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about the 2,001 amtracs investigation call and i can tell you having lived through that investigation as a former director of the fbi laboratory that this work is very authoritative. it is very complete, very thorough. i believe that one of my favorite passages in the book occurs toward the middle of the book, and it talks about the dichotomy between the traditional investigative approach and the scientific approach that was being conducted during this investigation into not passage he says in contrast to the spectacles that surrounded the searches of stevan hatfield's apartment in upon, the

scientists work continued methodically and quietly. that passage described very well the two approaches to this investigation, and it was the effort of many scientists both in the fbi laboratory in around the country that i believe led to the solution of this investigation, and that solution i believe is captured expertly in the book called mirage man. if i would like for you to help me welcome david wellman to the forensic institute. [applause] >> thank you very much, dr. it's an honor to be with you at the institute of central oklahoma university i'm pleased to see so many students who are being trained here for this important

work and i want all these students to realize a group of very well prepared scientists far as dr. adams diluted to actually some of the heroes of my book the work was crucial to unravel the attacks of 2001 which stands as the most complex scientific challenge ever undertaken so my message in brief is study hard, please because we need you all. i would like to highlight of the story of the mirage man a look forward obviously to taking your questions at the conclusion. this book stands on the shoulders as diluted to my work at the "los angeles times," and it's for those of you that are not reading the l.a. times every day i had looked in greater depth and to a battle behind the scenes in washington over the

pre-existing vaccine the only approved anthrax vaccine this country has ever had the the new product the next generation vaccine genetically engineered and in fact invented by scientists at the army's research complex in frederick maryland that ties indirectly. i have also dug into a lawsuit that stevan hatfield, former warfare scientist had filed against the fbi and justice department related to the treatment that he experienced in the initial years of the fbi investigation and through reading the pages of testimony gathered amid litigation in the exhibits along with the testimony it gave me a valuable insight into what had happened with this investigation of police and the initial stages of it so it was uniquely positioned

by the spring of 2008 and why reporting was propelling me toward the most important and solve a mystery lingering from the fall 2001 deutsch, and that would be the anthrax letter attacks. five people developed infections from those attacks and were killed by the letters. each death of course remains a tragedy yet the letter said even more far-reaching effects on the society. legislation called the patriot act had been introduced immediately after september 11th. it was very controversy all and questioned seriously by the libertarians because of expanded the authority to supply a known our citizens and in the united states senate the committee was quick to do with a view of the senate which is to slow things down to make sure they actually read the bill to see what was in it and then the anthrax nutter

was kicked and people on both sides of the ogle the column chris told me during my research at that point was game over there was no chance for slowing down of legislation. it blasted through the congress and passed the senate by 98 period one. another cause that was immediately coupled with amtrak's attacks -- anthrax attacks -- there was some of the administration and outside of the commentary and who were prominent members of the bush administration, defense secretary donald rumsfeld, secretary paul wolfowitz. i'm sure these are remember to leave the familiar names the wood averted in 1998 saying believe viable policy in that part of the world was to take out saddam hussein for sublease of the attacks were a gift in the laps of these ideologues' and they immediately began

intimating the attacks were sponsored by saddam hussein or al qaeda or both interests. the third major policy consequence that flowed from the attack was something called project bayh yo shield which provided billions of dollars into the development of new medical product vaccines other countermeasures that may make us safer in the even god forbid of another biological attack but the project was a company also why the german expansion of the laboratories around the country it agreed expense, great ongoing expense to the country and this means 11,000 for scientists and technicians are being brought into this work and dillinger the lethal pathogens without the concern it controls the would give the assurance whether these people were trustworthy to begin dillinger these things. so these were very big things. buildings in washington were

closed, the operations of the united states supreme court were affected. government color residential, business was greatly disrupted and so in the daily life deduce box had become an instrument so i would like you to be stand back a little bit with of the yellow tape investigation and a look at this and these are of enormous magnitude and they must be essential life-saving lessons that can be applied but it was like take away doing my reporting initially mother of this could happen they couldn't be applied in the fundamental facts surrounding the talks themselves continue to be modeled cullet confused and vandalized so that's the country deserve to know what happened here and this is why i set out to research and write this book to try to separate verifiable

facts from fiction. i decided the book had to be on record. i lived in chickasaw and we all heard of junk science and times had to say that the coverage of the anthrax attacks too often amounted to junk journalism. at the time when the country most needed journalists to be scrupulous and skeptical of their reporting to the accounts to get face value or amplified claims that were dead wrong seven tracks the tax of course unfolded ten years ago because we know in fact was on this very day ten years ago a photo editor of the national enquirer with robert stephens was diagnosed with inhalation will anthrax and extraordinarily rare infection for a human being to have. behind the scenes of good scientific work was quickly under way and fbi microbiologist helped arrange for a sample of

the spinal fluid to be flown overnight to one of the top geneticists in the country in flagstaff. by the next morning the would be october 5th the determined that this was no ordinary anthrax. but it was the material was being used extensively in the u.s. by a defense research program and most extensively by the u.s. army. bob stephens died that same day garnered some attention, some coverage but the full spectacle of the mailing didn't burst into public view for another ten days on october 15th. it was on that letter addressed to tom daschle was opened on the fifth floor of the senate office building in washington that power to build of the envelope and filled a couple of in terms that fill the floor. a was quickly sucked up into the

ventilation system and we have immediate full-blown crisis. it would be difficult no standing here in oklahoma to overstate the fuehrer, bushehr pnac at greenwashing to that moment. hundreds of people who had worked with ought to be a serious risk of a potentially fatal anthrax infections and who would have done this? october 26, 2001 brian ross the chief investigative correspondent of abc news came all the air to offer apparently in answer and he asserted in his report on world news tonight that this material mailed to senator daschle had been chemically treated, had been with the dice with the material called in tonight which we knew was a signature of the biowarfare program. you can imagine the impact of

that story. similar reports persisted throughout the run-up to the iraq war and i want to make clear it's not just mainstream news accounts that were purveying this information if you can call it that there were also articles in the scientific literature most notably first 2002 the journal of the american medical association published an article called the consensus statement on anthrax which reported that the material built senator daschle had been quote, chemically treated to reduce in other words what the highest to enhance its dispersal no footnote was cited for the claim. i can tell you my research for this book felt there was no credible basis for these assertions all of which regrettably fuel the rush to the war. the book also provides the first by no graphical portrait of another bio warfare science a fellow named bruce ivins and to

learn about bruce siphons i traveled to a small town about 40 miles east called lebanon ohio and was there lebanon was and remains eight held in middle america that sort of invokes the norman rockwell sketch. bruce was born there in 1946 with three sons. his father was a pharmacist in the second generation proprietor of drugs established in 1893 cap. randall was a graduate of princeton university and was well liked, very generous, not much of a businessman but very gregarious person. he grew up in a home that was not norman rockwell. his mother was a fierce presence, she exerted tyrannical dominance over the home.

she was mentally and physically cruel. she didn't attack the father ramble with whatever was in hand. it could be broome, a fork. one night it was a skillet to the head that mocked him out cut and she saw him as her prodigy. bruce's schoolmates and i interviewed dozens of people who had grown up with bruce in those years schoolmate's college teachers of others, townspeople they told me that mary left a mark on bruce, a lefty to the collapsing or so from an early age bruce was a scientifically gifted student, however he was socially isolated. he never could fit in with whatever reason but yet he craved it as she got older and older he demanded both attention and approval and those are two

things for the life of bruce. he thought these things in strange ways and hidden ways to manipulate it. he held grudges and pursued them almost invariably anonymously in ways that allowed him to a lewd accountability for his misdeeds. he went to the university of cincinnati and one is an undergraduate and microbiology and was there as an undergraduate at a very important event took place that would really cast some of his destiny. he asked a will run out for a date and she declined his invitation and quickly forgot about this but bruce ivan's ever did. he retreated to a -- he would torment only the institution but also certain members of kkg.

this was in full evidence after he had received his ph.d. in microbiology from cincinnati over to chapel hill north carolina where he was employed as a researcher and there he met a woman he took a shining too, a doctoral student. and the ansi was an attractive woman, a terrific student in the someone who clearly had what you think it would take to have a dynamic career. the ansi quickly so determined that bruce was a peculiar abnormally stranger and rebuffed his overtures for closer friendship. this enraged him and so he started a campaign against nancy that he proceeded on for decades. most notably in the early stages in 1979 after bruce moved more than 300 miles with the state of maryland he drove back to chapel

hill and secretive we broke into a room where the ansi slash notebook was a lot of you i don't know if you appreciate it but we didn't have computers that there were no flesh drives or backups all of her data and experiments, everything her ph.d. hogan was in that note bookend know it was gone so she was highly concerned apoplectic about it and looking relatively low and behold here is an anonymous note that says if you go to this mailbox at this intersection of chapel hill this afternoon you'll find your notebook, a lotus note. so the police go in and find it in the notebook is there. after bruce sissons was meeting with a psychiatrist in washington, d.c. not far from where he was working in maryland and he confided to her psychiatrist that peak coveted and heated in the ansi is all

the qualities she wanted perhaps in the life that he wanted and felt he never received from his mother so deep feelings and confessed that he had developed only recently abandoned plot to poison a kelliher -- kill her. in december 1980 he was hired by the navy at the biowarfare research institute. he was hired to work with anthrax to grumet, pyrrophyte come prepared for tests with animals. it's important to note the darbee hired bruce for that job because there was a great concern in the u.s. intelligence community at that time that the soviet union was illicitly pursuing a weapons program with anthrax even though they were the signer of the international treaty that band the use of these biological materials that fear was they were engaging in this illicit program and i will tell you that they were.

so at fort dietrich bruce - actually was a quick and sort of seamless fit. he was differential to the uniformed personnel and truth be told he was a much better selling interest than most if not all of the informed personnel so that increase she did him to the boss is that like him and he was always eager to do more but the secret of sessions and his vendetta continued he drove all the way up through western maryland up to morgantown west virginia where he broke into an office of kkg and he stole various artifacts from the house including what for him was a trophy. the book of the ritual that included all of the secret codes and passwords to rituals of the sorority. this he would later acknowledged to the fbi gave him a great sense of power he felt over the

surety of certain people who were affiliated with the sorority. how did he exited that powered? he took out classified ads and clingstone and offered to anyone who wanted the ritual for kkg he would send a copy. the little twist, and this is the hallmark of bruce, the twist was that he placed the ad to be in the name of a woman that was a derivative of the husband of a ansi id in fact he had rented a mailbox in the name of that same man. i shall also say this was the first burglary he burglarized the house in chapel hill a couple of years earlier and had gotten the other artifacts that helped his mission. meanwhile the top objective even by the mid 80's was developing in next generation in this

project deemed important attraction of the aftermath of the gulf war of 1991 when as many of you may be aware there was tremendous courage of mercy because service personnel who were inoculated with the vaccine completed a wide array of adverse effects so there was a desire among the government to come up with a better savor more effective vaccine that would last laura bischoff. in service of this work in 1997 put together and created a huge - of purified, highly purified spoors of the anthrax but not just garden variety. this was anthrax he made sure was pristine and it was going to support, he fought, the balance of the animal testing that would be needed to bring the next generation of law and and he inventoried them under the code name r m or 29 and.

sunni enough however hyphens was placing -- he was very self aware of his own shortcomings and felt he wasn't giving respect because of his look into other things and he was very concerned what he was on to the detouring mental state so in july 2000 that date is important for obvious reasons in july 2000 he wrote in the e-mail that said he was having paranoid delusional thoughts. he worried he was becoming like his mother who he termed it under diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. he was talking about his impulses to do harm worried he couldn't control them, worried he would physically harm others and to, quote, terrible things. also in july 2000, and he acknowledged to another behavioral therapist that he had come up with a new plot that he

just abandoned once again - to kill a lab technician of his that had broken its heart by leaving the fort. he was obsessed with this woman it remains such so let stand back for just a second if i could ask you to do that. hindsight obviously is 2020 but i take a more important and fair question is what is known about bruce in the real taibbi and his wife held as the year 2000 the news he was receiving psychiatric treatment they knew he was taking a number of psychiatric drugs and he was taking lunesta in the july of 2005 his dose had been doubled. he did keep the secret to himself and never put this on the form when he was getting a booster shot in vaccine but he

was also in july of 2000 taking and it is a product. they had been working with nuclear material would have been removed from duty at the first cited in the instability or problem with the army allowed him to maintain unrestricted unsupervised access to the deadliest anthrax kept by the united states government and obviously this is highly portable material. the speed of the laws of letters was less than the epigram that was recovered per letter so just a tiny amount of this material can create panic and kill people. one of the surprises in my research came in response came in the mail one day to the freedom of information act that i file with the u.s. army i asked for all documentation related to any mental health evaluations in response from the army maj it declared the english that even i could understand

said that at no point during the employment by the army had the service ever sought to evaluate his mental fitness to handle anthrax so let's fast-forward to the spring and summer of 2001. the next generation a anthrax vaccine was in fact be of the back burner. those were the exact words to be of the supervising the army major general who was over biological and chemical warfare research and bruce - do it because he was hearing it firsthand at meetings he was attending at the pentagon said he was being pushed to transmission of of the research to go to something else. he was angry about this. he voiced directly to colleagues voice and his e-mail but what could he do about it? bruce - was a good student and he was a student of talf. crisis moves the bureaucracy, what moves the elected officials

and policy. he do that for. crisis was why he got tired and he had worked at the fort during the days of the persian gulf war and had seen a lot of things happen in fast times but without a crisis would have been delayed forever so in august of 2001 he began walking the delete late hours of the week plates and on weekends at the fort. he did so alone. these continued through september 2001 and picked up again in october which i will get to but of course that we had the september 11 attacks and i wanted to ask you to bear with me with what i thought our important dates on september september 21st he said an e-mail to the ansi and she was shocked she hadn't heard from him in years and it came out of the blue. in the e-mail they predicted another big terrorist event that would put the fort in 224/7

action very similar to what happened in the first gulf war. september 26 he sent via e-mail to the lab technician the same woman he planned to place in and with whom he remained the best. here is quote in this e-mail september 26th. i just heard tonight that the terrorists for sure have anthrax. osama bin laden has just declared death to all jews and all americans. the state's september 21st of september 26 are important because of that we've only the perpetrator new the first anthrax letters postmarked september 18th were still going through the mail and here's the exact message in those letters. we have this anthrax. death to america, death to israel. so then we have ever that a

moment ago the october 15th letter to senator daschle was opened to the fbi rushes that letter to the fort because they have a biocontainment sweep to work on this kind of dangerous pathogens. there was immediate speculation about iraq complicity in the attacks perhaps al qaeda and bruce was in the middle of it in fact he was handling the evidence. i will let you read my book to see the details on that but there was a tremendous breach in the protocol for how the chain of custody for the evidence was supposed to be maintained and he was telling bruce anyone who would listen to him how frightening yet how spectacular this material was. what this amounts to is maximum shock and a tremendous spectacle of fear that this with the attacks were all about and certainly for bruce by this point he was getting so much attention that he couldn't have been more content with the

attention. so let's go back inside momentarily to the investigation. as you might recall each of the recovered letters were postmarked in trenton new jersey the fbi and postal service examined more than 600 collection offices in that area just one mailbox tested positive. they were an exact match for the anthrax the was used in the later attacks. so with all of this in mind an fbi agent who was working on her own asked the question why was this one mailbox at princeton deutsch jersey selected? so she started doing some searching around and she from some key words in the research. ten nassau street across from princeton university. the address was at 20 almost

adjacent comer right adjacent to the mailbox itself. it was a very powerful moment in this investigation. i mention that the consequences of putting the project by yo shield, and it turned out the very first contract awarded and the project was for $877.5 billion for the development of the next generation anthrax vaccine upon which he helped to patton. this never would have been awarded without the anthrax attacks and without a contract or sorry, with the contract he had one of only the attention but now the approval, scientific validation that he craved so before closing i would like to invoke the wisdom of howard baker the longtime former senator from tennessee. senator baker was it was once

said in washington he who does not to his own horn may find it untooted so with that i would like to share a brief passage about my book that was written and posted by carl cannon is washington editor of politics. mr. cannon wrote he should be required reading every journalism school the law school in this country. it should be the textbook of the case study the fbi in "virginia and the police academy everywhere. should be handed out to the members of congress when they arrived at washington and to the staffers assigned to the committees of the white house national security council. i'm not going to disagree with a word of that and thank you very much look forward to your questions. >> speed i have the microphone.

senator leahy was one of the intended targets by the letter that was not opened it hearings to this day convinced that bruce ivins was not the only one responsible for this attack. in your research did you find anything to support his contention that bruce ivins could not have acted alone? >> i was in the senate hearing room in 2008 when senator lee he interrupted the fbi director to say that bruce was the perpetrator of he and senator leahy did not believe he could have done this alone their must be accomplices that could be charged, accessories before and after the fact of the murder. in contrast to that assertion and i've asked senator leahy's office to provide the basis for that assertion and they've never

done so to my knowledge they've never spelled of in public his thinking on this i shall also reiterate they were intended victim of the tax and was frustrated at the earlier course of the investigation but one of the most important things in my research or my conversations with a microbiologist and john. he was one of three people who hired bruce r. ravens and ytd it was a respected microbiologist and his own right. it turns out that there's only one person who has created power in the practice officially call lawfully in an authorized fashion and the like real as to has done that so he did with the equipment at the fort. he knows what can they and can't be done a and his quote to be is it is almost an insult to assert

microbiologists of his skill could not have produced the material using the attacks with the containment resources that he had a right there. stevan cover questions. >> you mentioned that the news media jump on the fact that there was a possibility that this amtrak's him from some of usian or whoever. was that an issue of somebody jumping to the wrong conclusion or was their misinformation given out by a government agency or an individual, any reference to that? >> a combination of both but think you for your question. one of the spectacles that is the constructed in this book is how certain senior scientist who was not a bacteriologist and the influx of course is a bacterium

this individual works of the viruses but he looked at this material and came to the conclusion based on what he was seeing the must be chemically treated with been sunlight or some other material so the next thing you know he is any vehicle with a major general from frederick and they come down to several departments of human services, they go over it met with paul wolfowitz the deputy defense secretary the pentagon and that semite they were called in to the white house and briefed on several cabinet officials of the white house that this material appeared to have been chemically treated with what was regarded as an indicator signaled saddam hussein's biowarfare program. that from the conclusion and that scientists by the way his team was peter balsillie conceded to be to his credit but that he was called and he was a

point of his team to use his language and that he defers to the experts. the fbi laboratory engaged one of the national laboratories and sandina performed the most far reaching analysis of the material that has been done today and conclusively established that the material was not treated with the chemical. >> other questions? >> was there a final piece of evidence that allowed them to catch him or was it just a buildup of a lot of things? >> the case as dr. adams said in his introduction rests on a combination of the law enforcement evidence were really

cutting and science a lot of genetic work so those two things merge together and the fbi ultimately determines that the material that was used in the attack came from this one flask that bruce labeled 1029. he created the material. he was the sole custodian it was later also provided to the one of the research facility in the midwest. with the fbi did for the conventional methods was to check out the potential ally of indy 500 and all people who have access and that narrowed it down to a group of something more than 40 people who have moly access to the expertise to do something with it and bruce was the only one who didn't have an alibi. he was the only one working in these extraordinary hours in the run-up to the september 18th postmark in the second wave of anthrax which was postmarked

october 9th, so the government informed his attorneys that they were getting very close to indictment and that they could be a death penalty case. that information was communicated directly and july 29th 2008 she died of a massive overdose of tylenol p.m. so the case regrettably was never brought to a conclusion and the judicial system. it was either a guilty plea or a trial. >> more questions? >> you said he had the flask with anthrax. was it ever determined how he got it out of the hands he essentially? did he just walked out the front door of the flask of anthrax? >> there were no video cameras

to monitor activity or that kind of creature. this is the material that is so small it could be put under a coffee and taken out so the symbol and search your question is no. there is no videotape insert how anthrax would have been taken out of there. i would say two things that i think reflect all that question or there on that question. one is that bruce ivins relief beginning in november of 2001 made for several years thereafter was telling the fbi that any one of seven of his colleagues he thought they have perpetrated the attacks so he certainly thought was possible. the other thing that happened is that in december of 2001, perhaps november or december of 2001 he ultimately acknowledged that he conducted a sort of stuff cleanup campaign and his personal office which was

outside of the containment and he went arnold with bleach and cleaned things up and he had already determined these appeared to be positive anthrax spores and he was asked by investigators did you go round to swallow those areas to make sure that you got it all? he was asked this in april of 2002 by the army investigators and his response then was i can't remember whether i did that. nothing about the plausibility or the lack thereof in that statement. this was an area outside of the zone where family members come to the janitorial staff, none of them are vaccinated against anthrax and he can't remember if he verified to get all of the spores out of there? i think that statement is highly questionable the hid i know it was a statement to investigators and the fbi revealed as highly important. the altar that audit by the

investigators to see where in the loose scores the of bed in that 2002 come to them and only one personal office space and all of the four to a that was bruce's office. spinnaker was a special container, wasn't it? >> if you put it in a cup wouldn't you run the risk of [inaudible] >> the question is what physical container with the material have to be put in? hypothetically somewhat of dr. ivins' skills could have had the envelope with him and could have loaded the spores into the letters come sealed them with the tape, they were sealed tightly with tape kaput timoney ziploc bag and a walkout.

>> forgive me if this is false information but i did read the following after the reunited states anthrax leaders attack there were some or there was a letter found in and chile. is that connected to bruce ivins attack or is that completely false information? >> there are a lot of letters that chile with a number of the country that were hoax letters. there was no other letter in any part of the world that contained this unique batch of anthrax either mainstream, lie of anthrax spores of any kind were certainly anthrax with spores that were derived from this.

>> the one that people have the letters sent to them least with anthrax, why were they specifically targeted by bruce? >> that's a great question and i should point out that there were four letters the were recovered. appears there were a total of five letters read the letter that was sent to the office of the national enquirer was never recovered. the shall inquire gets tons of junk mail and the threat of and it is almost immediately incinerated regrettably to this investigation there was a plume of anthrax that was mapped from the mailroom at the company inquirer all along the path where the deliver was delivering the mail and ernesto came down

from this and survived. but why those targets? bear in mind i think the intent of the attack was to create shock and fear and what better way than to send it to the most prominent tabloid in this country, to send it to the two highly placed individuals at the heart of the government the senate judiciary leahy of tom daschle and throw in a network news anchor tom brokaw and editor of the new york post which is among the mainstream newspapers is the most prominent paper and new york so it was to create maximum shock and mission accomplished.

>> in regards to stevan hatfield do you know what was paid out to him by the fbi? >> i do. i believe was june 25th, 2008 the government agreed to settle his lawsuit for 5.82 cahal million dollars. i interviewed stevan hatfield at some length for this book and he remains of the belief in the opportunity that he has for the normal sciences is over at this point. >> for my own peace of mind has policy of the army lab changed all or is there still a lack of surveillance and pravachol -- pravachol? >> this is the one important question to be asked in the

aftermath of the amtracs attacks and a ghost of the lessons learned that could be applied but i don't think have been applied to this point. up front if you read bill aspect of the mirage man please read the epilogue where the dynamics of the denial and opposition to eddy new controls on how the materials are handled is laid out. things have gotten tighter. the to have video cameras fell to the canal. there is no one measure that can give you complete confidence however i would say the entire year defense community has imposed certain mandatory controls of the body of defense community once the money for these facilities and the research without the control of the opposed baseline psychological screening, and the impose a mandatory two per cent rule so they find psychiatric screening the may well have

silence of amtrak's work bear in mind he articulated his plot to kill anc would give the two per cent rule would have greatly inhibited and probably prevented cruce from doing what he's doing. the split also goes back to the r question about how the fbi narrowed down the list of suspects in the case. there was a research institute as i said earlier in the midwest that had been working with the memorial institute that turns out that there was a mandatory to person rule for a very long time and the scientists who were working were always doing it in tandem and they were rarely work to get the same time. so it really cuts down on the possibility that there was a rogue in city as insider out there but yet the community to this day and adamantly opposes

the two per cent rule the say that it would increase cost there is also the text that would infringe upon academic freedom a lot of this work is done in the facilities that are associated with the universities and i would say to that working with anthrax and these other highly portable and a lethal pathogens is need for a universal right, civil right, nor a matter of academic freedom as a privilege and yet our policy makers have yet to make exchanges. >> of course you are all the other side. >> what if there is another bruce ivins out there? what if someone creates it in their home or their lab or what not. what is the fbi or our security doing to prevent something like that from happening again?

>> regrettably i think our national policy response to the attack has exponentially grown the threat of another insider with his or her unique position in the knowledge and access to resources to do something affordable that creates panic in this country and kills people. so that's a reality out there. i think it is also true that law enforcement and the fbi in particular is better positioned to investigate these crimes i wouldn't say they are better positioned to prevent them, but the fbi now has a lot more scientific power in the house than existed in the fall of 2001. i think there were to microbiologists in 2001 but that's changed dramatically.

>> dui with bruce had a close personal relationships with the high-profile government >> about to my knowledge. i know that he was a real student of what was in the newspapers every day, he was always sort of latching onto the big stories of the day. he wrote scores of letters to leave the newspapers but to members of congress and was very animated and agitated about the number of issues. sometimes you have to wonder if he really believed it. he wrote one letter to the post that appeared to defend the civil rights of special meanwhile association and this provoked a dozen or more crossing gingrey letters and after it had been lit he came back in with another letter and said everybody must have misunderstood why wasn't trying to defend them and then he took a whack at them.

sorry that isn't quite a direct response to your question but to my knowledge he didn't have a personal relationship with indy 500 of the elected officials. other questions? >> stupak from a forensic psychology played till view if he had a mother like carol brady would this have happened? >> who knows. i feel all of us can point to some familiarity directly or through acquaintances with people who've overcome traumatic childhood so that's why in the book i'm very careful to say that people who grew up with him believe that his mother left this mark on him to really

answer that authoritatively gets into the nature versus nurture question which i don't think has been settled yet. stick and a unique opportunity to purchase the mirage man danilo atrium and have david willman sign that for you and i will be available immediately upon closing here. will you join me in the thinking mr. willman for coming today. [applause]

not all of your screen bohm book tv is kenni thomas and he's written this book to get it on the. kenni thomas, tell us about your experience with your connection with glasscock down to this but i was a part of the 75th regiment if we were the guys that went in on that mission -- >> 93. it was initially the raid and everything changed in the first helicopter got shot down and just like that the course of our lives changed. so what by did all that is in the but it is going to make it out of something you are going to spend the rest of your life thinking of the people on your left and right that day because i know by the grace of god that is the only reason why you hear a suit to use every opportunity you have to tell your story.

-- kenni thomas, walk us through that day to estimate there were dhaka the jury's still that thing we would be here for hours but i can tell you my experience was we came in on the mission and everybody thought i was going to be a normal thing. inlet rescue. what we didn't know is we would lose 18 guys and 70 hour wounded and 130 of us went in and if you do the math that some of us got wounded and got hit and those numbers would have been significantly higher had it not been for the levels of planning and training that mostly the leadership at every level. from david floyd who is the one who saves everybody all the way it to general garrison and we know that a bid by the time the morning lows around if you know the story we were there to help the pilot and waited for the pilot.

they put on body armor and the al qaim avaya volunteered. the truck's drive away the rest of us ran out. they're again, you may get out your going to spend your life thinking those folks and it is an extraordinary story but as good as you heard the story as many times nobody can tell what about david floyd and sergeant walz and the way that i can because those are my guys read steve equine did you leave the rangers? savitt i got out of the military in the 90's, picked up the guitar and started doing music full-time and that's where not to read this book think is a new thing for me. >> why are you writing this down in 2011? >> it's a good question. i get the chance to tell the story to a ton of people and the more people you can reach i feel like the more chance you have to make a difference with leadership and i started doing so than even some thought why haven't you written this story

of so i was number and they said to be to write this so we wrote it and it was as simple as somebody saying yes. when the publisher was like we would love to put out we went really in the was that simple and all of a sudden you have this book that we're on tv, we are in wal-mart. come on when something is in wal-mart you know something's happening. >> what is this about music and the guitar? >> i work in nashville on country music. it's kind of a neat thing you have all these fans coming in for music and now these new people at events like this coming for the book yet they are all coming to kenni thomas starting to figure out the message is which is set an example. lead the way. you are extraordinary. you can do amazing things a few are willing to shoulder the burden. >> who deeply within country music?

anybody? >> thea lee people haven't opened for is faith hill and tim mcgraw. we've been on the road with everybody. the opening act you get to see everybody that's been doing it for awhile now. >> is it will know you're an army ranger in your new career? spirit is. they know what i did and it affects the music of free nell irvin. i.t. like you have to entertain folks and when you write a story that's how you get people about how you captivate them. you tell the story that the and whether it is the guitar with a microphone or the book you better have something to say. it obviously but i have to say is lead the way. 67 thomas is the author of this book, get it on what it means to lead the way. u.s. army of blackhawk down talks about his experiences.

>> up next reporter callis the violence against african-americans during what became known as the red summer 1819. a precursor to the civil-rights movement of the 50's and 60's. the author describes how dhaka when world war i, african-american soldiers returned with expectations of leadership will be to be met by resistance leading to the deadly riots across the country. this is about intel -- about in our. [applause] >> thank you very much for coming out today. i want to start with a poem. there was a young men who worked on the railroad, the end he was terrified because every time he

and his friends traveled from town to tom they were not sure if they would be carried in a -- so they would run to their hotels with the regional terse just to make it safely and he was so traumatized by this piece of off of work and stretched optus sonnet and the last one of the song feeds the far out lovebird let us show brave per for that one of fighting back. that doesn't mention resettled. it was published in a socialist magazine in july of leyte 19. as soon as a was published every publicatioi