one thing you're going to learn tonight, ladies and gentlemen, is that the guy that you are here to see who is named mark steyn is a disabuse her false notion. most of you think you are here to hear a critic, and author, a commentator. let me begin by just reviewing a

little bit of his life because i think one of the neat things about mark steyn is that his very existence is a thumb in the eye to conventional wisdom and the things you thought you knew. mark steyn is from toronto, and like any intelligent person he got out as quick as he could. i mean as quick as he could, like 16. unfortunately he made the mistake of going east instead of self, so he wound up in london. back-and-forth between canada and england. now can you imagine living, as a teenager going back and forth in the great british empire what are you going to do with yourself? so, this guy becomes lots of different things, rock and roll dj, classical music deejay,

musical theater critic. he makes documentary's. he writes about opera. opera. this guy lives in the woods in new hampshire. he is a culture critic. opera, i like opera. i put it in the car when i'm taking the kids camping, you know, so it gives them a little culture as we are about to fish and stuff. [laughter] this is just a little bit about how cultured and how. a background mark steyn has. this is a guy that you are going to hear from. now people will tell you, especially people who don't like mark steyn there is a conservative critic. they are sort of dismissing by seeing a conservative critic as if that's something that's people shouldn't aspire to be, but as if that's belittling or demeaning as if he just

criticizes people. and that i think those marks piece of any great injustice. he's a great author, bestselling author. by the way, those of you who are here holding copies of his latest book might be interested to know that it was just announced that it made -- and will debut at number five in "the new york times" hard-cover nonfiction list. [applause] pretty good for a conservative critic. but once he went around and did his deejay and theater criticism and documentary, somehow wound up being diverted into this life of what i think they will call a conservative critic or conservative commentator. they are also wrong. again, his life, his work proves

them wrong. he isn't a cultural critic or conservative critic. he is -- and i'm not exaggerating, and human rights activist. some of you might laugh. your idea of a human rights activist is somebody who might have dreadlocks or beg a couple of days, holding a sign, protesting we need to take money from the free society and give it to dictators that is what people commonly associate. mark steyn is in fact the human rights activist. it is his riding on his work, dedicated to promoting liberty to make people less free as they can be and he doesn't just walk the walk. this is a guy who in writing about issues of freedom of oppression was brought up on charges mabey charges is too strong a word brought before the

human rights commission accused of bigotry and as they say things about muslims feared things after line 11 about islam about radical islam that some of the more sensitive people in the islamic community if you want to call it that in canada took offense to so they took him for three different human rights commissions we might find this baffling because we in to enjoy the freedom to criticize and called the people out when they think they are doing wrong. in canada they have a human rights code that says you are not allowed to talk of a group, a person or a group in a way that would subject it to hatred or ridicule and so forth were. so this group fought mark steyn is making people think that

things so they took him up in front of three different human rights commissions. of course each time was thrown out. and this is what i love about mark steyn. when i was thrown out of the human rights commission, when they said look nothing he said rose to the level of being something we get walking up for censored his writing for although in canada i think it is kind of frightening that there is such a thing as a human rights commission that does have the power for people who brought him up to the commission wanted to direct. they tossed it out and they got mad and said i wanted to lose i wanted to lose to take it to court, a real court, a real law so we can put this motion to bring a rest and free the people of canada that's the kind of person that mark steyn is, the

kind of human rights activism that is so important today and you are about to hear a lot about. so let's go back to the co welcome mark steyn. [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much. it's wonderful to be here in what the hell state are we in? new hampshire. i hope he's sure about that. i never recognized the bit with indoor plumbing my state of the stimulus package but it fell off the back of the tropics to the contract by 93, so we never did.

he mentioned opera in his introduction and it's true i used to introduce opera on the television a long time ago and a neighbor of mine of north who does they are making their parents some opera company in lebanon new hampshire. so he thinks he's like in the woods see what this is all about and we get a couple of tickets and is on his way down there in his pickup truck with his wife and gets pulled over by the called for speeding so the guy asked the driver the license and registration and opens the glove box and three guns followed and it's not in their heels of the thing in the middle and pulls off another five or six ploughs

are of the backseat tossing another five or seven guns on top of his wife and even jolie the cop gets bored and says forget it. just bring it into the police station and whatever it is the next seven days. by the way, where are you going in such a hurry? he says to the opera. [laughter] know, you laughed. it makes sense and to pack heat to the opera. if you've ever been in milan those arguments can get serious. i want to say something before we get going tonight. if you are from new hampshire and you listen to me very, very, very carefully, you may just here a very, very faint trace of just a little smidgen of

something in the accent i might lead you cannot believe i'm a native. i don't want you to worry about it is a malfunction in the sound system. we spent all afternoon trying to fix it, the engineers work on that nonstop but it's some kind of a misnomer we couldn't do anything about it but if you go home and catch the speech when it's shown on your television you will find that life seen digitally remastered back into my native yankee accent so there's nothing to worry about. i just want to discuss any of you tonight. i love the state and i discovered it by accident and i thought it would be nice to get a little ski condo for maybe a couple of weekends a year and pass the vacations of the weekend months how we london and new hampshire. so it would be nice to get a ski condo walkout 20 minutes later with a 200-year-old farmhouse.

i fell in love with the land and i never stopped loving it and i bought my dogs every morning but it never ceases even after all this time to take my breath away the system of government i saw what alexis de tocqueville saw when he told the jacksonian new england two centuries ago self-reliant citizens governing themselves in their own townships took full was smarter than me. he probably got the ski condo fully furnished in the mountains he's there for february and on the channel lansky report when they talk about the fresh powder they are referring to his wade there's a lot of sports bars they play the de tocqueville shtick just died, believe me. [laughter] so i came from the sweet land and i stayed for the liberty

which kind of snuck up on me and it is a little in periled which is what i'm going to talk about this evening. my book is called after america, get ready for armageddon. so, we are a little way from little house on the prairie type of stuff. i was going to say it is available in all bookstores but i see most of them have closed down this very day i believe borders has gone out of business. normally the only stock my books weigh in the back prompting up the leg on the table for all gore box set "and inconvenient truth the director's cut." but this time they are reluctant to carry the book at all they've taken the precaution of going out of business. [laughter] if you go to the big borders and today is the last day i don't know whether they are keeping their 10:00 closing hour but if you go to the big orders up in

concord my books in the front window even they didn't want it when you are launching a book you always want a bit of a publicity boost. something in the news cycle that gives you a lift and a lot of my books about the fiscal collapse so two days before the official release date s&p downgrade america from its aaa status for the first time in history. if you are in author you can't buy publicity like that. i mean you can if you have $15 trillion you are willing to toss it down the same colin the federal treasury but again that it gets pretty expensive and part of the book i compare britain's decline was what my america might be it's called the new bertoni of the per depraved city and two days before my book was published in the united kingdom, the british welfare deadbeat's decided to reenact

the chapter 5 of my book on the streets of london by burning have the city to the ground. again, you cannot buy publicity like that. drew mentioned i used to be a musical feeder critic. this is like chapter 5, the musical. if you ever been to a musical where they burned on the set and then lock concrete. it is fantastic. but the move cycle moves on and by the end of the week everybody is all about the iowa straw poll, the president to candidates and the congressman michele bachman has gone up and down the state come indianola, waterloo, quoting my book at every stop, and she wins the iowa straw poll and then she quotes my book on meet the press so between the downgrade and the london riots i had a pretty great opening week publicity byes. if you have red the ultimate chapter with its big nuclear finale you might want to be out of town when you do the

publicity tiny and for that. you don't recall after america because you want it to happen, you write it in order to prevent it from happening. total societal collapse is not in my interest. if you are in author the destruction of the banking system makes it much harder to catch the royalty check. so i want to prevent the dawn of the post american a bold and i hope you do too. two were in favor of the post american world and a college professor to the campus i don't think you enjoy it as much as you think you will i ask why being such a historical old queen about the whole business and if you recall president obama has not forgotten that commission all bipartisan and a blue ribbon just a few months ago they produced a report, melodramatically emblazoned the

moment of truth and after that dramatic title the proposed such compulsive course corrections as raising the age of social security eligibility, raising the age of social security eligibility to 69 by the year 20175 so we get calls like that we can sleep in for another half century, right? we foreigners know the smell of decay. we have lived it and when we want to get the with of it in our nostrils in america today that is a very worrying time. we know that small means let me quote another foreigner who spends part of the border in massachusetts.

last year michael ferguson, professor of oxford and harvard such eminent thinkers we at the as the ideas festival as barbra streisand and james rowland and professor ferguson told barbra streisand, "having grown up in a declining entire i do not recommend it it's just not a lot of fun actually declined. it's not. it really isn't, you don't want to go there and you're on the way they're the been declining for the fall and one hell of a fall. the scale is entirely different. no one uses the t word, trolley and in lisbon or dublin that word is unique to washington. and win a multi trillion dollar catastrophes lights off the cliff at planas with a much bigger fall than iceland or portugal. one of the saddest aspects of the present debate is the

american decline would be as comfortable for americans as british decline was for britain when the tax britannica yielded to the air, after the second world war. the dream on. the was the smoothest transfer of the global dominance in history and it isn't going to go that smoothly next time around and next time around is already under way. by 2016 according to the imf, the world's leading economy will be a communist dictatorship. that is in five years' time. think about that if the imf is right, the guy that we elect next november will be the last president of the united states to preside over the world's leading economy. the economic power will be a one-party state with the bureau presiding over a largely peasant population with no genuine market, no human rights, no property rights, no rule of law, no freedom of speech, no freedom of oppression, the land whose legal, political and hold

cultural traditions are as alien to its predecessors as could be devised and it will not nearly mark the end of the two century anglophone economic dominance, but even more, civilization a startling unlike the americans and the british and the dutch and the italians before them, the leading economic power would be a country that doesn't even use the roman alphabet. it's silly to assume this is just a matter of dollars and cents and debt to gdp ratios when money trains power trains remorseless sleep. the book before my book cannot everyone was very excited about whether we would reach a so-called deal on the debt ceiling before the clock chimed midnight on august 2nd. remember the big fuss about this august 2nd is looming. it's coming. it's approaching. august 2nd of midnight if we didn't reach a deal of work coach would turn back into a

pumpkin and air force one would turn back into a large zucchini with the two wings of president obama's the letter rugalach flapping limp as a trade to get airborne. i may be overextending the metaphor a little bit. [laughter] this is classic beltway nonsense. the debt ceiling deadline was entirely irrelevant. the problem was not the ceiling. it's the debt and cinderella negotiating to extend them it might deadline to maintain the illusion until 2 a.m. does not alter the fact that it is an illusion. to put the debt ceiling debate in perspective there was a dispute between john boehner and the congressional budget office about the so-called scoring of his plans. the speaker said his plan called for $7 billion of cuts for the 2012 budget. the cbo said the plan only reduce the 2012 budget by a billion dollars. which of these numbers is correct? who cares?

the $7 billion that john boehner recalls, quote, a real and forcible cut for the financial year 2012 represents what the government of the united states commonly boroughs every 37 hours. in other words, between now and the time and the end of the week it would borrow back every dime of the painstaking negotiated savings. if the cbo scoring is correct that it reduces the 2012 deficit by just $1 billion then the cut represents what the united states boroughs every five hours and 20 minutes as it takes time to drive upstate and back to and the time it takes to watch harry potter and the deadly hallows part one and two with a bathroom break in between all of the savings of the painstaking plan would have been borrowed back. 7 billion or 1 billion. who cares what is right. that is the choice between dead

or deader. shuttling back and forth between the capitol and the white house were, quote comer really enforceable cuts of one to $7 billion. let me give you some numbers that are rather more relevant. within a decade, the united states would be spending more of the federal budget on its interest payments than on its military. that is to save more on debt service than on the armed services and according to the cbo long-term budget outlook they would be paying between 15 to 20% of its revenue in the interests and defense spending would be down between 14 and 60% saw america to get this in perspective america is responsible for 43% of the world's military expenditures within a decade america will be spending more on debt interests and this is not paying off the principal. this is when you get your mastercard at the end of the month you can't pay off any of

the debt all you can do is stay current with the monthly interest charge. our monthly interest charge will be more than the combined military expenditures of china, britain, france, russia, japan, germany, saudi arabia, india, italy, south korea, brazil, canada, australia, spain, turkey and israel. you add up all of their military budgets, that is our interest charge on the debt. by 2015. by the way, that is if they say the current historical low. if they return to what they were with the average in the last 20 years about 5.7%, america will be spending more than the planet's entire litter a budget on debt interest. by about 2015 we will be covering the entire cost of the people's liberation army of china. that's what you guys have to pay for. small businesses in bedford,

suburban homeowners in nashua will be paying for the entire budget of the chinese military the roman empire got pretty stupid in its last years, so they didn't say to the roman taxpayers that as a matter of policy you are going to have to pick up the bill not just for the roman military but of military as well. it wouldn't have been so bad because the physical military budget was mostly just held. so they still love it got a better deal than we did. permanences the illusion of every age. we are not just outsourcing the economy, we are outsourcing power and as american power fades it was outsourcing the future. this is a bleak, and i and a

stand is a depressing scenario. i don't want to give away the ending of my book but when we do the musical version of drew is used to be encouraging we will focus the finale and out of town previews and change it to a happy ending in which mashaal bachmann sees the error of her ways and settles down with joe biden to run and all singing and all dancing department of community organizing grant applications in chicago. it will warm your heart. [laughter] until we close the door with disney on that particular project, let me say being bagram it starts with the money but it never stops there. let me spell out where the post american world leads. as for addiction. we spend too much. it's not a revenue issue it is spending issue. the united states during the rest of the western world in voting itself a lifestyle that is not willing to pay for, and indeed can never pay for because when you say to the copay

$4 trillion but only taken the $2 trillion which is the federal government model you can never close that with revenue. when government spends on the skill washington has gotten used to it isn't a spending crisis it is moral. there is nothing virtuous about caring, compassionate progressives demonstrating how caring and compassionate and progress of the hour by spending money yet to be earned by generations yet to be born. we are limiting the future to bribe the present. indeed, we have looted the future to such an extent it is no longer clear that we have one. that is the so-called fiscal conservatives often miss. it isn't a green ice age issue. increasing dependency, does incentivizing self-reliance, observing the citizenry from responsibility for their actions, the multi trillion dollar debt catastrophe is not the problem but merely the sum. and this is where i disagree with mitch daniels and some others. it's not about balancing the books. it's about rebalancing the very structures of society.

or is for redistribution. what's often talk about the redistribution of wealth when you redistribute from the future to the present you are redistributing wealth that is not yet been created. welford that does not exist. meanwhile, day-by-day in this republic we see in on president the transfer of resources from the productive class to be obstructive class. to the government, to regulators come to bureaucracies. so if much of this does not exist, what exactly are we redistributing? we are redistributing liberty, developing a self-governing republic to rule by regulators from bureaucrats and social engineers. just this week the formerly golden state of california, a broken jurisdiction whose rapacious government and dependency class of driving what is left of the productive clause to flee the border just this last week the state announced that its burning pretty is that

it needs to regulate bed sheets and motels and hotels. it will be illegal under the california sheet regime for motels and hotels to put long fitted sheets on their beds so there will be a sheet regulatory regime with sheet regulatory enforcers taking down the door of room 73 of the orange grove motel to check their in compliance with the california sheet regime. you can try to resist but they will kick of the sheet of you. [laughter] there is an apocryphal or will quotation to describe the way pacifists, even pacifists' assume the soldiery there to defend the realm. quote, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. ha says the state of california.

people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because the state agency of sheet regulation bans ready to do violence to innkeepers with mauney last decade it sheets. by the way, if there is any ku klux klan members to tonight, because i know you keep three -- tea party guy. if there is a ku klux klan member to life playing planning on flying in a in california and you will need a fitted sheet, okay? [laughter] when canada decriminalized homosexual become pierre said the state has no place in the veterans of the nation. but california says yes we do. if you are consummating or same-sex marriage on a non-compliance sheet. [laughter]

and so it goes to it i was talking to an undocumented immigrant from tijuana and he says that california is already a sheet government. these are not trivial things. they represent the remorseless redistribution of liberty. seven-year-old julie murphy was selling lemonade in portland oregon when two officers demanded to see her temporary are restaurant license, which would have cost her $120. when she failed to produce it, these officers threatened her with a 500-dollar fine. she was a seven-year-old girl. they also made her cry. now when i read these stories there was another one -- there was another one in the papers just the other day. u.s. fish and wildlife -- and the 11-year-old girl in

virginia, shiloh had rescued a woodpecker from a cat and spent a few days nursing it back to health before releasing at. an agent of the united states department of fish and wildlife and arrived with an escort of virginia state troopers to deliver a $535 fine to the little girl who rescued the woodpecker from the federal crime of transporting a species of woodpeckers. she transported out of the mouth of the cat who was eating at. serve the cat with a $535 fine for transporting the illegally transporting the woodpecker. [laughter] these are not small things. two officers shakedown the seven-year-old girl for the $500 a lemonade stand. officers from two agencies, federal and state, make the 11-year-old girl cry for

rescuing the woodpecker. they should be ashamed of themselves. this isn't a small thing. they do not understand the relationship between the citizen and the state. when i read these stories i'm always reminded of saudi arabia's religious police for the prevention of devices. except in this case or religious police, the religion they are enforcing is the state power. perhaps like the fierce bearded men they could be issued with whips and searches this leave the industry to the way that they do in every ad and jeddah. when life hands you lemons, you make lemonade and then watched the state enforcers turn it back into some were from. ask yourself this. it is exactly the same thing as with gun control. gun control isn't about guns it

is about control. woodpecker control isn't about woodpeckers it is about control. lemonade control isn't about lemonade. it's about control. if a second grader can no longer sell homemade lemonade in her front yard without $500 worth of permits, what aspect of your life can the government regulate? for more and more americans, more has been supplanted by regulation. a governing set of rules cannot legislate by the representatives accountable to the people but invented by an activist bureaucracy much of which is well to the left of either political party. you may remember that congress strict provisions for in the five counseling, the so-called debt panels out of the obama era. kathleen sebelius, the secretary of health and human services put them on her say so. they contain 700 references the psychiatry, quote commercial another 200 to the secretary,

quote, may and 100 of 39 to the sector, "determined. so the secretary may and shall determine pretty much anything she wants. but at random, quote, the secretary shall develop all health care components that shall include troop levels surveillance. triple surveillance is hitherto unknown history. but it's an obamacare. george iii never went in for trouble surveillance. of the stories about george washington's putting teeth were true, that would have killed the american revolution right there and then. i'm sure even colonel ghadafi goes in for troop levels are villans. from the colonial subjects to the servitude in a mere quarter millennia. [applause]

>> m is for monopoly. i mentioned a moment ago the house bill ideas festival has great thinkers like barbra streisand. i would like to cite another great thinker, george harrison of the beatles. in 1969 george harrison and the plight of ranging ramble briefly deutsch for out of the chant as lsd to the monopoly commission which is the british version of the u.s. antitrust division and he goes you know this is the thing i don't like it is a monopoly commission cap if somebody in kodak was cleaning out a monopoly with film the government sent them in there and said you are not allowed to monopolize. yet when the government's monopolize who is going to send in the monopolist commission to sort out one of? that is one of the most brilliant observations on government that has ever been made. there was an old joke in britain at the time. why is there only one monopolist commission? [laughter]

it is in fact an incisive observations on the nature of government. we wouldn't like it if there was only one automobile company or breakfast cereal but by definition there can only be one government, which is why when in george's word when the government is monopolizing it should do so only in very limited areas. and that is particularly true for the national governments when the nation that the governor is more than 300 million people disposed over the continent. but i think it gets worse than that. because it isn't just the monopoly of power. right now we have ruled by a monopoly of ideas, which is the most dangerous monopoly of all. in fact a kind of monopoly of gray matter as it were. take, for example, our so-called meritocracy. we are ruled buy effectively not technocrats, not a meritocracy

but a cartel of come from across who impose essentially a sterile monopoly of the outmoded ideas. you may remember the day after president obama's election michael beschloss held in this, quote, probably the smartest guy ever to become president, end of quote. why would you say such a thing? i mean, an impressive talent for the self-promotion what has he ever done? evin as a legendary figure, but original fox has he ever expressed in his entire life and yet he is, quote, probably the smartest guy to ever become president says michael beschloss, and he is a presidential historian. so he should know because he is a smart guy, too and lending a hand another smart guy the house conservative of "the new york times," hailed the incoming -- hill the incoming administration has a collection of super smart egghead's credentialed to their health, quote, a fallen enemy attacks the united states during the harvard yale game any time over the next four years, we are

screwed, end of quote. [laughter] he was right over a quarter of obama's political but appointees had ties to harvard over 90% have advanced degrees and yet they were screwed anyway. how did that happen? what kind of super smart guy all thinks the same thing? we are governed by the conference cruts who live in a self reenforcing bubble. we have a ruling class that thinks like and cannot conceive that anyone other than a racist, a terrorist or a mentally ill lunatic like my sometimes call the get fox news paul juan williams when he got fired from npr from accidentally wandering off the reservation for 30 seconds. they do what they are giving in the soviet union. they say we are just going to send you here, lie down here and let the men in white coats struck you of the and you will soon be feeling better. "the new york times" ostentatiously recruits it by sending its editors to hire people of the african-american

journalist convention, the women's journalist convention, the hispanic journalist convention, the gay and lesbian, bisexual and transgendered journalist convention. it recruits on the basis of diversity of race, diversity of gender, of orientation. every diversity except the only one that matters, diversity of ideas. and if anyone could use some new ideas right now, it is america's rich elite ruling class. [applause] a is for arteriosclerosis which is really the shortest answer to obama. yes we can? no, we can't. have you tried to coax the zoning committee, the environmental impact study, try putting that on the end. on the yes we can. america is seizing up.

i find the most obvious example in my book the tenure colin the ground in lower manhattan which would shame everyone of us here because destroying those buildings is something that america's enemies did to us. leaving a hole in the ground for a decade is something we did to ourselves. the empire state building, which was the tallest in the world back then was put up in 18 months during the depression. where is that spirit today? what can you do in 18 months today? at that hole in the ground in lower manhattan as profound and eloquent and what it is telling us about american sclerosis. and she is for global retreat. as britain, another great power has quickly learned the price of big government at home is an ever smaller presence abroad. first comes reorientation, the shrinking of the horizon. after in prior britain turned inward. between 1951 to 1997 the proportion of government expenditure on the defense fell

from 24% to 7% while the proportion of the health and welfare rose from 22% to 53%. and that's before tony blair's new labor government came around in 1997 to widen the gap even further. and i'm sure, you know, for that 53% welfare spending you saw what a bang for the buck they got in the scenes on your tv screens this last week. when they spent that within living memory the city in flames on a tv screens every night. the governed one-fifth of the earth's surface and a quarter of its population. it then invert its priorities and spend all that money on its nanny state charges at home with spectacular results you can see if you've made the mistake of booking a trip to historical london and the next six weeks. good luck with that.

that is the same trajectory every great power in parts upon in retreat because you can have the is the entitlement at home or a global reach a broad but not both. and you can see it already in our cities in libya. i don't know how many of you remember the lydia war. it was in all of the papers for about 48 hours. it's still going on out there apparently. it fell off of the radar screen. i believe it is in the guinness book of records for the quagmire, so there is that to be said for it. the president spent the first month of the war telling the american people you don't need to worry, we are not running the show we are just along for the ride. we don't go to the meetings. the point of the war is on the need to know basis and we don't need to know. it is a not a war it is a limited scope action. and they eventually announced so reluctant or the to have anything to do with the kinetic scope limited action they've limited the new supreme

commander of the limited scope action was general brochard, a canadian general. i'm a canadian. i didn't even know we still had generals. [laughter] but i said on fox news that week that as much as i like the idea of the canadian military commanders randomly invading the muslim nations -- [laughter] i am really feel it should have gone to a mexican general because -- [laughter] after all, president obama had pretty much spent the previous month insisting this is a job americans want to. [laughter] war is held it kinetic scope limited action is purgatory. putin and the kremlin, beijing, the new law in tirana, they are all enjoying this glimpse of the post american world in libya

right now. a world in which the global order of the last 60 years not only can't enforce its will but no longer makes any serious attempt to do so. they are looking forward to that. e is for engineering. and the archaeological homogeny the end of the social engineering of our system would be recorded as child abuse i think in any other age. aside from its defense it diverts americans into frivolous and productive activity while our competitors get on with the real work. in 1940 majority of the u.s. population had no more than a grade eight education. by 2008, 40% of the 18 to 24-year-olds who were enrolled in college or on track for the world in which the typical american is almost twice as old by the time he completes his education as he was in 1940. he spent over twice as long in the classroom and got twice as much attention from his school

mom because the people teacher ratio is half of what it was a century ago. education is the biggest single structural defect in the united states right now. no country needs to send a majority, never mind all as it is president obama's condition all of its children to college and no country should. because every child as the not to toot to benefit and not every child who has the up to two wants to go or needs to. and for most who live there, colleges a waste of time and money and life. they pretend to teach, slackers pretend to learn and they pretend it's an education. american individuals hold a trillion dollars just in kawlija debt. that's the equivalent of a g7 economy. just in one small boutique market of debt. you recall that for far she

ascended to the throne of the first lady, michelle obama worked for the university of chicago hospitals. she wasn't a nurse or a doctor, she wasn't even a janitor. she was taken on by the hospitals to run, quote, programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, staffed diversity and minority contracting. she was a diverse, booming industry in the elite america. in 2005 just as her husband was coming to the national prominence, by strange coincidence the happy coincidence with which the ruling class in chicago often blessed she received an impressive $200,000 pay raise and was appointed vice president for the community and external affairs in charge of managing the hospitals, business diversity program. this is obama famously complained that america is, quote, just downright mean. and you can see what she's

getting at. she has to make do with a lousy $316,962 plus benefits for a job so necessary to the hospital that when she quit to become first lady they didn't bother replacing her. [laughter] leave corporate america. that is what she boasted, yes, indeed, leave corporate america and get a job as a diversity in force that officer. that's where the big bucks are. go to the connecticut river to our neighbors in vermont and if you go to any vermont college and talked to the students, the ambition of most of them is to work for, quote, a nonprofit. it sounds nice, doesn't it? the entire state of vermont is a non-profit. [laughter] [applause] ben and jerry's used to sell a lot and before that they were bought by the anglo-dutch

multinational, why can't remember when, ben approved the deal and jerry didn't like it or jerry liked the deal and ben didn't, but the one who did like it said it fully independent subsidiary. it is safe something like that. and the other guy just get on with all the nonprofit stuff now. as of the entire state of vermont is a non-profit. so is america because when you were $15 trillion in your the champion of the nonprofit. president obama now wants the rest of america to follow in his and meshaal's footsteps. this is the diversion of the too much to the capitol in the wasteful and self indulgent activities. they don't do it in china, they don't do it in india and eventually those differences will fail which is the next letter. d is for decay because the government position is the rest

to be a recipe for disaster. much of the united states will be on the first track to a latin america where there is a privileged corrupt elite presiding over a vast swath of poverty. and that leads to the next state. d is for disintegration. we are becoming a highly cingular united states of america to get no advanced society has ever tried hyper regulatory direct rule for the 350 million people. will that work or is it more likely that increasingly incompatible jurisdictions and social groups will conclude that the price for keeping 50 stores on the flag is too high? post prosperity america is going to factor. i don't just mean all the ethnic lines where he will have millions of poor white americans and black americans on the one hand and millions of poor illegal americans on the other and there is no jobs for either. i just mean cultural tensions. it's not clear to me that when this country is no longer the

world's leading power that the malae of dearborn, with a call michiganistn will want to stay in the same as the fire island. they might decide the better off going it alone. but it's something more basic. if you take a retired federal bureaucrat in her early 50s, retired on a fantastic unsustainable pension benefits and health benefits, and enjoy the early years of what is in effect a 30 year holiday weekend, she lives at 26 helm street, the dalia 24 elm street went to the same school as hurt but he doesn't get the free year holiday weekend. he has to work of his hardware store every day until he drops dead to fund the lavish retirement benefits of the labor, and the retirement that he will never know. those two people cannot coexist in the same street anymore than they can in athens or london.

another cousin, as a young versus old what is left of the youth will be taxed to the hell to pay for the retirement and medical care of a baby boomer generation who enjoyed a life of american prosperity that their kids will never know. look at the flash models, look at the ramage of the wisconsin state fair and ask yourself whether there will be more or less of that in the post prosperity america. o as for open season. as it earlier if you find it hard to imagine a world without america the russians, the chinese and the mullahs don't and they are making plans for it. for 60 years the american security umbrella has absorbed the wealthiest nations on the planet comparing to their own defense. and they've gotten used to it. the united states army lives in germany pity if you like the german welfare system as many americans do, good for you. because you are paying for it. because you free up the german military budget so they could beat into the welfare checks. now we have decided -- we have decided we would like to live

like the belgians but without a sugar daddy to take care of us as we took care of europe. we live on a planet in which north korea is assisting the iranians and their delivery systems and the iranians are promising to share their nukes with sudan. north korea has an undetectable gdp. it doesn't just have a low gdp, it has a gdp that is not statistically measurable when you compare it with gabal. there is no gdp. the nuclear technology and the malkoff viagra. you cannot measure north korea's's gdp but it's a nuclear power. we face the prospect of a world in which the wealthiest societies in history from norway to new zealand are incapable of defending their borders while third world basket cases nuclear. how long do you think that arrangement is going to last? and on that kind of plan that it's not hard to figure out what comes next.

n is for nukes away. so just spelled out, letter by letter the faces of my book. a as for addiction, steel and as for redistribution, m as for monopoly, a as for arteriosclerosis, g as for global, e as for educational social engineering, d is 40k come d as for disintegration, o as for open season, n is for nukes away. put them all together, they spell a-r-m-a-g-e-d-d-o-n. [laughter] from state regulated lemonade sales to the nuclear devastation from fiscal ruin interplanetary ruin and if you don't want that to happen, you need to get serious and you need to demand your candidates get serious. it's not about putting john kerry on the congressional support committee to report back about raising the age of

medicare eligibility from 65 to 67 in the year 2015. there isn't going to be in 2015 if that is the best john kerry can do. the best he can do for america is to go and when the surf off nantucket and that yellow spandex. [applause] that we got a big cheer them the atoka will stick. [laughter] don't be cruel to john kerry. he thinks the yellow spandex does wonders for his figure. i think that he should win at nantucket until 2015 he's doing the least damage out there. let's not let him make land fall until 2015 and we might just get out of this thing. those of us on the receiving end of john kerry's genius need to understand that it's not about midcentury come it's about mid

decade it's about right now the united states is still different, you know this. in the wake of the economic meltdown, the decadent use of the firm's right of the most modest proposals to rim increase the retirement age. elderly students in britain attack the heir to the french car over the it tends to constrain bloated wasteful and pointless university costs. everywhere from iceland to bulgaria they besieged the parliament demanding the same thing why didn't you, the government do more for me. when millions of people took to the streets to tell the states i can do just fine if you control the status would shove your non-stimulating stimulus your jobless jobs bill and will tie trillion dollar funds and stay the hell out of my life and out of my pocket. [applause]

that's the america that has a supporting chance. even as america's spending government outspends not only america's ability to pay for it by some measures the planet's even if it follows britain into the transgender regional dependency and a field education system and unsustainable entitlements even if it makes less and less of the mortgages of the future to its rivals to the chinese trinkets most americans in putting far too many of my friends on the right to assume this simply because they are american their insulated from the consequences. i heard this from my friends on fox news last week when i said you couldn't seriously argue that we didn't deserve the downgrade. couldn't seriously argue that this nation was aaa with $15 trillion worth of debt. and my friends on fox news, the most right wing who dies and the

american media is that what you mean? of course we are aaa. we are better than aaa. we should have a quadrupled category just for us. these losers in the 18 countries in the aaa category. they are a loser nations. they can't compare with us. we need to understand. we are not aaa. when you are $15 trillion in debt you can't be aaa. when you have ten times that in unfunded liability you can't be aaa. cecil rhodes the great british imperialists, actually it was in on remarkable pleasant man but he did leave one -- i forgot where i was for a minute there. [laughter] - got to remember the tocqueville shtick gets a big chair in new hampshire the cecil rhodes it's a big cheer when you are in south africa. i have to remember. [laughter] i took the long assimilation bill. the deplorable british imperialist distilled the

assumptions of the generations when he said that to be born and englishmen was to bring first in the lottery of life. and on the eve of the great wall in his play heartbreak house the turned it around to taunt the ruling class smug and self observed to see what was happening. steve hinkle laws of god will be suspended in favor of england because you were born in it? and our time, to be born a citizen of the united states is to win first prize in the lottery of life. and as britain said, too many americans assume it will always be so. do you think the lobbies of god will be suspended in favor of america simply because you were born and it? think carefully about that question. when you live in the north country, when you live in a state where the weather spends six months of the year trying to throttle the life out of you, one thing you understand is the fragility of civilization.

back in the spring i was walking on an abandoned classics road behind my house with my boys one morning when we noticed a huge mother bear and the trees just off to the left and ahead of us we noticed one of little cub and behind us another little cub and we were in the middle. [laughter] and my boys were excited. and a little scared. and that's the way i feel as we embark on this critical half decade. i feel excited about a little scared. and i wonder if our society still has the survival instinct of that mother bear protecting her cubs. if you disagree, don't wait for the messiah to descend from the heavens on a tuesday morning in november. we tried that in 2008. ..

that deserves a chance. [applause] there should be nothing controversial. every time you see obama, go and give a speech and someone has taken the precaution of loading up some lame boilerplate into his prompter about how we need to get our fiscal house in order and we need to control the deficit. the only reason he is even attending to care about it is

because the meter of public discourse was moved in 2009 and 2010. he is the wrong person, being forced to pretend that he wants to do the right thing, that keeps changing the discourse until the wrong people are actually forced to do the right thing. milton friedman is right about that. when i first moved to new hampshire i carelessly assumed that the general staff had said live free or die before some battle. i thought it was a bit of red meat to rally the boys to the charge routine. and then i discovered that our state's great revolutionary hero had made his -- decades after the cessation of hostilities regretting that he would be unable to attend the dinner and in a strange way i found that even more impressive because in extreme circumstances many of us can arouse people to rediscover

the primal impulses in the way that the great man on flight 93 did. they took a routine commuter flight and when they realize it wasn't they wanted to general staff mode and cried let's roll. but it's harder to maintain that live free or die spirit when you are facing not an immediate crisis but a slow unceasing ratchet effect which is in stable societies unthreatened by revolution or poor within their orders, always the way liberty falls, traded away to the state, incrementally, painlessly, all but an perceptually. live free or die sounds like a battle cry to win this thing or we will die trying, die an honorable death but in fact it is a prosaic statement of the obvious, the reality of our lives in the prosperous west. you can live as free men but if you choose not to, your society will surely die. live free or die, it's new hampshire's choice, it's

america's choice, so make the right call because the fate of our world depends upon it. thank you very much indeed. [applause] [applause] [applause] for more information on mark steyn and his work, visit steyn on line.com. this week on "the communicators," senator ron wyden talks about antipiracy legislation in congress, including his own proposal to discourage counterfeiters and others from selling bad products or products that are not their own over the internet. >> host: well there are a couple of pieces of antipiracy

legislation working their way through the capitol hill process as we speak. the author of an alternative to that legislation is senator ron wyden a democrat of oregon who joins us on "the communicators." senator wyden first off, what are your issues with the protect and the sofa antipiracy legislative pieces? >> both of them are essentially using a bunker buster bomb which indeed is a laser beam. look, there is no question that there are are some bad actors. there are people who sell tainted or fake rolexes or movies they don't own and as far as i'm concerned you want to handcuff them, but he's done go way way beyond that and particularly they do a tremendous amount of damage to the architecture of the internet. basically what they do is turn

web sites into web cops. basically, you would have a web site trying to monitor enormous amounts of data. youtube alone gets 24 hours of content every second. it would be impossible to monitor. nobody really even tries except for the chinese and the iranians. >> host: saying that they go too far for you, what is your alternative proposal that u.n. representative darrell issa, republican of california, have proposed? >> guest: what we do is offer an approach that is built around the proposition that we are essentially dealing with international commerce here and we have got an agency that deals with physical goods, the international trade commission, and we think we use the same kinds of principles when we are dealing with the digital goods and those principles are essentially transparency, consistency and due process.

for example, there are hundreds of federal judges who are issuing opinions with respect to these issues. they widely diverge. you don't see that sort of thing at the international trade commission. >> host: and your act is the so-called open act, it cuts access to foreign rogue web sites engaging in counterfeiting. >> guest: when they engage in it willfully and then we take and follow the money approach, so that when you see something willfully engaging in these kinds of copyrights infringement practices you basically cut off the money, visa, paypal and thee law says you talk about, to restrict the rogue sites. how is that different from the sopa and their protect act? desk of the sopa and protect act, the essence of them is they start meddling with the domain name system and that is the fundamental architecture to the net. not only is it bad in terms of

social media and business opportunities and the like, it would do a whole lot of damage to our efforts to try to deal with cybersecurity. it everything our country is trying to do in cybersecurity is built around the current internet architecture and i think you are going to see substantial opposition, probably very soon, from the national security can community because we are hearing there is growing concern. >> host: we should also introduce hillboldt our guest reporter this week on "the communicators." >> guest: thanks peter. senator wyden you discussed your objection to have and sopa but we have also heard some very broad terms from civil libertarians, advocates and people concerned that this bill would lead to censorship and i believe you have cited some of those concerns. can you explain them please? >> guest: the two bills be on the question of damaging the domain name system, they really

do implement censorship regime and it could be as simple as a discussion. this language that is used here to kind of trigger the various efforts to deal with the content honors is incredibly broad. talks about facilitating copyright infringement. that could be practically anything. now i have to tell you, and people don't know this, i am kind of sympathetic with the content. my late father was a writer and author so all the time i got a web site and i could see his books quoted at great length, citing him in the authorship of his publications. that doesn't mean that i'm going to rush out and pursue a whole lot of approaches that particularly would start chipping away at the domain name system which is the fundamental architecture of the net. but what this it does, the

domain system and linking will damage a lot of the openness and what i think is the appeal to all. we have great concern about income inequality in this country. the internet is a place where you can do something about it. if you have a good idea, you can get it out around the world. >> guest: proponents of sopa have argued they are not asking for any type of censure ship but rather lost in the physical world to be property transferred on line. can you explain exactly why asking google, being or an another search provider deleting would constitute censorship in your view? >> guest: my view is we have to go after the willful infringers and we have outlined in "-open-quotes specifically how we would do that which is to cut off their money. if you try to get internet service providers search engines and others into the censorship is this there is no way it can

possibly work, and it would in my view, a lot of the innovation that we need in our country. it also is a policy we have projected now for 15 years, going back to the fight against smut and it was literally 15 years ago. it was clear and we were all horrified at some of the really ugly material that was getting into the hands of our kids. and at that time, the congress was just starting a debate on internet policy and there were two approaches offered. one was by the late senator exxon who tried to set up the censorship regime that you are describing. the other is the approach that i and former congressman chris cox offered on a bipartisan basis which looks at everything we can do, power, parents, the private sector, filters and other kinds of tools to weed out some of the horrible material and get that very young children otherwise, but let's not hold the

intermediary liable for some content that they presumably wouldn't have even known much about most of the time. and it's often said that the fact that we weren't holding intermediaries liable is what caused the growth of social media and a lot of these web sites over the last 15 years. there is a better way to go and 15 years starting the section in the communication decency act, the law that i wrote. we have a rejected that approach. >> guest: eshoo said google in particular has come under fire during this debate basically as a gatekeeper to the internet, the hearings. they were the only witnesses that testified against the sopa act in the house and they were really the target of criticism or law may curse you repeatedly reference their ability to find pirated content on the internet. why do you think google has specifically become sort of the target of this legislation and do you think that your colleagues in both a house in

the senate understand the nature of the search business well enough to make those sorts of determinations? >> guest: well obviously, the senate in the house are just getting familiar with these issues. copyright law, the digital millennium copyright act and the like, i guess you could say it's not on the lips of every single member of congress but this debate is really not in my view about the big powerful company. this is often trained as a debate between silicon valley and hollywood so this is not primarily by google and facebook. this is about whether we are going to have pro-innovation policy so that we will have future google and future facebook. when you look at these bills, you can take the fundamental proposition, the american dream, which people called to guys in the garage, you pass these bills and you are going to have perhaps two people in a garage but you are going to have a whole upstairs full of lawyers

telling them whether or not they can open a web site. that is not going to be good for an efficient. >> host: this is c-span's can make -- communicators program and we are speaking with senator ron wyden democrat of oregon about his will which is called the open at, enforcement of digital trade acts legislation and it is a different version of what we have been talking about, the sopa and the pipa or the protect act which are senate house bills and they are very similar. now, the stop on line privacy act sponsored by lamar smith who is chairman of the judiciary committee in the house, cuts access to foreign rogue web sites engaging in counterfeiting, uses the justice department and federal courts to restrict rogue sites, focuses on foreign sites and leaves existing law to block domestic sites engaging in and piracy. and advertisers and credit card companies must stop doing

business with rogue sites. senator wyden, the difference there seems to be your using the itc and senator smith, i'm sorry, representatives smith and senator leahy's bills would use the courts. what is a problem with using the courts? >> guest: first of all the single biggest difference between the two bills, both of them acknowledge that you are to go after the bad actors in copyright infringement. our approach, the open bill, does not involve censorship and it doesn't involve dismantling the domain name. we believe that so much of the growth in this country and our ability to innovate, social media types and the ability for oaks to communicate depends on the architecture of the internet being preserved and strengthened. that is what it is going to take to deal with cyberthreats and that is why the national security community is so concerned about the pipa bill and the sopa will and that is

the single biggest difference. yes we do think this is fundamentally a question of international commerce rather than narrow, legalistic issues that ought to be brought up in the judicial system but the single biggest difference is we do not dismantle, do not undo the fundamental dnf system, the architecture damage linking and that sort of thing and i also want viewers to know because we haven't talked about it, i put a public whole -- public hold on the senate bill in december of 2010. had it not done that it would have passed right at that time because people weren't aware. i have also put a public hold on to the senate bill that was passed late in the spring of this year. i made i've made it clear that i will filibuster with every ounce of my strength against this bill. i have not done that before, but i think this is very ill-advised

legislation, both from the standpoint of what it would do to innovation, what it would do to entrepreneurs, what it would do to small businesses and i think you will see growing concerns in national security. >> host: have there have been companies that have endorsed her legislation? >> guest: a number. certainly a number of the technology firms have been very interested. our bill is newer and that is one of the reasons why i hope that the senate schedule will not immediately go to pipa bill so we will have a chance to walk through with colleagues what our legislation is all about so a great deal of interest on our approach as well. it's a big bipartisan collection of representatives but they haven't had enough time to really walk the house through it and i hope, given the concern that has emerged over the last week or 10 days, we will get

that done. >> host: has google in the googles and dings of the world endorsed you? >> guest: largely. they sent a letter saying that they favor the approach and i am sure if you asked them at they will say they are looking at various details but again for viewers and listeners there is no debate here. the copyright infringement is a serious question. we have got a system for dealing with it now called notice and takedown digital millennium copyright act. it's not perfect. there are ways a witch on a bipartisan basis we can improve on it. that is what open legislation is all about that the big difference, the fundamental difference between our bill and the others is that we would not do all the damage to the architecture of the internet. we would not tamper with the domain name. our system would not start or censure ship or blacklisting program. we would not turn web sites into

web cops. >> host: just to make it clear that lamar smith the chairman of the house judiciary committee and the author of the sopa legislation has been invited on this program as well. gautham nagesh. >> guest: you refer to political support for your legislation. we saw it sought pass the committee, senate congress committee with bipartisan support and you threaten to filibuster. first of all do you believe that the bill as it now stands as a strong chance of passing the senate and secondly, can you speak to the support for the bill, very strong from the entertainment industry, the retail industry. do you think they can be convinced that the open act is the correct solution? >> guest: we know that we are up against one of the most sophisticated and savvy and powerful lobbyists in the united states. they have been added a long time. they have poured millions of dollars into their areas

lobbying and campaign efforts. frankly, we know that our -- is going to have to fight above their weight. is going to be a tough battle but if you look at what has happened in the last couple of weeks, certainly well over a million americans have signed petitions against these bills and people are coming to understand what some of these issues are all about. regrettably, some of our opponents have a long track record of defending outdated business models. essentially business as usual. not very long ago the head of the motion picture association said the dcr puts the music industry what the boston chandler was to home alone. that was just a preposterous kind of comment because the dcr did a tremendous amount of money for the movie industry. >> guest: we have seen a lot of heated retort from both sides

of the debate as you just reference but we have also seen an unprecedented level of public engagement and intellectual property issues, tumbler, wikipedia. we are seeing web companies really mobilize their users to voice opposition to both protect ip and sopa. what you think the public is so engaged in this and have you been hearing from the public lacks. >> guest: i have and i think it's fair to say that copyright and trademark issues, which historically would not exactly be household words, you would not have people talking about copyright law around the kitchen table. people really have followed this and they have followed it with roaming concern, because there is an awareness of the stakes. we had a big debate about network neutrality for example. this goes way beyond network neutrality and in fact this goes to the architecture of the internet and not just whether

one provider can go where you want when you want. this is a question of whether the name of dealing with a serious problem just like the challenge was with smut 15 years ago, are you going to do some bank smart that really goes in and attacks the problem with the laser beam or are you going to do something with an enormous amount of collateral damage? i think if these two bills, the alternative bill, sopa and pippa were passed in their former -- they would do a great deal of damage. >> host: chris dodd is the head of the motion picture association of america number of a different side of the issue a strongly in favor of sopa and pippa. have you talk with him about this legislation? >> guest: of course under the ethics laws, he is not allowed to communicate with legislators. i see him from time to time and

he always looks -- can't talk, can't talk and it's in a sense too bad because he has been a coalition builder in his years as his legislator and i think there is a real opportunity to try to bring those who have tech-savvy and content creators and say, let's try to come up with something that makes sense and are there products that do that? if you look at products like netflix and itunes, these services and the like, these are ones that show you can be successful and have innovation and content and that is the kind of thing that i would like to drive. >> host: what is it about oregon? several oregonians are very involved in tax -- tech issues, you, former senator smith head of the national association broadcasters, greg walden on the house site is a republican from oregon. >> guest: we are freedom folks. we like the first amendment, we like to be able to communicate.

be like today. we are pretty egalitarian. we like everyone to have a shot, not just the money interest. of course senator walden has a small radio station for quite some time with the family. senator smith is a broadcaster. i can tell you what happened in my case is when i became make united states senator in 1996, i said i'm going to do everything i can forward our traditional kind of industry but i said in addition to that, going to try to find some new opportunities for us to really lead and innovate and always kept coming back to technology. for example and now the chairman of the senate finance committee on international trade. i think the internet is the shipping lanes of the 21st century so lineberry can -- interested and anxious for example to promote the export of our digital goods. we have produced a bipartisan bill to do that as well. so if you look at the areas i

have focused on, offering the communications decency act, we withhold the intermediaries liable in libel and damage innovation, they rogue internet freedom bill. the digital signature law, which people who are viewing and listening often use when they are in effect finding real estate documents and now a group of us are involved in the y2k legislation. i have tried to look at policies that would ensure that we do no harm, which is why am concerned about sopa and pippa and the damage that could be done to the domain name system and then try to lay out a strategy for tapping some of the opportunities like digital trade. >> host: senator ron wyden democrat of oregon who is the author of the open act anti-piracy, thank you for being on "the communicators." up next someone who is in support of the sopa and put the

acts. you are joining us on the can indicators is sandra aistars the executive director of the copyright alliance. ms. aistars what is the copyright alliance and what bill are you supporting? >> thank you very having me, peter. it is a nonprofit educational and public interest organization that represents about 40 institutional members who represent individual artists and creators in the folks who support and invest in them. we also represent about 8000 individual artists and creators who are part of our one voice artist activist network. so, we like to say that we speak for the -- holder next-door. >> host: what antipiracy legislation are supporting? >> we are very much supporting the stop on line piracy act and they protect at that is pending in the house in the senate

respectively. >> host: why? >> guest: while the internet is critical for all of our members whether they are small businesses or artist or entrepreneurs across america but the promise of having a better connection with fans and better communication with consumers is steadily being eroded by criminal foreign web sites operating offshore and we are finding there's an entire underworld of sites that exist basically to market unlicensed, unregulated and unsafe products u.s. consumers and threatening not only artists and creators that legitimate businesses on line who are just riveting these. it really renders the work of many of our members economic we meaningless and so we are very much in support of the protect ip act because we think they offer targeted remedies that will be helpful in stemming some of the piracy that we see on the internet today. >> host: gautham nagesh with the hill.

jess thank you. sandra, there are many concerns with this bill but there are two that seems to appeal most broadly. one is a concern about undermining the security of the internet system and the second has to do with the free speech and concerned that giving the government the authority to shut down would lead to some form of censorship. those concerns considered by the copyright alliance and do you have any response. >> sure, they there are definitely concerned that we have considered and as you can well imagine artists and creators rely very heavily on freedom of speech and first amendment rights and especially for individual artists and creators it's very important to have a direct communication with fans. we would not back any bill that would infringe on that ability to have that sort of communication. in terms of the security arguments, there were some arguments that were raised with regard to the original version of the stop on line piracy act that largely went to the issue

of dns redirect and the managers amendment introduced by chairman smith really takes that off the table entirely, and i think it also goes, you know, a far way to come at in other concerns people might have about the domain system so the there is the construction included in the amendment that this allows the court from issuing an order that would harm the domain system and direct courts to modify orders before they are carried out by service providers and carrying out the original order from the court and that would have a detrimental impact. and also an interagency effort to make sure going forward that what we expect to be the case will in fact be the case and that there will be no impact of the bills remedies on the dns

system. >> guest: thank you. there has been a lot of talk about the coalition of support. we refer to your organization as representing the -- next-door but their influential organization supporting this bill from the major movie studios to the u.s. chamber of commerce to the afl-cio. to what do you credit this broad coalition of support for this legislation and why is the content community so much more effective at raising money and investing in the sort of legislative outreach then save it knowledge a community? >> i'm not sure that the content community is more effective in raising money and doing legislative outreach. we are actually a small nonprofit organization with only a handful of -- and folks in the office so i can't speak to the fundraising abilities but as for the coalition of support, think it's important to note that as you did, that the coalition includes big labor as well