their race or national origin. these allegations represent alarming conduct, by one of the largest mortgage lenders in this country, during the height of the housing market boom. for example, in 2007, a qualified african american

customer in los angeles borrowing $200,000 paid an average of roughly $1200 more in fees than a similarly qualified white borrower. this settlement will compensate the more than 200,000 african-american and hispanic borrowers who were victims of discriminatory conduct, including more than 10,000 african-american or hispanic borrowers who, despite the fact that they qualified for prime loans, were steered into subprime loans. now, subprime borrowers are often subjected to penalties and higher interest rates, and have a greater likelihood of default and foreclosure than those who have prime loans. often, the impact of discriminatory lending practices can reach even farther, potentially harming a barber's credit, inhibiting their ability to find quality housing, employment, or access to higher education, and depriving entire

communities of economic opportunities. today's settlement makes clear that today's justice department, and all of department behind me, will not hesitate to move aggressively in holding lenders, the nations largest, accountable for discrimination and financial misconduct. we are committed to protecting the sacred rights, and best interests, of the american people, and to ensuring equal opportunity through the vigorous enforcement of our civil rights laws. nowhere is this commitment more evident than in the work of the civil rights division's fair lending unit, which has filed or resolved 10 fair lending matters since its formation last february. an additional seven lawsuits, and more than 10 open investigations, are currently pending, and the department stands ready to hold financial institutions accountable to remedy and prevent discriminatory conduct. through critical interagency partnerships like the financial fraud enforcement task force, and particularly its non-discrimination working group, through the diverse

network of relationships we have forged with the department of housing and urban development, the federal reserve board, the consumer financial protection bureau, state and local officials, and our law enforcement and regulatory partners, the justice department will continue to vigorously pursue those who would take advantage of certain americans because of their race, national origin, gender, or disability. such conduct undercuts the notion of a level playing field for all consumers. it betrays the promise of equal opportunity that is enshrined in our constitution and our legal framework. and, under this administration, these harmful and discriminatory practices will not be tolerated. as we have done through this settlement, the department will pursue remedies and reforms that preserve and protect equal opportunity for all. i'd like to thank the many professionals, attorneys, and support staff whose hard work has made today's announcement possible, and whose dedicated efforts help to advance the core missions of this department

every single day. and, now, i'd like to turn things over to another key leader in this work, assistant attorney general for civil rights, tom perez. >> it's an honor to be with you today to announce this historic settlement. at the core of the allegations in the complaint is a simple story. if you were african-american or hispanic and you went to countrywide for a loan, and you were qualified, you likely paid more simply because of the color of your skin. you likely paid more than a similarly-qualified white borrower if you were african-american or hispanic and received your loan from a countrywide loan officer, or from countrywide's mortgage brokers. and if you were african-american or latino you are far more likely to be steered into an expensive and risky subprime loan than a similarly qualified white bar were. more than 200,000 african-american and latino

victims identified in the complaint that alleges they were hard charged higher prices or steered into the risky products because of the color of their skin rather than the content of their credit worthiness. countrywide built a business based, in large part, on the trust they earned from families as they guided families through the most important financial transaction of their lives. they understood marketing and how to build trust. se habla espanol, they said in latino communities, and two-thirds of the victims are in deep latino. but as our complaint outlines, they exploited that trust. it was countrywide's business strategy, the complaint alleges, to target local african-american and latino markets in order to expand its lending and ultimately gain market dominance in making residential loans increased communities. but once these borrowers walk into countrywide's doors, they did not receive fair and equal terms. in fact, they received discriminatory terms. and chances are, the victims had no idea they were being

victimized. they were thrilled to have gotten a loan and realized the american dream. they had no idea that they could have, and should have, gotten a better deal. this is discrimination with a smile. this was one of the most extensive investigations in our history. we reviewed data on over 2.5 million loans, including data loan terms and information on barbara's credit worthiness. this investigation was the result of a critical in close partnership with bank regulatory agencies. the board of governors of the federal reserve originally referred this matter to the department after they found reason to believe that countrywide had engaged in a pattern or practice of pricing discrimination. the federal reserve contributions to our investigation were significant and we are honored to have governor sarah bloom raskin with us today. we subsequently received a referral from the former office of thrift supervision, now part

of the office of the comptroller of the currency, after they also determined that countrywide engaged in a pattern or practice of pricing discrimination. we are pleased that dan stipano from the occ was able to join us today as well. in our complaint, we allege that from 2004 to 2008 countrywide engaged in a nationwide pattern or practice of discrimination based on race or national origin. the period in question represented the height of the housing bubble, and it is appropriate to focus on this time frame because abusive practices were most pervasive, and often unchecked. as detailed in the complaint, we alleged three different race or national origin claims, as well as a fourth claim based on marital status discrimination. the first two claims involve discrimination in the pricing of loans. the complaint alleges that between 2004 and 2008, countrywide's business practice allowed its employees and mortgage brokers to vary a loan's interest rate and other

fees from the price it set based on a borrower's objective creditworthy factors. simply stated, countrywide first determine your price based on your credit worthiness and then get its employees and mortgage brokers the discretion to alter that price without providing any guidance or monitoring for fair lending compliance. and guess who benefited from the exercise of discretion? our complaint alleges that, countrywide charged more than 200,000 latino and african-american borrowers higher fees and costs for their loans than non-hispanic white borrowers, not based on barber risk but simply because of race or national origin. both prime and subprime borrowers were charged more for loans. the complaint also alleges that between 2004 and 2007, countrywide's business practice allowed its mortgage brokers and employees to place a loan applicant in a subprime loan even when the applicant

was qualified for prime loans according to countrywide's underwriting practices. this conduct goes to the heart of some of the most harmful practices during the subprime boom. as a result of these policies and practices, the odds of an african-american or latino bar receiving a subprime loan instead of a prime loans were more than twice as high as those for similarly situated non-hispanic white borrowers. more than 10,000 latino and african-american borrowers were placed in subprime loans, even the non-hispanic white borrowers with similar credit were placed in prime loans. hispanic and african-american borrowers who were steered into subprime loans paid, on average, tens of thousands of dollars more for their loans and were subject to possible prepayment penalties, increased risk of credit problems, default, and foreclosure, and the emotional distress that accompanies such economic stress. our complaint also alleges that between 2004 and 2008, countrywide violated the equal

credit opportunity act by requiring spouses who were not applicants on a loan to sign away their rights to their home. so for instance, if the house was the only applicant on a loan, the law prohibits lenders from requiring his wife to give up her rights in the home as a condition to giving him a loan. while a lender has a right to ensure it can foreclose on a property, if necessary, requiring a wife to surrender her rights in her home to her husband at the time a loan is made is illegal. plain and simple. as i said, on the race and national origin claims there are more than 200,000 victims identified in the complaint, two-thirds of whom are latino. while the complaint stands virtually every corner of the country, california, which was the corporate headquarters for countrywide, was cleared the epicenter of discriminatory activity. roughly 30% of the victims were in california. the more than 200,000 latino and

african-american borrowers, while an unprecedented number in our fair lending cases, actually understated the extent of the harm. these borrowers represent families, many of whom did not know and still do not know they were victims of discrimination. and especially in the case of steering, this discrimination arms not only the borrowers and their families, but communities writ large. the proposed consent decree we filed today begins to address that are. it provides for $335 million in relief for victims of discrimination and sets forth a process to identify and compensate these individuals. i want to commend our dedicated team of attorneys, economists, investigators, and support staff as well as all of our sister agencies who are here today and are involved in the effort to ensure equal opportunity to access the american dream. i've already mentioned the important role of the federal reserve and the ots and the occ.

i also want to commend my colleagues at head, led by the fantastic secretary, shaun donovan. my friend john turns into, as was other banking records were agencies, as well as u.s. attorneys from virtually every corner of the country who are prepared to work together with us on this matter. i'd like to partake fully thank my good friend andre barack, u.s. attorney for the central desert in california for his leadership and partnership. i would be remiss if i did also thank thank my good friend, lisa madigan, the attorney general of illinois who was and continues to be a leader across the country on fair lending issues. finally, though i would like to commend the attorney general for his leadership. it's great to work for a boss that tells you to follow the law and do the right thing. that's what i hear day in and day out from the attorney general. the fair lending unit that he established has brought more

cases and received more fair lending referrals from regulators than ever before. we appreciate that and we will continue to work for equal opportunity across this country. we also appreciate the cooperation from bank of america during the course of our negotiation, and i want to say thank you to its president, brian moynihan, and others who worked with us in resolving this matter. and it is now my distinct privilege to turn to secretary shaun donovan, who has been a leader for the administration and our efforts to combat the housing crisis. secretary donovan. thank you, tom. i do want to also add my thanks and great debt of gratitude for the partnership of all of my colleagues that are here joining us today, particularly at the department of justice, and particularly to attorney general polder who has been just a remarkable and with a leader on these issues. today we're taking an important step to protect families across

the nation as the department of justice reaches a settlement with bank of america on behalf of families in 41 states and the district of columbia. in so doing, we right a wrong. countrywide, now part of bank of america, charged more than 200,000 african american and latino families more for their loans because of their race or ethnicity. further, countrywide put more than 10,000 of those families who had qualified for safe loans in the prime market into risky, subprime mortgages, at the same time white borrowers with similar credit histories were steered into safer, prime loans. every family has paid a very steep price for that responsibility and recklessness on wall street over the last decade. but no group has experienced the pain of this crisis more than african american and latino families. consider this, between 2005 and 2009, fully two-thirds of median household wealth in hispanic families was wiped out.

from jamaica queens in your city to oakland, california, strong middle-class african-american neighborhoods that saw nearly two decades of games watched them reversed in a matter of not use, but of months. any way you look at it, that's an absolute tragedy, one this administration refuses to accept. that's why we have pushed the banks hard to keep responsible families in their homes, and because we have, foreclosure notices are down 45% since early 2009. that's why, at the federal housing administration, part of hud, we have withdrawn the approval of over 1,600 lenders to participate in fha programs, more than four times the number during the entire tenure of the prior administration. and that's why we created a consumer financial protection bureau, the sole mission of which is to protect ordinary americans from abuses just like those we are discussing today.

today's announcement builds on these efforts, as with the so-called disparate impact rule that had recently proposed that the purpose of this proposed rule is simple. to strengthen the tools we have to pursue housing discrimination based not just on an intent to discriminate, but also on whether the facts show that discrimination occurred. of course, as historic as this settlement regarding the actions of countrywide is, indeed, as your attorney general holder say, it's the largest for housing discrimination settlement in the history of our nation. it won't solve all the problems this housing crisis has inflicted on our economy. that's why this administration continues to push to expand refinancing to more homeowners, to get more help through modifications and principal write-down, two barbers and why it proposed as part of the american jobs act of $15 billion project rebuild that would target construction jobs and renovation to the hardest hit neighborhoods by foreclosure.

all of these actions reflect this administration's belief, as president obama said earlier this month in kansas, that this country succeed when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, and when everyone plays by the same rules. that is what all these efforts are about. that's what this settlement is about, and it's why i'm proud to stand with my partners here today. thank you. and now i'd like to invite up to the podium attorney general lisa madigan. ..

across this country. lisa, thank you for your leadership. thank you for joining us today. >> for the past year-and-a-half, have litigated a fair lending lawsuit against countrywide for discriminating against african-american and latino borrowers in illinois. so i am a very pleased to join the justice department's landmark settlement with bankamerica over these claims. the settlement is a significant step in federal and state efforts to hold mortgage lenders accountable for the devastation that they've caused american families and their finances. when country wide was the largest mortgage lender in the nation, it was the leading lender of fraudulent subprimal loans that were at the heart of the collapse of our housing market and the resulting in implosion of our economy. as alleged in my lawsuit, countrywide charged higher rates on their mortgages and sold the poorest quality loans to african-american and latino

borrowers. in fact, my investigation and analysis of loan data found that african-americans and latino borrowers were three times more likely than similarly credit situated white borrowers to receive a high cost subprimal from countrywide. in fact an independent report on high-cost lending in the chicago area found african americans earning more than $100,000 a year were more likely to be placed into a high-cost loans than a white person earning less than $35,000 a year. even when borrowers of colored received prime loans from countrywide, they often paid more for them through higher interest rates and fees than it did similarly situated white borrowers. because farda was of color had far greater chance of being sold to a higher price toxic low-income african-american and latino homeowners not only paid more for their mortgage up front, but they also paid a much higher price now. no one who looks at the numbers can dispute the community of color has been hit hardest by

the foreclosure crisis and will feel its effects longer. according to a recent study from the center for responsible lending, african-american and latino homeowners are more than twice as likely to lose their homes as white borrowers. in chicago and cities throughout our nation, we see too many african-american and latino neighborhoods where board of houses, more out number of homes occupied by families. these devastated neighborhoods are some of the most powerful evidence of the destructive and lasting effects of discriminatory mortgage lending. it is on behalf of the current and past presidents of these neighborhoods and l.a. that i join with the department of justice in today's nationwide settlement. the settlement of holds the basic american tenet of justice and fairness for all. people's access to credit and terms of their credit should be determined on a fair and equal basis, not on the basis of the color of the borrowers sedan. when mortgage lenders violate

our states and nations anti-discrimination law, they will be held accountable. i want to thank my consumer fraud attorneys for working diligently and passionately on this lawsuit since march of 2008 when we sent out our subpoena. and i commend the attorney-general holder and assistant attorney general for assistance rights for their commitment to this investigation and to bringing this historic nationwide settlement to fruition. i also want to commend the secretary shaun donovan for the work he has done and will continue to do to eliminate the terrible impact that we are having from this housing crisis. thank you. >> we will take any questions that you might have. >> did you say that since this was the largest in history, what was previous to the largest? second come is illinois's sood being dropped as part of the settlement?

>> the second question, yes, an illinois, we were at the table with attorney general madigan in that settlement will resolve the issues and illinois. the largest settlement we had previous to this in a residential fair lending case involved the two subsidiaries of aig and the amount was $6.1 million in that particular case. >> the 10,000 borrowers that first year of the sub prime loans, will they get higher compensation, and the overall compensation if you figure it out it sounds to be about $1,700 per borrow. do you think that's enough given the higher fees and interest rates and other things that they faced since the loans were made? >> victims of steering will in fact get higher compensation because the harm was greater. so, for instance, in california in the attorney's district, the amount of harm will be greater because the home values at that

point were greater, and as a result home loans were greater. and the impact, frankly, of the movement and to the toxic loans was the much greater. so absolutely. the victims of steering well in fact receive more. and this is the first case in which we have included a claim involving residential steering which is really one of, as i said, the most abusive practices in the industry. the amount of money that someone will get in the pricing context will obviously depend on the work that lies ahead coming into could range from a few hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars. frankly, the amount of money is one important thing to compensate for what ever effectively amounted to the race-based surtax. but the principle is far more

important or equally important, i should say, because no equal credit opportunity is equal credit opportunity coming and when people are denied that, we will aggressively move forward. this is -- the money in this is important. the 335 million is exponentially higher than the most recent settlement or the settlement i referred to. the money is only part of the story here coming into the story is about ensuring that latino and african-american communities, who as secretary donovan pointed out, were the hardest hit, have opportunities to realize the american dream. >> the internal company documents and e-mails that leave any of the south that you were able to leave you? >> can't really comment on that at this time. i think that the complaint speaks for itself. the complaint really speaks for itself and i've described the complaint.

>> can you tell us anything about the servicing settlement with aig and where that stands? >> yeah, i am happy to address that. i think one of the things that's particularly important about today's announcement is that it demonstrates that while the servicing discussions that we are having are part of a similarly aggressive and far-reaching set of investigations come investigations that included ten federal agencies, as well as a large number of the state attorneys general, and that they are aimed at the same results in terms of accountability, and in terms of substantial help to families and to the housing market more broadly. one of the things that makes clear, which i think has been misunderstood, is that these discussions and the investigations that we've done

around the servicing violations are one piece of the broad pattern of the conduct that led to the housing crisis, and that any settlement discussions we have will not limit or stop us from pursuing as aggressively as we possibly can all of the remaining issues that led to the crisis. the fair lending violations, the origination and securitization violation, none of which from the federal side would be constrained or limited by those issues that we are discussing with in the servicing settlement. and so, the scale of those claims is one small part of the potential recovery that we could have. in terms of the status of those discussions, which i would say is we continue to make good progress on those. we have continued to work closely with the state attorneys general, and i but expect that

in the very near future we will be able to come forward with more public discussions of exactly where we are on that subject. >> so, just i don't know if i'd understand the answer about -- for the people that were steered is it purely a dollar settlement, people will get checks of what ever amount, or is there an element for people who are paying higher rates that are locked in to 30 years of higher rates because of these steerers? >> the settlement does not contain any provisions such as you are referring to. this is a settlement that will compensate victims for the loss that they incurred and there's not the need for come jumped of relief which is usually part of course of it because countrywide no longer exists. >> mr. attorney general, on a different subject, will street journal reported that they infiltrated u.s. chamber of commerce specifically targeting the asia policy analysts. i'm just wondering how concerning this is and what the

part of justice can do as part of the investigation into that intrusion. >> well i don't want to necessarily comment on any specific -- the specifics of what you raised, but we have announced on a number of occasions both in the concern that we have and programs to meet those concerns dealing with the interested in pact, potentially intrusive impact of cyber attacks, hacking into a variety of the private or in governmental institutions here in the united states. this is something we are really focused on. it is a 21st century priority. as one looks at what the possibilities are both with regard to infrastructure, critical infrastructure as well as other governmental and private entities this is something we have to be concerned about and it is something that we are focusing a great deal of attention on. it is something the national security council, which i said, focus is a great deal of

attention. >> does this put countrywide's problems behind bankamerica? are there any other investigations related to countrywide's activities that the justice department has at this point? >> again, we've dealt with their fair lending matters and the settlement explicitly indicates that this settlement disposes of fair lending issues during the relevant period of 2004 up to the end of 2008. so that is the focus of this particular settlement. any other matters outside the scope of the settlement would not be covered. >> mr. attorney general, with regard to the ndaa and the writing of the regulation, does the department then anticipate in, can you tell us whether you believe the problems you've described and others have described with the law --

>> the first of to look where the law and did and where it started. we made a really substantial progress in moving from something there was really unacceptable to the administration to something with which we still have problems, but i think that through the creation of these procedures, these regulations the we will be crafting i think we can minimize the problems that will actually affect us in an operational way. but working with our partners in the national security committee get fenestration and listening, having people on the hill listen to the concerns that we raise, we really have moved a substantial way from that which actually got the president to talk about the potential for the veto. so you're at a better place. the regulations procedures will help, and then we will also have a signing statement from the president but will clearly delineate how we view this as well. >> we have time for one more question. >> can you give a quick update

about wikileaks on the justice department investigation right now? >> i think given the dependency on what's going on in the military side would be inappropriate to comment about where we stand. [inaudible] >> are there any other fair lending investigations?

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and so when you are standing in a part trying to speak toa thou 100,000 people your voice doesn't -- so if you can't have any amplified technology, use ye amplification of the people and so it was established as a means of one person speaks and the rest of the group speaks the d it message again and itthe ree carries furtherder. that is where it comes from. it is not a means of harassment or anything else. when politicians are being mic checked, it is a means of making the people involved in the discussion, not separate from the discussion. as part of a discussion with a large group of people, we have

to be able to speak without other people speaking over us, so we have hand gestures that allow us to express appreciation or like of a topic. this light of the topic. not sure about the topic. if we veer off topic, it is point of process. if we are discussing something and it is a piece of information that needs to be introduced, point of information. we do have one that when somebody is speaking out and there needs to be a direct response to that, it is a direct response. the topic appropriately. this is a participatory

democracy. everybody has a voice. all nee reva diaz invoice and we all need to be able to respect each other so we don't speak over not speak over each other. that is what the hand signals are for. ok. and there is a consensus process that is involved in coming to any conclusions for the group, or as a general process of coming to a vote on a topic. there is a call for a vote. you can use support, not support. there is also block. that is the most stopping of the process you can do. it means i find this detrimental to the process or movement in general and will remove myself from the process if this continues. this is not a means of stopping the process from working. that is we need to discuss this and work it out so it is no longer a problem for people involved.

clarifying question? >> the words democracy and consensus -- how those compatible or exclusive to each other? >> well, yes. this has been debated, at least, before. i would definitely recommend taking a look at plato. he does not have a very positive portrayal of democracy. but athenian democracy is a democracy where the people, the citizens of athens, had the capability of participating in the democracy on a daily basis. whoever showed up was there. it is not represented tory -- it is not representative. if you are a citizen, you have a right to participate in a democracy. you show up on a daily basis and discuss what is going on. all people have a right to say

and affect the change in government. the consensus process, to me, is something that has been somewhat newark to the athenian democracy process. it comes from a separate tax system. but that is another mill you of information. -- it comes from a socratic system. but that is another milieu of information. it is to get past specific to those things we share in common. this is another hand sign we have to keep in mind. if you cannot hear from where you are in the audience, this is turn up the volume. the consensus process is trying to get everybody to agree on the issue, and ending thanks to the point where we can agree on them.

-- amending things to the point where we can agree on them. is there another question? stand aside? if we are rambling -- >> use the microphone. >> if we are rambling -- stand aside or abstained. there is a sign for you are not going to block it, but you are not necessarily going to participate in it. that is stand aside or abstain. point of information? >> when are we going to get to work groups? >> first, but we have basically got to introduce each individual group, and see what each individual group is participating in. the next process we have is

sarah jane, who wishes to discuss a topic for us to either support or become interested in. clarifying question? >> the different groups that go up here, can they be quick about it? it is a quick, 5 minute thing. >> i would say about a minute. >> 325 minutes? -- three to five minutes? >> ok. any more questions before we move on to each group introduction? if you are from a group in the area, do your point of information, and we will put you on the stack. come up and do it. >> i am up here first.

make a note. you will have to come up here. i will just bring up and talk about what we are doing for the primary. i know we are going to get into more details later, but we are here today to talk about what we are doing. i will give a brief play out. we're going to be occupying the primary from friday january 6 through tuesday january 10, which is the day of the primary itself. the four day event is structured around to our time slots. these to our -- these 2 hoir time slots will allow groups from the region -- new york, boston, portland, and at burlington, and new hampshire as well. that is what these time slots are there for. they are also for community advocacy groups, new hampshire

citizens alliance, lgbt community, and another group of disabled new hampshire citizens, an advocacy group. that is the layout. it is a two hour time slot. what i would discuss at this point is the layout with provided. if people from each group could talk about where they meet. you could give more color than i have about what you are doing. i think everybody knows in manchester where we meet and what we are up to. i would like to open it up to rs, and weoccupie will find out who is here and who is not.

>> i am mary ann o'connor. i am from the occupied alachua. this last week, we had our first ga and establish ourselves as occupy nashua, in solidarity with occupy new hampshire and others throughout the country and the world. let's see. we have a few points of information so far. we are having an event in nashua called 99% aware. the new hampshire archdiocese's recognized this event and invited other church groups to attend. we are really happy about that. is anyone else from nashua here? a lot of them. we did discuss at our first ga what we would like to do, what

we would like to contribute to the primary. is been here? is ryan here? our group had been sort of -- had broken off into looking at ways to call attention to a lot of the anti-gay sentiment that has been in the ad campaigns. we are really fired up about this. what can we do? we thought we could go to the airport, maybe, and meet some of them, a gay pride welcome to new hampshire type of thing. but we just thought here we are organizing on facebook. all of their security guys are going to be looking at us, watching what we are doing. our plan would be exposed and that probably would not work out. we thought maybe we could have some type of cried rally -- pride rally.

there is a group we have been volunteering for. that is what we voted for at our first ga, that our contribution would be family pride oriented on the seventh. if anyone wants information, come see me. we have a couple of other groups that have signed up with us. i will tell you about that later. i could talk all day. that is about it. >> john? >> [inaudible] i am representing the 99%. we know who the 1% are. the 0.1% i would define as the american oligarchy, which would include mitt romney as a $6 million a year earning.

dismantle the illegitimate, unfair, and incorrect legal structure. lawyers know what i mean about that. look at the difference between the marginal tax rate and what they end up paying. shut down the offshore tax evasion havens, which means the cayman islands and places like the irs cannot get at them. sue the oligarchs for fraudulent tax shelters that these lawyers at the what and touche have set up. -- that deloitte and touche have set up. we recognize there is evasion ot

to make that case in one fashion or another. to be is a and there's a lot of keys to be made and i suggest people would read jeffrey winters 2011f but the oligarchy that goes in'' detail about the civil oligarchy that uses the rules of law toliy cover that uses the rule of law to cover itself from its responsibilities to the other 99%, in connection with funding for health care, education, and all sorts of things in society needs. we invite everybody to participate in that. jeffrey winter. the book is called "oligarchy, "published in 2011. this table from that shows the top 400 earners earned in 2007 tax returns, which are different from 2010 -- about a third less -- there's still remains an

astounding $334 million a year the top earners make. the top 15 earnings aren't $26 million a year, that is one- hundredth of 1%. the top one-tenth of 1 percent sign they made $400 million and up. you have the half of 1% that starts the level. the top is earning about $500,000 a year. that is all i have to say. >> can you give us some information about when you guys are going to have your meetings? >> yes. the drum group -- the student group has gone through the pressure cooker with exams and will be on winter break.

we have kind of suspended our meetings until after the break. but those of us who wish to remain active during this time are going to try to hook up with the rest of you folks and worked at the primaries and any other actions going on. >> do we have concorde? >> [inaudible] i am a constitutional officer for my county. we have been working very hard about a pass that wants to take our land by eminent domain, wants to take american land in the national forest by eminent domain.

we are few and far between there, as far as logistically. but there are a lot of people that are sympathetic. we are connecting on facebook and watching everything. i know i can get more volunteers for the primary. >> can you inform us of what group you are with, when they need, and where? >> i meet with a lot of groups. on facebook, you can find coalition against no. pass. we have been working on this for about a year. some groups blunter and break apart. there are different factions. we all have been working very hard. we occupied the state house last week on the senate bill sb 648 to strengthen eminent domain laws. it was gutted. but political campaigns, it was gutted. we are back january 18 to try to strengthen our laws against

corporations taking our land. i personally work on the foreclosures situation going on across our country. it is combined. taking your house or taking your land. that is what is happening. >> the senate bill -- >> x beasts -- sb 648. >> this will set off the new hampshire version of -- >> correct. absolutely. that decision was in connecticut, where pfizer use eminent domain to take a home they did not want to sell to expand their facilities. a supreme court decision was handed down. the property was never built or expanded on. refuse from hurricane irene is now being stored in a woman's house. there is a movie coming out called "the little pink house."

, new hampshire's constitution says that no for-profit organization can take someone's land for profit, and this bill was gutted last thursday. going forward, they just gutted it. now it is going to the full senate. it really -- it destroys our constitution. please get involved. >> thank you. >> i wonder if you and others could speak -- >> my name is kelly, and i am in grafton county. >> i know there are other people from the county who are here. i would be interested in knowing where there are occupied groups in the area. >> i do not know that we have a group and were up there. -- anywhere up there. that would be great.

>> another is a group in plymouth. there is a group in conway. >> it is just the facebook page occupied the north country. there are links with information there. >> not to get too far into details -- >> from the start, there has never been a set course. i call it the slithering snake. it is going to go the path of least resistance. the protection of the forest -- a lot of coalition support. thank you. >> thank you. >> we have another local crew wishes to present? >> my name is john cavanaugh.

>> my name is terry franklin. i am not technically with the group. but other issues of been brought up now. we see not everything is an economic issue. there are civil rights issues also. i represent the freedom bus caravan, who deals with drug policy issues, the drug war. we will be bird dogging the candidates. in cooperation, hopefully close cooperation with you guys, here from now until the election. thank you. >> hey, guys. i am representing in movement called the wolf pack.

i met some of you guys. it was started by jake of the young turks. we have just one goal, basically, that i think a lot of us can get behind. it is basically just getting corporate money out of politics. it is pretty important. our plan, basically, is to have 3/4 of the state's offer a convention, just for the purpose of passing an amendment with no loopholes that says no money. each person is going to have a certain amount of money they condone it. that will not everybody's voice can be drawn up by millions of dollars. all these opinions are great, but do not mean anything if someone has a billion dollars and disagrees with you. we are having our first rally on january 21 at the state house. it is the anniversary of

citizens united court case. even international corporations can spend unlimited amounts of money to influence our campaigns. you can find me on facebook at the wolf pack in hampshire. it is also a website. that is it. january 21, hopefully some of you guys can make it. thank you. >> my name is haqqani albert. i am part of the manchester area, concord. is there anybody else here from concord? the occupied concord group has been meeting weekly. at this week's meeting, they decided they would like to have a workshop on bird dogging skills, which i will be leading

on monday evening at park street, on the third floor at 6:00 p.m. and everybody is welcome to come to that if you would like to. i am with the american service committee and would be able to lead workshops on the bird dogging in the field, which i can do in manchester or other parks, if we can find time to do that. we can talk about that later, if you like. >> the bird dogging? >> my credentials are i have been doing it for about nine years. anyway. so. >> when and where do occupy concord made? >> date met at 4 park street in the america votes office. it has been shifting from place to place. you have to check the facebook page and be on the e-mail list

to find out where the upcoming meetings are. >> other locations? >> sort of. [laughter] i am not exactly with when an group.y i am with the drone awareness project. i have been going to gop events. between the predator drone, i can say nobody knows what they are talking about. i have experience if you have any questions. the other thing i wanted to offer as something available -- i do a radio show called "making waves.

it aired an hour or two ago in portsmouth. i use some of the audio from the exeter event. you might want to hear some of that. what is that? oh yes. i am sorry. also there is a occupy radio. doesdoes anyone know when it ai? 10 to midnight on saturday. pardon me. the one other thing i wanted to mention from doing the news this morning, which you would hear, a memo put out by a lobbyist group trying to do, what did they call it? basically, looking for--- some kind of focus groups for-imagery

around occupy groups. and there were concerns that we could organize and effectively knows that the democratic and/or republican parties would stop supporting wall street. but the obama administration will not accept a 0.1% tax on transactions. >> [inaudible] >> $850,000. >> any other occupy groups that want to give a status? or introduce yourself? i see none. >> i guess then we should probably introduce and then move on to what groups? ok. the lady of the hour.

>> hello, my name is sarah jane, the executive director of the granite state organizing project. your host for this morning are this afternoon's meeting your the granite state organizing project is a statewide association of organizations and labor organizations and non- profit groups. we're working on a primary for the next few weeks and i just wanted to share with you the work that we are doing on the primary. as i said, we are in association with labor organizations and church organizations, so we address things that directly affect our values. what we're saying is that presidential candidates need to stand with everyday people. romney, a gingrich, and other presidential candidates have proposed privatizing medicare and social security all advocating tax breaks for the wealthy. they are out of touch with everyday people who rely on

these essential programs. including my father very our nation created so security and medicare because we wanted a country where people look out for one another. we wanted an america where work paid off, where responsibility was rewarded by a decent life, modest savings, and ears of your retirement -- and a secure retirement. we did not want a nation where are elderly to die -- died in poverty in subsisted on cat food. these ideas are of risk. a small fraction of our population has driven our economy to the brink. we need leaders who will stand with us not stand with the wealthiest of the nation. instead, we have politicians who climbs also security and medicare are broken and they want to hand them over to the bankers and financiers because our economic crisis. social security, medicare, and

medicaid are not broken. there must the affected programs that america has predict congressional budget office says that these problems need only minor change won't -- changer -- minor changes to he will work for future generations. also security and medicare are a large part of what makes of middle-class america possible and we will not stand by and see these programs destroyed. so our platform is stand with everyday people, do not make us is also security, medicare, medicaid, create jobs, put people back to work so that more money goes into the social security fund, make social security stronger, lift the payroll cap on social security so that high earners pay their fair share, and this will make social security solvent for decades, and let the bush era tax cuts expire. these task as for people and make more than to under $50,000 a year has -- is part of what is causing our so-called federal

budget deficit. that is our platform for the primary and the activities we are going to be doing a lot -- we aborted begun in. we have been bird dogging the whole year, but these activities, we have regular everyday citizens writing letters to the editor in all the newspapers across new hampshire. we're going on talk radio, already have some shows set up for next week, we're going on conservative and liberal and progressive, we do not care. we're going on talk radio. we're going on cable tv, public access shows, we're visiting the offices of all of the candidates that have offices in the state. we will visit their offices with regular ordinary people who survive on social security, medicare, medicaid and talk with them about our platform. and this is something else you might not know. the abc is setting up -- adc is setting up a permanent station

and we are encouraging all groups want to get their word out to stop by manchester city hall and chat with reporters from now until the primary. and then on the saturday, the seven, when there will be the last republican debate in this state, we're going have an action, visibility action in the so-called free speech area that they will allow us to be a part of that the debate and then we will have a debate watching party where we get together and have hot chocolate and watch the debate and what -- and talk about what they are doing. that is all open stuff. they will try to use this opportunity that new hampshire has by having this first in the nation primary to get our message about social security, medicare, medicaid, and our politicians need to stand with everyday people. thank you for inviting me to be with you today. any questions, let me know.

>> [inaudible] >> the granite state organizing project is that facebook page. or you can e-mail me at granite stateop. thank you. [applause] >> which it also said that if anyone feels the need to talk to anyone who has spoken today, if you can meet them after the meeting are get their contact information that our website as we're leaving, or after we do the workshop. network, this is part of what we're doing it. talk to each other and get connected so that we can better effect change by working with each other. update. next we are moving on to the workshop, i believe. but we are going to do, i am

going to call of different groups and we will have primary planning over here, and whoever is in charge of that, sparkle? of it. -- ok. media attack will be over here. -- media tech will be over here. legal aid will be back there. logistics, paul, right there. and i will be in the back corner rather with art and morale. >> how long -- how long should small groups take? >> what time you have now? we were looking at approximately an hour. if at any given time that seems too short, we will -- i will come back up here in an hour and ask people need more time.

>> has appointed affirmation or suggestion, there is a group that he just mentioned. hit you feel you are in a legal aid in your of discussed a they want talk about, feel free to come over to come over to the group will be at the camera, general primary. >> if anyone has to be gone by 4:15, i need to lock the doors. >> thank you. >> on the facebook page, instructions about [unintelligible] >> that was the legal entity, in the back -- back there in the red sweater, and so if we want

to cut time to work groups for 45 minutes, and then if it becomes urgent, we can network. we will reconvene afterwards and discuss the topics we went over in work groups for a few minutes. you are in part. -- art. he is an logistics. back there, we have a legal and police. media tech is up here and primary planning is right up front.

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>> what are we doing? >> i do not know when it a facilitator, but some sort of structure. i mean, i open before the fact that we structured the meeting around two hours timeslot, and we could start with comments from veterans from peace, discussing what timeslot their protest chosen. for januaryeduled 9, and monday, from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. and better as part. i hope we do not have a snowstorm that day. -- in veterans park, i hope we do not have a snowstorm to date.

moneytalking about the that we are spending and have spent on -- i think ron paul said 900 plus military bases overseas. who knows? there are so many. we think that money should be expended here at home has darden marked with the king said on programs of social uplift, not having our military go around the world destroying countries, destroying people, and it said, take that money and use it for job training, use it for affordable housing, use it for education, all life affirming activities. we hope you come to our workshop. we're talking about u.s. foreign policy. >> if you want to start with reports with already has been

scheduled, that is the way to go. do we have other ideas of topics -- make sure that. >> an agenda idea? >> i do not know if you already have one, but is there a bullet point list of things that someone says, talking points? >> it was distributed earlier. it has within it the general statement so far. i think broadly, it says in the press release that occupied new hampshire is concerned about the disproportionate -- occupy new hampshire is concerned about the disproportionate influence of the top one percent in our political process.

whether it is empire 14 hours or sarah jane's program, but the main topic is a disproportionate influence. >> this is the time to hear it. i expected to be here. i suggest that we have some agenda items and then go back to where we started and talk about what people are already envisaging for time slots. kurt, you have another topic? >> i thought we were talking about things that were already scheduled. >> that would be great. go ahead. >> some of you may know him. it is done a tv show, democracy in empire, and basically an alternative polling booth in which people to vote would vote

for democracy or they would vote for empire, and ask them other questions as well. what we're trying to do is organize that in every polling place around the state. >> how do we get in touch with him if you want to get involved with that project? >> i have got is contact information if you wanted. i have got his fund. i can give the dead. just -- i have got his phone. i can give you that. justice second. -- just a second. there is a website. democracyorempire.org.

>> i am windy and we have a drum circle, a slot on saturday, and anyone who wants to help us with a percussion instrument, you can join us, because it is a wonderful, magical things. it is a good time to let us be heard literally. it can be heard when we have a drum circle in manchester. they attract attention and we're all together as one. i'm looking for anyone that will posted on the occupy new hampshire facebook page, and i will keep looking to show up at

the allotted time, 3:00 on saturday before the general assembly that day. will allow for other activities if possible. i ask anyone, professionalism troubles -- particularly professional drummers as well. african drums, whatever, you can join in. we have a wonderful community building event. >> on saturday, from one o'clocks to 2:30 p.m., occupy occupy wall street claim that. and then tentatively we are what mary and talked about earlier, the march, part of the lgbt march, at 2 at 30 p.m. on saturday.

so if you can incorporate that, we will bring your information. >> maybe, mark, you could clarify for how we sign up for the slot in the process? >> if if you can -- we strongly encourage to make it to our regional n. manchester. we will take your information. >> are there other things that are already on the schedule that would be helpful>> for us to knr about? >> yes we are little bit muddy here because of the facilitator for the day energyy primary point, and katy ferrero, she was ill this morning so that is why we don't have ant schedule. ill

today. so we do not have that at this point. you can posted if you are interested, facebook, it is on the facebook, occupy the new hampshire primary on facebook. >> full words. occupy the new hampshire primary. >> if you want to propose something, you will know the open slots. >> great. >> before we get to the primary, [unintelligible] manchester pd, [unintelligible] this will affect the primary and

not just manchester but the entire people the will to come to the primary. i wanted to let you know that there is [unintelligible] you can talk about it or ignore them, [unintelligible] we're going to do the whole y.cupy primary bria it's very important to discuss that. >> anybody interested in meeting what the police either the station or we will find some more neutral ground after this meeting? please give your number to

cecilia. and more affirmation, we will keep you in touch to make it in town for a meeting. >> the last time, it was clear there was not dialogue between occupy and the manchester pd. [unintelligible] nobody told us that they would be arrested. >> another group was going to talk about legal stuff. the one hand -- a woman who had

that tentative information for the meeting, he has been great, the captain, of the manchester police, he is very professional. he has proposed a time. i cannot recall a period can have the information and she had to leave earlier. -- i cannot recall if. jan had the information and she had the lead. we will get that information to you. >> melissa? schedule? >> scheduled for friday? we pulled up on the fund. -- pulled it up on the phone.

5:00 p.m. is the welcome, 6:00 is entertainment, 8:00 this still open, and then saturday, 9/11, i am sorry, i am sorry. mike check. friday, january 6, 5:00 p.m. as the welcome, 6:30 p.m., a man's and entertainment, 8:00 p.m. is still open, and saturday, the 9:00 a.m. is open, 11:00 a.m. is still open. 1:00 p.m. is a lecture on how to build a strong movement. 2:30 p.m. is the march to centers college, 5:00 p.m. is our general assembly, sorry,

7:00 p.m. is that your prerecession for the american dream at the college during the primary debate. and the node is please where morning attire -- mourning attire of all possible. the marriage between the person, 11:00 a.m. as " and, 1:00 is up and, at 3:00 p.m. is open, 5:00 this are general assembly, 7:00 p.m. is open. and then monday, january 9, we have 9:00 a.m. open, 11:00 a.m. is still open, 1:00 p.m. is the veterans for peace talks on u.s. farm policy, 3:00 p.m. is open, ibm is general assembly, 7:00 p.m. is open, and then tuesday, january 10, primary day, 9:00 a.m. is up and, everything is open this up for 5:00 p.m., are

general assembly as of right now. i can give you the e-mail address if you do have anything put on the schedule. that is oc cupythehnprimary@gmail .com. >> who is organizing the funeral for the american dream? >> manchester g-8 is how bad is getting plant origin and that a saturday. ga, that as a strapping, that is one to beat -- we're going to be marching to there and we're going to be going to the debate itself. so this will open up a little bit, to say that this schedule always be updated and revise, so

keep going to the facebook event page, occupied the new hampshire primary. it will be completely updated. >> the calendar is on their plus updates. one of my a dream things, i do not know how facilitate this, is to have a march that is again community building, for all of occupy, all that chance and signs and walking to the candidate offices, and the traditional occupy march. if some groups like to facilitate that, that would be grand on sunday. it is very community building and it attracts people, it's our point across. just putting it out there. >> who is occupy concord here?

the national league of women voters president is having a function on patriarchy and they're asking george stephanopoulos to facilitate the forum after the movie, and the president will be in concord. but that this site will have national attention on sunday. >> just on january 8, that monday in concord will be the debate at the capital center for the arts. i did not hear there is anything scheduled for that time slot on the morning of the eighth. if not, i would like to propose to have some discussions with the agenda for later. >> sunday morning, during the --

it is scheduled right now, it is not been updated, so we walk shifted marriage to corp., 9:00 in the morning, so it is what is going on. two big national debates, one on saturday and one sunday in concord in the morning. so on the morning of, we're not clear what the time is, but i know it is being hosted by -- nbc and facebook. meet the press program. i think it is -- i'm getting times like 9:00 and 10:00, but it is important to have our presence there. it will be really important. it is going to be a lot of media there. i think that is really important to get some members there.

i think it is a great idea to do it the wedding in that time slot in the morning. is that what you're talking about? >> if is scheduled for then so we will keep it open and see what happens. >> deal freed from the conquered groups to lobby hard for concord taking that time slot or another time slot. and also sergei and could have a chance to meet with their group on saturday and said way there. -- segue their. >> on saturday, we're going to be in the free speech area at .he st. anselm's college sometimes we leave the free- speech arianna and stand on the street and waited people. they cannot stop you from standing on the street.

we hope to go to a location near or on campus to watch the debate together and we will invite the media to come and interview the people who are watching the debate. it is an intergenerational, interracial group, college students watching the debate together and talking about how these issues affect their lives. and if you get a ticket, you do not have to pay for the ticket but you have to be registered as a republican or an independent and apply online to get the ticket. >> go to the website of the new hampshire institute of politics and navigate from there. that will get yourself into a lottery to get a ticket. it will be competitive in a might be too late already, but it is worth a try.

in and what you began, you cannot speak. >> or they will kick you out. >> they will reject it. >> disrupt the process, why not. >> if you cannot get in that way, for point of information, the website that has the ticket information, we put it on the facebook about two weeks ago, and several of us tried to get tickets. they allow you to get up to four tickets, but as sara jane said, all speculating myself, they are going to scream your name against who is an independent or republican. if your democratic registered, you will probably not get into that. how much more time to we have before we get back again with the main group? >> all of these blocks have to be in manchester? >> they are in veterans park for

four days straight, but at the national debate, we're going to be going there as well as at veterans park setting up satellite feeds of bird dog units. veterans park is a staging area, but also, it is a staging area for bird dogging throughout the area. >> veterans park or victory part? veterans. we wanted to do one more during one of the tuesday time slots. >> right now the plans for the march, the perception on saturday is one thing that is already on the schedule, to consider them songs. -- st. anselm's.

-- it is a great that there is a coroneted presence, but a people organize these and other parts of the state, it is up to them to do that and they do not need permission from ga in manchester to organize something in bethlehem or in concord or and conway. >> that conway group will -- jindal league of women voters is 4:00-6:00 that the community college auditorium. >> just to let you know about that, excellent, good. great. >> there will be a lot -- there will be tons of stuff going on and other national groups like the league tried to set things up with a group that you like, you might want to go and join them, and you might want to go in protest them. so pay attention to the news and

there will be lots of stuff for everybody to do. ed will talk about what he is doing. >> then i thought we could listen to ed talk about his ideas. >> i have to talk and some people with the manchester, it would be really great to organize the program, 2012 is the year of a couple of. there was a wonderful opinion piece about cooperative businesses. if anyone can connect with me about cooperatives at utility companies and the state or in new england, that i think and act with, other cooperative businesses, but do we get have a panel discussion. i think it would be a good program, maybe even in hanover. i'm elizabeth and get with me afterwards.

>> i would say that if anyone here, because it was not discussed, and the logistics, but if you're not from the manchester or part of an occupy group, please fill welcome to reach out and talk to people. if you have connections to community aphids to sigrid's, really reach out and tried to -- advocacy groups, really reach out and try to get them on board. the better integrated our movement will be in the primary, that is the reason why we're doing it, not just by the -- not just for the primary but to build a movement. i wanted to do a time check here. we would give ourselves and our? ok, we have about 15 minutes left in hopefully everyone can get together. tell us about your idea. >> yes, come closer.

all right. i have these pollens and they symbolize something important. is what politicians run on, isn't it? they are full and they are big of rigid big balloons and full of promises. but when the hot air is over, this is what we got. i am passing around something that is familiar to a number of you, including brother alfred here, the moderator of some of our tv programs on channel 23. they had been shared with all state for community access tv and the 35 community access channels all over the state. so let me pass this around, because i would encourage people to go to the website, democracy orempire.org.

hello. so there might not be enough for everybody, but we have enough for every person's need but not every person's agreed. look at this as it goes past. " we tried to do is provide reality to a great analyst, thomas johnson by name. thomas johnson or wrote a wonderful trollope's -- trilogy, starting with blowback, and nemesis. the last one. this brilliant man, a conservative and politically, said that the country needs to decide whether it is going to be an empire or democracy. cannot be both. and what we tried to present in this series is the best analysis

that we could by people that have a public interest to explore that. some of the first was the cost of four. the second, the cost of intelligence. then the cost of defense and finally democracy or empire. these will be broadcast on the day after christmas and the day after new year's. and this is supposed to be in one of the weekly newspapers. but as we talked about this, we ask, how will the rubber hits the road? even as we interviewed different president to candidates that we have been doing, and put this on our television program to try to share information, how are we really going to empower people to say, wait a minute, i do not like that? this is what i want, or i want democracy, very strongly. no wind pirate king. -- no empire thing.

when january 10, we would and by different groups that are also interested in democracy, for example, occupy, to contribute questions and put these on a ballot. and after people vote for president, they would be offered a ballot, hopefully at every polling place in new hampshire, how many people know how many that is? >> two to 35? >> not bad. you should get a candy bar. it is a little more than 300. but that is very doable. the person is offered a ballot to vote on the future of america. because adelaide thomas johnson's analysis is that we have already decided, we have decided on empire. and it is too late. i do not think so -- i do not

think that we would be here for not optimists. i see some gray hairs in the crowd and i remind you, for those of us that had education in the 1950's and were trained to duck and cover and thought that it meant any minute, added the second, this could be the end of life as we know it. really come alive on our planet, because suddenly the nuclear warheads started, who would have bet the family farm that in our lifetime, the soviet union, our archenemy and tools we would be a war with, and nuclear war, devastating, that suddenly it would disappear? it would become russia. i should know because my winter home in st. petersburg, florida, named after saints petersburg, russia. so on monday, i approached our occupy and at a general

assembly, we discussed occupy being a part of the severed. my hope is that occupy has two questions or three questions, no more than 10 questions, and our group will have one or two questions. we are inviting the afl-cio, the labor movement, to contribute a question, may be on should there be in new hampshire a living wage job guaranteed to every american car to mark remember, that was an fdr plank that never -- he died before he could really share that. but we are inviting, and there are three of us here that have a wonderful clipboard, and if you are from rockingham county, anybody here from rockingham? yes?

well, ok. we have a county coordinator for rockingham and he is going gangbusters. we do not need many volunteers but you are an angel. you could help him. we will put you up with him, ok? but for the other counties, we have the beginning of of organization here in hillsboro. we have a wonderful new leader in merrimack, and glenn is right behind me, so we're beginning to pick a debt of this structure. to put together the structure. my hope is that through that, borrowing, and stealing, stealing in a joking way for our cameras, we're going to be another raise sufficient funds so that at least half of these places there will be of veteran standing tall and helping with

this project, offering citizens of ballots. and properly ivar unemployed or homeless veterans who will be paid at least the minimum wage. and i think -- and i thank occupy new hampshire for reminding me that that needs to be the standard, at least that much. we will be offering an occupant -- an opportunity for our citizens to weigh in. and you say yourself, this is a republican primary, and all the conservatives will turn out. isn't this going to be a message that i as an occupy person will be uncomfortable with? >> i trust my neighbors. i trust the people of new hampshire to take very seriously their responsibility for choosing the next president of the united states. i trust them to make these decisions and you know what? there is a republican presidential candidate that is probably better than any

democratic presidential candidate running on this. so why -- i invite any questions ford two and minutes, 3 minutes on this project, and i will pass around -- if you think you have anywhere two hours or more on election day. >> we're depilate going to help them. we will bring some people out there, he is asking for 20 volunteers and they will not be paid, and then there will be veterans and homeless veterans and unemployed veterans who will be paid at least minimum wage. we will still be get better in part with events, but this is one of those events that we're using as a staging the event. >> we are half the process to sign up on these clip boards to

take shifts. what will be the process? >> we are reaching out. we have a number of different lists. when michael moore came to a preview in manchester hearing four years, i saw him in his town hall meeting in his press conference. i became a zealot on single payer health care and i signed up about 1000 people on a petition. >> let me repeat the question. how will people sign up for ships? >> if they sign this -- you mean these people here? if they're not here today, they can go to our website cracyorempire.org. we will have other ways to do it and we expect michael moore away and saying to let's do this.

>> [unintelligible] we're just about, can you check with the other groups? does anyone have any questions? please ask questions for anything at all. >> i apologize if your party cover this. the actual the ballot or survey, whatever you might call it, pal is that being designed and who is working on the actual content? >> it will be a coalition effort. we will work together peridots coalition members including occupy will be able to identify present -- questions that they want asked. i urge occupy to give those out. we have invited the afl-cio to contributed? two. our group will have a question or two.

we suspect they will be seven organizations. and their representatives -- occupy, that is math, he is calling. -- matt, he is still linked. we will work those questions of. just show your beautiful shirt for people. we have some of the other flyers. we can show you that handsome shirt on that handsome man, it is going to be modified with the following -- maybe i can just -- >> i need to interrupt. mic check. >> mic check. >> the time is expired. do we need to continue with the work groups are go with the

meeting? >> 5 minutes. and then we will return -- and there is no firm date but it has to be in time to printed and distributed. i'm hoping that by the end of this month that we will have the questions submitted and we will have the meeting to work out and hammer out a final question list. i think our drop date is the second root third of january. but you did not hear me say that. that is when the questions will happen. the earlier the better. we have some moderator's around the state and i should say that we met with secretary gardner yesterday, three people from occupy, several of us from democracy or empire, jan grossman, who designed that

beautiful logo on the front of his shirt, there because. she is the leader in new hampshire of new hampshire department of peace. so i think we have cleared the air. he knows what we're up to end our shirts are not electioneering. we can walk around polling places with them. we think all of what we want. we have established the ground rules. but getting some of the moderator's like in rockingham, the moderator said been contacted, what are we going to have? so we want to follow through. >> anybody else that has something to say? we have covered the ballot for 10 minutes. we have four weather days. anyone with questions our success -- for other days.

>> i am still trying to understand this. is it highly tactical or philosophical? in other words, if i am favor of collective bargaining rights for all american workers or i am in favor, i am opposed to new venture being a right to work state. i'll say that that is tactical on the other is philosophical. is it both, any, or all? >> this is going to be decided by the groups coming. what they want to ask. >> i hope it is more tactical. >> any other things that people want to bring up before we come back together to the full group? >> i can get myself down to the manchester meetings but, the notion of indirect action that we could collect cans for the new hampshire food bank, ford to

a trickle of action at veterans, another concept that i had, which i would gladly court made. >> someone who would like to be a reporter for our group to give a quick summary of what we talked about during our time to get it? but for me begin with the full -- as we meet together with the full word? -- full group? >> how are we going handle that? >> i can give it a shot. >> all right, great. >> until we meet again. while we're waiting for the other groups to come together, i want to suggest a quick dollar around if you want to say what you intended to during the period leading up to the primary, what are you excited about?

please go around. >> occupy durham. >> mic check. >> as following along the lines for citizens for tax justice, making the point that the american oligarch should not hijacked the u.s. economy. >> pass. >> because it cannot afford our own lobbyist, i see the occupy group as one big lobbyists. >> what you excited about doing? i am hoping to help people to do affected bird dogging about these issues and the 99%. >> pass. >> our attorney general finally opened his eyes and is best to getting the fraud in this country. it was announced on friday. so i intend to continue to pressure him to investigate this further for the citizens of new

hampshire. >> what you're excited about doing leading up to the new hampshire's primary? >> my focus is on getting corporate money out of politics. show up and support. i am just going to go. >> what are you going to do? >> i am trying to get volunteers for housing for people who need it during the night. i am also supporting ed's project. >> what are you going to do? >> i am working with a group that is just beginning. we are hoping to organize a march in washington, d.c. this spring. it is essentially a retired people's group at this point. i do not know if it will stay

that way. we are now working directly through occupy. >> we are getting together in the room to get new offense going. >> we are meeting people and talking with people on public access show to educate people about the military-industrial complex and how many of the 1% our military contractors who are robbing and lying. >> you? >> i am very excited for the funeral. i don't know. i am excited. >> i am wendy. >> i will be working on dealing with sopa for the next few weeks. it is dealing with censorship. that is what i am working on on my end. i am also working with occpy.

>> i am looking forward to the thing the republicans know that the movement exists here in new hampshire, not just for those city slickers. it is with these countryfolk. >> check out the fliers and information. we have several fliers for the primary. you just to point and click, print 100, and technical under never heard. you are responsible for making this movement big. thank you, everybody. >> somebody left their keys in the bathroom. >> keys track. >> , he's check. -- keys check.

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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] would you please reorganize? would you please reorganize? check. >> could you please reorganize? >> could you please revised text -- reorganize? >> ok. this meeting here, after the work groups, we are going to have a member from each of the work groups come up and discuss

what was covered in their work groups to let the rest of the meeting know what is being discussed and things that are being proposed. as we finish, we want to try to finish around 4:00. we want to get out of the building by 4:15. afterward, we can discuss amongst each other and exchange contact data. if we can have a presentation from -- i will start, i guess. our group, some of the things we were discussing -- somebody has proposed that people use the color green as a color for designating support for occupy, for those who are in the community but cannot come to the events on a regular basis. it is based on the concept of a proposal by a ruler in some part

of europe during world war two, where they had a designation of armed bands that could be put on so that all of the jewish people could be put into concentration camps and tracked down by those armbands. "we have is a case in this situation and where the ruler of that particular kingdom said to all his people we are all going to wear this armband so the cannot figure out who is and who isn't. that was the original proposal. there was the idea of arm bands to show we are all part of it, even if you cannot find us in an encampment. >> everybody would wear it all the time. if you are going to work, where an armed band. -- wear an armband. if you are going to a banquet or something, you where the army and the. people would ask about the green

arm band. then you can talk about occupy. i have a whole bunch if somebody wants them. >> trying to keep with the theme of moving quickly. you can see there is discussion of a gay pride rally, and a potential dance at the end of that. the arrangements for that are in the process. so if you want to contact, nashua is having a lot of it right now. we are looking for perhaps getting access through new hampshire institute of art for

potentially doing arts and cultural events in an auditorium. we have been discussing a people's art event, which would be a display of art by local community members, and art around occupy. at the same time, we could have poetry. satire is a form of art. there has been discussion of doing a film show of a couple of different films relative to the movement and activism in general, those types of things. there was discussion of what we have suddenly come across as an idea for what we call the people's law. that is a means by which communities of people who cannot make it to events, or disabled

individuals who cannot get out and supplied a piece of their name artistically, or the hand print or something -- it will be put onto a surface that can be carried from location to location. we are the 99 that march. these are the 99 that are the country. the idea is a mandala transport. iraq to quit, if we can get this to go further the new hampshire -- theoretically, a quick and get this to go further than new hampshire, we could get a wall with the names of all the people who support it built somewhere. i think that pretty much covered it, unless i missed anything. >> the people that are going to be making banners and posters will be starting pretty soon, so we have a humongous amount of

banners, posters, and stuff like that. >> i think we can have individuals do that as part of a committee on a regular basis, perhaps, in our individual locations. i think we also have to have a place to store them. but if people want to do this on an individual basis, i do not think we have to divide into a committee of five people them will handle all the siphonage -- all the signage. >> what about "welcome to the new hampshire occupy primaries"? >> i have atms for the credit union still in the basement. i recommend if you make signs, keep them in your car, or a

friend's cart your traveling, so you cannot just grab them, like i did today. >> who is ready to go next? anybody? >> i am sure i did. >> the events leading up to the primary and the primary itself, the most important thing to say is all of the events you can find on facebook under "occupy new hampshire primary." that site has all of the events. here is some of them. january 9, from 1:00 to 3:00, the veterans for peace. saturday, won a court to 2:30 -- 1:00 to 2:30 -- the events

are in two hour slots. there is a march after that. there will be a band after that. marriage to a corporation is going to be one event. funeral for the american dream is going to be one event. there will be a sale at the college. the organizing project will have a slot. we spent time talking about a project for an alternate voting place, and potentially as many potential polling places as possible. democracy or empire will be a series of questions. the website is democracy or empire dot org, all one word.

>> i think you covered it all. tell us about the facebook event page. i would give you an idea of what i am doing, and how i nudge people. i would like you to join me, because i do not want to do much more. the event page has already 350 people attending and has 5000 invited. many are part of occupy new hampshire. open the invited list and open a tab for each person. you say, "hello, jim smith. i am from occupy new hampshire. i hope your doing well. please rsvp join for this event, even if you cannot attend." the perception of large attendance will create a large attendance. you are creating messages for people on the invited list, try to nudge them on to the joy and

west. anybody who could help with that, or if you have proposals of anything, just type occupy the nh primary at gmail. if you know musicians, artists, and community advocacy groups, call anybody you know and collect -- connect people. it is all about connection. >> there are lots of open slots in the schedule. keep checking the facebook page to get an update. >> media attack -- media/tech? >> that is not even connected to anything. we had a pretty small group, so we did not get to cover a whole lot. "we came up with was a list of resources we want to make

available to every occupy throughout the state. that will be posted in the coming days, also on occupy your media dot com. it is a new system we are working on developing. please check that out. the resources that are going to be listed are the obvious ones like the website. there are some others that people might not know about, like the radio show. it is always looking for people to come on and speak. there are also tv shows across the state that expressed interest in having as come and speak to them on their shows. that information will be available as well. content for occupy radio is something we were talking about. it is a radio show. they are always looking for people in the weekly show, i

believe. the media team for occupy has professionals from video and audio. we came up with the idea of having a workshop before the primary. we have not worked out a location or date yet. we are just trying to gauge interest in a workshop to teach people to make professional- looking video on a shoestring budget, so that we do not get youtube videos with shaky stuff and poor audio. with a few small adjustments, we can get engaging content. that is something we are trying to hammer out. is there anything i missed? does anybody know the number? we have an occupy new hampshire hot line.

>> [inaudible] >> that is something to look into. there are a few people who know how to do that. not nearly enough. that is something we might bring up in me -- the ga's throughout the week. >> this is informational. some people are not comfortable with the media. >> i want to throw this out here. we are looking for guests' honor public, access show december 27 or january 3. -- we are looking for guests on our public access show december 27 or january 3. cl i think that is it. .. -- men talk.

>> ok. can we get legal aid? that is the police. >> there is an outstanding invitation from -- >> come to the microphone. >> there you go. >> there is an outstanding invitation from the manchester pd. we should take this seriously. whoever went to the manchester pd m dialogues with them would have no clue.

there is an opportunity for me to tell all of you. all of us is going to be on the new hampshire primary and are going to be affected with this. all of our programming and planning, if we get arrested, there is no new hampshire primary. discuss anything you like about whether we should go or we should ignore it. but we will take the risk of whatever comes up. we will take it. in the manchester ga, we have not gotten the chance to talk about it are making a resolution. and this is the best place for this, statewide. occupy manchester are going to be affected. also, the people coming to the

new hampshire primary. i wanted to let everybody know that we're not going to speak up for you there. i do not want to be the spoken here and somebody took for me. i want to talk for myself. >> clarifying question. we do record names and numbers, so maybe monday we can have a little more clarity on this. could people call and give a name and number if they were interested in meeting with the police, so we can call them monday with clarification? >> i have no problem with that. but i think it is very important that people know, because there will be affected by this. >> a response? >> i just want to point out it is quite difficult to get arrested at these events.

it is extraordinary. so do not worry much. >> we still have an aclu lawyer who is one to represent us, right? i do not know who it is. i am just saying. >> we are going to be represented by the lawyer? >> you will get more clarity on monday, if you are interested. just leave your name and number. it will happen this week, the meeting with police, if you are interested. [inaudible] the last individual on the list would be logistics. >> my name is paul.

i am sure most of you know me. wrong meeting for that. nuts and bolts. we are discussing a lot of stuff, the details of when to get together. some people are in on this that are not part of our meeting. kurt talked about we need more spaces for sleeping, because we will be host to a lot of people. we need to get a central log-on net. -- log on that. we need to communicate with other people locating food donations. also, i believe we had donation sites set up for people around the country. we will have other groups treating. they are spreading their social presence of there. people want to donate from all over the country. we should be able to set up an account for that an update that.

we also discussed possibly putting together some sort of visitor worksheet for people coming here who need to come into contact with us. if they are not want to depend on somebody's hospitality, contact info for hotels or motels, if there are availability is, and the general quality of the place. also talking about conduct and other groups. bathrooms as well. contacting local people that would be able to -- we have talked to some local businesses, and they are not that interested. but we need to approach the legality of getting part of bodies -- getting portapotties. also, people are offering their

homes to people. >> [inaudible] >> very rarely. often very dirty. i will say it is dirty. i am not going to clarify. >> there is a sheet curtis has. it is a small request for sleeping arrangements. i was wondering -- would you be willing to record a list of people who are here at this meeting who are willing to bring people into their home? it will just be a night. i think that is going to be the crucial thing that will allow policy organizers to sleep easier, knowing the people coming to this have sleeping arrangements. everyone here, if you can try to secure for yourself a list of homes. >> the was the next list of was coined to bring up. i would like to get anybody in

contact with me who would open their home or knows somebody else that would. we need a bare minimum of bathrooms to use. we are looking for any outreach, any help that can be generated. over on the left, a point of information. >> i guess if we were to solicit churches for housing and number of people -- do we have any idea of what to expect people will be bringing and what the church must provide? >> at this point, i believe most -- we will try to provide food for as many people as possible. we will try to communicate a certain level of self-reliance. from the churches themselves, the only thing we really should need is space, heat, and bathrooms.

basic toiletries and space. >> for private homes, if you have do not have a bed, a place to put them. >> this is a time between 9:00 p.m. and 9:00 a.m. >> photocopies? >> i believe we it had that the other day. that is another thing we also brought up. thank you for reminding me. if you can offer your place for visitors, we need food preparation areas as well. >> tomorrow, i will pass this out at my church. there is already something written down that is very clear. you can make your own photocopies. you can give it to whoever --

your school, your teachers. >> i will forward you this. >> i am a unh student. >> point of information. do we have any other things? >> how far out are we talking about wanting people to be? >> that is a good question. i know we have some people who offered space in exeter. within a 30 or 40 minute drive. that is not much, transportation wise. we have people who are willing to drive and people willing to stay in place. it is a totally subjective thing, and believe. -- i believe.

>> what is the public transportation situation? >> the bus in manchester, i do not know when it runs. >> monday through saturday from about 5:30 in the morning to 5:30 in the evening. on saturday, it runs until 8:00 at night and runs fewer routes. the run once an hour. the >> we are not taking it on ourselves to provide transportation. >> no. the impact on hosts will be very minimum. it is a place for them to stay, with a basic understanding that you keep it the way you came. you pick up your stuff. you do not trash the place. obviously, with the same interest and mood we have of

trying to help everybody out and be good. >> to we have availability? >> a believe this will be a supply-side thing. we will tell people we have this many spots, come down. >> slowly, we will be able to build it up. we need to have a definitive number of sleeping spots. >> the official events leading up to the primary? >> exec plan. -- exactly. upon that is one of the policies that has been named on wall street, boston, etc. -- be a nice person. anybody else have a question, points of process, or general rebuttals?

i will be quiet now. >> this is just for people to know. we do have a very substantial donation. i am trying to work in contact with her. i know she has been giving money generally. you can always hope a drive for donations. do not push yourself if you do not have the money. >> if we do get up to a certain threshold, we will possibly need food donations space. preferably, it will be dry and cool. >> also, we will be looking for -- >> to different aspects. if you are interested in being involved, there is sanitation,

possibly closing. i do not know if that will be a big issue. yes. it seems it has been enough. thank you. >> last minute, does anybody have anything that needs to be covered before we close out? ok. i think that's -- all right. >> don't put that on me, dude. that's you guys. >> unless you want to do it friday. maybe monday. >> the 26th? >> , christmas eve will be hectic. either friday or monday, i think, we could do it.

we could have a monday meeting. i am giving you the days. >> let's just do friday. saturday? sunday? monday? tuesday? wednesday? i am just trying to see. we are not getting a lot of consensus on this. >> we could take this next week off for the holiday and meet some time before the new year. >> it is just an idea. >> do we want to meet this week or after? let us go with monday the 26.

the location -- do you want to make it rick's place for now? it is? >> i don't even know. >> the same time? 1:00? >> do we need a vote on that? >> yes. >> and the blocks? monday at 1:00. >> has everybody got that? >> i had one very quick thing. this is remarkable. it is a wonderful opportunity and experience. i appreciate you talking here and giving this time. this is wicked cool. >> announcement to make.

december 21 is be sure to state of the year. it is observed nationally. there been times when those in our community have died because we cannot make sure everybody has a place to live. there will be vigils on wednesday in a concord, newport, lebanon, manchester, and another. thank you. i know the one in manchester will be in the park, i think at 6:00 p.m. back in the first phase of the encampment, we had to organize and we think all of them for their participation. >> are we good decks -- are we good? ok. let's clean up and get out.

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democrats are calling for a vote in the house on legislation to extend the 2% payroll tax cut for two more months. the senate passed that legislation saturday but house republicans are saying that instead the will to open house and senate negotiations to write new payroll tax cut legislation and they want to extend the tax cut for a full year. today we've heard from house speaker john boehner, minority whip steny hoyer and president obama and you can watch their remarks at our web site, c-span.org. we want your opinion on the payroll tax cut issue. shul speaker boehner allow a house vote on the tax-cut bill from the senate? cast your vote at facebook.com/c-span's. to of a presidential candidate jon huntsman's

daughters and wife spoke sharing personal stories from the campaign trail. from the university of massachusetts this is just over an hour. >> welcome to the university of massachusetts and the special forum featuring the family of presidential candidate jon huntsman. i am frank talty the director for public opinion here, the host of this forum. with our media partner, the boston herald, this is the latest in the series of activities undertaken this year. in september we conducted the first pole of massachusetts voters on the u.s. senate race here in massachusetts, followed by the first debate of the democratic candidates for senate on october 4th. earlier this month we conducted our second poll on that race and we will continue to follow this important campaign, one that has caused considerable national attention. we also want adama the university of lowell public

affairs come special events offices for their special support of the forum and thanks to our good friends at the time the media come to this program is being webcast live over the web site at www.uml.edu and the boston herald website at www.bostonherald.com. a live chat will also be streaming. we are pleased to have to of the herald's top political reporters with us this afternoon. they will introduce our guests and moderate the program. so please welcome hillary. >> on our live chat we will be taking questions for the distinguished panel. we will also be taking questions from twitter at jon2012girls which kicks off and introduces the first point how we are all here. >> yeah. i also want to remind you in the

audience please come ask questions. that's what we are here for. we want to get some insight from the family. so if you get a chance lineup. the mic is right over there and please, come ask your question. the first thing we want to do is introduce you guys. i told you can introduce yourself and just talk a little bit about, you know, not all families want to be involved in the campaign and so talking a little bit about why you wanted to be involved in this campaign. t want to start? >> ibm liddy huntsman and im of their daughter of the family. and i made recent graduate of the university of pennsylvania. and i decided i've never really been in politics. i mean, i've grown up in it, but when i graduated this year and may, for the first time i realized the mess our country is in right now. the unemployment, health care

taxes, i had to wake up and realize that's kind of reality. and i think more than ever i wanted to be involved in politics, and so that's why i really excited to be on the campaign right now. i really confident about my dad. i really truly believe he's the best one for the job, so that's why i jumped on right away to get my graduation to come right straight on to the campaign trail. i excited about it. and also starred in the social -- twitter, to kind of reach out to the younger generation i think social media is like the big new thing for this campaign election cycle, so i really excited to be doing it with my sisters. >> i'm the mom. i'm not the daughter you were hoping to be a peer. i apologize, she is home in bed with the flu. she wishes she could be here but i'm happy to deal with all of you and to be the mom to these incredible girls. we've had so much love on the

campaign trail. and they can get very serious at times. a lot of times you need to have the opportunity to sit back and be a little bit light hearted which we need obviously and they've been a lot of fun but they also are very serious about why they are involved with it as liddy just said. i think for the first time in my lifetime i've seen this next generation come up as my husband said they are going to be handed down a country that is less good and less productive than the one we got and i think for the first time i've seen young people really get out there and get involved and really be concerned about what is in store for their future. when i was back in high school i think we were not even concerned about our future because things seemed to be in good hands and seemed to be going well but we

are all finding that everybody needs to take a stand and get passionately involved in making this country the great country that it was and can be and is. but it's been an honor to be on the campaign trail and by looking forward to getting to know these girls and what they've done. i think social media is obviously the way of the future. we are finding that even one little tweet someone goes out very quickly and as you will see in a few minutes a video that they did and a song they did and my husband laughs and says he gets the foreign policy speech and gets about five hits on youtube. and they do a youtube video and gets 300,000 in a few days, so that is just the wave of the future, and you all are part of that and i think that my husband represents a lot of what is

important to each of you and the direction this country is going and looking for somebody that has not only, you know, an executive background in government service, like running a state, but someone that understands business. and i think a very important aspect we need to look at especially with what we are experiencing right now in our world is to have somebody that has an extensive background in foreign policy and he does offer this campaign if somebody that can unite this country and bring in republicans, independents and democrats and when he ran for governor of utah, he was able to get so many things done there that brought the stick together and brought it to number one, job creation, the best managed state in the country, and he went on to win his reelection at 78% of the vote and that is

leadership and bringing people together. so i think that as you are looking around at candidates and the type of things that you are looking for i do think that someone is able to bring this country together is a huge and important part of it. so thanks for having us here. >> i am mary anne, 26 and i am the oldest of the bunch. i've been in china of the last few years performing as a pianist and when i heard that my dad was going to get involved in this coming election i felt i can't not be a part of this experience. i was actually part of the last presidential election cycle and was the best experience of my life. being over indochina and seeing how much of the country is in need of somebody with leadership i thought my dad is the best person to, you know, take that role. so it's just been a great opportunity for my family, and

with my sisters we decided to do this jon2012girls to utter account which i haven't been exposed to twitter living in china so this was my first real introduction to meet. and as you have seen it's really taken a. twitter has taken up during this presidential election especially , so it's been a wonderful thing for us to do and also it's been great because the three of us have different roles on the campaign aside from that witter account my sister abby who is not here is helping me out on the media side, and by helping out with finance and with this generation and the young professionals and she just graduated from college so it is an honor for us to be here in the answer in the questions you all might have. >> a lot to ask for those of us who didn't know what was your involvement in the last presidential cycle? >> i was actually working for the mccain campaign.

i worked in finance. so i already have some experience. >> we are going to jump to the social media aspect of this and take a quick look at the first video which is the parody of the infamous commercial for those of you who don't know the former candidate presidential candidate herman cain has a sort of unusual campaign ad with his manager looking very serious and talking up the candidate and then taking the pulse of a cigarette. so these girls have a hilarious parody that they did and we are going to take a look at it now. so let's take a look. >> jon2012girls here. today we have the privilege of watching over father, jon huntsman covered represent america three times overseas and back here at home as a to term governor of utah.

tomorrow is friday. one day closer to the weekend. >> we strongly believe our that should be experienced proven track record to provide america's economy and create jobs even if we didn't believe that we would still have to be here. >> we are supporting our debt like no other candidates family ever has. no one has ever see day trio. we need your help to make sure that our next president [inaudible] check out our dad at jon2012.com and follow less online at jon2012girls. ♪ >> how many takes did you have? did you just sort of sit out in a park? >> we all like acting so it came

pretty fast. i think it took one a try for all of us. the whole scene probably took an hour. the editing of the video took a majority but i would say it took us an hour to film the whole thing, memorize or script. islamic memorize the lions and it took about an hour to get everything perfect. >> we knew they were doing something but we were a little bit nervous because we had no idea. they said just wait, just wait. and finally they said okay, here it goes and they sent it to us right as they sent it out. [laughter] we had no idea that ago this vital. when we were making this video it was also for fun and we actually got up early that morning and liddy had the idea, so we ran out in our pajamas at like seven thanks 30 or 8 a.m. to find mustaches and what we

going to use instead of bowles? >> five is trying to find i think it was the disney store that had a little pipes with bubbles. we couldn't find those. we were sitting there and i had received a bunch of e-mails and calls like you see this herman cain commercial? of course. we need to do something. make it age appropriate. pluggable said to the to -- blow bubbles so we had to write a script which took a while but i thought i have a vision. i'm more creative, that's how my mind works and i just thought it would be fun for us to do. so my sister, abby who is more the mom of the group, i got her that 7 a.m. and i was like i have this idea. we have to do it. she was like absolutely not,

liddy. every door with ideas. back downstairs she was like okay. it could be something. her husband approved of it which is huge. she was like okay, this must be okay. so we got to work on it and i didn't think it was going to turn out the way that it did. so i was very, very surprised to the estimate it will spur of the moment. >> it's funny the ones we are like people are going to love this or nobody pays attention, it's the ones that you do like spur of the moment of the top of your head are the ones that kind of go viral, like my hand express'. i didn't think that was -- i was home by myself and i don't know, i was just on the role and i wrote it and the next morning i thought i saw on good morning america. >> for those of you that didn't see the panda express tweet of the lack of experience and in

china and knowledge of china and she was like panda express doesn't count. but there was a great joke and i think that is why people respond so much to you is that you have this sort of just great, young, my reaction i think people understand and it isn't so scripted and that is the most refreshing part. >> i think that's what people really like about our twitter account. very light hearted, but it tells it in a way where it's very true, but it gives some sort of laugh or like entertainment to a >> kind of saying it how it is. as the mcclellan wanted to, first of all, say great scholarly faces you have on. it was very serious. it was good. i wanted to ask about your father and when he first saw it in his reaction. >> we were in the car and he looked down and broke out laughing and i knew that is what he was looking at.

we send it to them at the exact moment we sent it out. >> jon has quite a bit of a dry sense of humor and the more the country gets to know him, the more they see that in him. >> dinner on a friday night look like? is it a lot of laughter? buhle have a great sense of humor. >> we love to sit around and watch donley and dumber. >> you talk about how important it is. but my what you think it is so important in terms of the presidential campaign and in praising the social media, and white you think it is really important for presidential candidates nowadays to make sure they are using that? >> i mean i think it is just such a great tool to reach out to every type of individual

coming in on the twittered you can get it so fast where i think in the previous elections it was like the last cycle it was blogs and today people are very impatient so they want things right away. so twitter people are obsessed because they can get news and what the candidate is saying behind the scenes and things go viral in 30 seconds. it's a very exciting part i think of the campaign. and this election cycle life and is taking a different election cycle more than ever and i think the social media has a big part to do with that. so i think it is a moderate world kind of coming to play with campaigns changing the the election cycle a lot. >> it's great you can find things out on the spot and i mean, you just write when you are on the twitter you read the news feeds and everything that is going on from the last election cycle where it might take a couple of days to block about something where on twitter it's exactly what is happening at the moment.

and i feel that water will stay around for quite awhile. >> i have had twitter for a couple years and i haven't seen it grow this big. i feel like the last election cycle, the last couple of months have made it grow to a new aspect or the new way to communicate. >> you're tauter account has over 18,000 followers. i don't know if anyone is following jon2012girls plight sure you've been asked this. do you have any pushback of a campaign to stay on message? and here you are sort of off the cuff, blogging, tweeting. speed they've told us we are a secret weapon. but i did the trust us for the most part.

>> at the end of today we are promoting our dad so we are going to try to make it as positive to get him out there. >> that is our goal is to help our dad and that is why we initially started this twitter account. >> i have the first question. >> this is from sarah and she asks is it true number of voters are apathetic? >> i mean i think what i've seen the -- we all were involved. i was in college for the last election cycle for years ago, a and i think the media -- i think the youth was really involved and was really attractive to the gender generation. where this election cycle i think a lot of people have lost that and they are not wanting to be involved that much.

more than ever in our youth needs to be engaged in these elections more than ever because it is our future. this is the most crucial election cycle and i don't think people realize that. people wake up and some of the issues they care about are not things that are going to affect us in the future and so our role is to get the youth involved as much as possible because it is such a crucial time to get involved in politics. >> affects our generation more than anybody else and i think that is what a lot of younger people don't realize is that, you know, whoever the next leader is it really has a huge impact on this generation. >> we are encouraged to get people involved as much as possible. >> one of the things i want to remind the audience of is we do want questions from you so if there is anybody that wants to ask a question one of the

microphone and we would love to hear from you. >> great, we have someone. >> thanks for coming. my name is set and by a student in the peace and conflict studies program here. there's a lot of different republican candidates that have been in the media spotlight have been front runners at some point in the primary campaign, and i'm wondering why he thinks that hasn't happened yet to your dad but the media hasn't put a spotlight on him and why she hasn't become the front-runner yet in this campaign? >> i mean, i think that the media in the beginning they were more interested in sound bites and substance. the person who won the debate was the one with the best line and and i think now we are getting to the crucial part of the election you see a lot of the media now switching to my dad because they want substance and i think he will see that in the next couple of weeks it is going to change and people will be interested in what my dad has

to say. we all of the position we are in right now. we but all want to be the last front runner than the first front runner and this is the best way of going right now. >> i think that this is really an interesting time in our country and election cycle where i feel like both parties could never be so divided. so if you look at all the different from crothers come and go on don't think people really have a clear idea of who they want to get. one thing that my dad brings to the table is that he is a real people person and he brings different parties together. he has all the republicans, independents and democrats and when you are looking at somebody to go against the incumbent president obama, you need somebody that can bring all those people together and that person is my dad. >> i think in the beginning when the john and jumped into this

race immediately the republican party said he crossed the lines and worked for a democrat as ambassador to china. what's happened now is people are going back and saying we forgot to give him a first look. we saw he did that so we forgot to look at his record. he has a and extremely conservative record and has been very consistently conservative record and always pro-life and pro second amendment, pro-growth. what he did with the state of utah is phenomenal in bringing it to come and you know, number one in job creation and, you know colin his economic plan he's put forth has endorsed by "the wall street journal" and i feel that the republican party is coming back now and saying -- and they are admitting we forgot to give you a first look. we automatically dismissed you because you took the job. now what he did is something that i as a wife and i know as these children feel the same way we are proud of him for stepping

out into the arena and serving his country when asked. when you are serving your country at a time of critical need to find somebody that fits the position such as the ambassador to china it's hard in this country to find somebody that has the business background, the executive service background in the background in china which he studied for 30 years and speaks fluently. it would have been hard to pass someone over like that regardless which party you are from. we had to boys serving in the united states navy which we think about every day when we are in this race. and the decision that my husband made to serve his country would have been something that i feel he would have felt he had disappointed his boys as if he hadn't taken it as he taught them stepping up and serving your country. so i think that america will come around. we have to understand that. as he explains it i know people

understand that reason and he still a phenomenal job of ambassador to china, speaking out on human rights which is such an important issue with the guild of us feel strongly about and he did a lot of wonderful things. put option if you can look at the whole picture which i think is happening now and he said that slow steady rise if he will see that it sticks and isn't one that goes up and down. he wants to be able to have that slow steady rise and if you watch new hampshire closely you start out at zero he's out third place passing ron paul at 13% right now so we are very encouraged and excited about where he is in the town hall meetings are getting bigger and bigger and more excitement so just keep your eye on new hampshire and i think that you are going to see a steady rise. >> he got to newspaper endorsements yesterday and he's

made two of the five so far. >> i want to follow-up because he worked on the last campaign do you feel as this is more of a roller coaster ride in terms of having a front runner candidate won after the other and do you have any ideas why it is like this as opposed to 08? >> it's funny although this has been a very odd election cycle, i look back at 2008 and there actually are a lot of similarities in the front runners because if you look back, mccain was not even of this point. you have fred thompson who were the frontrunners for a long time and i feel as though giuliani was named by the media tells the nominee and in june or july of

that year so in a way there are some similarities to how the cycle has gone, but i think that this has also been a very odd year, and i think you'll see a lot of changes happen in the next few weeks. >> like i said before, it's never been so divided. i think that on both ends of the spectrum we have very extremes on both sides and itt could see people largest unhappy with the current situation and people are just so in patient. there's a new program the other morning they are saying he's going to be a to 2016 and i just thought why on earth are we talking about 2016 when we should be talking about 2012? i.t. did is just impatience right now. a lot of people just want to know who is going to be the front-runner between the nominee

and i think especially with water as you get more information with water and other social media outlets. >> being involved as a candidate u-turn on the news and we just think there's only two people running and it's been two different people throughout you'll see whoever it happens to be in the lead at that time if you turn on the news you only think there's maybe two people running and i think that is what in a way is a disservice to the american people because, you know, you think okay we only have two people to choose from instead of here is the field out there and let's look at all of them and that is something i noticed this time because we are involved and we see it every day but it does seem that, you know, it is focused just on the weather is the debate or a new cycle and i think that as american people, we need to look at the whole field. >> ligon back to 2008 it is very similar where you would turn on the tv and there would be to

candidates. there's a front-runner and then mccain getting the nominee at nobody would have thought that this play or even later on. >> on that, this question is from a new hampshire independent if he or she asks what do you think of mitt romney or new gingrich so i guess they are asking for your thoughts on the two candidates who happen to be i guess the most talked about right now. >> yeah that they are no jon huntsman. [laughter] >> it takes courage for anybody to get this arena, so obviously anybody that's willing to put themselves out there, you know, you have to say you have to compliment them for doing that. obviously i think that hour that is the best candidate for the job but they're nice and we see them as debates. estimate a lot of respect people

wouldn't realize on the candidates and spouses that's we try to keep that on a personal level there is a lot of respect and yes you are going to see abs and different things going across the board but you get in the arena with them and everybody shakes hands and i guess it's just part of the game it is a competitive part of but there is a good report between the candidates and spouses and that's something that i think is -- speed there is respect behind the stage. >> we all understand of what one another is going through. estimate on the trail how much of it does get personal, looking at earlier in the campaign rick perry rhetoric at some point and how much of that means people

are going after candidates and their beliefs and how much of it feels personal? does it ever feel personal? >> i don't think we ever take anything personally. if you are going to be in this game you can't or else you'll never be able to get out of bed in the morning and i think that if the one we all focus is a family and we are out there for the right reason out there for our dad and people can say what they want and be here - comments of the time and we see things on tv and we have for family at the end of the day and we know we are behind the right guy. >> we went through this when my dad ran for governor and it took a little bit of time to get used to. i think the hardest thing as a daughter is to read things about your dad and that took a while for me to get over but it only makes you stronger. you know what's going on in the new family and with your dad, so

you just have to -- >> you try not to read the news. estimate a lot of what we read affects our emotions and when you are in a campaign like this you have to try to keep yourself focused. i know my husband does not open up and read articles all day. he's thinking about the next event he's going to and if there's something he needs to let him know what you can get caught up in the minutia of it all and can bring you down and bring your emotions down and you've got to stay up and focused every day so we try to do -- the best thing in family is having each other build on one another because one of us might get down about something set and someone else in the family will pick us back up again. we are human, we are real. we feel let. talking to some of the other spouse's as i do, as a life i know that we on a personal level feel those emotions that go up and down and we feel that for

our husbands and we care and love them so much and it's all part of this moving in to it that it would not be easy but there's a bigger picture of their and getting this country back on track. >> we try not to watch tv. i remember we were in the south carolina right after the debate and every channel life with bonnet was light conan and did you see the debate last month? okay, next channel. every tv show find something. >> since the youtube and twitter sensation -- >> we've been on a lot of shows, programs and have done a lot of interviews and the more we do things, the less i read on the news because you know what's going on and i think it's worth its. it's worth it to put out your

case and i think it's worth that. we are risking a lot of things that the end of the day this is for a much greater cause. it's for our country and the best leader and that's why i'm so confident at the end of today what you're doing. >> welcome on that line and this is from a new hampshire voter and they asked in terms of your social media work and your exposure, will get votes. do you think it will translate into votes and then they followed up by asking how many? >> three, four? [laughter] >> we hope so. we really hope to make an impact on people. and i have seen several tweets say now that i'm falling you i'm voting for your dad. that was the point of twitter and getting out there to promote our dad and if people are going to watch youtube and go look at

my dad's website, totally worth making fun of ourselves. it's worth it in the end, and i find that hopefully this will translate into votes. so we will see. >> any questions from the audience? >> i may student trustee here and i would like to welcome you and thank you for coming. but i would like to make a comment about your father. he seems a little more moderate than everybody else in the republican field and the same time you see the rise of the tea party in the party. so my question to you is how does your father reconcile his moderate streak compared to everybody else with the sort of domination of the republican party by its fringes that this point? >> if you look at his background and his record, he has a more conservative record than any of the other candidates, which i don't think a lot of people have read or realize. and i think that he is -- in reality especially moderate on

civil union and a stereotype that since day one but if you look at his record and all of his issues she is the most conservative out of everybody on stage. so i think it's the end of the race he was mislabeled as moderate when in reality is only if people go back and look at his record they will say he is actually more conservative than any of the other candidates to be this, we encourage everybody to go to jon2012.com because you will find his record and i think a lot of people will be surprised at what he's done and how conservative he really is putting it he may have a moderate attitude about life because he has the ability to unite people together and sometimes that comes across as moderate or liberal. and yet it is a great gift that he has and that's something our country needs more than ever right now is someone that can get in and bridge people together. i watched him as governor bring a worse state together and be able to unite a state where you

may not agree with him on every issue but what you are going to know is he is genuine comegys authentic, he doesn't pander. that's the one thing you are not going to see him say something to one group in order to get a vote. it is and who he is. he would rather lose than to be authentic. and -- >> that's like a modern-day politicians. and i think that our country is seeking for some of these. i mean, we have these social media. we have twittered. our country is changing in a more modern way and we need someone who has a more moderate approach. >> a more moderate approach to life, yet he hasn't changed his conservative principles in 28 years exactly the same. you're not in to see him slip on issues. that's not who he is and he is exactly the same on those principles and values that he's had since the day that i married him. so that is something that again, i believe the republican party may have mislabeled him at the very beginning, which was

unfortunate because if you look back now it may have taken a while to go back and see who he really is before coming around to it and realizing that we forgot to look at his record which is truly you have to look at somebody's passed to know how they are going to lead in the future and i think his record speaks for itself. >> another question from the audience. >> freshmen here at school, just cut out of the army in august. you said you had brothers and the needy. i want to know as far as them being stationed at different places around the world in their service, how does that impact the family both on the campaign trail while they are serving what is the dynamic there? >> thank you for your service. they are just beginning the process. they are both -- one is in the second year the naval academy and the second child is not so far from here in rhode island and he will be at the naval academy next year. and so i know that they have a

road ahead of them that is in store for them and you kind of wonder what that's going to be. when we were in an up a list of a year ago picking up our son we got to spend about an hour with him to see him in his uniform for the first time which all the parents are there and you pick them up six weeks before the gulf for the summer and you get to see them for an hour. our son and said to us i just want to take you and mom up to the cemetery because that's where i run every day because we have so many great heroes that have served our country. and it was something that meant a lot to our son the coverage on, she said i learn a lot of here. i feel, you know, they're good mess when i am not here. so we went up there and that was a moment that i will never forget when i think about this next generation and i think about our men and women going out into battle and our son was in front of us, and my husband looked over at me and shook his head and said i am really

worried for our country. and it was that moment i thought, you know, what is in store for your generation. and i realized how concerned he was. we actually still living in the china at a time, we went back to china and not thinking about doing this he went back and continued as ambassador but i knew that didn't leave his mind and he was very concerned about what was in store for our men and women and this next generation and i think that had a big impact on him. so coming back as we thought about where the country was and where it's going he thought i can either sit on the sidelines or i can jump in the area and at least put forth some ideas i think can help this country move forward but that is something we keep in our life everyday and where they are going to be convened yesterday somebody said to jon what do you have to say about the iraq war? he said i am thinking about 4,000 goldstar mother's right

now committed for me as a mom i was walking to the car and i found i got choked up with just that one comment, gold star mothers and i realized the sacrifice that our young men and women are doing for this great country so we keep that in our mind every day. .. >> is and i'm extremely honoredd and so proud of both of my brothers. and, i mean, i feel like i get really emotional even talking about them because i do look at the position we're in right now, and i think that's why i have

become so passionate about my dad, because i feel like he is the only one when i look at who is going to be calling the shots for my brothers and their wives, i want someone who i can trust in office. and i think that's why we're all up here at the same time saying these are our brothers, this is our brothers' boss at the end of the day, too, we need someone who in the middle of the night we're going to be able to trust, and they're going to have our brothers' lives in their hands. so i think that's why i'm also out here fighting for my brothers and trying to get the best leader in office. >> all right. we're going to do a wit of a lightning -- bit of a lightning round in the terms of questions. we're going to try to answer them somewhat quickly. the first question is it's sort of because you guys are actually in massachusetts, just over the border, but we're wondering what your thoughts are on senator scott brown who was sort of a sensation here when he was elected. i don't know who wants to start. [laughter] >> do you know, i don't know

him. >> okay. >> but i think very highly of, you know -- >> i think we think very highly of him, but, yeah. >> we'll move on to will you run for office someday? is that something that, especially the daughters, are considering? >> i mean, i've been involved, obviously, in campaigns, another presidential campaign and this. um, i mean, it takes a lot of guts to run for something. so i, um, i think it's great for anybody who decides to do that. i don't think it's in my future, um, but -- [inaudible conversations] >> i will not run for office. [laughter] >> we have an absolute from you. >> definitely not. i will never. i mean, i love politics, and i think it's great, and -- but my world and my hobbies and passion are nowhere near, um, the political route. but, you know, i've worked on another political campaign just because i've had this experience, and i think we all

have seen the inside kind of process of it, but i think it comes easily for us. but definitely, no, i will never -- i'll save you guys that. i will never run for anything. [laughter] >> and where are you shooting your next video? do you have plans or ideas for another one? >> i think we found that spur of the moment ideas and things are what kind of give the best viewership. so, i don't know, tomorrow we'll wake up and have another idea, so just keep watching. >> i'm actually curious how much of, did you watch any of romney's sons during the last campaign? they sort of had the mittmobile going on, i don't know if you guys saw any of that? >> i did. >> okay. and then there was sort of that prank where he had the schwarzenegger call to his dad. so i wasn't sure if that had influenced you, seen it or saw children taking part in their

father's -- >> mary anne saw how megyn mccain was so influential -- >> i actually helped megan at first. >> i think that megan we looked at more. i mean, we read her blog and, like, my sister was involved with it. and so i think during this process, i mean, we started twitter just to keep our friends updated on what we were doing, and it kind of led into a much bigger process, and then we realized social media's going to be the big thing, so we kind of ran with it. >> and i think it's great to see behind the scenes of a family and what the kids are up to because you want to see what the family's like. and i think that's one thing that i really liked about the last election cycle is, you know, you saw a lot of the kids out there, like the romney boys and megan doing her blog. and we also, the three of us girls are very close. we wanted to do something as sisters and twitter happened to be the new fad. so, um, you know, so that's why we decided to do this.

>> what do you think it is about the romney boys that's sort of fun to poke fun at? i know you guys have tweeted -- >> well, they won't respond to us on twitter. i think the romney boys are trying to play hard to get with us. >> i mean, we don't actually know them. we've seen tags a few times, um, but, you know, it's all fun and games. but they actually haven't been that involved this go round. >> you're right. they're definitely less involved. and that actually does lead to one of my questions, i was wondering who was the best sport in terms of campaigns that you've dealt with, going back and forth, basically playing with -- >> who's been the best person? >> yeah. >> of another campaign? >> yeah. >> this election cycle? >> yeah, this election cycle. >> greg perry, he's sweet.

his mom and my mom are close, so it's been fun to go become and forth with him on twitter, but no one else will respond to us on twitter. >> i was going to ask -- [laughter] >> so really there are worse sports because everybody else hasn't -- >> i don't think they want us to make a parody of them, so they're kind of -- [laughter] >> i don't blame 'em. >> any takeaway moments from the campaign so far, the campaign trail? you said that you've been up in new hampshire for two weeks almost? >> we've both been here for two weeks straight. >> any takeaway moments, either interactions with other candidates or any especially long days? >> always long days. but, um, i think every day's just a new adventure. i mean, we just have explored all of new hampshire and have met so many great people. i don't know, i think every day's just a new day. we haven't really come across any of the candidates in the last two weeks. >> one day they said let's just

get in the car and go to every diner we can think of. >> yeah. [inaudible conversations] >> i would say one of the most memorable experiences at least for me was when we very first got to new hampshire with the three of us girls. they had been in florida, and i had been other places, um, doing finance events. um, and we came together in new hampshire, um, and this was my dad's first debate, i believe, in south carolina? i can't remember. but it was his first presidential debate ever. >> debate party. >> yeah. we got to new hampshire, and we saw that there was a 5k starting at, like, 7, 6 or 7 that night. and of course we haven't been working out at all because it's hard to work out on a campaign. >> and doing diner tours. >> right. [laughter] we all thought, oh, my gosh, this would be a great thing for us to do together. so we decided last minute to jump in, and i think it's one of

the biggest 5ks they had in new hampshire. they do it year round. >> was it labor day? no be, it wasn't labor day. >> i can't remember what it was. so we jumped in. and i remember thinking, i mean, the only thing that got me through it was thinking we're doing this for our dad, this is his first debate. we all got through it. we rushed -- >> barely. >> our first debate watch party, obviously, all sweaty. and my dad did a great job. but it was just kind of a way of, you know, getting us through it because we're doing this for our dad. um, and that, i mean, there's things like that that happen on the campaign that are very memorable for us. >> just a 5k for fun, i would say that's motivating. >> it was motivating. >> do we want to take another question from the audience? >> hi, my name's corey, i'm a sophomore here, and most of the daughters are recent college graduates, and i'm wondering how being fresh out of college has

really influenced your actions on the campaign or just your actions as an adult. >> um, i would say it's made me more passionate. i mean, sitting there during graduation i think in 2010 76% of students on graduation day were unemployed. and when i read that statistic, i -- my heart just dropped, and i, you know, the majority of people on graduation day during my graduation, i mean, were all unemployed. and i think it's kind of gotten to a point where now you've graduated, and you have to be an adult, and you have to worry about health care and taxes, and you really have to wake up and say, okay, i really need to get involved, and i can make a difference. and we really are in such a hard place right now with our country. and i think about college right now wouldn't really understand kind of the real world, but now actually being out there i think it's made me more passionate about getting involved and trying to get the younger generation involved. >> yeah. i'm actually, i mean, i'm a

musician, so i'm in a totally different field. but having lived in china the last two years, um, i had several friends who were ex-pats who had graduated from great schools who couldn't get a job here, and so they've been in china for the last few years, and they're planning on staying in china for as long as they can because, um, it's really hard for them to come back and get a job. and that's something that really has surprised me. and so looking at that, um, it really made me want to come back and be a part of this campaign. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> great. all right, well, we have another question here from conquered river which is a very exciting name. what do you hear back from voters using twitter? >> comments to us? >> yeah. >> um, i would say the biggest comment that we get is we love your dad, he's the only sane

candidate. and we see that over and over. [laughter] everyone says your dad is the only sane candidate, like, i would vote for him but, you know, he's blah, blah, blah. i don't know. i mean, that's kind of the biggest comment. i think every day we get that comment. >> three to five a day. >> and what do you, i mean, what's your sense when they say he's the most sane candidate? do you get a sense of what they mean? >> i'm not going to go into it, but i think everyone can see the field right now, how it's looking, and i think when people see my dad on stage, they realize he's the only one that can actually get up there and win and beat obama and lead. so i think when they say he's the only sane candidate, i mean, i think that's where they're kind of going at, so -- >> do we want to take another question from the audience? >> yeah. hi, i'm alex, sophomore here. my question, since social media's been one of the big topics here, i was actually

wondering how, if you guys had any ideas -- you were already asked of a future video -- but if you're trying to get your dad's image out more in states like massachusetts, and in new england where i know mitt romney is one of the big faces because he was governor and he's big in this area, any idea of getting his image out like he is in utah? >> i mean, i think that's why we're so excited to do things like this here and going on different programs. just to kind of get his name out as much as possible, and if we have to do another video to do that, i guess we'll have to. >> the great thing about youtube, you can come up with anything. >> try and get people more, like with new hampshire, our diners tour, we're trying to get people more involved, going through the the state and hopefully going to boston and trying to get his name out. >> i remember when they thought about doing the video at the beginning, it was more out of we are so tired of people not knowing who our dad is.

you know, we want people to know who he is. and i think that gave you incentive to say we're going to do something about it. so they jumped right in and really within -- >> yeah. i mean, i had a -- that was a conversation i had with my mom before i got film, and i said, you know what? we need to do something bold. i'm going to do a video and kind of do something that'll kind of get out there, so -- >> thank you. >> thank you. >> your role has changed. i mean, in that you've become more and more visible. at what moment did that change? when your father announced his candidacy, were you ready to jump in full force, or has that just sort of -- >> i think we've always been ready. i think it's just been kind of a paved way for us since he was governor of utah. we all lived this and kind of played the same role. so i think, i mean, we all had a part in this when he announced. >> yeah, i mean, i think, um, it obviously took a little while to sink in when your dad announces

he's running for president of the united states. um, i mean, it's such an exciting thing. but, you know, i don't -- i think we really got involved, um, when we started this twitter account. that's when the three of us were gung ho, and we're going to do this, we're going to do all we can to help our dad. so, you know, it's -- >> yeah, and i think it's definitely been a great experience, and, you know, no matter what happens, um, it's, you know, we'll never forget this time of our lives. >> now, i saw that you had retweeted after the lincoln/douglass style debate with newt gingrich. there was a common like that wasn't a debate, it was a ticket. so i'm wondering thoughts on who you think would be the best candidate to pair up with your dad. i know this was, obviously, very speculative, but -- >> i think they need to do this with all of the candidates. >> uh-huh. >> i mean, i think it would be really interesting for the country to watch all of these candidates paired up talking

about these, um, very serious issues, um, which you don't really get at the debates. and the nice thing about this lincoln-style debates, and they only got through five issues because, you know, it takes a long time. it takes more than 30 seconds to answer some of these questions. >> can't really talk about china in 30 seconds. it's just, you can't. >> right, right. and i think that the country needs to see, you know, who can handle all of these issues. for our country. and so i really hope all of the candidates get an opportunity to do this. >> and it's interesting because after the debate, um, the media didn't really feel, i mean, there was a lot of media with it, but on twitter everyone's like, oh, there was no, there was no sideshow, i'm not going to write about it or tweet about it. and that was a good debate. that was the best one so far because there were people listening and getting involved and learning something. >> they say, you know, jon may not be the one that's the center of drama, so sometimes you don't

get the headlines and you don't get, you know, all the media attention. and yet that's why i think people now are going back and realizing that the substance when you really think about who can lead this country, you have to go back and say, you know, it's not about the sideshow and some comment in a debate, it is serious business. and i do think that's why we're seeing especially in new hampshire those voters who take it very seriously begin to take a good look at someone like him and his background and what he can do. with this country. so it's, um, you know, it's been an interesting road, to say the least. [laughter] but we like what our chances are now. >> so, now, is there a candidate, another -- [inaudible] that would be the best to be on a ticket with your dad? >> i guess we'll find out -- [laughter] >> you guys don't have any opinions on that? no? >> not as of now. >> yeah, we haven't really talked about that yet. >> all right. well, looks like we have another question from the audience.

>> hi, i'm marisa, i'm an english major here, i'm also the news editor for the student newspaper, and i'm wondering if you guys disagree with your father on any major issues. >> liddy? [laughter] back and forth. >> um, i mean, i went through a phase where i wanted to debate him on every single issue, and that's where our dinner discussions went to. but every time they brought up an issue, i would come back to his side because i realized he was correct about it. so, and i've gone through every issue with him. so now i don't disagree with him anymore. [laughter] >> yeah. i actually -- no, i agree with him on every issue so far. >> thank you. >> um, do we have anything else? >> [inaudible] >> do you think that this is going to be a contentious nomination process? do you guys think this will go all the way to the convention? >> boy, i don't know.

it very well could. i think it very well could. this has been a an interesting, interesting year. i think we're going to see -- we're not doing much in iowa, we're spending our time in new hampshire, so we're seeing that play out in iowa. it's anybody's guess at this point what happens there. and -- >> but i think it's going to be a very historic election cycle. when the florida straw poll in the middle of the summer, the governor got up and said mark my words, the next person that wins this -- the person that wins this straw poll will be the nominee. herman cain won, so, i mean, i think that says a lot. and i think it's thrown a lot of experts off their chairs because nobody knows what next week's going to protect. i think that's why people have been more involved because it's going to be an historic election cycle. more so than ever. >> anything could happen at this point. you could have a different winner for each primary, and it could go on for a while which, i

think, could be very possible at this point. >> sometimes it's hour to hour. and we can leave this event today and go outside and see that something else has happened in the race. and we get on the airplane, and we'll go for four or five hours and get off, and something totally different than when we left. that's the way it's been. it's really been an interesting, interesting process. >> yeah. and do you see that as marry anne does maybe meaning this could drag on and on? >> i think there's a very good chance it could. you may have three different winners in the first three states. i mean, you just don't know. and it's -- i don't think anybody knows at this point. so it's very exciting to watch, and a lot of people are tuning in. >> i don't think it will be over soon. >> no. >> we're just starting. [laughter] >> but, yeah -- >> longer than people think. >> i know, i mean, certainly a lot of people can is this because your father has put so much stock in new hampshire. the question is, if he doesn't win there, do you think he needs to drop out? >> i think even if he comes in second, um, and we believe he

will win, but even if he comes in second, i think he still has a great -- >> and i think at the end of the day with new hampshire, i mean, because of its retail politics, people are really focusing in on new hampshire and that's why we're participating in it. but i think the story at the end of the day will say my dad -- [inaudible] and now he's at 13. and whatever he ends with, that's going to be the story. for some reason new hampshire loves him, and he became first or second in new hampshire, and i think we'll see that, why new hampshire's going to be key in this whole election cycle. >> they get to know the heart and soul of the candidate which is really important. as you sit there in those town hall meetings, and many times you have to shake people's hands five, six, seven times before you earn their vote, and i think america really does look to see what happens in new hampshire, in fact, i think the world is watching what happens in the state of new hampshire. >> retail politics in new hampshire is so crucial because the rest of the world, or the rest of the nation is watching

versus iowa, other states is based off media and whoever, you know, has the best party before the debate, or before the election caucus. but, i mean, i think new hampshire's definitely important. i think my dad's really resonating and gaining traction because people are really liking that up there. so -- >> okay. i guess we're able to take one more question from a student, and then we're going to wrap this up. so introduce yourself -- >> hi, i'm brian, president of the student government here. in at least massachusetts, public higher education hasn't been getting as much funding as we would like as students, so i was just wondering where your dad puts public higher education in his list of priorities. >> education? >> well -- >> that's probably not the best -- >> right. [inaudible conversations] >> education speech very soon. he'll lay it all out. it will be very important. put it this way, he takes it

very seriously. >> okay. >> very seriously. >> thank you. >> he does. >> i can answer a little bit. he's had a trial run with all seven of his kids where with education he has seen it all. he's had some of us in private, public and even home schooling, i home schooled for piano. and, um, you know, he has seen the importance of everyone's individual needs for education. and so that is something that he takes very seriously. and he did as governor. so if you go on the web site, um, you can see, you know, what he did and what was on his record. >> well, listen, thank you for your question, and we want to thank the huntsman family for being here with us today. we really appreciate it. and we want to thank all of you for watching and for coming and thank you again. we really appreciate all your work. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. [applause] >> before you leave, we have a little something from the university for your agreeing to

come today. >> oh, thank you. >> thank you. >> make sure you get the right one. that way you'll have your own. that one's for your sister. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> yeah, i'll take it -- >> there's a shirt in there you might want to open up and show the audience. >> oh. want me to get it out? >> u-mass. >> love that. oh, i love that. we need our long sleeves up in new hampshire. [laughter] >> anyone interested, come to new hampshire and help us. >> we would love to have anybody come and volunteer at the headquarters. so it'll be a fun opportunity. >> a couple weeks ahead of us. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. [applause]

>> thanks a lot. >> all right, thank you. >> hear what the candidates are saying from the campaign trail at the newry-designed -- newly-designed c-span web site for 2012. >> there's 72 entitlement programs in washington d.c. the vast majority of those are, are, as far as money is concerned, are operated by the state government. why? because they're state functioned. but yet somehow the federal government i -- thinks they have a role to play. >> phase those out at the same time to treat everyone the same. wind, solar, whatever it may be. the federal government doesn't need to be in the business of picking winners and losers in the energy industry. >> when you presented the constitutional convention and they write the president as commander in chief, they actually knew what the term

commander in chief meant. >> read the latest comments from candidates and political reporters and link to c-span's media partners in the early primary and caucus states all at c-span.org/campaign 2012. >> over the next two nights here on c-span2, some of the british inquiry into phone hacking by tabloid newspapers. tonight at 8 eastern testimony from actress sienna miller. and max mosley, the former head of formula one racing. and coming up tomorrow at 8 p.m. eastern, author j.k. rowling and paul mcmull land, a former editor of the news of the world, a newspaper that was shut could be in the wake -- shut down in the wake of the phone hacking scandal. the speaker of the new hampshire statehouse yesterday endorsed newt gingrich for president. after receiving the endorsement, mr. gingrich took questions from the audience. this is about 40 minutes. [applause]

>> thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. let's get started here today. i want to say, first, thank you very much. my name is andrew hemingway, i'm the state director for newt 2012 here in new hampshire. it is an honor to serve in the role, and i just wanted to say thank you for being here in attendance. we are excited to have speaker newt gingrich with us, also excited to have speaker bill o'brien, lori san born and, of course, the always-beautiful callista gingrich with us today. tonight is a very exciting event for us here in new hampshire. without going into details or spoiling the surprise, i just want to give you a rundown very quickly about how the event is going to run. we're going to have our state chair, lori sanborn, come to the podium in just a minute, and we're going to have speaker bill o'brien give a few words and then speaker newt gingrich will

speak. and after speaker gingrich speaks for a minute, unlike, unlike governor mitt romney, we will actually take questions at a town hall. [applause] so without further ado, our state chair, lori sanborn, state rep. she's one of the hardest working reps in the house. we are honored to have her leading our team here in new hampshire. lori? [applause] >> thank you, andrew. it's so great to see all of you here today. i know the weather isn't perfect, and i know we're in the week of christmas, but this is such a special event so, again, thank you for being here. as andrew mentioned, my name is lori sanborn, i'm the assistant majority, deputy majority leader in the statehouse. i'm a freshman legislator, and in my time there i created and now chair a new hampshire house business coalition.

many of those members are in the room here today, and we've accomplished a lot in new hampshire, and i'm excited about that. i'm very excited to have recently been appointed state chair for the newt campaign, and i want to thank all of the employees of the campaign and all the volunteers who have been working very, very hard. we have a, we have a lot of work to do, but i'm eager to work with you, spearhead our efforts and roll up my sleeves. so i'm looking forward to that. you know, as a legislator and as a business owner i value results above all. and that's why i so enthusiastically support newt gingrich in his run for president and why i'm so honored to be the one to introduce our next speaker or, the speaker of the new hampshire house, bill o'brien. he is a man who knows how to get results. in our time in the office together, bill has done a great number of things. first and foremost, after we inherited an $800 million

deficit in our state, we quickly balanced the budget, and we reduced state spending by 17%. [applause] that is truly a historic achievement, and we could not have done it without bill. in addition to that, we have done a number of government reforms including reforming our state -- [inaudible] we have passed over 40 bills that roll back excesses, regulations on our business community. and we have lowered the unemployment rate in new hampshire. so this is all under the auspices of bill o'brien. and we can't thank him enough. you know, back in the '70s i saw a quote from ronald reagan, and he said now is not the time for pastel colors, it's time for bold, primary colors. and we have a bold leader in speaker o'brien. so, please, join me in welcoming

him on the stage. [applause] .. >> as someone who believes in limited government, believes in new hampshire's motto of live free or die, and believes my three children and my three

grandchildren deserve an america as secure and financially sound as it was when i became an adult. i know we cannot continue down barack obama's disastrous path leading to bankrupting our freedom and of our future generations. that's why it's not good enough not just to defeat president obama. we need to replace him with a president who has a clear sense of where the country needs to go. we need to replace him with a president to ensure that the era of america greatness is not over. we cannot afford candidates who put electoral convenience or extreme ideology ahead of bringing transform tie change that will restore america's place in the world while making our federal government smaller, more fiesht, and less of an

impediment to our economy and our liberty. after spending an considerable amount of time reviewing the candidates for president and coming to like and admire many of them, perhaps most of them, one person rose to the top as the person certain to bring positive, transformative change to washington, and that person is speaker newt gingrich. newt gingrich is the one person whom most certainly will get america back to the ideals that made our country great. he'll return our country to being the beacon of freedom and opportunity to the world that it has been for decades before the current presidency. newt gingrich is the one person whom will most certainly bring fiscal discipline back to washington. newt's past performance, his track record is exactly what we need now to solve today's problems in washington, and look at that track record.

while revisionist historians would like to credit the tremendous success of the 1990s to bill clinton, all bill clinton had to show before newt gingrich's leadership in the house was a failed stimulus plan, a failed attempt at national health care, a major tax increase, a bill to restrict second amendment rights, and, of course, midnight basketball. when newt took over, congress pushed the tax cut of 1997 that included a capital gains cut that created millions of jobs. it was not bill clinton who displayed the political courage to hold the line on federal spending that led to the first balanced budget in four decades and led to four balanced budgets. it was the house of representatives led by newt gingrich. it was not bill clinton who crafted the welfare reform that lifted millions out of poverty.

instead, clinton twice vetoed welfare reform, and it was only the determination of newt's house of representatives that led to bill clinton finally agreeing to sign a bill for welfare reform that married welfare a bridge to work and not a dead end of dependency. these huge accomplishments would not have taken place without newt gingrich's vision and leadership. we desperately need that vision and that leadership in the oval office today. these changes will be hard. i know firsthand because it is what we are trying to do in new hampshire. the only way to get there is with someone who has a clear goal of where our nation needs to go and an ability to articulate these complex ideas simply and understandably, and in an uncompromising level of determination to see things through. newt gingrich is not only that

person, but he's shown us that time and again he is that person. he is the right man at the right time for the presidency. i would wholeheartedly endorse his efforts and committed to help him deliver the leadership that america so desperately needs today. mr. gingrich. [applause] >> well, thank you, speaker o'brien, and i was thinking here someone who participated twice, and the only domestic discretionary spending cuts since world war ii, 1981 with ronald reagan was not a reduction rate of growth. we went down in domestic discretionary spending. 1995 as speaker, we went down,

and i think about what the speaker achieved in spending cuts here this year. can you imagine what washington would be like if they had had the courage to match new hampshire in that kind of fiscal discipline? le would have been rema it's a pretty good story. [applause] in addition, the first time i talked to laurie, i was really excited and really wanted her to be part of the campaign because her commitment on helping businesses get effective representation in the legislature is a key to this. you know, i've twice participated in creating a lot of jobs. as a very junior congressman, i worked with jack kemp and a number of people, and we developed what was called supply side economics. larry cutler was a part of that, and ronald reagan took up the idea. pn. cut taxes, cut regulations, focus on american energy, and favor the people who actually create jobs. tell them it's a good thing to go out and create a job. in the process of that, by the way, reagan created millions of

new jobs, unemployment went from 10.8% to 5.6% in his presidency. one month in august of 1983, created a 1.3 million new jobs, and when i became speaker, i basically picked up the reagan playbook. speaker o'brien said the first wave of the clinton administration was raising taxes, raising spending, crippling the dmi, and -- economy, and when i came in, the dow jones had not moved, things had not got better, and we went back to the reagan playbook, lower taxes, less regulation, more american energy, and be proud of people who go to work every day to create jobs. the result? there were 11 million new jobs created, and the reason i like what laurie's done is she's bringing in the people who actually create jobs, and she's working with people who actually create jobs. this is opposite of the obama

model. obama raises taxes, increases regulation, anti-american energy, and engages in class warfare against the people who try to create jobs, and we wonder why the economy is a mess. the attack on the obama administration showed up this year in the highest average price of gasoline in american history. in 2011, americans paid more for gasoline than any other time in american history. if you're a writer for the "new york times" and you ride the subway to get to work, you probably dbt notice this, but if you live in rural america, small town america, medium-sized town america, you noticed it immediately. if you drive a car, you noticed it. if you visit your children or grandchildren -- over christmas, people who drive to visit their relatives will notice it. gasoline prices and diesel prices as you know, and heating oil prices go through the economy causing pain in a tremendous way.

i like to work with businesses, with fiscal conservatism in order to get things done. i was reminded we came here today to say something that's not political, which is merry christmas. >> merry christmas. [applause] so, i'll just say one or two things about the race here. i have to confess the iowa race has gotten to be a real mess. i think my good friends bought about $7 million or $8 million in negative advertising so far. it's interesting to watch how audiences react because the american people are not stupid. they know somebody bought the negative ad and got it, and you see the same ad nine times in an hour, you know they raised too much money, and that's what's going on out there, but i want to say to you what i've been saying out there.

i will be here on a positive campaign. we are in trouble as a country. we need to focus on how to get out of trouble. we need to talk about the solutions that will get us out of trouble. go to newt.org, there's a proposed 21st century contract with america. we'll grow it, expand it, and develop t and by september 27th, we'll post the legislative part, and by october, we'll post a serious of executive orders to indicate what i would do as first day as president, and the first order eliminates all the white house czars as of that moment. [applause] i'm very prepared to campaign. i'll tell you because the issues are so huge, i mean, the choices president obama and newt gingrich, and on the one hand there's a radical. they used to teach the model in

south side chicago. people say he's a community organizer. that was not boys and girls clubs, but political radicalism. on the other hand, you have someone who believes passionately in american exceptionalism and the declaration of independence and the idea our rights come to us from our creator, that they are unalienable, that sovereignty resides in you. that you're a citizen, not a subject, that we, the people, define the government. the government does not define we, the people. the gap philosophically is enormous. on the one hand, there's the finest food stamp president in american history. no one has done more to get people on food stamps on president obama. i want to be the finest paycheck president in american history. [applause] in terms of winning the general election, let me point out to you that at this point in 1979,

ronald reagan was 39 # points behind. a lot of stuff said about reagan they pulled that back up and say it about me. they are right. look, if you want a cozy washington, business as usual establishment, you don't want me. that establishment is both republican and department. you can watch tv and tell who the establishment is. you can tell those who are frightened, and that's what happened with reagan. as the country got to know reagan, and the country asked a simple question which we'll ask next year. we're four years of president obama good enough that you want eight years? it's that simple of a question. four more years is not -- he started with yes, we can, and the new slogan will be let me explain why we couldn't. [laughter] there is a gap. the last point i want to make to you about that is if you help me, and i think we have a real

chance in new hampshire to surprise people because i think that the philosophical differences are not just between me and obama. they are between me and some of the other candidates. if you'll help me, when i become your nominee, i will challenge president obama to seven three hour debates in the lincoln-douglass tradition with a time keeper, but no moderator, and i will concede up front that he can have a teleprompter. [laughter] [applause] let's be fair. [laughter] if you had to defend obamacare, wouldn't you want a prompter? [laughter] people don't believe he'll debate. i think for three reasons for

will. he announced his run for president in 2007 quoting abraham lincoln. the second is ego. this is a columbia university, harvard law school, editor of the harvard law review, best orator in the democratic party. how does he look in the mirror and say he's afraid to debate a guy who went to west georgia college? the third is practical. i studied american history as many of you know, and when i studied, i learned that abraham lincoln, when he announced -- he'd been out of office ten years, in congress for one term, a state legislator, and he announced against the best known u.s. senator, and people assumed he would be the next president, and he said there's 105 days left, let's debate every day. douglas said, i don't think so. weather he went, lincoln would

show up the next day. lincoln got the press coverage for his rebuttal of douglas' speech, and after three weeks, douglas said, all right, i'll debate you, but i'm not going to go back to the first two districts. there were nine districts. he said i'm not going to the two, but i'll go to the other seven. the debates were so central, the most important explanation of constitutional freedom since the federalist papers. they were carried widely in the newspapers. each of the seven debates got its own coverage, and lincoln had it reprinted as a book, a major back tore in his rise as a presidential candidate. if you help me, and i become your nominee at tampa, when i give the acceptance speech, if the president has not yet agreed to have a series of seven debates, i will announce that night in my acceptance speech

that the white house at that moment is my scheduler. wherever he goes, i will show up four hours later, and i will answer answer his speech every time, and in the age of radio and television news, it will take about two weeks for the white house to decide it's a losing proposition and having us on the same stage, debating america's future, talking about who we are philosophically and who we are at at practical achievement level is less painful than having me show up in every single town shortly after the president, so with your help, we're going to set up one of the most exciting and most important elections in american history, maybe the most decisive since 1860 in defining america, and with your help, i'm convinced people will vote for paychecks over food stamps. vote for the american declaration of independence over radical socialism.

they'll vote for strength in foreign policy over weakness. they'll vote for somebody who wants to work with the american people, not somebody who wants to dictate to the american people. i think that will make this a truly historic election, and it's all made possible by the folks up here who have been so helpful, and by andrew hemmingway, who is doing a terrific job as leader here in the state, and i'm looking very much forward to questions, so -- [applause] all right. starting here. yes, ma'am. stand up and ask the question. >> hi, thank you so much for taking my question. i wanted to talk to you about welfare because talking about how important care is in terms of health of americans and save money -- [inaudible]

[inaudible] [inaudible] >> i believe in preventative care and early testing for a various of conditions. colonoskopy is the best because colon cancer caught early is very easy to cure if caught early, but if it's late, it's fatal. i told people all along, you write a 2700 page bill, there's a good chance you get 300 pages right. let's stipulate that. there's 300 good pages in obamacare. it's not, you know, i don't trust the washington staff, so what i would do is repeal the bill and then take the good pages and repass them, i would not try to repeal 80% over 90%

of the bill because i don't trust the washington staffs at two o'clock in the morning in terms of the deals cut and the way they write it, but there's pieces dealing with health technology, which is in the bill, and that would save a lot of lives and billions of dollars, but i think if there's good ideas in the bill, they can be passed as free standing small bills because they are things people really want. i would try to fast track them to get them passed quickly and figure out what the bridging mechanism is so that you don't have a break up in services, but i would first start in the 21st century contract, and i would ask the new congress, coming in on the 3rd of january, to repeal obamacare, dad-frank, and sarbanes, and then hold them so obama can't veto them, and i would sign them on the 21st of january, and then ask the congress to go to work immediately putting back into

place the pieces that are really good that most americans agree with. yes, sir? >> [inaudible] [inaudible] >> the 10 #th of january to help stick conservative. >> i will. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> good question. i studied under ronald reagan, met with him first in 1974. reagan faced the same problem, and he found that consistency

really worked, that if you take key positions, food checks versus paychecks for example. the gap is so wide, it's difficult to distort it, and what you want to finds is, you know, american energy versus buying brazil energy. the president went to brazil saying i want to be your best customer. the president 1 not a foreign purchasing agent, but should be selling american products around the world. that's a gap so big between purchasing agent of brazil oil and seller of american manufactured goods, it's hart for the "new york times" -- they'll succeed to some extent, but hard to distort that. the american people are smart. we have hundreds of sources of information and lots of ways of having conversations, and people are used to reading things. i found -- one example -- when i first became speaker, it was an

enormous shock to the establishment. no republican won in 40 years. they knew it couldn't be good. they knew i was a conservative. you could see the shock on election night in their eyes. before i'm sworn in, "time" has me on the cover as scrooge, and i was standing there with tiny tim, and it showed i broke his crutch. the following week, "newt -- "news week" wanted to catch up, and there was a title called "the grinch that stole christmas." here's what happened with average middle class americans because they are used to how liberal they are. they said, oh, newt's for welfare reform. that's a 92% issue.

that didn't hurt us at all. i think what i've got to do is have a compelling message. i've got to use youtube and facebook and twitter and all of the different devices allowing us to communicate around the elite media. we have talk radio. it appears easier because when you have something as solidly as conservative as a manchester union leader, that communicates and undoes half of the "new york times" damage. it was a grand irony last week that the "des moines register" a liberal paper, endorsed the right leader, and i thought that cleared up the race for anybody who was confused. yes, sir? [applause] >> [inaudible]

>> how many people here are refugees from massachusetts? raise your hand. [laughter] okay. we'll have to have a conversation later. we're thinking about doing a massachusetts rally at some point in new hampshire, and i'm now convinced we could have a please don't turn america into massachusetts, which might be a great way -- [applause] maybe -- [applause] i don't have andrew's permission yet, but maybe on the 4th when i fly in from iowa, we could have a massachusetts reminder rally so everybody can be reminded what the real choice is in the primary between two very different approaches to governing. i realize we could get a lot of folks without having to have anybody drive up from massachusetts. [laughter] go ahead. >> [inaudible] >> yeah, look, in an ideal

world, 24 -- this is not how you would solve things, but i agree with john boehner. if you're going to extend the cut, extend it for a year. those of you in business who have to deal with payrolls know this idea of a two month extension, and then you don't know what's going to happen next, there could be another crisis in february to pass it for two months to have another crisis. this is a stupid way to run a country. it's embarrassing. it's e equivalent to the italian parliament. to have them leave -- i didn't realize at the time, but i was fortunate with bill clinton. i would not have said that at the time. he'd been goff nor for -- governor for 12 years, but and obama nerve really served in the u.s. senate because he was running for president, and he's

not president because he's busy running for reelection, so he's had no government experience, and -- [applause] [laughter] so the results a total mess, and harry reid, i was fortunate to have a republican senate working with bob dole and trent lot. reid is a partisan democrat who passes a bill and leaves the city. by what right does the senate have as america's definer and then leave. they need to get back in washington, get the job done, have a yearlong bill, have stability, and move on to something new. we look embarrassing incompetent as a country. to tell you of the three key players, boehner, reid, and obama, i think boehner had the most courage and has been the most willing to try to do the right thing, anteother two are not only zero help, but have been destructive while

manipulating the press to make boehner look bad. it's all manipulation, and if president obama thinks he can have another 365 days of manipulation to get reelected, he underestimates the american people to see through fraud and understand the corzine model of free enterprise doesn't work and the obama model doesn't work either. >> [inaudible] >> be brave. >> [inaudible] [inaudible] >> oh, i'd be very different from president bush. i deponent say that as a negative thing of bush, but i came from the reagan wing of the party. there's two components. one is conservative, and the other is an absolute identity with the american people. if you go back -- we were fortunate to do a movie about reagan called rendezvous of

destiny, and you go back, get the best speeches, they are about us. they are never about i. they are about we. they are about america. a lot of what i do, this is why i tell people i never ask you to be for me because if you are for me, you'll go home and say i hope newt fixes it, and i can't. i ask you to be with me, to stand next to me. if you watch reagan's farewell address, it's about what, what we did. that's very important. if you mobilize -- one example, a specific example -- >> do you think bush didn't do that? >> a specific example. there was a bush plan for social security. you can't have a bush plan for social security immediately after winning a negative campaign in which all you proved was there were more antikerry voters than anti-bush voters

because every anti-bush voter was against the plan from day one, even if it was the right plan. the minute they titled it the bush plan, and if they had younger members in congress go out -- we have on 85 campuses, young people now leading the effort for a younger american right to choose, a personal social security savings account, but it's not newt gingrh.